[00:06] hey gremble [00:06] still awake buddy? [00:19] Up [00:19] Yup* [00:19] Watching Penny Dreadful and working through a haskell book [00:25] I'm trying to get scipy installed via docker. no luck sadly [00:27] How so? [00:27] the build is failing for some reason [00:28] Have you tried using anaconda instead? [00:29] I've got docker into my workflow now. I am a bit worried about standards in docker though [00:29] its like hit and miss [00:30] How so? [00:30] I have never worked with docker [00:31] well, you can either install it via the registry or on your own, but the registry creates a lot of bloat [00:32] docker will be easy for you gremble . your aptitude is high [00:33] I don't completely understand the docker usecase. If you are going to virtualise, why not just get a 'smaller' VPS? [00:33] docker is more a tool for development [00:34] containerizing your dev environment means that from dev to testing to production will be the same [00:34] so no hidden surprises when moving from dev to production servers [00:34] Ah okay, that makes sense [00:35] but getting the installs right is quite the clusterfuck [00:36] Haha. So no surprises unless you include the actual installation [00:38] the dockerfile is basically a bash script [00:38] but shit doesn't always work. I struggled with node install too [00:38] Haha. Write a better specification [00:38] :P [00:40] take a look : https://pastee.org/uxzc7 [00:45] Now where is it failing? [00:45] It looks simple enough [00:46] Although ipython[notebook] doesn't look like a valid name to me [00:46] it is a command to specify installing ipython with the notebook [00:47] You're also probably going to want doesn't it come with the notebook anyway? [00:47] nope [00:47] Oh [00:47] that command tells it to include notebook [00:47] You're also going to want to get scikit-learn I think? [00:47] I saw that. leme research it [00:48] It is for data mining and data analysis. The machine learning library [00:54] can you provide an explanation for its use? gremble [00:54] nope. I've just seen it's requirement in some machine learning contexts. Haven't worked with it yet [00:56] Possibly useful for the future, installing it [01:03] I'm going to hit the sack. See you around kulelu88 [01:03] peace gremble [05:43] morning all [05:45] Morning Kilos [05:45] hi there Trixar_za all good? [05:45] Yeah, working on something again :P [05:45] How about you? [05:46] im good ty [05:46] also working but on a hated thing [05:48] I'll tell you if I start hating it. It IS the kernel I'm compiling... :/ [05:48] lol [05:48] you cant hate that [05:49] i have an xp pc to sort for an old woman [05:49] sigh [05:49] At least it's not a Windows 10 PC [05:49] hahaha [05:50] i wont have one here with that eula [05:50] I've seen several reports that it might have spyware built-in [05:50] in eula you agree to give ms full access to pc data and mails [05:51] for security reasons of course [05:51] Yeah, which to them means they can use your webcam to take a picture of you and for them to dump your search history to their servers. [05:51] Among other things [05:51] yes [06:02] Guess, I need to start from mental scratch too [06:02] What do I want out of this :P [06:03] lol [06:03] what are you doing the kernel for? [06:08] Not just the kernel - a whole distro [06:09] oh my [06:17] It's a little pointless to create something that nobody will use because it lacks focus. [06:17] It's better that I decide now what it will be and then add to that. [06:18] ah [06:29] you're compiling an OS? [06:40] Yeah - I'm bored. Micro-Linux to be more exact. I want to use pacman as the package manager since Arch uses pretty optimized and bare minimum requirement packages. [06:56] meh, arch and their systemd shit [09:07] Good morning [09:08] hi gremble [09:08] How are you Kilos? [09:08] good ty and you? [09:08] I am well thank you [09:08] Do you know if Langjan's computer is working now? [09:09] nope nothing yet [09:46] *yawn* I hate being sick, it makes you tired [09:48] Being sick is vile [09:49] I'm kinda grateful it's over the weekend... I need to be well for work on Monday' [09:50] Maaz: tell kulelu88 Stuff like scipy is best installed via apt-get rather than pip [09:50] superfly: Okay, I'll tell kulelu88 on freenode [09:51] Why is that? [09:51] gremble: scipy is written in C [09:52] gremble: if you want to install it via pip you'll need all it's build dependencies [09:52] Maaz: tell kulelu88 also, use phusion/baseimage rather than Ubuntu [09:52] superfly: Got it, I'll tell kulelu88 on freenode [09:52] Isn't most of the CPython libraries built with C though? [09:53] gremble: CPython is written in C, yes, but most of the modules you can install via pip are written in Python [09:53] Oh alright [09:54] And pip basically downloads the source code (not 100%, but in a matter of sorts) [09:54] so if you download a package that is written in C, pip will compile