[00:06] <kulelu88> hey gremble 
[00:06] <kulelu88> still awake buddy?
[00:19] <gremble> Up
[00:19] <gremble> Yup*
[00:19] <gremble> Watching Penny Dreadful and working through a haskell book
[00:25] <kulelu88> I'm trying to get scipy installed via docker. no luck sadly
[00:27] <gremble> How so? 
[00:27] <kulelu88> the build is failing for some reason
[00:28] <gremble> Have you tried using anaconda instead?
[00:29] <kulelu88> I've got docker into my workflow now. I am a bit worried about standards in docker though
[00:29] <kulelu88> its like hit and miss
[00:30] <gremble> How so?
[00:30] <gremble> I have never worked with docker
[00:31] <kulelu88> well, you can either install it via the registry or on your own, but the registry creates a lot of bloat
[00:32] <kulelu88> docker will be easy for you gremble . your aptitude is high
[00:33] <gremble> I don't completely understand the docker usecase. If you are going to virtualise, why not just get a 'smaller' VPS?
[00:33] <kulelu88> docker is more a tool for development
[00:34] <kulelu88> containerizing your dev environment means that from dev to testing to production will be the same
[00:34] <kulelu88> so no hidden surprises when moving from dev to production servers
[00:34] <gremble> Ah okay, that makes sense
[00:35] <kulelu88> but getting the installs right is quite the clusterfuck
[00:36] <gremble> Haha. So no surprises unless you include the actual installation
[00:38] <kulelu88> the dockerfile is basically a bash script
[00:38] <kulelu88> but shit doesn't always work. I struggled with node install too
[00:38] <gremble> Haha. Write a better specification
[00:38] <gremble> :P
[00:40] <kulelu88> take a look : https://pastee.org/uxzc7
[00:45] <gremble> Now where is it failing?
[00:45] <gremble> It looks simple enough
[00:46] <gremble> Although ipython[notebook] doesn't look like a valid name to me
[00:46] <kulelu88> it is a command to specify installing ipython with the notebook
[00:47] <gremble> You're also probably going to want doesn't it come with the notebook anyway?
[00:47] <kulelu88> nope
[00:47] <gremble> Oh
[00:47] <kulelu88> that command tells it to include notebook
[00:47] <gremble> You're also going to want to get scikit-learn I think?
[00:47] <kulelu88> I saw that. leme research it
[00:48] <gremble> It is for data mining and data analysis. The machine learning library
[00:54] <kulelu88> can you provide an explanation for its use? gremble 
[00:54] <gremble> nope. I've just seen it's requirement in some machine learning contexts. Haven't worked with it yet
[00:56] <kulelu88> Possibly useful for the future, installing it
[01:03] <gremble> I'm going to hit the sack. See you around kulelu88 
[01:03] <kulelu88> peace gremble 
[05:43] <Kilos> morning all
[05:45] <Trixar_za> Morning Kilos
[05:45] <Kilos> hi there Trixar_za all good?
[05:45] <Trixar_za> Yeah, working on something again :P
[05:45] <Trixar_za> How about you?
[05:46] <Kilos> im good ty
[05:46] <Kilos> also working but on a hated thing
[05:48] <Trixar_za> I'll tell you if I start hating it. It IS the kernel I'm compiling... :/
[05:48] <Kilos> lol
[05:48] <Kilos> you cant hate that
[05:49] <Kilos> i have an xp pc to sort for an old woman
[05:49] <Kilos> sigh
[05:49] <Trixar_za> At least it's not a Windows 10 PC
[05:49] <Kilos> hahaha
[05:50] <Kilos> i wont have one here with that eula
[05:50] <Trixar_za> I've seen several reports that it might have spyware built-in
[05:50] <Kilos> in eula you agree to give ms full access to pc data and mails
[05:51] <Kilos> for security reasons of course
[05:51] <Trixar_za> Yeah, which to them means they can use your webcam to take a picture of you and for them to dump your search history to their servers.
[05:51] <Trixar_za> Among other things
[05:51] <Kilos> yes
[06:02] <Trixar_za> Guess, I need to start from mental scratch too
[06:02] <Trixar_za> What do I want out of this :P
[06:03] <Kilos> lol
[06:03] <Kilos> what are you doing the kernel for?
[06:08] <Trixar_za> Not just the kernel - a whole distro
[06:09] <Kilos> oh my
[06:17] <Trixar_za> It's a little pointless to create something that nobody will use because it lacks focus.
[06:17] <Trixar_za> It's better that I decide now what it will be and then add to that.
[06:18] <Kilos> ah
[06:29] <kulelu88> you're compiling an OS?
[06:40] <Trixar_za> Yeah - I'm bored. Micro-Linux to be more exact. I want to use pacman as the package manager since Arch uses pretty optimized and bare minimum requirement packages.
[06:56] <kulelu88> meh, arch and their systemd shit
[09:07] <gremble> Good morning
[09:08] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[09:08] <gremble> How are you Kilos?
[09:08] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[09:08] <gremble> I am well thank you
[09:08] <gremble> Do you know if Langjan's computer is working now?
[09:09] <Kilos> nope nothing yet
[09:46] <superfly> *yawn* I hate being sick, it makes you tired
[09:48] <gremble> Being sick is vile
[09:49] <superfly> I'm kinda grateful it's over the weekend... I need to be well for work on Monday'
[09:50] <superfly> Maaz: tell kulelu88 Stuff like scipy is best installed via apt-get rather than pip
[09:50] <Maaz> superfly: Okay, I'll tell kulelu88 on freenode
[09:51] <gremble> Why is that?
[09:51] <superfly> gremble: scipy is written in C
[09:52] <superfly> gremble: if you want to install it via pip you'll need all it's build dependencies
[09:52] <superfly> Maaz: tell kulelu88 also, use phusion/baseimage rather than Ubuntu
[09:52] <Maaz> superfly: Got it, I'll tell kulelu88 on freenode
[09:52] <gremble> Isn't most of the CPython libraries built with C though?
[09:53] <superfly> gremble: CPython is written in C, yes, but most of the modules you can install via pip are written in Python
[09:53] <gremble> Oh alright
[09:54] <superfly> And pip basically downloads the source code (not 100%, but in a matter of sorts)
[09:54] <superfly> so if you download a package that is written in C, pip will compile it
[09:55] <gremble> TIL
[09:58] <superfly> in general, it is better to install a package than compile something, unless you have a specific reason or version needed
[10:00] <gremble> With python, I usually make a venv and install the packages that I need for whatever I'm doing in there with pip
[10:00] <superfly> some guys wrote a thing called virtualenv which will create a virtual python environment
[10:00] <superfly> gremble: yes, that's the right way to do it
[10:01] <superfly> (slow typing due to daughter on lap)
[10:01] <gremble> With haskell, it is cabal or stack. I still have no idea how to do something similar with C/C++
[10:42] <linda> hi Kilos 
[10:42] <linda> its me connecting from grannys 
[10:43] <Kilos> ohi linda 
[10:43] <linda> langjan
[10:44] <Kilos> mooi man
[10:44] <linda> hi howzit kil
[10:44] <linda> KIL
[10:44] <gremble> So the laptop works now?