it [09:55] TIL [09:58] in general, it is better to install a package than compile something, unless you have a specific reason or version needed [10:00] With python, I usually make a venv and install the packages that I need for whatever I'm doing in there with pip [10:00] some guys wrote a thing called virtualenv which will create a virtual python environment [10:00] gremble: yes, that's the right way to do it [10:01] (slow typing due to daughter on lap) [10:01] With haskell, it is cabal or stack. I still have no idea how to do something similar with C/C++ [10:42] hi Kilos [10:42] its me connecting from grannys [10:43] ohi linda [10:43] langjan [10:44] mooi man [10:44] hi howzit kil [10:44] KIL [10:44] So the laptop works now? [10:44] yes at lasdt [10:44] last [10:44] Good. I am glad [10:45] thks gremble [10:45] everything set up nicely except email [10:46] I exported thunderbird profile in win 7 to backups but cannot import [10:46] well done linda [10:47] but I used import/export tools so I should first install those here I presume [10:47] thkskil [10:47] Kilos, [10:48] lol [10:48] lmga [10:48] outannie praat lelik ne [10:48] type three letters and hit tab [10:48] Kilos, [10:48] ja lyk my jy het haar geleer [10:48] I hit and miss then hit caps lock or something [10:49] lol [10:49] shes not here [10:49] have you remove 7 [10:49] I still need to ease her into linux [10:49] no but it was wiped [10:49] wiped? [10:50] well after installing ubuntu its gone, used the whole disc in the end [10:50] oh ok [10:50] pity [10:51] but better in the long run [10:51] we agreed if she cannot adapt we will put win 7 back [10:51] ok [10:51] just teach her slowly [10:51] now I just need to get her mails back [10:51] setup everything for her [10:51] ok chat later [10:51] and we always here for help [10:51] ok then [10:51] already done that except for the emals [10:52] chow for now [10:52] put in shortcuts for everyting [10:52] good [10:52] bye now [11:09] good afternoon [11:09] Good afternoon magespawn [11:10] hi gremble [11:12] How are you on this rather hot sunday? [11:12] just domestic maintenance [11:12] washing in this case [11:13] hi magespawn [11:13] hey Kilos, iwas starting to wonder if you had passed along the greater bot to somemone else [11:16] also busy recovering data off a hard drive [11:39] lol [11:39] busy trying to sort an office prob on xp [11:44] Hi guys, old man nuisance again... [11:44] hi Langjan [11:44] is there an expert in importing win 7 profile into thunderbird? [11:44] hi Kilos [11:44] eeek [11:45] tried google, does'nt work, must be doing something silly [11:46] http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_from_Windows_to_Linux though it looks very outdated. [11:47] http://askubuntu.com/questions/84996/migrating-thunderbird-profile-from-windows-7-to-ubuntu [11:55] Thks Kilos , I've been there. I have the vdnchczf.Default User-20150813-1740 file which I saved from Win 7. Then I copied the file contents to a .thunderbird folder and used profile manager to create a new profile, does'nt work. === magespawn_ is now known as magespawn [11:56] you need someone clever Langjan [11:57] i had to ask inetpro to help me sort my thunderbird [11:57] thats why I asked you [11:57] lolol [11:57] serious [11:57] yeah i get help lots [11:57] ek dom jong [11:58] dis die ouderdom, die ouder is niks, dis die dom wat 'n bogger is [11:58] ja ek stem heeltemaal [11:58] have we used inetpro 's time up? [11:59] and patience [11:59] he will be here this evening or tonight [11:59] but sometimes drops in early [11:59] I see him [12:00] sy ore tuit seker oor ons skinder [12:00] he always shows as here because he has work pc and fone and laptop all connected to here [12:00] ok so the waiting game [12:00] he is even here when on holiday [12:00] hehe [12:00] yeah [12:01] ok i'll be back early evening [12:01] ok [12:01] Does anyone here know why I would have a hard drive running at 95% on idle? [12:02] take good care [12:02] you too Langjan [12:02] thks Kilos [12:19] whats up there? [12:21] gremble: something going on in the back ground there [12:21] Yes. It is some internal network thing from windows. I want to put the laptop in the microwave to fix it [12:22] Kilos: tell Langjan to install Thunderbird on Windows first, import all mail data there, it should offer the option on installation, then take that file across to the thunderbird on linux [12:22] aha ty magespawn [12:23] i am assuming that is what he wants done [12:23] gremble: what does task manager or resource monitor show? [12:24] svchost [12:24] I fixed the issue at hand and handed it back. I think it may be the win10 download [13:50] hmm i hear that is about 3Gigs gremble [13:51] i have not opted for it yet on any of the work computers, i am wainting for them to sort out the various glitches [13:56] Maaz: tell Langjan DIY: Back up and migrate a Thunderbird profile and folders