[10:44] <linda> yes at lasdt
[10:44] <linda> last
[10:44] <gremble> Good. I am glad
[10:45] <linda> thks gremble 
[10:45] <linda> everything set up nicely except email
[10:46] <linda> I exported thunderbird profile in win 7 to backups but cannot import
[10:46] <Kilos> well done linda 
[10:47] <linda> but I used import/export tools so I should first install those here I presume
[10:47] <linda> thkskil
[10:47] <linda> Kilos, 
[10:48] <Kilos> lol
[10:48] <linda> lmga
[10:48] <linda> outannie praat lelik ne
[10:48] <Kilos> type three letters and hit tab
[10:48] <linda> Kilos, 
[10:48] <Kilos> ja lyk my jy het haar geleer
[10:48] <linda> I hit and miss then hit caps lock or something
[10:49] <Kilos> lol
[10:49] <linda> shes not here
[10:49] <Kilos> have you remove 7
[10:49] <linda> I still need to ease her  into linux
[10:49] <linda> no but it was wiped
[10:49] <Kilos> wiped?
[10:50] <linda> well after installing ubuntu its gone, used the whole disc in the end
[10:50] <Kilos> oh ok
[10:50] <Kilos> pity
[10:51] <Kilos> but better in the long run
[10:51] <linda> we agreed if she cannot adapt we will put win 7 back
[10:51] <Kilos> ok
[10:51] <Kilos> just teach her slowly
[10:51] <linda> now I just need to get her mails back
[10:51] <Kilos> setup everything for her
[10:51] <linda> ok chat later
[10:51] <Kilos> and we always here for help
[10:51] <Kilos> ok then
[10:51] <linda> already done that except for the emals
[10:52] <Kilos> chow for now
[10:52] <linda> put in shortcuts for everyting
[10:52] <Kilos> good
[10:52] <linda> bye now
[11:09] <magespawn> good afternoon
[11:09] <gremble> Good afternoon magespawn 
[11:10] <magespawn> hi gremble 
[11:12] <gremble> How are you on this rather hot sunday?
[11:12] <magespawn> just domestic maintenance
[11:12] <magespawn> washing in this case
[11:13] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[11:13] <magespawn> hey Kilos, iwas starting to wonder if you had passed along the greater bot to somemone else
[11:16] <magespawn>  also busy recovering data off a hard drive
[11:39] <Kilos> lol
[11:39] <Kilos> busy trying to sort an office prob on xp
[11:44] <Langjan> Hi guys, old man nuisance again...
[11:44] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[11:44] <Langjan> is there an expert in importing win 7 profile into thunderbird? 
[11:44] <Langjan> hi Kilos 
[11:44] <Kilos> eeek
[11:45] <Langjan> tried google, does'nt work, must be doing something silly
[11:46] <DalekSec> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_from_Windows_to_Linux though it looks very outdated.
[11:47] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/84996/migrating-thunderbird-profile-from-windows-7-to-ubuntu
[11:55] <Langjan> Thks Kilos , I've been there. I have the vdnchczf.Default User-20150813-1740 file which I saved from Win 7. Then I copied the file contents to a .thunderbird folder and used profile manager to create a new profile, does'nt work. 
[11:56] <Kilos> you need someone clever Langjan 
[11:57] <Kilos> i had to ask inetpro to help me sort my thunderbird
[11:57] <Langjan> thats why I asked you
[11:57] <Kilos> lolol
[11:57] <Langjan> serious
[11:57] <Kilos> yeah i get help lots 
[11:57] <Kilos> ek dom jong
[11:58] <Langjan> dis die ouderdom, die ouder is niks, dis die dom wat 'n bogger is
[11:58] <Kilos> ja ek stem heeltemaal
[11:58] <Langjan> have we used inetpro 's time up?
[11:59] <Langjan> and patience
[11:59] <Kilos> he will be here this evening or tonight
[11:59] <Kilos> but sometimes drops in early
[11:59] <Langjan> I see him
[12:00] <Langjan> sy ore tuit seker oor ons skinder
[12:00] <Kilos> he always shows as here because he has work pc and fone and laptop all connected to here
[12:00] <Langjan> ok so the waiting game
[12:00] <Kilos> he is even here when on holiday
[12:00] <Kilos> hehe
[12:00] <Kilos> yeah
[12:01] <Langjan> ok i'll be back early evening
[12:01] <Kilos> ok
[12:01] <gremble> Does anyone here know why I would have a hard drive running at 95% on idle?
[12:02] <Langjan> take good care
[12:02] <Kilos> you too Langjan 
[12:02] <Langjan> thks Kilos 
[12:19] <magespawn> whats up there?
[12:21] <magespawn> gremble: something going on in the back ground there
[12:21] <gremble> Yes. It is some internal network thing from windows. I want to put the laptop in the microwave to fix it
[12:22] <magespawn> Kilos: tell Langjan to install Thunderbird on Windows first, import all mail data there, it should offer the option on installation, then take that file across to the thunderbird on linux
[12:22] <Kilos> aha ty magespawn 
[12:23] <magespawn> i am assuming that is what he wants done
[12:23] <magespawn> gremble: what does task manager or resource monitor show?
[12:24] <gremble> svchost
[12:24] <gremble> I fixed the issue at hand and handed it back. I think it may be the win10 download
[13:50] <magespawn> hmm i hear that is about 3Gigs gremble 
[13:51] <magespawn> i have not opted for it yet on any of the work computers, i am wainting for them to sort out the various glitches
[13:56] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Langjan DIY: Back up and migrate a Thunderbird profile and folders http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/diy-it-guy/diy-back-up-and-migrate-a-thunderbird-profile-and-folders/
[13:56] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[13:57] <inetpro> good afternoon
[13:59] <gremble> Between the glitch that is win8, I don't think it would be so bad. 
[14:00] <gremble> Hey inetpro 
[14:00] <inetpro> hi gremble
[14:03] <magespawn> hi inetpro 
[14:23] <inetpro> heh magespawn
[14:23] <inetpro> MaNI: wb
[14:24] <inetpro> south africa in trouble against NZ?
[14:24] <MaNI> thanks
[14:30] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[14:44] <inetpro> goeiedag oom Kilos
[14:44] <Kilos> gaan dit goed boetie?
[14:45] <inetpro> hang af
[14:45] <Kilos> ek het net wakker geword
[14:45] <Kilos> van wat?
[14:45] <inetpro> of ons gaan wen of nie
[14:45] <Kilos> o die krieket
[14:45] <inetpro> yebo
[14:46] <inetpro> T20 is altyd baie interessant
[14:46] <Kilos> ek nie tyd nie vir dit maar het gisteraand saam my meisies rugby gekyk
[14:46] <Kilos> ou tannies maak my moeg
[14:47] <Kilos> veral dit wat geheg is aan xp
[14:47] <inetpro> Required RR 12.50
[14:47] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:47] <Kilos> sal moet wild slaan
[14:48] <inetpro> New Zealand 177/7 (20/20 ov) - South Africa 105/4 (14.2/20 ov)
[14:48] <Kilos> ek het nou net aan gesit
[14:49] <inetpro> eish!
[14:49] <Kilos> hehe
[14:51] <inetpro> Behardien shapes for a slog sweep, hits rather well but straight down the gullet of deep midwicket and OUT
[14:51] <inetpro> shame
[14:53] <Kilos> ai!
[14:53] <inetpro> ai!
[14:53] <inetpro> sit af oom
[14:53] <inetpro> bad luck as jy aansit
[14:54] <Kilos> haqhahaha
[14:55] <Kilos> daarsy, af gesit maar birtjie laat dink ek
[14:55] <Kilos> bietjie
[14:59] <inetpro> nee man, ek grap net oom :-)
[16:15] <Kilos> lol
[16:18] <gremble> superfly: what is the monkey patch for in ibid's types? sqlite_visit_IBID_VARCHAR throws a type error that I am trying to resolve
[16:19] <Kilos> maybe you can ask tumbles too gremble 
[16:20] <Kilos> dunno where he is right now
[16:20] <Kilos> maybe 9am there
[16:21] <gremble> tumbleweed: what is the monkey patch for in ibid's types.py? sqlite_visit_VARCHAR throws a type error that I am trying to resolve
[16:21] <gremble> thanks Kilos. I should probably look at who contributed to that specific piece P
[16:21] <gremble> :P
[16:21] <Kilos> ah
[16:38] <tumbleweed> gremble: sorry, can't remember
[16:39] <gremble> Thanks :P
[16:39] <gremble> I'll just fiddle until something breaks
[16:39] <gremble> Else breaks
[16:52] <superfly> gremble: show me the error?
[16:53] <superfly> Kilos: tumbleweed is in Germany at the moment
[16:55] <Kilos> ah ty superfly so same time zone as uss then
[16:56] <superfly> yes
[16:56] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed 
[16:56] <superfly> but he'll be busy during the day
[16:56] <Kilos> ah ty for that
[16:58] <gremble> superfly: sec, trying to pipe it into a paste
[17:01] <gremble> superfly: hastebin.com/rejiriqo.vhdl
[17:02] <superfly> gremble: that didn't seem to work :-/
[17:03] <gremble> superfly: try it now? http://hastebin.com/rejihuriqo.vhdl
[17:03] <gremble> I missed the h
[17:03] <gremble> :P
[17:04] <superfly> ah
[17:05] <superfly> version of sqlalchemy?
[17:05] <gremble> Newest, 1.9 I think. Let me check
[17:05] <superfly> 0.9?
[17:05] <superfly> 1.0?
[17:06] <gremble> Ha 1
[17:06] <gremble> sorry
[17:07] <superfly> try downgrading to 0.6
[17:07] <superfly> ibid's last commit was in 2013
[17:08] <gremble> No, I am trying to not do that haha. I want to try and fix it :P
[17:08] <superfly> ah
[17:08] <gremble> So I know it gets an error
[17:08] <gremble> I want to try and figure out what the code does that is causing the error
[17:08] <superfly> sorry, a bit distracted, got 3 kids in the study with me
[17:08] <gremble> No worries
[17:21] <Langjan> hi Kilos 
[17:21] <Maaz> Langjan: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell Langjan DIY: Back up and migrate a Thunderbird profile and folders http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/diy-it-guy/diy-back-up-and-migrate-a-thunderbird-profile-and-folders/" 3 hours, 24 minutes and 22 seconds ago
[17:21] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[17:21] <Kilos> hope that helps you
[17:21] <Langjan> I see the message from inetpro , will give it a go thks
[17:21] <Kilos> pro a handy guy to have around
[17:27] <Langjan> Thats exactly the site and system that I tried, did not work but let me give it another go
[17:49] <Langjan> inetpro, thks for the link. Its unclear for me how to create and name the file that I need to paste the contents of the backup profile into  
[17:52] <inetpro> oom Langjan, it's not just a single file, it is a folder with many files and folders in it
[17:54] <inetpro> back in the day Mozilla wrote it's browser and email system specifically so it would be system independant
[17:55] <inetpro> you just transfer the whole profile from one to the other and continue working, as simple as that
[17:56] <inetpro> you just need to transfer the correct folder
[17:57] <inetpro> and obviously you need to setup the profile so it knows where to find the files
[17:58] <Langjan> hi inetpro , yes that make sense, I have a backed up folder vdnchczf.Default User-20150813-1740, contents 1,4GB, where do I paste the contents to?   
[17:58] <inetpro> just create a new folder and plonk it in there
[17:58] <Langjan> named anything?
[17:59] <inetpro> anythingYouWantAsLongAsYouKnowWhereToFindIt
[18:00] <Langjan> ok
[18:01] <Langjan> then run thunderbird -p ?
[18:02] <inetpro> yep
[18:09] <Langjan> inetpro, sorry but I am getting derailed somewhere, its not working 
[18:11] <inetpro> did you do this step? http://tr1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2015/05/07/523357cc-f482-11e4-940f-14feb5cc3d2a/create_profile.png
[18:11] <inetpro> morespecifically, did you choose the right folder there ^^ ?
[18:14] <Langjan> Do I fill in the name I gave the folder where it says "default user"?
[18:15] <inetpro> you can call it AnythingYouWantItIsJustADescription
[18:16] <inetpro> it is just a description or a name of a profile 
[18:16] <inetpro> in other words, you can have multiple users on the same system
[18:17] <inetpro> not very practical but you can
[18:17] <Langjan> That makes sense but not what I need
[18:18] <inetpro> just call it something else other than default and then set it as default
[18:19] <kulelu88> superfly: I managed to install numpy, scipy, scikit-learn, pandas, etc via pip using docker. not sure it works yet though. you are right though, apt-get is better, although the issue is that 14.04 packages for ubuntu are generally outdated 
[18:20] <inetpro> well, set the new profile to "Use the selected profile without asking at startup"
[18:20] <superfly> kulelu88: Yep, which is why I generally install what is OK from the repositories and then create a virtualenv and use that for the rest
[18:20] <Langjan> what doI type in by "default user"?
[18:21] <inetpro> ai!
[18:21] <superfly> kulelu88: virtualenv venv --system-site-packages
[18:21] <kulelu88> superfly: want to see my dockerfile? My end-result image is: 1.2GB in size
[18:21] <inetpro> Langjan: 08/16 20:18:40 <inetpro> just call it something else other than default...