http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/diy-it-guy/diy-back-up-and-migrate-a-thunderbird-profile-and-folders/ [13:56] inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Langjan on freenode [13:57] good afternoon [13:59] Between the glitch that is win8, I don't think it would be so bad. [14:00] Hey inetpro [14:00] hi gremble [14:03] hi inetpro [14:23] heh magespawn [14:23] MaNI: wb [14:24] south africa in trouble against NZ? [14:24] thanks [14:30] hi inetpro [14:44] goeiedag oom Kilos [14:44] gaan dit goed boetie? [14:45] hang af [14:45] ek het net wakker geword [14:45] van wat? [14:45] of ons gaan wen of nie [14:45] o die krieket [14:45] yebo [14:46] T20 is altyd baie interessant [14:46] ek nie tyd nie vir dit maar het gisteraand saam my meisies rugby gekyk [14:46] ou tannies maak my moeg [14:47] veral dit wat geheg is aan xp [14:47] Required RR 12.50 [14:47] sjoe [14:47] sal moet wild slaan [14:48] New Zealand 177/7 (20/20 ov) - South Africa 105/4 (14.2/20 ov) [14:48] ek het nou net aan gesit [14:49] eish! [14:49] hehe [14:51] Behardien shapes for a slog sweep, hits rather well but straight down the gullet of deep midwicket and OUT [14:51] shame [14:53] ai! [14:53] ai! [14:53] sit af oom [14:53] bad luck as jy aansit [14:54] haqhahaha [14:55] daarsy, af gesit maar birtjie laat dink ek [14:55] bietjie [14:59] nee man, ek grap net oom :-) [16:15] lol [16:18] superfly: what is the monkey patch for in ibid's types? sqlite_visit_IBID_VARCHAR throws a type error that I am trying to resolve [16:19] maybe you can ask tumbles too gremble [16:20] dunno where he is right now [16:20] maybe 9am there [16:21] tumbleweed: what is the monkey patch for in ibid's types.py? sqlite_visit_VARCHAR throws a type error that I am trying to resolve [16:21] thanks Kilos. I should probably look at who contributed to that specific piece P [16:21] :P [16:21] ah [16:38] gremble: sorry, can't remember [16:39] Thanks :P [16:39] I'll just fiddle until something breaks [16:39] Else breaks [16:52] gremble: show me the error? [16:53] Kilos: tumbleweed is in Germany at the moment [16:55] ah ty superfly so same time zone as uss then [16:56] yes [16:56] hi tumbleweed [16:56] but he'll be busy during the day [16:56] ah ty for that [16:58] superfly: sec, trying to pipe it into a paste [17:01] superfly: hastebin.com/rejiriqo.vhdl [17:02] gremble: that didn't seem to work :-/ [17:03] superfly: try it now? http://hastebin.com/rejihuriqo.vhdl [17:03] I missed the h [17:03] :P [17:04] ah [17:05] version of sqlalchemy? [17:05] Newest, 1.9 I think. Let me check [17:05] 0.9? [17:05] 1.0? [17:06] Ha 1 [17:06] sorry [17:07] try downgrading to 0.6 [17:07] ibid's last commit was in 2013 [17:08] No, I am trying to not do that haha. I want to try and fix it :P [17:08] ah [17:08] So I know it gets an error [17:08] I want to try and figure out what the code does that is causing the error [17:08] sorry, a bit distracted, got 3 kids in the study with me [17:08] No worries [17:21] hi Kilos [17:21] Langjan: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell Langjan DIY: Back up and migrate a Thunderbird profile and folders http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/diy-it-guy/diy-back-up-and-migrate-a-thunderbird-profile-and-folders/" 3 hours, 24 minutes and 22 seconds ago [17:21] hi Langjan [17:21] hope that helps you [17:21] I see the message from inetpro , will give it a go thks [17:21] pro a handy guy to have around [17:27] Thats exactly the site and system that I tried, did not work but let me give it another go [17:49] inetpro, thks for the link. Its unclear for me how to create and name the file that I need to paste the contents of the backup profile into [17:52] oom Langjan, it's not just a single file, it is a folder with many files and folders in it [17:54] back in the day Mozilla wrote it's browser and email system specifically so it would be system independant [17:55] you just transfer the whole profile from one to the other and continue working, as simple as that [17:56] you just need to transfer the correct folder [17:57] and obviously you need to setup the profile so it knows where to find the files [17:58] hi inetpro , yes that make sense, I have a backed up folder vdnchczf.Default User-20150813-1740, contents 1,4GB, where do I paste the contents to? [17:58] just create a new folder and plonk it in there [17:58] named anything? [17:59] anythingYouWantAsLongAsYouKnowWhereToFindIt [18:00] ok [18:01] then run thunderbird -p ? [18:02] yep [18:09] inetpro, sorry but I am getting derailed somewhere, its not working [18:11] did you do this step? http://tr1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2015/05/07/523357cc-f482-11e4-940f-14feb5cc3d2a/create_profile.png [18:11] morespecifically, did you choose the right folder there ^^ ? [18:14] Do I fill in the name I gave the folder where it says "default user"? [18:15] you can call it