[18:21] <superfly> kulelu88: I saw the one you posted earlier, is it the same?
[18:23] <kulelu88> partially modified. take a look: https://pastee.org/xy6ja ... <--- superfly 
[18:23] <kulelu88> there was a scipy compilation failure because the fortran compiler was missing :D 
[18:23] <Langjan> then "choose folder" select the one given the same name?
[18:24] <superfly> kulelu88: you don't need the "sudo" unless you're running as a specific user. By default the user is root
[18:24] <inetpro> Langjan: the naming can be as different as you want
[18:25] <kulelu88> superfly: is my 1.2GB image the result of not cleaning up unnecessary libs?
[18:25] <inetpro> Langjan: the important bit is that you map the folder to a profile name
[18:25] <inetpro> or you can keep it the same if you want
[18:29] <Langjan> Its not working, I have no idea what it means to "map the folder" - sorry but my ineptitude is understandably irritating you and frustrating me endlessly   
[18:29] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:30] <kulelu88> inetpro: screenshot
[18:31] <inetpro> Langjan: go to the cli and paste the following output at http://bin.snyman.info/ 
[18:31] <inetpro> $ cat ~/.thunderbird/profiles.ini
[18:31] <kulelu88> excluding "$"
[18:32] <inetpro> oh and oom Langjan, I'm not really irritated 
[18:33] <Langjan> ok, sorry
[18:33] <inetpro> :-)
[18:34] <Langjan> no such file in directory
[18:35] <inetpro> hmm... 
[18:35] <kulelu88> oom Langjan . Open the File Manager and look for a folder called ".thunderbird"
[18:36] <kulelu88> this should be in your HOME directory
[18:36] <Langjan> I have deleted .thunderbird in lieu of a new file...?
[18:36] <inetpro> Langjan: did you click Finish at the end?
[18:36] <Langjan> yes
[18:37] <inetpro> and then Exit?
[18:38] <superfly> kulelu88: depends on what the size of your base image is
[18:38] <Langjan> I get to the point where it says start thunderbird, then it starts with a blank profile
[18:38] <inetpro> Langjan: ls -l ~/.thunderbird/profiles.ini
[18:38] <kulelu88> superfly: the base is about 200MB
[18:39] <superfly> wow
[18:40] <kulelu88> superfly: getting it installed, got me thinking about how there is no decent standard for docker images. 
[18:40] <kulelu88> the hub has such random stuff in it
[18:40] <Langjan> ls: cannot access /home/lindaetc.... no such file in directory
[18:40] <Langjan> must I start thunderbird firsts o it creates a .thunderbird file?
[18:41] <inetpro> Langjan: did you login as lindaetc.... ?
[18:41] <Langjan> no, just took a short cut, sorry
[18:41] <superfly> kulelu88: yeah, I generally look for the most official looking stuff. they do now have "Official Images" but it doesn't really help much
[18:42] <inetpro> Langjan: please provide the exact output of the command
[18:42] <kulelu88> superfly: the reason why I dislike the official images is because there is a lot of duplication in them
[18:42] <Langjan> ok coming up
[18:44] <Langjan> ls: cannot access /home/linda/.thunderbird/profiles.ini: No such file in directory 
[18:44] <kulelu88> the file obviously isn't there
[18:45] <inetpro> ok... try starting thunderbird with a dummy profile
[18:45] <Langjan> ok
[18:45] <inetpro> I just wanted to make sure I;m not making the wrong assumptions
[18:45] <inetpro> for a moment I thought you're having another issue
[18:46] <Langjan> ok opened tbird
[18:46] <inetpro> sorry for being painful
[18:46] <Langjan> sorry the old man is so inept
[18:47] <inetpro> close it and see whether it has created a folder called ".thunderbird"
[18:47] <inetpro> the dot in front makes it a hidden folder
[18:47] <Langjan> yes
[18:48] <Langjan> its there
[18:48] <Langjan> and its where I was derailed, obviously
[18:48] <inetpro> now there should be a file called profiles.ini inside that
[18:49] <Langjan> yes
[18:49] <inetpro> ok, go through that other process again
[18:49] <Langjan> ok
[18:49]  * inetpro hasn't done this for a very long time
[18:50] <Langjan> the one starting with cat?
[18:50] <inetpro> no
[18:50] <inetpro> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/diy-it-guy/diy-back-up-and-migrate-a-thunderbird-profile-and-folders/
[18:51] <inetpro> thunderbird -p
[18:52] <kulelu88> backing up a thunderbird profile should be the same as a firefox 1
[18:54] <Langjan> must I delete the default profile thats in there first?
[18:54] <inetpro> Langjan: no
[18:54] <inetpro> not necessary
[18:54] <inetpro> kulelu88: only difference is that firefox creates it's profiles in a folder ~/.mozilla and Thinderbird in ~/.thunderbird/
[18:55] <Langjan> must I click on "create profile"?
[18:55] <inetpro> yes
[18:55] <inetpro> kulelu88: if I remember correctly they used to put both in the same ~/.mozilla folder 
[18:56] <inetpro> many years ago
[18:57] <Langjan> ended with blank thunderbird...?
[18:58] <kulelu88> the easiest way to swap out a profile is to copy/paste your old profile into the folder and rename it to the default profile name
[18:58] <inetpro> Langjan: cat ~/.thunderbird/profiles.ini
[18:59] <inetpro> kulelu88: not necessary, let's just go full cycle here
[18:59] <inetpro> the easiest in my view is to modify profiles.ini manually
[19:00] <Langjan> I think I must connect with the lappie so I can copy and paste outputs
[19:00] <Langjan> I will be linda
[19:01] <Langjan> OK inetpro ?
[19:01] <inetpro> that makes sense :-)
[19:01] <Langjan> ok just a sec
[19:02] <linda> [General]
[19:02] <linda> StartWithLastProfile=1
[19:02] <linda> [Profile0]
[19:02] <linda> Name=default
[19:02] <linda> IsRelative=1
[19:02] <linda> Path=cgqcmz19.default
[19:02] <linda> [Profile1]
[19:02] <linda> Name=User
[19:02] <linda> IsRelative=0
[19:02] <inetpro> hi linda
[19:02] <inetpro> welcome to #ubuntu-za :-)
[19:02] <linda> Path=/home/linda/Desktop/User
[19:02] <linda> Default=1
[19:02] <linda> thks inetpro 
[19:03] <inetpro> ok, clearly you have sucesfully created a 2nd profile
[19:03] <inetpro> named User
[19:03] <linda> yes
[19:04] <inetpro> are you sure the files are in /home/linda/Desktop/User ?
[19:04] <kulelu88> woot, dont paste multiline text. its IRC :/
[19:05] <linda> yes
[19:05] <inetpro> linda: there should be many files in that folder of which one of them should be "prefs.js"
[19:06] <linda> sorry kulelu88  ignorance
[19:06] <linda> yes its there
[19:06] <inetpro> ls -l /home/linda/Desktop/User/prefs.js
[19:06] <kulelu88> hey linda . you the first girl on the interwebz <3 :D
[19:07] <inetpro> kulelu88: she's 88
[19:07] <kulelu88> using linux?????? that's legendary
[19:07] <linda> Its an imposter, shes sleeping
[19:08] <kulelu88> women can live to long ages. I'll probably be 150% dead before 88
[19:08] <linda> do I run the link in termnal?
[19:08] <inetpro> linda: I just want to make 100% sure
[19:08] <inetpro> ls -l /home/linda/Desktop/User/prefs.js
[19:09] <inetpro> linda: yes
[19:09] <linda> bash: /home/linda/Desktop/User/prefs.js: Permission denied
[19:09] <inetpro> aha
[19:10] <inetpro> sudo chown -R linda:linda /home/linda/Desktop/User
[19:10] <kulelu88> sudo
[19:12] <inetpro> linda: did you create linda as a 2nd user or is that the first user when you installed?
[19:13] <linda> first user, you mean on ubuntu?
[19:13] <inetpro> yebo yes
[19:13] <linda> yes, only linda
[19:14] <inetpro> ok, have you doen the sudo chown thingy?
[19:14] <inetpro> chown = change ownership
[19:14] <inetpro> or more precise change file owner and group
[19:14] <linda> yes
[19:15] <inetpro> ok, now do this again
[19:15] <inetpro> ls -l /home/linda/Desktop/User/prefs.js
[19:16] <linda> bash: /home/linda/Desktop/User/prefs.js: Permission denied
[19:16] <inetpro> ai!
[19:16] <inetpro> did you press ENTER and put the password?
[19:17] <inetpro> and ENTER again
[19:17] <linda> did not ask for password, yes pressed enter
[19:17] <inetpro> uh
[19:19] <inetpro> linda: your prompt should be "linda@HostName:~$ "
[19:19] <inetpro> is that correct?
[19:19] <inetpro> whoami
[19:20] <linda>  no, its linda@linda-X55A:~$ 
[19:20] <inetpro> linda@linda-X55A:~$ sudo chown -R linda:linda /home/linda/Desktop/User
[19:21] <inetpro> start with sudo and press ENTER
[19:21] <inetpro> but hang on... I guess you already did the sudo authentication and it just remembered it and therefor didn't ask again
[19:22] <inetpro> fact is if you did that correctly you should be able to list the files inside the folder
[19:23] <inetpro> linda@linda-X55A:~$ sudo ls -ld /home/linda/Desktop/User
[19:24] <linda> drwxrwxr-x 10 linda linda 4096 Aug 16 20:57 /home/linda/Desktop/User
[19:25] <inetpro> sudo ls -l /home/linda/Desktop/User/prefs.js
[19:26] <inetpro> wb magespawn
[19:26] <magespawn> ty inetpro 
[19:26] <inetpro> linda: ?
[19:27] <magespawn> seem to lose connection every night for some time
[19:27] <inetpro> linda: can you try starting thunderbird again
[19:27] <linda> -rw------- 1 linda linda 2919 Aug 16 20:57 /home/linda/Desktop/User/prefs.js
[19:27] <linda> ok
[19:28] <linda> sorry, still blank
[19:29] <inetpro> linda: sudo ls -ld /home/linda/Desktop/User/ /home/linda/Desktop /home/linda /home
[19:29] <linda> leave tbird open?
[19:30] <inetpro> no, close it
[19:32] <inetpro> linda: sudo ls -ld /home/linda/Desktop/User/ /home/linda/Desktop /home/linda /home
[19:33] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:34] <inetpro> kulelu88: what did you do with linda now?
[19:36] <inetpro> oom Langjan, jy nog daar?
[19:36] <Langjan> ja
[19:36] <inetpro> hmm... wat's fout?
[19:37] <Langjan> linda se vodacom het gebreek, nou weer reg
[19:37] <inetpro> ai!
[19:37] <Langjan> will send you the rest of the output, was 4 lines
[19:37] <inetpro> ok
[19:38] <Langjan> not coming through...
[19:38] <inetpro> linda left
[19:39] <inetpro> linda has quit 
[19:39] <Langjan> lets try reconnect
[19:40] <Langjan> can you see the outputs in there?
[19:40] <inetpro> wb linda
[19:40] <inetpro> no
[19:41] <Langjan> ok sending again
[19:41] <linda> drwxr-xr-x  3 root  root  4096 Aug 15 23:15 /home
[19:41] <linda> drwxr-xr-x 27 linda linda 4096 Aug 16 20:45 /home/linda
[19:42] <linda> drwxr-xr-x  6 linda linda 4096 Aug 16 20:23 /home/linda/Desktop
[19:42] <linda> drwxrwxr-x 10 linda linda 4096 Aug 16 21:29 /home/linda/Desktop/User/
[19:42] <linda> All done
[19:42] <inetpro> hmm... those are all correct
[19:43] <inetpro> now try one last time for me: ls -l /home/linda/Desktop/User/prefs.js
[19:43] <inetpro> without sudo
[19:43] <inetpro> wb gremble
[19:45] <inetpro> linda: ls -l /home/linda/Desktop/User/prefs.js
[19:45] <linda> -rw------- 1 linda linda 2919 Aug 16 21:29 /home/linda/Desktop/User/prefs.js
[19:45] <inetpro> ah, now that is what I expected from the beginning
[19:46] <Langjan> good or bad?
[19:46] <inetpro> that looks right
[19:46] <Kilos> are you having probs with 3g connecting automatically Langjan 
[19:46] <inetpro> but previously you got permission errors
[19:46] <inetpro> linda: thunderbird -p
[19:47] <Langjan> signal sometimes comes and goes
[19:47] <Kilos> ok sort thunderbird first
[19:47] <Kilos> ive got a script for auto connec
[19:48] <Kilos> ty for helping inetpro 
[19:48] <inetpro> linda: select the "User" profile and click start Thunderbird
[19:48] <Langjan> ok I have create profile
[19:48] <Langjan> with two existing profiles
[19:48] <Langjan> default and user
[19:49] <inetpro> highlight the profile called "User" 
[19:49] <Langjan> ok
[19:49] <inetpro> and click Start...
[19:49] <Langjan> start?
[19:50] <inetpro> Start Thunderbird
[19:50] <Langjan> oh, start tbird?
[19:50] <Langjan> blank
[19:51] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:51] <Langjan> optins to skip and use existing mail or configure later
[19:51] <inetpro> ok, next attempt
[19:51] <Langjan> sorry friend, but thks a lot
[19:52] <Langjan> close tbird?