AnythingYouWantItIsJustADescription [18:16] it is just a description or a name of a profile [18:16] in other words, you can have multiple users on the same system [18:17] not very practical but you can [18:17] That makes sense but not what I need [18:18] just call it something else other than default and then set it as default [18:19] superfly: I managed to install numpy, scipy, scikit-learn, pandas, etc via pip using docker. not sure it works yet though. you are right though, apt-get is better, although the issue is that 14.04 packages for ubuntu are generally outdated [18:20] well, set the new profile to "Use the selected profile without asking at startup" [18:20] kulelu88: Yep, which is why I generally install what is OK from the repositories and then create a virtualenv and use that for the rest [18:20] what doI type in by "default user"? [18:21] ai! [18:21] kulelu88: virtualenv venv --system-site-packages [18:21] superfly: want to see my dockerfile? My end-result image is: 1.2GB in size [18:21] Langjan: 08/16 20:18:40 just call it something else other than default... [18:21] kulelu88: I saw the one you posted earlier, is it the same? [18:23] partially modified. take a look: https://pastee.org/xy6ja ... <--- superfly [18:23] there was a scipy compilation failure because the fortran compiler was missing :D [18:23] then "choose folder" select the one given the same name? [18:24] kulelu88: you don't need the "sudo" unless you're running as a specific user. By default the user is root [18:24] Langjan: the naming can be as different as you want [18:25] superfly: is my 1.2GB image the result of not cleaning up unnecessary libs? [18:25] Langjan: the important bit is that you map the folder to a profile name [18:25] or you can keep it the same if you want [18:29] Its not working, I have no idea what it means to "map the folder" - sorry but my ineptitude is understandably irritating you and frustrating me endlessly [18:29] hmm... [18:30] inetpro: screenshot [18:31] Langjan: go to the cli and paste the following output at http://bin.snyman.info/ [18:31] $ cat ~/.thunderbird/profiles.ini [18:31] excluding "$" [18:32] oh and oom Langjan, I'm not really irritated [18:33] ok, sorry [18:33] :-) [18:34] no such file in directory [18:35] hmm... [18:35] oom Langjan . Open the File Manager and look for a folder called ".thunderbird" [18:36] this should be in your HOME directory [18:36] I have deleted .thunderbird in lieu of a new file...? [18:36] Langjan: did you click Finish at the end? [18:36] yes [18:37] and then Exit? [18:38] kulelu88: depends on what the size of your base image is [18:38] I get to the point where it says start thunderbird, then it starts with a blank profile [18:38] Langjan: ls -l ~/.thunderbird/profiles.ini [18:38] superfly: the base is about 200MB [18:39] wow [18:40] superfly: getting it installed, got me thinking about how there is no decent standard for docker images. [18:40] the hub has such random stuff in it [18:40] ls: cannot access /home/lindaetc.... no such file in directory [18:40] must I start thunderbird firsts o it creates a .thunderbird file? [18:41] Langjan: did you login as lindaetc.... ? [18:41] no, just took a short cut, sorry [18:41] kulelu88: yeah, I generally look for the most official looking stuff. they do now have "Official Images" but it doesn't really help much [18:42] Langjan: please provide the exact output of the command [18:42] superfly: the reason why I dislike the official images is because there is a lot of duplication in them [18:42] ok coming up [18:44] ls: cannot access /home/linda/.thunderbird/profiles.ini: No such file in directory [18:44] the file obviously isn't there [18:45] ok... try starting thunderbird with a dummy profile [18:45] ok [18:45] I just wanted to make sure I;m not making the wrong assumptions [18:45] for a moment I thought you're having another issue [18:46] ok opened tbird [18:46] sorry for being painful [18:46] sorry the old man is so inept [18:47] close it and see whether it has created a folder called ".thunderbird" [18:47] the dot in front makes it a hidden folder [18:47] yes [18:48] its there [18:48] and its where I was derailed, obviously [18:48] now there should be a file called profiles.ini inside that [18:49] yes [18:49] ok, go through that other process again [18:49] ok [18:49] * inetpro hasn't done this for a very long time [18:50] the one starting with cat? [18:50] no [18:50] http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/diy-it-guy/diy-back-up-and-migrate-a-thunderbird-profile-and-folders/ [18:51] thunderbird -p [18:52] backing up a thunderbird profile should be the same as a firefox 1 [18:54] must I delete the default profile thats in there first? [18:54] Langjan: no [18:54] not necessary [18:54] kulelu88: only difference is that firefox creates it's profiles in a folder ~/.mozilla and Thinderbird in ~/.thunderbird/ [18:55] must I click on "create profile"? [18:55]