[19:52] <inetpro> click "I think I'll configure my account later"
[19:52] <Langjan> ok done
[19:52] <inetpro> and then close thunderbird
[19:53] <Langjan> ok
[19:53] <inetpro> still on the cli do the following
[19:53] <inetpro> du -hs /home/linda/Desktop/User/
[19:54] <inetpro> cli = command line interface
[19:54] <linda> has this any significance?
[19:54] <linda> (process:7338): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
[19:54] <inetpro> no, just ignore those
[19:55] <inetpro> not critical at all
[19:56] <linda> 1,4G	/home/linda/Desktop/User/
[19:56] <linda> thats the size of backup
[19:56] <inetpro> ok, so it does look like you stuff is there
[19:57]  * inetpro thinking
[19:59] <inetpro> du -hs /home/linda/Desktop/User/Mail/
[20:00] <inetpro> Langjan: ^^
[20:01] <linda> ok sorry doing
[20:01] <kulelu88> is linda jou vrou? oupa Langjan 
[20:02] <linda> 1,3G	/home/linda/Desktop/User/Mail/
[20:02] <Langjan> vriendin, kulelu88 , my vrou is 69
[20:03] <Langjan> nie 88 soos jy en linda nie
[20:03] <inetpro> hmm... dit lyk goed so
[20:03] <kulelu88> and you 78? 
[20:03] <Langjan> 72
[20:03] <gremble> Hey kulelu88 
[20:03] <kulelu88> aweee gremble 
[20:03] <inetpro> maar dit maak nie sin dat die ding begin met blank
[20:04] <kulelu88> oupa Langjan you must be a real oupa by now. how many small Langjans around? 
[20:04] <linda> ai
[20:04] <Langjan> 4 kids and 6 grands
[20:04] <Langjan> oldest 18
[20:04] <kulelu88> only 6 :(
[20:04] <Langjan> of the grands
[20:05] <Langjan> Ja one still single, lazy boy 35 
[20:06] <linda> must I try tbird aain inetpro ?
[20:06] <linda> again
[20:07] <inetpro> linda: we havn't done anything
[20:07] <linda> ok
[20:07] <inetpro> linda: just try the following for me
[20:07] <inetpro> cp -r /home/linda/Desktop/User/* ~/.thunderbird/cgqcmz19.default/
[20:08] <inetpro> going to take a while to copy 1.4GB
[20:09] <inetpro> actually we should have cleared the folder first
[20:10] <inetpro> press Ctrl+C
[20:10] <inetpro> if you started already
[20:10] <kulelu88> are they connected via LAN?
[20:11] <inetpro> let's do this differently
[20:12] <inetpro> mv ~/.thunderbird/cgqcmz19.default/ ~/.thunderbird/olddefault/
[20:12] <linda> Ctrl+C seems to do nothing
[20:12] <inetpro> did it start copying?
[20:13] <linda> did not notice anything
[20:13] <inetpro> du -hs ~/.thunderbird/cgqcmz19.default/
[20:13] <linda> just took a while to go back to clp
[20:13] <gremble> Cheers guys
[20:13] <inetpro> gremble: goeie nag
[20:13] <kulelu88> peace gremble 
[20:13] <Kilos> cheers gremble 
[20:15] <inetpro> Langjan: du -hs ~/.thunderbird/cgqcmz19.default/
[20:16] <linda> leave the old default?
[20:16] <inetpro> Langjan: du -hs ~/.thunderbird/cgqcmz19.default/
[20:16] <inetpro> just do that first
[20:17] <inetpro> forget about the rest
[20:17] <inetpro> or have you done that already?
[20:17] <inetpro> have you done mv ~/.thunderbird/cgqcmz19.default/ ~/.thunderbird/olddefault/   ?
[20:17] <linda> no
[20:17] <linda> no
[20:19] <linda> no
[20:19] <inetpro> du -hs ~/.thunderbird/cgqcmz19.default/
[20:19] <linda> 1,4G	/home/linda/.thunderbird/cgqcmz19.default/
[20:19] <inetpro> wow, so it looks like everything copied very quickly... 
[20:19] <inetpro> you have one fast machine there
[20:20] <linda> slow oldies, fast machines, lol
[20:20] <inetpro> start thunderbird with the -p option and select "default" and start
[20:20] <Kilos> lol
[20:21] <linda> in ommand line?
[20:21] <linda> c
[20:21] <inetpro> yes
[20:21] <inetpro> thunderbird -p
[20:22] <linda> ok done
[20:22] <inetpro> and?
[20:22]  * Cryterion thinks thunderbird is the best email client ;)\
[20:22] <linda> blank...ai
[20:22] <Cryterion> Hi everyone
[20:22] <inetpro> strange
[20:23] <inetpro> really strange
[20:23] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[20:27] <inetpro> Langjan: did you install Kubuntu?
[20:28] <linda> no, Ubuntu 14.04
[20:28] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[20:29] <inetpro> please close Thunderbird
[20:29] <linda> done
[20:30] <inetpro> and then
[20:30] <inetpro> gedit ~/.thunderbird/cgqcmz19.default/prefs.js
[20:31] <Langjan> file came up, do not edit
[20:32] <inetpro> cool... make sure you be careful there now
[20:32] <Kilos> hehe
[20:32] <Langjan> ok
[20:32] <Langjan> lmga, Kilos spectator
[20:32] <inetpro> does gedit have a search function?
[20:32] <Kilos> hahaha
[20:32] <inetpro> or find
[20:33] <Langjan> yes looks like
[20:33] <Langjan> yes
[20:33] <inetpro> now find the exact string 'Mail' for me
[20:33] <inetpro> without quotes
[20:33] <Langjan> many 
[20:34] <inetpro> give me the output of one of those lines
[20:36] <Langjan> user_pref("mail.ab_remote_content.migrated",1);
[20:36] <inetpro> no no no
[20:36] <inetpro> Mail with a capital M
[20:36] <Langjan> I did, its the output, seems to ignore the cap
[20:37] <inetpro> in other words the find function needs to be case sensitive
[20:38] <Langjan> I enter Mail, it gives all the mails
[20:38] <Langjan> ignores the cap
[20:38]  * inetpro installs gedit 
[20:40] <Kilos> superfly  what happened to http://bin.snyman.info
[20:40] <Kilos> lotsa strange stuff there
[20:41] <Langjan> lost linda again
[20:41] <superfly> Kilos: a spammer
[20:41] <Kilos> oh my
[20:42] <Langjan> Finicky vodamail connection
[20:42] <inetpro> yikes!
[20:42] <inetpro> gedit that useless?
[20:42] <Kilos> cant you use nano?
[20:42] <Langjan> let me connect my adsl line there
[20:43] <inetpro> ahh, hang on
[20:43] <inetpro> Langjan: click on the magnifying glass to set case
[20:43] <inetpro> set 'match case'
[20:44] <Kilos> i have to sleep guys so excuse this info please
[20:44] <Kilos> Langjan  http://bin.snyman.info/w76at
[20:45] <Kilos> that should make the 3g auto start and auto reconnect
[20:45] <Kilos> i have more if that doesnt work
[20:45] <Langjan> lekker slaap kilos
[20:45] <Kilos> will be here tomorrow
[20:45] <Kilos> dankie, julle ook
[20:45] <inetpro> Langjan: is linda still connected?
[20:46] <Langjan> just coming up now on adsl
[20:46] <Langjan> much bettter
[20:47] <Kilos> good luck guys
[20:47] <inetpro> I'm thinking that you will probably find lines that have the windows profile path as follows
[20:47] <inetpro> C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\Mail\
[20:47] <Kilos> im sure pro will win
[20:47] <Langjan> ok I did match case
[20:47] <inetpro> linda: wb
[20:48] <linda> thks
[20:49] <inetpro> in fact
[20:49] <inetpro> rather than messing with that file
[20:49] <inetpro> let's try importing the folder again
[20:49] <inetpro> linda: please close gedit without saving
[20:50] <Langjan> ok done
[20:50] <inetpro> you clearly had a permission issue when you tried last time
[20:50] <inetpro> please do the following
[20:51] <inetpro> mv ~/.thunderbird/cgqcmz19.default/ ~/.thunderbird/linda/
[20:52] <inetpro> Langjan: ^^
[20:53] <linda> ja
[20:53] <inetpro> done?
[20:53] <linda> yes
[20:54] <inetpro> now let's wipe the profiles.ini and start a fresh one
[20:54] <inetpro> rm .thunderbird/profiles.ini
[20:55] <linda> done
[20:55] <inetpro> start thunderbird normally as if you just installed it
[20:56] <linda> same result
[20:56] <inetpro> now exit without setting up an account
[20:56] <inetpro> did it create a new profiles.ini ?
[20:56] <linda> ok
[20:56] <inetpro> ls -l .thunderbird/profiles.ini
[20:58] <inetpro> Langjan: ^^
[20:58] <linda> -rw-rw-r-- 1 linda linda 94 Aug 16 22:55 .thunderbird/profiles.ini
[20:58] <inetpro> mooi!
[20:58] <inetpro> now start thunderbird with -p
[20:58] <inetpro> and create a new profile
[20:58] <inetpro> call it linda
[20:59] <inetpro> and choose the folder /home/linda/.thunderbird/linda/
[20:59] <linda> (process:9697): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
[20:59] <inetpro> that's fine
[21:00] <linda> nothing else
[21:00] <inetpro> click Finish
[21:00] <inetpro> what do you get?
[21:00] <linda> did not open file
[21:00] <inetpro> so it lands back on the cli?
[21:01] <inetpro> which is what I expect
[21:01] <linda> yes
[21:01] <inetpro> cat /home/linda/.thunderbird/profiles.ini
[21:02] <inetpro> you should now have two profiles
[21:02] <inetpro> Profile0 and Profile1
[21:03] <linda> yes
[21:03] <inetpro> now start thunderbird -p again
[21:03] <inetpro> select linda and Start Thunderbird
[21:04] <linda> (process:9893): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
[21:04] <linda> linda@linda-X55A:~$ 
[21:04] <linda> back to cli
[21:05] <inetpro> the error can be ignored, are you sure Thunderbird has not started?
[21:05] <linda> lets see, no. Must I start it?
[21:06] <inetpro> 08/16 23:03:33 <inetpro> select linda and Start Thunderbird
[21:06] <linda> select linda?
[21:06] <inetpro> thunderbird -p
[21:07] <linda> (process:9985): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
[21:07] <linda> thats all
[21:07] <inetpro> ai!
[21:07] <inetpro> ps -ef | grep thunderbird
[21:08] <Langjan> Where do I find the vertical line?
[21:09] <inetpro> on my keyboard together with \
[21:09] <inetpro> below Backspace
[21:09] <Langjan> |
[21:09] <inetpro> yebo yes
[21:09] <inetpro> ps -ef | grep thunderbird
[21:09] <inetpro> that is a pipe charcater
[21:09] <inetpro> character as well
[21:10] <linda> linda    10075  9877  0 23:09 pts/0    00:00:00 grep --color=auto thunderbird
[21:10] <linda> linda@linda-X55A:~$ 
[21:10] <inetpro> ps is for reporting a snapshot of the current processes
[21:10] <inetpro> hmm... so thunderbird is not running
[21:10] <linda> no
[21:11] <inetpro> thunderbird -v
[21:11] <inetpro> ignore GLib-CRITICAL
[21:12] <linda> (process:10126): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
[21:12] <linda> Thunderbird 31.8.0
[21:12] <inetpro> cool, that is the latest version
[21:13] <inetpro> thunderbird -p
[21:13] <inetpro> you sure it doesn't start the profile thingy?
[21:13] <Langjan> gives default profile
[21:13] <inetpro> only the deafult?
[21:13] <Langjan> yes
[21:13] <inetpro> ai!
[21:14] <inetpro> Exit
[21:14] <linda> done exit
[21:17] <inetpro> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[21:18] <inetpro> Langjan: ^^
[21:18] <Langjan> yes inetpro 
[21:18] <inetpro> install pastebinit
[21:19] <Langjan> running
[21:19] <Langjan> done
[21:19] <inetpro> nice, it is a command-line pastebin client
[21:19] <inetpro> now lets' test that
[21:20] <inetpro> echo Hello World | pastebinit -a Langjan
[21:20] <Langjan> in my machine?
[21:20] <inetpro> on linda's machine
[21:21] <Langjan> ok
[21:22] <linda> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12101970/
[21:22] <inetpro> mooi!
[21:23] <inetpro> now next one still on linda's machine
[21:23] <Langjan> ok
[21:23] <inetpro> cat ~/.thunderbird/profiles.ini | pastebinit -a Langjan
[21:24] <linda> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12101998/
[21:25] <inetpro> hmm... now why do we not see the linda profile there?
[21:25] <inetpro> so let's try creating it again
[21:25] <inetpro> thunderbird -p
[21:26] <Langjan> gives default
[21:26] <inetpro> Create profile
[21:26] <inetpro> Next
[21:27] <Langjan> yes
[21:27] <inetpro> Enter profile name: linda
[21:27] <inetpro> Choose folder: /home/linda/.thunderbird/linda/
[21:27] <inetpro> click Finish
[21:28] <Langjan> ok
[21:28] <inetpro> done?
[21:28] <Langjan> yes
[21:28] <inetpro> now let me look at it 
[21:28] <inetpro> cat ~/.thunderbird/profiles.ini | pastebinit -a Langjan
[21:30] <Langjan> terminal messing me around
[21:31] <inetpro> please explain that
[21:31] <Langjan> seems process still running
[21:31] <inetpro> did you click Finish?
[21:31] <Langjan> no
[21:32] <inetpro> ai!
[21:32] <inetpro> tell me when you've done it
[21:33] <Langjan> yes I did, sorry
[21:33] <inetpro> still waiting for the prompt?
[21:33] <Langjan> well terminal is making [[D etc when I try to edit
[21:34] <Langjan> close terminal?
[21:34] <inetpro> no
[21:34] <inetpro> when you press ENTER in the terminal does it go back to linda@linda-X55A:~$ 
[21:34] <linda> NO
[21:35] <inetpro> ah, so it's still busy then
[21:35] <linda> I was doing cat.... command when it started going funny
[21:36] <inetpro> did you have the $ prompt ?
[21:36] <linda> (process:10993): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
[21:36] <linda> cat ~/.thunderbird/profiles.ini | pastebin -a lNGJAN^[[D^[[D^[[D^[[B^[[D^[[D^[[D^[[D^[[A^[[A^[[D^[[A
[21:36] <linda> NO^[[DI was 
[21:36] <linda> no
[21:37] <inetpro> ai!
[21:37] <inetpro> always wait for the prompt before typing the next command
[21:37] <linda> sorry boss!
[21:37] <linda> learning
[21:37] <inetpro> looks to me like the thunderbird profile is still running 
[21:38] <inetpro> start a new terminal session
[21:38] <linda> force quit?
[21:38] <inetpro> no
[21:39] <linda> oh, ok did not nknow its possible
[21:39] <Langjan> the cat command?
[21:39] <inetpro> have you started another one yet?
[21:40] <Langjan> yes
[21:40] <inetpro> ps -ef | grep thunderbird
[21:41] <linda> linda    10993  9877  0 23:26 pts/0    00:00:01 /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird -p
[21:41] <linda> linda    11391 11327  0 23:40 pts/10   00:00:00 grep --color=auto thunderbird
[21:41] <inetpro> ah you see, there's a 2nd one now
[21:41] <inetpro> remember when you did it earlier there was only one
[21:41] <Langjan> ok
[21:41] <Langjan> is that good?
[21:42] <inetpro> PID=10993 and 11391
[21:42] <inetpro> PID =  process ID
[21:42] <Langjan> must I run that?
[21:42] <inetpro> no
[21:43] <inetpro> explaining
[21:43] <inetpro> the grep line will always appear... technically not always
[21:43] <Langjan> what is pid? 
[21:43] <inetpro> but expect to see it everytime you execute ps -ef | grep something
[21:43] <inetpro> PID = process ID
[21:43] <Langjan> proocess id
[21:44] <inetpro> we can forcefully kill a process by using the PID
[21:44] <Langjan> oh, ok
[21:44] <inetpro> the big question is, are yo sure you don't still see thunderbird running there?
[21:45] <inetpro> press Alt+Tab multiple times
[21:45] <Langjan> The choose user profile is still running
[21:45] <inetpro> ah...
[21:46] <Langjan> default and linda optins
[21:46] <inetpro> with what options on the screen?
[21:46] <Langjan> must have opened when proocess finished
[21:46] <inetpro> with what options on the screen?
[21:46] <Langjan> default and linda
[21:46] <inetpro> and?
[21:47] <inetpro> buttons?
[21:47] <Langjan> create, rename or dekete profile
[21:47] <inetpro> and?
[21:47] <Langjan> and exit or start tbird
[21:47] <inetpro> ah
[21:47] <inetpro> press exit
[21:48] <Langjan> and use selected profile without asking at atartup
[21:48] <inetpro> now look careful, you have two terminal sessions open now
[21:48] <Langjan> ok let me exit first?
[21:48] <inetpro> did you press Exit?
[21:48] <inetpro> ok
[21:48] <Langjan> not yet
[21:49] <Langjan> Ok exited, two terminals open
[21:50] <inetpro> on the one we opened last type exit and ENTER
[21:50] <Langjan> exit
[21:50] <inetpro> it should vanish
[21:50] <Langjan> yes
[21:50] <inetpro> are you back on the first?
[21:50] <Langjan> §rry, typing in wroong place
[21:50] <Langjan> yes
[21:51] <inetpro> now you should see the pastebinit result
[21:51] <Langjan> its done
[21:51] <inetpro> do you see it?
[21:51] <linda> linda@linda-X55A:~$ echo Hello World | pastebinit -a Langjan
[21:51] <linda> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12102307/
[21:52] <inetpro> no, not that
[21:52] <inetpro> let's try again
[21:52] <inetpro> cat ~/.thunderbird/profiles.ini | pastebinit -a Langjan
[21:52] <Langjan> ok
[21:53] <linda> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12102346/
[21:53] <inetpro> if you want to make sure you have a clear screen... press Ctrl+C first and then ENTER and then clear and ENTER
[21:54] <inetpro> mooi
[21:54] <inetpro> pragtig!!!!
[21:54] <inetpro> nou let's go back to thunderbird -p
[21:54] <inetpro> thunderbird -p
[21:55] <Langjan> I have default and linda again
[21:55] <inetpro> now choose linda
[21:55] <inetpro> and click [Start Thunderbird]
[21:55] <Langjan> ok
[21:56] <Langjan> nothing, blank
[21:56] <inetpro> ok, close it
[21:56] <Langjan> ai
[21:57] <inetpro> cat ~/.thunderbird/linda/prefs.js | pastebinit -a Langja
[21:57] <Langjan> ok closed
[21:57] <Langjan> Langjan?
[21:57] <inetpro> on Linda's machine
[21:58] <inetpro> but oops... make that Langjan or any other name you want :-)
[21:58] <inetpro> -a is to set the author
[21:59] <linda> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12102379/
[21:59] <inetpro> yikes!
[21:59] <Langjan> Have to go for quick leak
[21:59] <inetpro> ok
[22:00] <Langjan> is yikes goood or bad? 
[22:01] <inetpro> that file is way too short
[22:01] <inetpro> and it's after midnight
[22:01] <Langjan> ok back again
[22:01] <Langjan> you want to call it a day? 
[22:01] <inetpro> we really need to go sleep
[22:01] <Langjan> ja
[22:02] <inetpro> yeah, no choice, sorry oom
[22:02] <Langjan> ok, perhaps good to sleep over it anyway
[22:02] <inetpro> :-(
[22:02] <Langjan> no problem, really appreciated
[22:03] <Langjan> can we have another bash sometime?
[22:03] <inetpro> oh well, maybe a bit of sleep will help
[22:03] <inetpro> ja ons probeer maar later weer 
[22:04] <Langjan> OK inetpro , baie dankie en slaap lekker
[22:04] <inetpro> good night
[22:04] <Langjan> night-night
[22:05] <inetpro> there's stull other options for sure
[22:05] <inetpro> still*
[22:05] <inetpro> good night
[22:05] <Langjan> thks, gives me hope
[22:05] <Langjan> sleep well
[22:47] <tumbleweed> Maaz: tell Kilos hi
[22:47] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode