[00:06] <maldridge> I'm having an issue with pam_mount not unmounting things.  I can see it attempts to unmount, but the network volumes remain mounted.  Is there a good way to find out why its failing?
[00:07] <maldridge> specifically, I believe this to be a bug within the package, but it seems dead so I figured I'd ask if anyone knew any tricks for pam_mount first
[00:09] <Guest49710> hi everybody
[00:15] <fast> hi does anyone here know how to overclock cd drives? im trying to do it in windows but they say i cant so does anyone know if ubuntu can? i need it to go faster for work
[00:16] <OerHeks> fast, never heard of that.
[00:18] <ExoUNX> so does Ubuntu have plans on changing the gui anytime soon?
[00:19] <littlebunnyfufu> ExoUNX: What do you mean?
[00:19] <mcphail> ExoUNX: I would imagine the next change would be to Unity8
[00:19] <ExoUNX> which the change to unity be much different?
[00:19] <ExoUNX> unity needs to be scrapped or overhauled
[00:20] <ExoUNX> one of the two, and I don't want to recommend ubuntu to my novice friends, mainly because I'm too lazy to swap out unity for them
[00:20] <ExoUNX> though not much worse than stock gnome anyways
[00:21] <mcphail> ExoUNX: this is the support channel. Opinion pieces can go to #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[00:21] <ExoUNX> ok I'll drop my opinion
[00:21] <ExoUNX> are there plans to overhaul or scrap unity
[00:23] <OerHeks> still the wrong channel, ExoUNX
[00:24] <ExoUNX> it's technically a support question afaik and unity is part of ubuntu is it not?
[00:25] <ExoUNX> and answering this question may or may not solve my problems with ubuntu
[00:28] <mcphail> ExoUNX: repeating the same question in an inappropriate forum is trolling. You have already been told that the next Ubuntu GUI will be Unity8. If you don't like Unity, other GUIs are available. If it is too much hassle to switch, download one of the other Ubuntu flavours which have different default desktops
[00:32] <ExoUNX> mcphail, I made a mistake the mistake of breaking chat, rules, I'm trying to stay on topic
[00:39] <chang> Hey guys, could you help me with redshift? When I use "redshift -t D:N" in terminal, it says "using method 'randr' " and my screen keeps changing temperature
[00:44] <n121> Hey I'm trying to install xubuntu. I booted from a live usb and went through the install options on the desktop. When I finally finished I clicked "restart now" and my desktop froze. What should I do?
[00:45] <n121> It's been frozen for 15mins
[00:45] <uio> Hello, when I installed I entered a home folder encryption phrase. How could I change it ^
[00:45] <n121> is there a ctrl alt del for ubuntu?
[00:45] <wileee> !reisub | n121 try this and pray. ;)
[00:46] <n121> thanks ubottu
[00:46] <wileee> b is boot o os off our choice n121
[00:48] <Ubuntu31783> does ubuntu live cd come with libreoffice?
[00:48] <wileee> yeah
[00:49] <Ubuntu31783> is libreoffice compatible with microsoft office 2010?
[00:51] <wileee> Ubuntu31783, libreoffice will read all docs made there, can get tricky if you have complex stuff filed with extra code to render, as far as render across both, pretty compatible really.
[00:51] <wileee> filled*
[00:52] <MonkeyDust> Ubuntu31783  not 100% compztible, i have winxp in a virtual machine, for ms office only
[00:53] <Ubuntu31783> makes sense. thanks
[00:54] <wileee> I use word at times as well
[00:57] <uio> Hello, I'm trying to change the home folder encryption pass phrase using gnome-disks, but the 'change pass phrase' option is greyed out... any ideas ?
[00:58] <MonkeyDust> Ubuntu31783  there's this, tho  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4653463/microsoft_online_apps.deb
[01:13] <uio> Hello, gnome-disks is telling me that my hard drive 'will probably fail soon', what should I do ?
[01:15] <daftykins> uio: can you run "sudo apt-get install pastebinit smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit" ?
[01:15] <uio> daftykins: Sure.
[01:18] <uio> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12093703/
[01:18] <zx42o> Hello, would this be the correct place for assistance with windows 7 not showing in update-grub
[01:19] <daftykins> uio: that disk is indeed about to climb into its' coffin, if you have anything on it you need, now is the time to copy it off
[01:19] <zx42o> i have a link as well: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12093661/
[01:19] <uio> daftykins: So... the machine is just going to be useless ?
[01:20] <uio> daftykins: Would it run from a live usb ?
[01:20] <daftykins> uio: sure. you just need to buy a new hard disk or SSD is all
[01:20] <uio> daftykins: I mean, what causes this.. the computer has hardly been used !
[01:21] <daftykins> uio: that disk is from a famous line of drives that like to kill themselves sadly
[01:21] <daftykins> a 40GB disk is quite the museum piece in 2015 though :)
[01:22] <uio> daftykins: Darn... about how long would you give it ? I feel like I am at the doctor's !!
[01:22] <sabotagebeats> uio i would back it up immediately!
[01:23] <sabotagebeats> uio: there are 500 gb ssd's on amazon for under $250
[01:23] <daftykins> uio: essentially if you want any data off it, i would take it off immediately... it could last a day, or could never work after one more power off. tough call
[01:23] <uio> sabotagebeats: It's a fresh install, so I have nothing important on it...
[01:23] <daftykins> ah good stuff
[01:23] <daftykins> then i'd power off and remove it immediately
[01:23] <uio> daftykins: But it would still run from Puppy, for example ?
[01:24] <sabotagebeats> uio it should from usb
[01:24] <daftykins> a computer can run just fine from bootable media live sessions, yeah
[01:24] <sabotagebeats> as long as you can get the bios to boot from usb it should run from usb
[01:24] <uio> sabotagebeats: Any suggestions for a really small, super cheap sdd ?
[01:24] <daftykins> but i would only consider that a temporary measure.
[01:24] <windex> any1 here have a big dick?
[01:24] <uio> sabotagebeats: I mean, this one only has 40 gb, so I really don't care much about space.
[01:25] <windex> wtf i didnt leave why does it say that
[01:25] <sabotagebeats> uio i have http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KFAGCUM
[01:25] <Flannel> windex: Please help keep this channel on-topic (Ubuntu technical support) thanks.
[01:25] <sabotagebeats> please don't be offended by the url i don't know why it is so obscene :/
[01:26] <sabotagebeats> it really is an SSD!
[01:26] <daftykins> it is a very unfortunate product ID that one, indeed
[01:26] <daftykins> nice drive that though - i own one myself
[01:26] <sabotagebeats> when i saw my reciept i was like wtf
[01:26] <sabotagebeats> that is rude
[01:26] <zx42o> can anyone help with editing grub.cfg to include windows 7 its on sdc1
[01:26] <daftykins> judging by the output of uio's pastebin though, i don't even think his or her system is SATA capable even
[01:26] <daftykins> let me look up that disk
[01:26] <zx42o> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12093661/
[01:27] <daftykins> !bootrepair
[01:27] <daftykins> zx42o: ^
[01:27] <zx42o> ive used boot repair
[01:27] <zx42o> the link is the results of boot repair
[01:27] <uio> daftykins: It's a ThinkPad T40 from 2003
[01:27] <Ben64> zx42o: try running 'sudo update-grub'
[01:28] <zx42o> i have done that as well
[01:28] <daftykins> uio: mmm, so you're restricted to PATA ("IDE") hard disks only.
[01:28] <Ben64> and?
[01:28] <sabotagebeats> i don't think it will be supported uio
[01:28] <zx42o> it does not detect the windows 7
[01:28] <sabotagebeats> unfortunately ide disks are not super prevalent anymore esp as ssd's
[01:28] <Ben64> zx42o: pastebin the output from the command
[01:28] <daftykins> zx42o: ah sorry, didn't look as i thought it could've been a quick check.
[01:28] <zx42o> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12093661/
[01:28] <zx42o> oh from the command
[01:28] <uio> daftykins: sabotagebeats Thanks forthe info.
[01:28] <sabotagebeats> uio what is your goal with the machine
[01:29] <uio> sabotagebeats: To be honest, it is working so nicely, and I really like old machines - I was hoping to make it my main machine.
[01:29] <zx42o> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12093804/
[01:29] <sabotagebeats> uio if you can deal with 40 gb on a hd what about a slim usb boot?
[01:30] <uio> sabotagebeats: I bought it used... upgrade RAM, installed a wifi card....
[01:30] <uio> sabotagebeats: You mean like Puppy ?
[01:30] <zx42o> the windows 7 is located on sdc1
[01:30] <sabotagebeats> ubuntu will run off a usb as well
[01:30] <sabotagebeats> puppy, ubuntu, whatever you want
[01:30] <sabotagebeats> 32gb is almost where you were at before
[01:31] <uio> sabotagebeats: That's a really good idea... I mean, true, I could just get a good usb stick and set it to persistant...
[01:31] <daftykins> zx42o: first thought is you've installed ubuntu as EFI beside windows 7 which is legacy - so you can't have them boot together.
[01:31] <daftykins> zx42o: you could follow the EFI guide page in order to convert your ubuntu installation to legacy from EFI perhaps
[01:31] <daftykins> !efi
[01:31] <sabotagebeats> uio if you get a slim one it won't even be annoying
[01:32] <daftykins> (but there are far more experienced people here so i will take a back seat)
[01:32] <uio> sabotagebeats: What do you mean 'slim' ?
[01:32] <sabotagebeats> uio there are some drives 2 to 3 inches long, and there are some drives half an inch long
[01:32] <zx42o> ty daftykins
[01:32] <sabotagebeats> make sure it is bootable before you buy it
[01:32] <uio> sabotagebeats: Okay.. what ? some are not bootable ??
[01:33] <daftykins> sabotagebeats: i know you mean well but things beyond OS support should perhaps be taken to ##hardware
[01:33] <uio> daftykins: oh woops....
[01:33] <sabotagebeats> sorry :)
[01:33] <pw-toxic> hi, i messed up my raid5. Although i have a full backup, it would cost me a lot of time to restore. My Problem: i successfully recreated the raid array with trying all permutations of sda sdc sdd sde and i found the right one. Now i'd like to recreate the superblocks, because mdadm --examine /dev/md1 does not work.
[01:33] <uio> sabotagebeats: Okay - thanks for all the info ! The machine will survive !
[01:33] <pw-toxic> Any hints?
[01:33] <sabotagebeats> this is an example of a slim drive
[01:33] <sabotagebeats> woops
[01:53] <idle848182> if i edit /etc/securetty and remove all lines of tty exept tty1 will i still be able to use terminal with sudo command?
[01:54] <idle848182> anyone?
[01:56] <ale-roy> why do you want to do this?
[01:57] <idle848182> edit tty settings, so only one virtual termian(tty) runs at once
[01:58] <daftykins> "securetty - file which lists terminals from which root can log in"
[01:58] <daftykins> ^ man securetty
[01:58] <daftykins> that to me sounds non-applicable to ubuntu entirely, if i'm reading it right
[01:58] <keileon> gz
[02:01] <anton2s> Hi, can I use ubuntu Live CD as local repo?
[02:02] <anton2s> I'm not sure because unlike debian isos ubuntu live CD is a big squashfs.
[02:03] <pw-toxic_> im still dealing with a running raid, that cant be assembled via mdadm --assemble --scan, any hints?
[02:03] <daftykins> pw-toxic_: what exactly happened to hose it that badly?
[02:05] <daftykins> anton2s: any good? http://askubuntu.com/questions/404325/using-disk-image-files-iso-as-a-repository
[02:08] <anton2s> daftykins: Thanks, I'll try it myself. Seems that apt-cdrom automatically deal with squashfs?
[02:08] <pw-toxic_> daftykins, nothing bad happend. I have built  new computer and placed the drives there. Since i couldnt find the array with mdadm --assemble --scan i didnt a mdadm --create using he correct /dev/sda .. order, nd t worked
[02:09] <pw-toxic_> daftykins, but to avoid future panic, i'd like mdadm --assemble --scan to work...
[02:09] <daftykins> so if it's new how come you can't start from scratch?
[02:09] <pw-toxic_> daftykins, all superblocks are correct ond /dev/sda  /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sde (using raid5 on raw disk)
[02:12] <daftykins> ok perhaps this one's beyond me, if it's new i'd nuke it and start again.
[02:12] <pw-toxic_> daftykins, was this answer for me?
[02:13] <daftykins> yes
[02:13] <pw-toxic_> ;( the raid s old and contains 7 TB of data. starting from scratch is no option.
[02:14] <daftykins> ah you confused matters when you said like it was new
[02:14] <daftykins> nevermind then
[02:14]  * daftykins pats his hardware controllers 
[02:15] <CB6> For startup errors is there a report all button for popups rather than a bunch of them and having to enter in your PW for each one?
[02:19] <wileee> CB6, apport os the notifier, it will do popups any errors , including 3rd party apps...etc. Have you added lots of stuff to the install, including repos?
[02:19] <wileee> os=is
[02:20] <CB6> Some
[02:20] <CB6> I just want a report all instead of the one at a time enter in your password report. I don
[02:20] <LonelyCoder_> How would I copy a text file to my clipboard?
[02:20] <CB6> I don't plan to check them one by one naturally.
[02:21] <wileee> CB6, I'm not sure those are reported are reported per-say, so it is a sifting job really.
[02:21] <daftykins> LonelyCoder_: what are you trying to achieve?
[02:22] <wileee> just seems like a red flag on the setup is all
[02:22] <daftykins> (the main task)
[02:23] <CB6> "Downloading Linux Firmware" lets hope whatever it is patches. Why is it that with \\ I can see windows but with viewing the network I can't see the other computers? Seems odd
[02:25] <daftykins> because that's the samba protocol
[02:25] <daftykins> (possibly)
[02:25] <oats> Is xclip installed by default in Ubuntu?
[02:25] <oats> (I'm not on it atm)
[02:25] <daftykins> !info xclip
[02:25] <daftykins> nope
[02:25] <oats> k
[02:25] <CB6> it's just the GUI that doesn't see it. I can find it searching the ip directly with nautilus entering in the ip with \\
[02:26] <daftykins> that's not searching, that's browsing
[02:27] <CB6> I had the same problem in like 07. Can anyone else see network computers in the workgroup with Samba?
[02:33] <optimistic7> hey i got some issue in my ubuntu and i have suggestion which according to me should be improved , what i can i do
[02:33] <optimistic7> Its my first time when i'm going to raise an issue
[02:34] <daftykins> just volunteers here for helping with issues, not really a feedback mechanism at all.
[02:34] <pradeda> hi
[02:35] <optimistic7> but from i should start ??
[02:35] <optimistic7> little confused
[02:35] <pradeda> i have multiple problems with ubuntu 14.04
[02:36] <pradeda> when connected pc to tv via hdmi cable screen dim after few seconds and i cant adjust brightness
[02:36] <pradeda> then i tried to install FGLRX
[02:36] <pradeda> and now i cant login
[02:37] <pradeda> when type password ask me to enter again
[02:37] <pradeda> is there a way to fix that without reinstaling
[02:38] <optimistic7> pradeda: thats the i want to raise
[02:40] <pradeda> i can access terminal
[02:40] <pradeda> how to remove fglrx
[02:40] <pradeda> or something
[02:47] <gott3rfunk3n83> Hey
[02:48] <pradeda> trt cu ga rusim
[02:49] <gott3rfunk3n83> Wh?
[02:49] <pradeda> just like that
[02:49] <pradeda> trt
[02:50] <schumar> Evening. I just replaced my Dell XPS 13 9343's Broadcom wifi card with an Intel 7265. On boot-up, wireless doesn't work. How do I seek new drivers for the wifi card on Ubuntu?
[02:52] <snowkidind> plug it in to the router?
[02:53] <snowkidind> usb drive from another machine?
[02:53] <schumar> I'm accessing the internet on it now via ethernet. I'm not sure how to look up the Intel driver in the Ubuntu/Debian repos.
[02:54] <snowkidind> go to their website and see if they have ubuntu/linux drivers
[02:54] <snowkidind> downoad and install
[02:54] <schumar> Others have reported that the card works out-of-the-box, so I'm assuming there are drivers that automatically install upon a fresh *buntu installation from the repos, but I'm not sure how to access them from an already installed system.
[02:55] <snowkidind> did you try apt-get update apt-get upgrade?
[02:55] <schumar> Yes.
[02:57] <ubuntu142> Hi there. I'm on Ubuntu 14.04 attempting to install Steam but getting dependecy errors I can't seem to correct, even with the solutions that most people find work online. http://pastebin.com/3Yx6XsJ1
[02:57] <ubuntu142> I've attempted installing the utopic versions, but get even more dependency errors.
[02:57] <bazhang> !steam | ubuntu142
[02:58] <ubuntu142> Ah, thanks.
[02:58] <bazhang>  /join #ubuntu-steam  ubuntu142
[02:58] <snowkidind> sorry schumar. i dunno. try the troubleshooter… https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-troubleshooting.html
[02:58] <wileee> schumar, Funny thing is that laptop with that wifi is listed as certified in ubuntu  http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201410-15915/
[02:59] <schumar> Yeah wileee, some versions of that laptop shipped with the Intel card, but mine came with an inferior Broadcom card.
[02:59] <schumar> I'm not sure why they stopped putting the Intel cards in them.
[03:00] <wileee> schumar, Yeah, I figured as such, that seems like key web search info but sounds like you've looked.
[03:06] <teaearlgraycold> So I'm new to compiling tarballs - I /think/ I have all of the necessary dependancies for this project, but I have a shit ton of undefined references once I run make
[03:07] <teaearlgraycold> What would that be indicative of? There aren't any headers the compiler complained about not being able to find
[03:07] <teaearlgraycold> https://github.com/lynks--/lifebar - What I'm trying to build for reference
[03:08] <bazhang> install build-essential yet teaearlgraycold , also no cursing here
[03:08] <teaearlgraycold> Yup, already got it, and sure, no problem
[03:09] <teaearlgraycold> The undefined refs are for cairo and X stuff - but I checked and I do have libx11-dev and cairo2 dev
[03:13] <bazhang> http://ubuntuapk.com/down_APK_Life-Bar_Ubuntu.html was this the one teaearlgraycold
[03:14] <teaearlgraycold> bazhang, what? I got it from github
[03:15] <teaearlgraycold> It's meant for use with i3. That site looks like a virus hub
[03:16] <bazhang> teaearlgraycold, thats nonsensical
[03:16] <teaearlgraycold> Okay I'm pretty sure you're trolling me now
[03:16] <bazhang> teaearlgraycold, is life bar on that site the one you wish, the apk, or not
[03:17] <mikegryo> Anyone feel like helping me get an internet connection on new Ubuntu Server, or should I just post on forums?
[03:18] <LambdaComplex> Does Ubuntu Server use systemd?
[03:18] <mikegryo> No
[03:20] <teaearlgraycold> bazhang, apk's have nothing to do with ubuntu, that's not the software I'm looking for, and that's not the developer who makes the software I'm trying ot build
[03:21] <teaearlgraycold> That's also one of the most shady sites I've ever seen
[03:21] <sdhjtrmenyobwtce> Ubuntu sucks. Unity is a memory hog. Ubuntu is slow and come with almost no preinstalled programs that Linux Mint does, like Chrome Remote Desktop, Wine, and other useful things.
[03:21] <teaearlgraycold> sdhjtrmenyobwtce, please leave
[03:21] <Flannel> ShooterMG: Hi. This channel is for Ubuntu-related technical support, please take discussion about Ubuntu to #ubuntu-offtopic, thanks.
[03:21] <Flannel> meh.
[03:21] <sdhjtrmenyobwtce> ok
[03:21] <sdhjtrmenyobwtce> Sorry
[03:22] <sdhjtrmenyobwtce> Have a grand day! :D
[03:22] <Flannel> ShooterMG: Please ignore that
[03:28] <ams0596> hey
[03:28] <ams0596> i need help
[03:28] <Halfwit> Go ahead and describe your issue to the channel.
[03:29] <Halfwit> You've no need to ask permission, this channel's existence is permission enough.
[03:30] <ams0596> ok so i am trying to restore two ipads with icloud lockout via idevicerestore and it is telling me "ERROR: Invalid archive ERROR: Unable to extract BuildManifest from detect"
[03:31] <ams0596> how do i fix???
[03:31] <ams0596> ????
[03:33] <ams0596> ok so i am trying to restore two ipads with icloud lockout via idevicerestore and it is telling me "ERROR: Invalid archive ERROR: Unable to extract BuildManifest from detect"
[03:39] <ams0596> ok so i am trying to restore two ipads with icloud lockout via idevicerestore and it is telling me "ERROR: Invalid archive ERROR: Unable to extract BuildManifest from detect" any ideas how to fix??
[03:45] <greenride> Is it possible to have workspace switching operate independently on each monitor?
[03:54] <snowkidind> heres one. i copied a bunch of files from an apple. all of them have unwanted resource forks that start with ._ i want to recursively remove them but rm -r ._* does not work
[03:55] <snowkidind> so the files are *_afile and folder/*_afile etc
[04:31] <surgy> hello
[04:31] <hal9000> hello
[04:32] <surgy> so if i make a persistant lubuntu on a 16gb flash drive i can boot into it whenever and it will be the exact same as it was last time i logged out of it?
[04:34] <hal9000> surgy: yes
[04:35] <hal9000> though it's usually not recommended since flash drives don't handle writes as hardily (decreases lifespan)
[04:35] <surgy> hal9000, to what extent?
[04:35] <surgy> 50% of their life?
[04:36] <surgy> hal9000, i just want a fool proof way of using my computer no matter where i am or what i do to my software environment
[04:36] <Hagglebutton> I am trying to make a launcher for a web page using chromium. The problem that I am having now is that the icon when the web page is opened don't match the icon that I set to the .desktop file.
[04:37] <hal9000> surgy: probably nothign to worry about. i still have my first flash drive from 10 years ago. not enough to worry considering prices
[04:37] <wileee> surgy, You can do it, but it's not as simple as a live on a flash.
[04:38] <surgy> wileee, so i cant just use unetbootin?
[04:38] <surgy> hal9000, yeah i gave $7 for this 16gb just now
[04:38] <hal9000> Hagglebutton: you mean the favicon? maybe the site has a HD favicon you can use
[04:39] <hal9000> surgy: boot up a live cd and you can install to flash. it's pretty simple. i did it years ago on mint
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[04:39] <Hagglebutton> hal9000, The .desktop file has a png, but when I open it, it uses the chromium icon.
[04:39] <SchrodingersScat> !spam | TheTime
[04:40] <surgy> hal9000, so i cant do this with unetbootin? or graphicly inside of my kde?
[04:40] <SchrodingersScat> unetbootin would let you use persistence, different than an install
[04:41] <hal9000> Hagglebutton: should be able to change the .desktop's icon to any you can find
[04:41] <surgy> SchrodingersScat, persistence is my settings and my drivers and installed software? im worried about messing up my grub i have grub installed perfectly where i want it. and i dont want to unplug my internal drives.
[04:42] <Hagglebutton> hal9000, I did, the .desktop file has the icon that I want, but when I open it it uses the chromium icon instead.
[04:42] <hal9000> surgy: yes, you can. you'd have to use a CD installer or boot from a flash drive and install to the other
[04:43] <hal9000> Hagglebutton: maybe this helps: https://askubuntu.com/questions/16164/how-does-one-change-the-chromium-icon-automatically-after-updating
[04:43] <surgy> hal9000, but then it will try to install grub right? and could potentially destroy my grub install on my kde ssd
[04:43] <SchrodingersScat> surgy: persistence is a liveusb thing, it gives space that the liveusb can store settings and changes. If you do an actual install to the flashdrive is when you'd worry about grub, and yeah unplugging the internal would be the sure way to make sure it wasn't botched, but really so long as you pay attention you should be fine, i believe there's a setting for where to grub
[04:44] <hal9000> surgy: just make sure it installs grub to your flash drive. best case, unplug all your hdd/sdd's
[04:44] <Hagglebutton> hal9000, That is going to change the icon of chromium, not the icon of my launcher.
[04:44] <surgy> yeah i think ill just do a persistent live usb
[04:44] <Hagglebutton> hal9000, I set StartupWMClass to a different value for the window with the page not be grouped with chromium.
[04:45] <surgy> is there a way to make a live usb with multiple flavors of buntu? like a live cd that can install ubuntu kubuntu and lubuntu ?
[04:47] <hal9000> surgy: i'm pretty sure you can, you'd just have to spend plenty of time reading/googling
[04:47] <SchrodingersScat> surgy: multibootusb and yumi say they do this
[04:48] <SchrodingersScat> although grub2 can probably do it just as easy with an iso image?
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[04:51] <user_849AQV4> test
[04:51] <sabotagebeats> test
[04:51] <user_849AQV4> Hello mate
[04:52] <hal9000> anyone else have "redirect loop" issues with netflix streaming on chromium? clearing cookies didn't help. first time trying netflix on linux in a while, thought i'd have no issue
[04:54] <Hagglebutton> I know the icons have a path and can also be referenced by name. How can I add a new Icon with a specific name?
[04:54] <sceadwianj> Anyone familiar with booting to a flash drive? I got boot, but it fails searching for the system partition/
[04:59] <Hagglebutton> How the icons of WMClasses are looked up?
[05:01] <Rad-> For some reason changing .Xresources doesn't change urxvt (sp?) colors?
[05:16] <Rad-> or not
[05:29] <U^1> hi
[05:31] <U^1> I am on ubuntu 14.04 and updated it today. do we have a change from ububntu old runlevel (rc PROGRAM) to new one like systemd?
[05:31] <sceadwian> Anyone have experience with booting linux on a flash drive? I installed Knoppix to a flash drive, it'll boot to it, but won't mount the system partition, can't seem to find the drive after the initial boot.
[05:31] <LonelyDanbo> I can't get wireless enabled on my laptop. I installed Xubuntu 15.05. The keyboard shortcut doesn't do anything. rfkill list shows nothing.
[05:32] <U^1> LonelyDanbo, what would be your WIFI card?
[05:33] <LonelyDanbo> U^1: I don't know. It's a Dell laptop.
[05:33] <thei0173> sceadwian: no partitions mountet either?
[05:33] <U^1> LonelyDanbo, the model please?
[05:33] <LonelyDanbo> U^1: how do I find it?
[05:33] <U^1> LonelyDanbo, or do the lspci.
[05:33] <LonelyDanbo> sec
[05:34] <U^1> LonelyDanbo, and post it on ubuntu pastebin
[05:36] <sceadwian> thei0173 Good question =P I only tried to mount /sdf /sdg the USB drive it's supposed to be booting from. I'm assuming it can mount the local discs.
[05:36] <sceadwian> Basically, after the USB boots, it doesn't seem to see the USB subsystem anymore.
[05:37] <LonelyDanbo> U^1: sorry. It's on the laptop. I have to write it on paper and then re-type it. Might it be Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01 ?
[05:38] <U^1> LonelyDanbo, lspci -k | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:39] <U^1> then give me the link
[05:39] <U^1> LonelyDanbo, sorry lspci -n
[05:39] <U^1> LonelyDanbo, does that laptop connected or not?
[05:40] <LonelyDanbo> U^1: it's not hooked up to the ethernet, no.
[05:41] <U^1> LonelyDanbo,  lspci |grep 'Network controller'
[05:41] <U^1> what does it say?
[05:42] <LonelyDanbo> lspci -n spit out a whole bunch of numbers.
[05:42] <LonelyDanbo> brb. I'll try the other command after I go take a leak.
[05:43] <n18143> hello!
[05:43] <U^1> LonelyDanbo,  lspci |grep 'Network controller'
[05:43] <U^1> do this
[05:45] <n18143> Question: If an NFS storage share has been mounted to a head node, can I share this same share from head node to other nodes? Provided that storage is connected only to the head node? Thank you.
[05:47] <LonelyDanbo> since U^1 left can someone else help me fix my wireless on my laptop?
[05:54] <LonelyDanbo> this old thread from 2011 talks about installing drivers for it but they're not listed in additional drivers.
[05:56] <MikeUnterberg> hi
[05:58] <Maybejojo> how do I find out if this MB can run a 64bit OS?
[05:58] <ObrienDave> check the CPU specs
[05:58] <surgy> Maybejojo, mb?
[05:58] <badbodh> Maybejojo, in terminal 'lscpu'
[05:59] <surgy> is there a list of commands like lsusb lscpu xinput list and other helpfull commands a noob should learn first somewhere?
[06:00] <ObrienDave> man help
[06:00] <badbodh> search engines are your friend. i learn such commands in these channels when folks troubleshoot
[06:01] <Guest25307> hey I just installed xubuntu for the first time, when I use type commands am I supposed to type the $ in?
[06:01] <Maybejojo> OK thanks all lscpu gave 32-bit, 64-bit
[06:02] <ObrienDave> Guest25307, no, that is your user prompt
[06:02] <Guest25307> im trying to install my nvidia drivers, I tried it with and without the $'s and I cant get it to work
[06:02] <Maybejojo> now I am wondering if I can cram 8gigs of RAM in this machine. How can I tell?
[06:03] <ObrienDave> Maybejojo, that would be in your MB specs
[06:03] <Guest25307> like i'll enter sudo apt-get install nvidia-current and nothing happens
[06:03] <badbodh> for that read your mobo's manual Maybejojo
[06:04] <Guest25307> that's supposed to tell me what drivers I have
[06:04] <Maybejojo> ObrienDave, badbodh how do I find out what MB I have?
[06:04] <wileee> Guest25307, have you run an update?
[06:04] <badbodh> Maybejojo, are you on a laptop ?
[06:04] <ObrienDave> Maybejojo, GOOGLE
[06:04] <Maybejojo> badbodh, yes
[06:05] <Guest25307> sudo apt-get update is one of the commands i ran
[06:05] <Guest25307> i'm using this guide http://www.binarytides.com/install-nvidia-drivers-ubuntu-14-04/
[06:05] <badbodh> most laptops have support for 4 gigs only. only high end ones have more capacity. check your manufacturer's website or do some web search
[06:06] <wileee> Guest25307, Look in setings-software & sources in additional drivers.
[06:06] <Maybejojo> ObrienDave, the problem is that it is a Configured To Order machine from Microcenter
[06:06] <badbodh> ObrienDave, stop promoting google :P tell them to duckduckgo themselves
[06:06] <ObrienDave> *face palms*
[06:06] <Maybejojo> badbodh, ^
[06:07] <Guest25307> i clicked additional drivers but nothing happened
[06:07] <LonelyDanbo> I don't know what I need to be doing. I get the impression that I have a driver installed for this wifi card, but it's not the proprietary driver. Do I need the proprietary one?
[06:08] <LonelyDanbo> I found this specifically for my wifi card: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[06:09] <Guest25307> wilee when I click additional drivers nothing happens
[06:09] <LonelyDanbo> why are they talking about version 10 and 12 when the current LTS is 14?
[06:10] <wileee> Guest25307, A driver or the tab of a the gui? Unusual is all.
[06:11] <badbodh> Maybejojo, http://askubuntu.com/questions/179958/how-do-i-find-out-my-motherboard-model
[06:11] <badbodh> first result on web serch
[06:11] <Guest25307> the tab of the gui
[06:11] <Guest25307> if i go into the start menu like thing and type in additional drivers
[06:11] <Guest25307> and double click it
[06:11] <Guest25307> nothing happens
[06:11] <wileee> Guest25307, Are you sure your not on the live again?
[06:11] <Guest25307> on the live?
[06:12] <Guest25307> you mean the live usb?
[06:12] <wileee> Guest25307, you get no response to the search right?
[06:12] <badbodh> Guest25307, run "sudo apt-get install inxi pastebinit" , when done run "inxi -Gx|pastebinit"
[06:12] <Guest25307> well i can search but when i double click additional drivers nothing happens
[06:12] <badbodh> share the url here
[06:13] <Maybejojo> badbodh, Sweet! thank you I will try using duckgo more often ;)
[06:14] <Guest25307> when I do the inxi command it says I already have the latest version
[06:14] <badbodh> ok, run the second one
[06:14] <Guest25307> when i do the Gx| command nothing happens
[06:15] <badbodh> second one will show you a url
[06:15] <snowkidind> question: i have exim configured in my trusty install, i want to just get to my email directly off  of my webserver using the gui how do i do that?
[06:15] <snowkidind> it comes with thunderbird but i dont see how i can point an account to the computer it’s on
[06:16] <Guest25307> nothing happens >.<
[06:16] <Matt_teni> ok guys i need some help. you know when you edit grub file in /etc/default/grub and add like acpi_baclight to control the backlight? how do i force it to use nv_backlight?
[06:16] <badbodh> Guest25307, do you have 'inxi' and 'pastebinit' both installed?
[06:17] <Guest25307> I literally installed linux for the first time an hour ago and this is the first thing I'm trying to do
[06:17] <Matt_teni> i know there is acpi_backlight=vendor but that use Toshiba and it doens't work. i need to fore it to use nv_backlight only
[06:18] <badbodh> Guest25307, just run "inxi -Gx" and paste the output on a pastebin. like dpaste or fpaste
[06:18] <Guest25307> looked through the terminal, it says i have the latest version of both
[06:18] <Guest25307> when i did the first command
[06:18] <Guest25307> theres no output
[06:19] <badbodh> what is your g-card make and model ?
[06:19] <Guest25307> nvidia 765m
[06:20] <badbodh> was it working in windows ?
[06:20] <surgy> how do i change what grub is calling my operating systems? like if i wanted it to say "linux" instead of ubuntu..... also   id like grub to look different.... maybe a background image.... how do i do this?
[06:20] <Guest25307> yeah
[06:20] <Matt_teni> anyone?
[06:21] <Guest25307> yes badbodh
[06:21] <wileee> surgy, The grub 2 manual is on line you might like it.
[06:21] <surgy> wileee, fine :)
[06:21] <wileee> it's pretty conclusive
[06:22] <Guest25307> basically all I want to do right now is use my extra monitors, but when I click display xubuntu freezes and not even the alt+printsc thing fixes it
[06:22] <badbodh> Guest25307, and "additional drivers" app shows nothing ?
[06:22] <Guest25307> so i searched online and found out it might be my graphics drivers
[06:23] <Guest25307> yeah i click additional drivers and nothing happens
[06:23] <snowkidind> how u get a ubuntu out of “suspend?
[06:23] <badbodh> it doesn't open or it lists no drivers ? Guest25307
[06:23] <Guest25307> when I click it the start menu closes
[06:23] <Guest25307> that's all
[06:24] <Guest25307> hey, on the settings popout it has a lock symbol on the bottom right
[06:24] <Guest25307> not sure what that means
[06:24] <badbodh> Guest25307, then reboot and join this chat. we will take it from there.
[06:24] <Guest25307> ok
[06:27] <Refine> hey I'm the guest from earlier having problems with nvidia drivers
[06:27] <Refine> just restarted
[06:27] <badbodh> Guest25307, shoo now. time is money.
[06:27] <badbodh> lol
[06:27] <Refine> ok now it pops up
[06:27] <badbodh> click on it now
[06:28] <Refine> it says no additional drivers available
[06:28] <badbodh> ok close it
[06:29] <badbodh> in terminal run "sudo apt-get update"
[06:29] <Refine> ooh it's doing stuff now
[06:29] <badbodh> say when it finishes without aany error
[06:30] <Refine> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net vivid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A777609328949509
[06:30] <Refine> badbodh
[06:30] <badbodh> ...you said you just installed it. where did a ppa come from ?
[06:31] <Refine> I went ito a guide to try and do this before i came here
[06:31] <badbodh> remove any ppa-s
[06:32] <Refine> how do i do that?
[06:32] <Refine> this is the guide I used http://www.binarytides.com/install-nvidia-drivers-ubuntu-14-04/
[06:32] <badbodh> in control panel look for "software sources"
[06:33] <Refine> how do I get to control panel?
[06:33] <Unrelated> Hello
[06:34] <Refine> did you mean ubuntu software center?
[06:34] <badbodh> Refine, it will be named "settings" or "system settings" in your start menu
[06:34] <badbodh> it should lok like this http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/xfce_settings.png
[06:34] <Refine> ok im at settings and I searched for software
[06:35] <Refine> i have software & updates and software updater
[06:35] <badbodh> 'software and updates'
[06:35] <Refine> kk
[06:36] <badbodh> in second tab "other softwares" remove third party ppas
[06:36] <badbodh> only "canonical" and "independent" repo should be there
[06:37] <badbodh> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Software-Sources_006.png <- keep first 4 entries, remove others below
[06:37] <Refine> what about cdrom:[Xubuntu 15.04_Vervet_- Release amd64...
[06:37] <HoloIRCUser3> Any bundle of security issues we can apply on Ubuntu?
[06:38] <badbodh> you can keep that.
[06:38] <badbodh> leave it 'unticked'
[06:38] <Refine> ok now I just have that and 2 things from canoical partners
[06:39] <badbodh> make sure you have 'canonical partner' and 'independent' ticked
[06:39] <Refine> i don't have independent
[06:39] <badbodh> ok peace
[06:39] <badbodh> close it
[06:39] <badbodh> now in terminal run 'sudo apt-get update' again
[06:40] <Refine> done
[06:40] <Refine> no errors
[06:41] <badbodh> now run 'sudo ubuntu-drivers devices'
[06:41] <badbodh> any output ?
[06:41] <Refine> yeah
[06:42] <Refine> == cpu-microcode.py == driver   : intel-microcode - distro non-free  == /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0 == modalias : pci:v000010DEd000011E1sv00001462sd000010EEbc03sc02i00 vendor   : NVIDIA Corporation model    : GK106M [GeForce GTX 765M] driver   : xserver-xorg-video-nouveau - distro free builtin driver   : nvidia-340 - distro non-free driver   : nvidia-346 - distro non-free recommended driver   : nvidia-346-updates
[06:42] <badbodh> eek, don't paste here. can't make out a thing
[06:42] <badbodh> paste in dpaste.com and share the url
[06:42] <Matt_teni> guys please
[06:43] <Refine> http://pastebin.com/F6Y3FSTq
[06:43] <Matt_teni> how do i force using nv_backlight in grub config?
[06:43] <Unrelated> I am having microphone issues. Would anyone be able (and willing) to assist me?
[06:44] <badbodh> Refine, good, now open up 'additional drivers' it should show the same list
[06:45] <Refine> yeah
[06:45] <Refine> it looks like I have 4 nvidia drivers
[06:45] <badbodh> Unrelated, Matt_teni have patience. as you can see i am alone here right now. i got no answers. wait till some one else shows up
[06:45] <Refine> that might've been from my mistakes earlier
[06:45] <Unrelated> I am in no hurry.
[06:45] <Matt_teni> sorry badbodh
[06:46] <Ben64> Unrelated: sup
[06:46] <Refine> and theres a noueau dislpay driver thats open source
[06:46] <badbodh> Refine, don't add third party ppa-s, they always cause trouble for new users. not every guide on the internet is reliable. consult ubuntu's sources first. wiki, manpages etc.
[06:47] <Refine> alright
[06:48] <badbodh> Refine, now choose appropriate driver for your g-card model. if it is new 346 should work, for ancient cards (before you were born) use 340
[06:48] <Refine> ok
[06:49] <Refine> should I uninstall  the X.org X server nouveau display driver
[06:49] <badbodh> Matt_teni, repeat your question again. Ben64 is online now. Unrelated you too.
[06:50] <Unrelated> Ben?
[06:50] <Matt_teni> I have have troubleshooting my backlight issue and I have managed to nail it down. I need to use nv_backlight as 'default". I don't know what kernal parameter to enter in grub.
[06:51] <Felix0100101> hi
[06:51] <Unrelated> Ben64? The same sassy frood I've known for years?
[06:51] <Matt_teni> when i do echo the backlight files which i have three folder acpi_vidoe0,toshiba and nv_backlight, only nv_backlight works
[06:51] <badbodh> Unrelated, state your issue. details of mic (internal external, make model). any other detail.
[06:52] <Ben64> Unrelated: indeed
[06:52] <badbodh> hello Felix0100101
[06:52] <Unrelated> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, latest Alsa drivers, pulseaudio volume control, all installed and working
[06:53] <Unrelated> I'm using a SoundBlaster Audigy2 Platinum Soundcard.
[06:53] <Unrelated> My microphone is detected by the hardware.
[06:53] <Unrelated> However, no sound is coming through my mic.
[06:54] <Unrelated> The microphone works perfectly as I can hear my voice through the speakers.
[06:54] <Ben64> so you can't record?
[06:54] <Unrelated> However, neither Ubuntu nor any app or program is recognizing my voice.
[06:55] <Unrelated> I can't even chat.
[06:55] <Unrelated> So in essence, yeah, i can't record. there is no input being recognized.
[06:57] <badbodh> Matt_teni, i don't own toshiba, not sure where to start. ask your question when more folks show up. also try #linux channel
[06:58] <Refine> I got my external displays to work!! thanks a million
[06:58] <Matt_teni> no need to know toshiba badbodh do you know the parameters which goes in after quite "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash quiet" which would force to use nv_backlight?
[06:58] <bender|> I still can't get the virtual keyboard away from my login screen.
[06:58] <Matt_teni> badbodh,
[06:58] <bender|> And this is irritating because I can't log in to Unity, as the virtual keyboard covers half (or even more than that) UI list on the login screen.
[06:58] <Matt_teni> i tried acpi_osi=, acpi_osi=linux, video_use.backlight.native=1, none of them are using nv_backlight
[06:58] <bender|> Anyway to load unity from lightdm?
[06:58] <bender|> (Through the command line)
[06:59] <badbodh> Matt_teni, all i know is that "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX = <something>" not GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT :P
[06:59] <wileee> bender|, sudo service lightdm start
[06:59] <Matt_teni> ok what can i add on grub_cmd_linux= badbodh i need to force it to use nv_backlight. so when i do ls /sys/class/backlight, i dont see nv_bcklight on it
[06:59] <Matt_teni> damn i have to go
[06:59] <Matt_teni> catchup with you guys later
[07:00] <badbodh> ok Matt_teni will keep digging
[07:00] <bender|> wileee, I've quite a few UIs, and I'm currently IRCing from cinnamon, since 'C' comes first, so the virtual keyboard doesn't cover that. lol
[07:01] <bender|> Wait I don't think i'm describing my problem correctly.
[07:01] <Unrelated> heh
[07:01] <wileee> bender|, I can't decipher that honestly.
[07:02] <badbodh> Unrelated, in what applications are you having mic issue? most of them need you to specify input device in settings
[07:03] <Unrelated> TBH, I haven't tried an app yet, as my microphone doesn't even register on the test page.
[07:04] <Unrelated> So you know when you open up Volume Control, you can select your input device? and then there's the orange bars? yeah, mine don't move.
[07:04] <badbodh> Unrelated, run 'alsamixer' in terminal, press F4 to list input devices only. take a screenshot and upload on postimage.org site
[07:04] <badbodh> share url here
[07:08] <bender|> http://i.imgur.com/HDuGXAB.jpg
[07:08] <bender|> ^That virtual keyboard is a nuisance.
[07:09] <Unrelated> http://postimg.org/image/bhqyb86pn/b319264b/
[07:09] <Unrelated> Sorry it took so long.
[07:10] <wileee> bender|, Have you from a tty logged in?
[07:11] <bender|> wileee, Elaborate?
[07:11] <badbodh> bender|, on top right you see 'humanoid' icon? click on it, turn off virtual keyboard. choose unity. turn it on again.
[07:12] <wileee> bender|, ctrl-alt-f1 log in than run the lightdm command I gace you.
[07:12] <wileee> gave
[07:12] <badbodh> Unrelated, your input volume is past 100% :D i can't see any issues there. stick around, maybe somebody got an answer.
[07:13] <bender|> badbodh, wileee, Will try.
[07:13] <wileee> either should work
[07:19] <Unrelated> I've got an alsa output if anyone is good with this sort of thing.
[07:23] <stef--> good morning
[07:23] <stef--> i need help
[07:24] <stef--> i have a crossover cable.. and i use it..for -> pc-router.. (i dont have  straigth)
[07:24] <stef--> in win the drivers make it like as straigth
[07:24] <stef--> can i make it the same in ubuntu?
[07:26] <t3chguy> Hello, I need to boot my computer from a Linux live usb and it got as far as "EISA bus registered"  and doesn't go any further. Just flashes the underscore. Any ideas?
[07:27] <t3chguy> Hmm apparently hitting enter made it go a little more
[07:27] <Halelujah> Hi!
[07:27] <Halelujah> Just installed Lubuntu and i get wierd looking notices
[07:28] <Tzunamii> Put some lipstick and a wig on them and they might look better
[07:29] <Halelujah> i get lines trough them
[07:29] <EVEREST_007> How can i set folder background in Linux Mint17
[07:33] <badbodh> EVEREST_007, join mint channels traitor
[07:33] <badbodh> Halelujah, screenshots help
[07:33] <Halelujah> how to make one?
[07:34] <Unrelated> dangit. I tried doing an amixer output, but everything seems to be set to 0, so I guess I'm using pulse audio?
[07:35] <aj_> can anyone tell me about ppa
[07:35] <badbodh> Halelujah, install 'pinta' : sudo apt-get install pinta
[07:35] <aj_> m  trying to download hexchat it says ppa error!!!
[07:35] <badbodh> then launch pinta , "new > screenshot" from menu
[07:35] <badbodh> Unrelated, pulseaudio is like an 'agent', it will play your stuff through alsa
[07:36] <Unrelated> hrm.
[07:37] <aj_> can anyone tell me about ppa?
[07:37] <Halelujah> badboodh ok.
[07:37] <aj_> m  trying to download hexchat it says ppa error!!!
[07:39] <aj_> badbodh:  can anyone tell me about ppa?
[07:39] <aj_> m  trying to download hexchat it says ppa error!!!
[07:40] <badbodh> aj_, don;t use ppa. remove them from 'software and updates' > second tab.
[07:40] <badbodh> then do 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get install hexchat'
[07:40] <aj_> how to do that
[07:41] <aj_> m  new to ubuntu and learning
[07:41] <badbodh> open system settings.
[07:41] <aj_> ok
[07:42] <badbodh> 'software and updates'
[07:42] <badbodh> last row
[07:42] <Halelujah> badboodh i also dont have sound :(
[07:43] <badbodh> Halelujah, one isue at a time.
[07:43] <badbodh> Halelujah, upload your screenshot in postimage.org site, share url here
[07:44] <Halelujah> badboodh ok
[07:44] <badbodh> lemme see your 'weird notifications'
[07:44] <aj_> badbodh: m using ubuntu on dual boot
[07:45] <badbodh> aj_, irrelevant. did you open software & updates ?
[07:45] <viju> Hi
[07:45] <aj_> no i  cant\
[07:46] <aj_> its software update
[07:46] <aj_> its software updater
[07:46] <viju> I am trying to download a software, it's huge, around 4GB. I want to use wget or axel but I am not sure how to make it work. The link gives error if I use wget/axel.
[07:46] <Halelujah> check
[07:46] <badbodh> aj_, open 'system settings'
[07:47] <badbodh> Halelujah, screenshot done? upload it on postimage.org
[07:47] <aj_> badbodh: tell  me the procedure to open it by cmd
[07:48] <Halelujah> badboodh, http://s3.postimg.org/iqw3m3ycz/wierd.jpg
[07:49] <badbodh> Halelujah, `theme problem. change theme.
[07:49] <badbodh> i don;t use lubuntu, but their should be some option to change notification theme. if not, change the gtk theme itself.
[07:49] <aj_> badbodh: tell  me the procedure to open it by cmd
[07:49] <badbodh> *there
[07:50] <gott3rfunk3n83> hey
[07:50] <gott3rfunk3n83> people here?
[07:50] <badbodh> aj_, run 'unity-control-center'
[07:50] <gott3rfunk3n83> nya
[07:50] <Halelujah> badbodh ok
[07:51] <aj_> badbodh: there they tell unity control center has not been installed!!
[07:51] <Halelujah> thanks it fixed isssue
[07:51] <badbodh> aj_, which version of ubuntu are you using ?
[07:51] <Halelujah> Can you help me to fix sound?
[07:51] <aj_> 14.04\
[07:51] <aj_> gnome
[07:52] <Halelujah> I use latest. I need to restart
[07:52] <gott3rfunk3n83> sound driver
[07:52] <badbodh> Halelujah, aj_ join channels relevant to your ubuntu flavor for better help > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[07:52] <aj_> it has been installed by one of my faculty
[07:52] <badbodh> that's #ubuntu-gnome and #lubuntu
[07:54] <badbodh> aj_, then run 'gnome-control-center', always mention your ubuntu version when asking question. by default we assume ubuntu(unity) flavor.
[07:54] <Halelujah> hi im back
[07:54] <aj_> anyway when i typed sudo apt get update it says   gpg error
[07:54] <badbodh> don't add ppas, they will cause trouble
[07:54] <Halelujah> hi adbodh
[07:54] <Halelujah> :)
[07:55] <badbodh> run gnome-control-center aj_ , open 'software and updates'
[07:55] <badbodh> yes Halelujah
[07:55] <aj_> ya it open new box then?
[07:56] <badbodh> aj_, second tab
[07:56] <aj_> means?
[07:56] <aj_> its gives varios option like blutooth color setting etc
[07:56] <badbodh> aj_, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Software-Sources_006.png <- go there
[07:56] <badbodh> 'other software'
[07:57] <badbodh> untick all entries other than 'canonical' ones
[07:57] <aj_> no such option
[07:58] <U^1> guys ia oast openvpn software safe to use?
[07:58] <aj_> got it
[07:58] <aj_> but by some other way
[07:58] <badbodh> aj_, you first have to 'click' on 'software and updates' icon
[07:58] <aj_> next?
[07:59] <aj_> there you have clicked on add?
[07:59] <badbodh> that's some pic on the internet, ignore the circles
[07:59] <aj_> ok
[08:00] <aj_> it gaves same option
[08:00] <badbodh> make sure only 'canonical' entries are ticked. untick all others.
[08:01] <badbodh> *canonical and independent entries sorry.
[08:02] <aj_> ftp videolan is also there
[08:02] <badbodh> untick
[08:02] <badbodh> why did you add so many ppa-s needlessly
[08:02] <badbodh> vlc hexchat all are available in repository by default
[08:02] <gott3rfunk3n83> i want to use vidalia on ubuntu but its not working on packages. can anyone help?
[08:02] <aj_> postgre is also there but it is been used in rails devlopment
[08:03] <gott3rfunk3n83> like an updated ppa. for vidalia
[08:04] <badbodh> aj_, listen kid. if you add ppa make sure you add their gpg keys too. visit the ppa-s launchpad.net page for instructions.
[08:04] <ikonia> gott3rfunk3n83: if a PPA package isn't working, the best thing to do is talk to /work through the problem with the PPA maintainer
[08:04] <ikonia> they know the software they build, and what it's meant to work with
[08:04] <aj_> revert
[08:04] <badbodh> aj_, if you can't add keys, don;t use ppas.
[08:04] <aj_> ok
[08:04] <aj_> after that
[08:05] <xapa> hey
[08:05] <xapa> anyone active ??
[08:06] <aj_> badbodh: now can i  run sudo apt-get update
[08:06] <ikonia> many people
[08:07] <aj_> badbodh: now can i  run sudo apt-get update?
[08:13] <xapa> \disconnect
[08:13] <xapa> \exit
[08:13] <aj_> badbodh: now can i  run sudo apt-get update?
[08:17] <Dro__> i'm looking for a html/css editor that display color when using a color code #somecolor ... any suggestion ?
[08:17] <aj_> nobody is here
[08:17] <aj_> suck
[08:18] <Halelujah> badbodh hi can you help me to fix sound issue?
[08:18] <carlosthejackal> what kind of sound issue?
[08:18] <Halelujah> carlosthejackal hi, i have no sound, no sound icon after latest lubuntu clean install
[08:19] <carlosthejackal> what motherboard?
[08:19] <Halelujah> hmm
[08:19] <Halelujah> i dont know i use hp compaq 6715s notebook
[08:19] <carlosthejackal> go to the manufacturer site and look for the linux driver.
[08:20] <usernew> hello, how can I save a wifi connection so when I restart the pc connects automatically via command line? I am running ubuntu from command line
[08:21] <ikonia> don't use the command line
[08:21] <ikonia> use the network manager gui
[08:21] <ikonia> network manager will manage your wireless connection quick and easy
[08:21] <carlosthejackal> once you connect to a network it should connect you automatically every time
[08:22] <usernew> ikonia: I am not running xserver. I can only run it from command line for the intended purpose
[08:22] <ikonia> then you'll have to setup a card and network definition
[08:22] <usernew> ikonia: yes, I am aware of that but idk how to save the password
[08:23] <ikonia> there is documentation about how to setup network definition/config in the ubuntu server guide
[08:23] <ikonia> the password is saved in the config file
[08:23] <ikonia> some AP's will allow you to do it via certs, rather than a password, that maybe better than storing a password in a config file
[08:23] <Halelujah> carlosthejackal they have only linux drivers
[08:23] <Halelujah> i mean windows
[08:25] <Halelujah> i think i have ADI Soundmax sound card
[08:27] <Halelujah> anyone can help me?
[08:28] <cfhowlett> !sound | Halelujah
[08:28] <carlosthejackal> haleluha go here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1500847
[08:28] <carlosthejackal> common issue with that sound card
[08:31] <Halelujah> carlosthejackal thanks ill try to fix
[08:31] <carlosthejackal> you will find the commands there for terminal for  your card
[08:34] <DarkMat> Hi, I need a L2TP/IPsec client working on Ubuntu. I have tested several with no success. Thanks.
[08:35] <ikonia> the ones in the repos all work
[08:37] <DarkMat> I can connect from Android and Windows but not from Ubuntu, using the closest parameters possible
[08:39] <Halelujah> hi
[08:40] <badbodh> i am back!
[08:46] <lamppid> Maybe anybody to know free working vpn server?
[08:46] <cfhowlett> lamppid, ask #linux
[08:46] <lamppid> ok, thanks
[08:46] <rory> lamppid: We just set up one at work using Openswan https://www.openswan.org/
[08:47] <rory> oh
[08:50] <DarkMat> lamppid, Softether
[08:50] <DarkMat> Ok, he left
[08:57] <carlosthejackal_> Good night
[09:01] <Halelujah> i still cant fix my sound problem :(
[09:04] <Halelujah> Can someone help me please to fix sound issue?
[09:04] <Halelujah> :?
[09:04] <Halelujah> :/
[09:07] <zetheroo> is it ok if I ask a question here about a wifi issue even though I am using Mint?
[09:08] <eva-unit-001> evening everyone, Do you guys some quick advice or links for learning Python, Im running UbuntuMate 15 as of now and before, slack and open.
[09:08] <ikonia> no
[09:08] <ikonia> zetheroo: you've used this channel many times - you know it's policies
[09:08] <ikonia> eva-unit-001: try the python channel
[09:08] <zetheroo> I thought Mint was close enough to Ubuntu that it may be ok
[09:08] <ikonia> zetheroo: no, it's not
[09:08] <zetheroo> nobody is answering in the mint channel :P
[09:09] <ikonia> zetheroo: this channel only supports ubuntu, as you know
[09:09] <ikonia> zetheroo: not this channels problem
[09:09] <zetheroo> ok
[09:09] <Halelujah> 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
[09:09] <eva-unit-001> Whoa, Its all Linux, why would that be a problem? and thank you for the source. I will check it out.
[09:09] <Halelujah> it does recognize my sound card
[09:09] <eva-unit-001> Thanks guys.
[09:10] <cfhowlett> !flavors | eva-unit-001, this is not #linux.  this is ubuntu.  official ubuntu is supported.  not official ubuntu?  not supported.
[09:10] <badbodh> zetheroo, i didn't see you on linuxmint channels
[09:10] <badbodh> join and ask again
[09:11] <zetheroo> badbodh: ok ...
[09:12] <Halelujah> badbodh, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12096198/
[09:13] <zetheroo>  badbodh: I am asking for you in the ##linuxmint channel ...
[09:13] <Halelujah> WHen i do "sudo aplay -l" i get: aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found...
[09:14] <badbodh> zetheroo, linuxmint channels aren't on freenode. connect to irc.spotchat.org and /join #linuxmint-help
[09:15] <Halelujah> Im going to install pulseaudio
[09:15] <badbodh> your hexchat should be preconfigured to join those channels if you really use mint
[09:15] <zetheroo> oh?
[09:15] <bekks> Halelujah: Why was it uninstalled at all?
[09:16] <Halelujah> bekks i installed Fresh and clean latest Lubuntu and it was without it
[09:16] <Halelujah> Dont ask me why please
[09:16] <bekks> Halelujah: ah, yeah. Lubuntu is the only derivate which doesnt ship pulseaudio by default.
[09:16] <Halelujah> why so?!
[09:16] <ikonia> I didn't know that
[09:17] <badbodh> Halelujah, did you ask in #lubuntu ?
[09:17] <bekks> Halelujah: Default choice of packages.
[09:17] <zetheroo> badbodh: I am on hexchat :)
[09:17] <Halelujah> badbodh they're pretty idle there
[09:17] <Halelujah> bekks that's strange isn't it?
[09:17] <bekks> Halelujah: I dont think so, no.
[09:18] <Halelujah> So after i've installed pulseaudio should i restart?
[09:21] <beejoomboom> i am trying to run this dummy command-       "    sudo echo "coco" > /var/log/zaza.txt     " on a file I just created using "sudo nano" but it will not allow writing to it in this manner because of permissions
[09:21] <beejoomboom> Do you have any idea why that may be/
[09:22] <beejoomboom> ?
[09:22] <ikonia> because of the redirect
[09:22] <ikonia> sudo is only doing the echo
[09:22] <ikonia> not the redirect
[09:23] <beejoomboom> Do you know how I can use sudo for the redirect as well?
[09:23] <DalekSec> So, echo foo | sudo tee /var/log/foo  would be one option.
[09:23] <Halelujah_> hi
[09:23] <beejoomboom> What is tee in this example?
[09:23] <Halelujah_> Sound still not working :(
[09:24] <Halelujah_> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[09:24] <beejoomboom> Thank you DalekSec
[09:25] <DalekSec> beejoomboom: Copies stdout to the file, biggest difference is you'll still see it as it's not removed from stdout.
[09:25] <beejoomboom> Nice
[09:26] <beejoomboom> Thank you very much
[09:26] <DalekSec> Sure thing.
[09:26] <badbodh> Halelujah_, your issue is really lubuntu specific. not sure how many here can fix your issue. do try every once in a while.
[09:26] <Halelujah_> lubuntu and ubuntu aren't diffrenet
[09:26] <badbodh> i've used other distros too. pulseaudio is always up and running
[09:27] <badbodh> Halelujah_, they use the same base packages and repositories. but on top of that, pretty different. maybe you got some missing package, or something wrongly configured by default (not your fault)
[09:28] <Halelujah_> it's definetly not my fault
[09:28] <Halelujah_> :/
[09:28] <badbodh> you can use live-usb of another ubuntu based distro like xubuntu or linuxmint and check your sound.
[09:29] <badbodh> if your sound works, ditch lubuntu.
[09:29] <zetheroo> ok, so the issue I am having in Mint with slow wifi data transfer rates I am also seeing in Ubuntu with another Intel wifi chipset ...
[09:30] <zetheroo> looking online there seems to be a fair bit mentioned about this symptom - but the "fixes" are hit-n-miss ...
[09:31] <ikonia> can we take the mint discussion out of here please
[09:31] <Halelujah_> badodh im sure sound works on other distros
[09:32] <Halelujah_> But i'm using Lubuntu for a reason
[09:32] <rightnow> I have a problem with systemd on 15.04: http://pastebin.com/aMqFTsti
[09:33] <rightnow> Im a n00b at linux in general
[09:34] <badbodh> Halelujah_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[09:35] <badbodh> Halelujah_, read this too https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Setup
[09:38] <Halelujah_> badbodh, hi. Here's what fixed my issue - installing pulseaudio and pulseaudio-utils
[09:38] <badbodh> ah good then. pulseaudio for the win.
[09:39] <Halelujah_> yeah
[09:40] <Halelujah_> Thanks :)
[09:55] <bk67> Does Ubuntu have NSA backdoors?
[09:56] <ikonia> bk67: nothing known
[10:06] <antonio_> ciao
[10:06] <antonio_> !list
[10:09] <henry__> yo!
[10:11] <henry__> yo!
[10:11] <ikonia>  you said that already
[10:13] <henry__> So..
[10:13] <Guest38018> hello
[10:14] <matteotheonlyone> is anybody there?
[10:14] <ikonia> over 1500 are in this channel
[10:19] <Halelujah> Hi, can anyone name a good gui text editor?
[10:20] <bekks> Halelujah: gvim
[10:21] <torelulz> Halelujah: gedit
[10:21] <wotan147> anyone knows what it means to have an error with " Protocol http not supported or disabled in libcurl" on a server when doing sudo apt-get update ?
[10:22] <ikonia> it means it can't talk to the server on http
[10:22] <torelulz> or sublime, Halelujah
[10:22] <Halelujah> sublime looks cool
[10:23] <wotan147> ikonia, okay but I have the "curl" packag installed in latest version (7.35.1)  I am using trusty
[10:23] <wotan147> and for other server, it is working, so I don't understand why not this one
[10:23] <wotan147> guilty server is "deb http://download.mendeley.com/apt stable main"
[10:28] <ikonia> that server doesn't support http ?
[10:28] <Mailaender> Halelujah: http://kate-editor.org/
[10:28] <wotan147> ikonia, I guess it does because it has been automatically added in the source.list when installing this "mendeley software"
[10:29] <wotan147> moreover , probably realted when i laumch the software, it ask me for username and password to connect to my online account. And there it says "ssl handshake failed"
[10:30] <monsune> does anyone know what happens to the filesystem when you manually delete a 300GB sparse file of some vm? no extra free space appeared after that and i'm somehow worried
[10:31] <ikonia> wotan147: don't guess - check if it does
[10:31] <bekks> monsune: A sparse file can have a physical size of 0 bytes.
[10:32] <monsune> bekks yes i know but in this case it wasn't... it was filled to 90% with data in vm
[10:32] <wotan147> ikonia, how to do ?
[10:33] <bekks> monsune: So you deleted a file in your vm - and then you checked where and what which makes you think the spaced used wasnt freed up?
[10:33] <monsune> bekks i wiped those data clean before deleting .raw file but afaik spare files never shrink thus i should get my free space back after deleting it... and it never happened, df still reports same amount of free space
[10:33] <monsune> i mean i removed the sparse .raw (hard disk image) on host
[10:34] <monsune> expecting to have 300GB of extra free space after that while it never happened
[10:34] <bekks> monsune: And the answer to my question?
[10:35] <monsune> bekks could you please rephrase the question?
[10:36] <monsune> or i could just briefly start from scratch: i had a 300GB sparse file created on host, i loaded that 300GB hard disk with data in my vm, then i wiped that hard disk clean in vm, then i removed the sparse file manually on host and my 300GB never got back
[10:37] <Newbie753> {0}
[10:37] <monsune> so i wonder what happened to the free space and do i face a filesystem corruption or is that normal because i never used a proxmox tool to remove the .raw
[10:38] <bekks> monsune: You deleted a file in your guest: where did you run df to see wether space freed up?
[10:38] <monsune> bekks i didn't delete a file in guest because the file was a virtual hard disk for that guest
[10:38] <Newbie235> {0}
[10:38] <Mailaender> {0}
[10:38] <bekks> monsune: So you deleted a file on your host?
[10:38] <monsune> i deleted it on host machine and that's where i checked df
[10:38] <monsune> yes
[10:39] <monsune> i just didn't use proxmox web portal for that
[10:39] <monsune> didn't know that it could make any difference
[10:39] <bekks> monsune: So did you restart the proxmox services?
[10:39] <ikonia> Newbie235: / Mailaender could you remove your bots please,
[10:39] <monsune> never did
[10:39] <bekks> monsune: How do you ensure that there is no open file handle left for that file?
[10:39] <monsune> bekks honestly i didn't think about that at all
[10:40] <AEL-H> I am trying to access a https page with wget, but the output of wget is just returning a blank login screen.
[10:40] <Newbie235> not a bot, but an in-game IRC client for #openra currently stress testing a room with many chatters, sorry didn't want to disturb (the game runs on Ubuntu btw!)
[10:40] <AEL-H> Does anyone know what the problem might be?
[10:40] <bekks> AEL-H: You need to log in.
[10:40] <monsune> bekks what would be my best bet to make sure about that?
[10:40] <bekks> monsune: "< bekks> monsune: So did you restart the proxmox services?" :)
[10:40] <AEL-H> sorry, I have used --http-user and --ask-password
[10:40] <matytiahu> exit
[10:41] <monsune> bekks never because i have no idea what should be restarted and if anything should :) seriously
[10:41] <monsune> bekks i have other vms running and crunching stuff so i'm a bit scared of restarting anything
[10:41] <ikonia> Newbie235: if you could take it out of this channel pelase
[10:41] <Mailaender> sure thing
[10:42] <ikonia> thank you
[10:43] <monsune> bekks but the fact is that once i deleted another virtual hard disk via proxmox panel - the space was claimed back (some 80GB drive this time) so definetly proxmox does something else than simply wiping the .raw especially as it took a while, like 2 mins
[10:48] <monsune> bekks how do i check if the file is open by any process while that file is gone?
[10:50] <vrkansagara1> ha
[10:50] <vrkansagara1> ha
[10:50] <vrkansagara> ha
[10:50] <vrkansagara> haha
[10:51] <demonlove_> hello after downloading pligin  do i  need to sudoapt-get update
[10:51] <bithul> hi
[10:51] <wotan147> wtf does it mean to have this after sudo apt-get update :"Duplicate sources.list entry http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/restricted i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/de.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty_restricted_binary-i386_Packages)"
[10:51] <vrkansagara> demonlove_:  yes
[10:51] <vrkansagara> bithul:  hi
[10:51] <vrkansagara> wotan147: just remove all lists And try it again
[10:51] <demonlove_> sudo apt-get upadate does what in reallity?
[10:52] <monsune> bekks you still there? i got some interesting stuff:
[10:52] <monsune> kvm       169958  169981       root   17u      REG                9,4 322122547200   13631500  (deleted)/var/lib/vz/images/405/vm-405-disk-3.raw
[10:52] <vrkansagara> demonlove_:  It will update you system with latest lib.
[10:52] <monsune> wtf is going on... the file is deleted but still "in use" by kvm?
[10:52] <bithul> hello what are you talkin about
[10:54] <wotan147> vrkansagara all lists from where? from the sources.list file? but then it will not update anything anymore?
[10:54] <MonkeyDust> bithul  this is the ubuntu support channel
[10:55] <monsune> omg 1600+ people in the channel and no help
[10:55] <bithul> thank you i was confused
[10:55] <monsune> what happened to this place?
[10:55] <demonlove_> everyone naive
[10:55] <vrkansagara> wotan147:  just remove the f* all list file and you will be solved with the prob
[10:55] <demonlove_> vituoso spend their time in devlopmet\
[10:55] <bithul> i am from india
[10:56] <monsune> bithul i want to live in india
[10:56] <demonlove_> me too
[10:56] <bithul> how oid are you
[10:56] <demonlove_> orissa
[10:56] <bekks> monsune: That file is still in use by KVM, and a file handle is still open, so deleting that file will just male it disappear, but not actually delete it.
[10:56] <vrkansagara> monsune:  ???
[10:56] <bekks> monsune: Once the last file handle is closed, the file is removed.
[10:56] <monsune> bekks oh so deleting isn't really about deleting
[10:57] <monsune> bekks omg :) that's some cool stuff actually
[10:57] <vrkansagara> my stupid keyboard used other alternative keys than what i expect
[10:57] <bekks> monsune: Deleting is deleting. But you kept using that file when you removed it.
[10:57] <vrkansagara>  ;-)
[10:57] <wotan147> vrkansa located where ? in /var/lib/apt/lists    ?
[10:57] <monsune> bekks so it seems quite normal? i only managed to "disappear" it but rm didn't actually close opened file handle(s)
[10:58] <monsune> bekks trust me i never used that file... it was even removed from the vm via proxmox portal
[10:58] <bekks> monsune: Thats a perfectly normal behaviour. You are responsible for closing all file handles before deleting a file.
[10:58] <bekks> monsune: rm does not remove file handles. rm removes files.
[10:59] <monsune> bekks i "disconnected" the virtual hard disk first and deleted the .raw when it said it was unused
[10:59] <bekks> monsune: And still a file handle is open.
[10:59] <monsune> bekks i'm starting to understand now
[10:59] <Halelujah> My sound is not working again after restart :(
[11:00] <AEL-H> How would I go about hiding all files in a folder on ubuntu from terminal?
[11:00] <monsune> bekks but how bad is it to remove file without closing file handles first? do i face a filesystem corruption?
[11:00] <bekks> monsune: No. You face open file handles.
[11:00] <Halelujah> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
[11:01] <OpenRAirc> AEL-H: Don't, you would have to rename them starting with a .
[11:01] <monsune> bekks is having open file handles bad besides the fact that no free space is reclaimed?
[11:01] <Seveas> monsune: there's no corruption. linux will keep treating the file as if it wasn't deleted, until you close the last file handle. And using some nifty tricks you can even reattach it to the filesystem.
[11:01] <monsune> Seveas many thanks for this explanation
[11:01] <Seveas> monsune: no it's not bad, it's even common practice for safe temprary files :)
[11:02] <monsune> so what would be better? to use some tricks and reattach it to the filesystem and then remove properly or just try to close those handles?
[11:02] <bekks> monsune: df shows wrong values, du shows wrong values, ls shows misleading contents.
[11:02] <sjoshi> Hello, taskwarrior app is still showing the older version in ubuntu repos :(
[11:02] <bekks> monsune: Restart proxmox services to properly release file handles.
[11:02] <monsune> Seveas, bekks so i actually discovered a way to hide files on filesystem level :)
[11:02] <Seveas> monsune: close the handles. Find out which application still has it open with lsof and/or fuser. Then close that application.
[11:02] <bekks> monsune: Thats been suggested quite a time ago.
[11:02] <AEL-H> OpenRAirc: Why not, is there some side-effect that would make that undesirable? I just want to hide some files in a folder so that it is more easily navigatable
[11:02] <Seveas> monsune: indeed!
[11:03] <monsune> bekks i'm scared that it would f*ck up my other vms
[11:03] <bekks> monsune: A safe way to loose data, more likely.
[11:03] <monsune> Seveas how about those tricks? is it hard to do?
[11:03] <Seveas> Halelujah: the pidfile lives in /run/user/*/pulse/pid -- try deleting it and rebooting.
[11:04] <Seveas> monsune: depends on the filesystem. And doing it wrong will cause corruption. So I really shouldn't have mentioned it :)
[11:04] <bekks> monsune: If you dont trust proxmox, then you should redesign your virtualization concept.
[11:04] <monsune> Seveas ok so that's not like bulletproof stuff and not like oneliner to switch data back and forth
[11:05] <Seveas> monsune: affirmative :)
[11:05] <kkk123> hey fags
[11:05] <kkk123> er
[11:05] <kkk123> wrong chan
[11:05] <demonlove_> he he
[11:05] <monsune> bekks i do trust it but i just don't know
[11:05] <kkk123> monsune, ah shut the fuck up u dick sucker
[11:05] <kkk123> u 2 bekks
[11:05] <demonlove_> kkk123
[11:05] <kkk123> ubuntu is for fucking faggots
[11:05] <Halelujah> Seveas i did as you say
[11:05] <Halelujah> Ill restart
[11:05] <kkk123> that dont kno how computer work
[11:05] <bekks> monsune: For all of my virtualization environments I DO KNOW they will survive a reboot.
[11:05] <kkk123> Halelujah, suck this fucking dick before u restart
[11:06] <demonlove_> what?
[11:06] <kkk123> demonlove_, sup qt
[11:06] <kkk123> cc, shut the fuck up
[11:06] <kkk123> wotan147, shut the fuck up
[11:06] <DalekSec> !ops | kkk123
[11:06] <kkk123> fucking queerbags
[11:06] <monsune> thanks DalekSec
[11:06] <kkk123> !ops | DalekSec
[11:06] <kkk123> !ops | DalekSec
[11:06] <kkk123> !ops | DalekSec
[11:06] <kkk123> !ops | DalekSec
[11:06] <kkk123> !ops | DalekSec
[11:06] <bekks> Hahahahaha :)
[11:06] <monsune> that was quick :) as usual in such moron cases
[11:07] <Seveas> don't fall to their level monsune, watch your language.
[11:07] <Guest68898> shut up
[11:07] <monsune> indeed
[11:07] <wotan147> kkk123 shut you the fuck up ;)   (you got a problem?  )
[11:07] <Seveas> wotan147: don't feed the troll.
[11:07] <bekks> Guest68898: wotan147: watch your language please.
[11:07] <monsune> ok ignore on and back on my deleted 300GB file...
[11:07] <Guest68898> shut up is bad? O_O
[11:07] <Seveas> Guest68898: yes, we try to be nice to people :)
[11:08] <Guest68898> ah i meant shut up to the kkk guy
[11:08] <monsune> i just realised that the vm i used to attach that file to is still up, so perhaps that's the problem?
[11:08] <Seveas> monsune: that'll be it.
[11:08] <demonlove_> be the nicest person u  know.
[11:08] <Guest68898> let the demon fall in luv wit u
[11:09] <Seveas> my wife is 37 weeks pregnant. Don't get me started on loving demons :)
[11:09] <Guest68898> congrats!
[11:09] <monsune> Seveas i wish it really solved the problem when i shut it down and my 300GB of free space is reclaimed
[11:09] <monsune> bekks what do you think?
[11:09] <cc> hello everyone,i wonder if anyone knows how to overclock the CPU of raspberry pi 2 in ubuntu mate
[11:09] <Seveas> monsune: sudo lsof | grep that_filename_of_yours_here
[11:09] <Seveas> what does that say?
[11:09] <monsune> Seveas let me check really quickly
[11:09] <bekks> monsune: I told you that quite a time ago. You obviously didnt even read answers. Thats what I think.
[11:09] <arcimboldo> Can I rename eth1 to vlan618, possibly without updating udev rules?
[11:10] <ikonia> arcimboldo no
[11:10] <kkk123> HI IM BACK U DUMB FAGS Seveas i wanna cum in ur pregnant wife plz dennis let me
[11:10] <monsune> Seveas well it returned quite a bit of lines
[11:10] <Seveas> well, I guess that's a no. Thanks for answering the question ikonia :)
[11:10] <not1but2> hi guys, how to prevent data recovery in ubuntu?
[11:10] <Seveas> not1but2: shred
[11:11] <monsune> bekks you told me to restart proxmox services and i most likely didn't get it so you meant to just restart a vm
[11:11] <not1but2> Seveas thx
[11:11] <bekks> monsune: I told you that your vm was most likely running while you deleted that file.
[11:11] <Seveas> not1but2: or dban if you want to do an entire disk. And of course nothing beast physical destruction :)
[11:11] <monsune> hm like 30 lines of this: lsof: no pwd entry for UID 999
[11:11] <bekks> monsune: You didnt even noticed it, did you?
[11:11] <arcimboldo> ikonia, so I need to setup udev rules, *and* I also need to reboot?
[11:11] <monsune> bekks i must have skipped that line from you somehow :/
[11:11] <AEL-H> is there a command native to ubuntu server that would allow me to limit how much filespace a user could use?
[11:12] <ikonia> arcimboldo: best way
[11:12] <arcimboldo> ikonia, thnx
[11:12] <monsune> bekks i'm jumping back and forth from the console and i'm nervous about possible data loss so please forgive the ignorance
[11:12] <monsune> i had no idea what was going on
[11:12] <demonlove_> how to know what are the packages i  have installed in my ubuntu?
[11:12] <Seveas> AEL-H: quota. And use a filesystem that supports quota (and enable quota)
[11:13] <Seveas> demonlove_: dpkg -l | grep ^ii
[11:13] <arcimboldo> ikonia, I was trying to use ip link set ... name on /etc/network/interfaces but of course ifup fails because the interface name is changed while it's trying to set it up
[11:13] <arcimboldo> I wondered if there was a trick
[11:13] <AEL-H> would quota be the only way? Is there anything else?
[11:13] <monsune> Seveas this appears like 10 times: kvm       169958  169989       root   17u      REG                9,4 322122547200   13631500  (deleted)/var/lib/vz/images/405/vm-405-disk-3.raw
[11:14] <Seveas> AEL-H: it would be the only way
[11:14] <AEL-H> Ok thank you
[11:14] <monsune> Seveas and also like 30-40 lines of: lsof: no pwd entry for UID 999
[11:14] <Seveas> monsune: that confirms that you need to shut down the vm. Ignore the UID lines.
[11:14] <monsune> so UID lines aren't to worry about?
[11:14] <Seveas> monsune: not for this problem.
[11:15] <monsune> well i hope it doesn't mean another problem to solve or stating a data loss
[11:15] <monsune> it basically never happened to me before that i rm something and free space isn't showing up
[11:15] <monsune> so i'm panicking
[11:15] <demonlove_> Sevas: now i  want to keep backup  of all  these pacakge
[11:15] <t3chguy> My computer goes into a blank grey screen after selecting to start ubuntu from within a live usb. Any ideas?
[11:15] <Seveas> monsune: just kill the vm and you'll see your space back. We've told you that quite a few times now :)
[11:16] <Seveas> demonlove_: of that list or of the actual packages?
[11:16] <demonlove_> which  are installed after getting proper ubuntu setup
[11:16] <monsune> Seveas crossing fingers and doing it right now
[11:17] <not1but2> Monsune - we're in same boat. ive accidentally delete my files
[11:17] <not1but2> And is trying to recover with photorec
[11:17] <bekks> monsune: Why are you getting crazy about stopping your vm?
[11:17] <demonlove_> actually my faculty has configured my system in a creative way, now i  want to get back  all step
[11:17] <monsune> Seveas, bekks: but when removing another 80GB hard disk from very same machine i never had to shut it down... i used proxmox for removal though and not direct rm on shell, what exactly did proxmox do then?
[11:17] <bekks> monsune: you wanted to remove that file, so stop that vm now.
[11:17] <bekks> monsune: And why do you repeat everything you already said?
[11:18] <Seveas> not1but2: he's in a different boat: he wants to delete a file that's still open :)
[11:18] <monsune> bekks because i slept pretty bad because of the issue and i also want to fully understand what is going on
[11:18] <monsune> thanks to you and Seveas i'm starting to understand
[11:18] <not1but2> Saveas ic
[11:19] <monsune> OMG my free space is BACK.
[11:19] <demonlove_> Seveas; actually my faculty has configured my system in a creative way, now i  want to get back  all step
[11:19] <Seveas> monsune: good. Understanding is the best we can hope for. Much better than blindly typing commands :)
[11:19] <bekks> monsune: I dont see a reason for repeating everything. It was explained to you, you said you understood. So the next logical step is stopping that single vm.
[11:19] <bekks> monsune: Whats so hard about it now?
[11:19] <monsune> bekks and Seveas i'm seriously grateful for your help and patience
[11:19] <monsune> Seveas as you could probably notice i did want to understand the problem, not just solve it
[11:19] <Seveas> bekks: well, if you've never seen this before it can be strange. I for one really appreciate that monsune is trying to understand what he's doing. That's rare :)
[11:20] <demonlove_> Seveas: actually my faculty has configured my system in a creative way, now i  want to get back  all step
[11:20] <monsune> i am because i learn this way so i don't walk in the dark again
[11:20] <Seveas> demonlove_: yes, you've said that three times now. I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean with that though.
[11:20] <bekks> Seveas: Yeah, and he was told what happened, etc. and it was explained to him. No need to go through all that again.
[11:21] <monsune> so after stopping the vm my 300GB is back... and lsof doesn't show the deleted file anymore, just alot of UID lines
[11:21] <bekks> monsune: Thats expected.
[11:21] <Seveas> the UID lines are (probably) because some files are owned by uid 999, which doesn't exist on your system. This is a bit odd, but not worrisome.
[11:22] <monsune> bekks like Seveas said... it was first time for me so i got really scared and was about to umount, fsck and what not...
[11:22] <bekks> monsune: So you didnt understood even one line I told you.
[11:22] <monsune> Seveas well i would rather not see them there then...
[11:22] <monsune> bekks that's a false statement, i learned alot from you and Seveas
[11:23] <demonlove_> Seveas: actually someone configured my ubuntu  in a very good manner (graphics, imp pacakge)  now i  have some problem  with that guys and want to get those methods
[11:23] <monsune> i wanted to get a picture first what was really going on
[11:23] <demonlove_> is it possible
[11:23] <demonlove_> my  laptop is with me
[11:23] <bekks> demonlove_: Whats a "imp package"?
[11:23] <Halelujah> My sound doesn't work :(
[11:24] <demonlove_> impoertant package
[11:24] <demonlove_> he make some command by himself
[11:24] <Seveas> monsune: sudo lsof | awk '$4 == "999" {print}'
[11:24] <bekks> demonlove_: Which "important packages"?
[11:24] <TJ-> demonlove_: Do you mean "gimp" ?
[11:24] <AEL-H> Is there any way for a root user to view active screen sessions other users have running?
[11:24] <demonlove_> those one too
[11:24] <MonkeyDust> Halelujah  in a terminal, type   alsamixer  ... if you see MM, go there and hit m to unmute
[11:24] <demonlove_> ya
[11:24] <bekks> AEL-H: Sure.
[11:24] <Seveas> monsune: that should show the open files with the odd uid. pastebin the output and we'll see if there's a problem
[11:24] <Halelujah> gatis@pc:~$ alsamixer cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[11:24] <monsune> bekks, Seveas so should i be happy now? no more worries about the filesystem? was it just about closing the file handles and everything is done automagically in ext4?
[11:24] <bekks> monsune: Yes.
[11:25] <AEL-H> Apologies I should have been more specific in my question, if such a method exists does anyone know what that might be?
[11:25] <bekks> monsune: This entire discussion is pointless after you restarted your vm and reclaimed space.
[11:25] <monsune> Seveas i will happily do that in a minute
[11:25] <Seveas> monsune: not in ext4 but in the kernel (this is not a feature of any filesystem, but done at a higher layer)
[11:25] <MonkeyDust> Halelujah  alsamixer is installed by default in ubuntu ... what is the outcome of   cat /etc/issue
[11:25] <monsune> bekks ok i get it... problem solved :) thanks alot again, i do appreciate
[11:25] <bekks> AEL-H: as root user: su - username;
[11:25] <monsune> same to you Seveas
[11:26] <AEL-H> Can the same user be logged in from two different places simultaneously?
[11:26] <Seveas> yeah
[11:26] <Halelujah> MonkeyDust: im using Lubuntu
[11:26] <bekks> AEL-H: Sure.
[11:26] <Halelujah> clean latest install
[11:26] <Halelujah> gatis@pc:~$ cat /etc/issue Ubuntu 15.04 \n \l
[11:26] <monsune> well i'm considering fstrim or discard but this would take upgrading the kernel and yet i'm not so sure if it's bug-free and well tested so far (e.g. heard of issues and data losses on md raids)
[11:27] <bithul> hello how can i open apps in ubuntu studio
[11:27] <Halelujah> what is wrong with it :/
[11:27] <Seveas> demonlove_: configuring the machine is more than just the list of packages though.
[11:27] <Seveas> demonlove_: so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to achieve, but maybe simply backing up your entire machine would help?
[11:27] <monsune> if i had fstrim working this whole situation would never happened
[11:27] <Halelujah> how to install alsamixer?
[11:28] <monsune> i just wanted to get rid of that balloon 300GB which never came back after filling the 300GB hard disk due to the nature of sparse files...
[11:28] <Seveas> monsune: fstrim/discard won't help. They only work on fs blocks marked as not in use. And as long as the file is open, they won't be marked as not in use :)
[11:28] <Halelujah> im trying to installe alsamixer: E: Unable to locate package alsamixer
[11:28] <monsune> Seveas yes i get it but please read my last line - that's the real background of all of this rm crap
[11:28] <bekks> monsune: You did not understand.
[11:28] <martok> Does anyone know of any Blu-ray software to create video on a Blu-ray disk?
[11:29] <Seveas> Halelujah: alsa-utils
[11:29] <monsune> bekks please read my last line too
[11:29] <bekks> monsune: You issue is NOT about sparse files at all. It was entirely cause by NOT shutting down your vm prior deleting a file.
[11:29] <Halelujah> Seveas i have installed it
[11:29] <Halelujah> gatis@pc:~$ amixer amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
[11:29] <bekks> monsune: Please read MY last line...
[11:29] <Seveas> monsune: hmm. sparse files. I hate those (and all other types of overprovisioning)
[11:29] <demonlove_> Seveas: how to backing up my entire machine.
[11:29] <Halelujah> gatis@pc:~$ alsamixer cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[11:29] <Seveas> !backup
[11:29] <Seveas> demonlove_: 00^
[11:30] <monsune> bekks i wanted 300GB back... i saw a file (had no idea what sparse was) so i simply deleted it... nothing happened... if i had fstrim i would trim the sucker and never had to play with removing hard disk from vm thus never had to delete and face the whole issue
[11:30] <Seveas> monsune: unfortunately that's not true at all
[11:30] <Steve_Wozniak> Hi. Why is Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical full of dumb retarded niggers?
[11:30] <bekks> monsune: fstrim would not have change one single bit.
[11:30] <bekks> monsune: the file handle was still open, the file was not deleted until the file handle was closed.
[11:30] <monsune> bekks to the best of my poor knowledge it would give my space back... and i can back that with some nice urls
[11:30] <monsune> bekks no no
[11:30] <Halelujah> Steve_Wozniak: help me to fix my sound problem
[11:31] <monsune> i mean not fixing the file handle... i would never even try to delete the file, that's the point
[11:31] <AEL-H> The problem I am having is a user is currently attached to the screen that I also want to attach to, when I try attach to the same screen simultaneously I get : "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/3' - please check."
[11:31] <monsune> i meant using fstrim to reclaim my free space from that balooned sparse...
[11:31] <bekks> monsune: Pointless.
[11:31] <monsune> what is pointless, bekks?
[11:31] <bekks> monsune: It is a sparse file, not some black magic.
[11:32] <monsune> bekks sparse gets filled... so it uses more and more space right?
[11:32] <monsune> once you clean up that space your free space never gets back because sparse doesn't shrink
[11:32] <monsune> so in case of 300GB sparse it does hurt
[11:32] <Seveas> AEL-H: before su-ing you do: chmod a+rw $(readlink -f /dev/stdin)
[11:32] <bekks> monsune: Like every file. Do you know the difference between a sparse file and a regular file?
[11:32] <monsune> i learned about that today
[11:32] <monsune> and i'm trying to explain to you what i wanted to achieve
[11:33] <bekks> monsune: So whats the difference - explain it.
[11:33] <monsune> bekks regular file allocates all blocks at once and sparse has "holes"
[11:33] <bekks> monsune: Correct. So the fact a file being a sparse file is irrelevant for your issue.
[11:33] <monsune> bekks meaning that you can actually see 300GB but just 1GB is in use and that means the fs only uses 1GB
[11:34] <Halelujah> please help me to get my sound working :(
[11:34] <monsune> bekks it is
[11:34] <bekks> monsune: It is totally irrelevant. It doesnt matter for your problem wether ls -lha show 1M or 300G.
[11:34] <monsune> bekks because that sparse was a virtual hd right? and i filled it in 90% meaning that sparse took close to 300GB on fs BUT then i wiped that hard disk clean in vm...
[11:34] <Seveas> monsune: sparse files (like all other ways of overcommitting resources) are also a disaster waiting to happen.
[11:34] <bekks> monsune: fstrim is totally irrelevant for your issue, too.
[11:35] <monsune> bekks even though i did wipe it clean my 300GB never shrank to 0 in fs
[11:35] <bekks> Why would it?
[11:35] <Seveas> monsune: fstrim in the vm wouldn't have made the file on the host sparse again.
[11:35] <Seveas> though that would be a neat trick if it worked
[11:35] <monsune> Seveas yes they are... you need to be very careful and monitor free space constantly...
[11:35] <monsune> Seveas i didn't mean to fstrim in the vm
[11:35] <bekks> monsune: fstrim is irrelevant for sparse files.
[11:35] <monsune> i meant to fstrim on host
[11:36] <bekks> monsune: It is irrelevant on the host, too.
[11:36] <monsune> bekks fstrim /mount would give me my 300GB back
[11:36] <Seveas> fstrim on the host is irrelevant. That does nothing with sparse files.
[11:36] <bekks> monsune: In absolutely no case.
[11:36] <monsune> assuming that there was nothing on that drive anymore
[11:36] <monsune> bekks i can paste a link if you like
[11:36] <Halelujah> anyone can help me fix sound problem?
[11:36] <Seveas> monsune: please do. I'm curious.
[11:36] <Seveas> Halelujah: !repeat
[11:36] <Seveas> aw feck, that got removed
[11:37] <monsune> Seveas i will in a second
[11:37] <bekks> monsune: which will not make your false statement being true.
[11:37] <Seveas> Halelujah: don't repeat every 60 seconds. That's highly annoying.
[11:37] <DalekSec> !repeat
[11:37] <wotan147> can please somebody go to http://support.mendeley.com then click to sign in and give me hints why the fucking webpage is not loadiing on my computer
[11:37] <Halelujah> i feel ignored :)
[11:37] <monsune> bekks and Seveas please check on this one: http://dustymabe.com/2013/06/11/recover-space-from-vm-disk-images-by-using-discardfstrim/
[11:37] <AEL-H> Seveas: Sorry, I am having trouble breaking down exactly what that command does, would you mind explaining it a bit
[11:38] <bekks> monsune: So  do you happen to know what fstrim is for?
[11:38] <wotan147> can please somebody go to http://support.mendeley.com, click sign-in and tell me why it fucking does not load for me ?
[11:38] <bekks> monsune: It is NOT for reclaiming space in a fs in any way.
[11:38] <mcphail> monsune: this is all very noisy, so hard to follow. Are you trying to shrink a sparse file you have been using for a filesystem on a virtual machine?
[11:38] <monsune> bekks how come it worked for this guy i pasted a link from?
[11:39] <Seveas> monsune: that executes fstrim in the vm though
[11:39] <Seveas> and I'm really positively surprised that that actually unmaps blocks in the sparse file on the host. Neat!
[11:39] <bekks> monsune: because both of you did not understand what sparse files are and you both do not know what fstrim is for.
[11:39] <monsune> mcphail i would love it but fstrim isn't working on my box so i went tru the hell of wiping a sparse, facing an already solved issue and now arguing with bekks a bit :)
[11:40] <monsune> bekks please prove this guy wrong then: http://dustymabe.com/2013/06/11/recover-space-from-vm-disk-images-by-using-discardfstrim/
[11:40] <monsune> because that's what i'm talking about
[11:40] <mcphail> monsune: if you want to shrink the file, the only reliable way I have found is to copy it, passing the appropriate parameters to "cp"
[11:40] <monsune> a balooned sparse got back to normal after fstrim in his case and that's my whole point
[11:40] <bekks> monsune: Why would I prove a random 3rd party blog wrong or right. I told you whats to be told about it, now it is up to you to understand.
[11:40] <Seveas> monsune: yes, but fstrim in the guest, not on the host. Still, neat trick.
[11:41] <monsune> mcphail so you mean cp can do that for us?
[11:41] <mcphail> monsune: cp --sparse=always original.img shrunk.img
[11:41] <monsune> Seveas oh is it in the guest there?
[11:41] <Seveas> monsune: [root@guest ~]# fstrim -v /
[11:42] <monsune> mcphail damn... would that really work? you tested it?
[11:42] <mcphail> monsune: of course
[11:42] <monsune> Seveas indeed... then bekks was right...
[11:42] <mcphail> monsune: you need to have enough space on the host for the copy, of course
[11:42] <Halelujah> sound not working on Lubuntu - need help
[11:42] <monsune> bekks how about what mcphail just said about cp?
[11:42] <Seveas> monsune: not quite. He also says the whole thing doesn't work when fstrim was run on the guest.
[11:43] <monsune> mcphail well it can be painful at times but if it works... but does it require fstrim in kernel too?
[11:43] <mcphail> monsune: no, why would it?
[11:43] <monsune> Seveas oh did he... so at least once bekks was wrong :)
[11:44] <Seveas> monsune: just don't use sparse files dammit :-)
[11:44] <monsune> mcphail not sure, just wondering
[11:44] <mcphail> monsune: I'm not sure what fstrim adds, tbh
[11:44] <monsune> Seveas that's how proxmox work with raw disk images and not much i can do about that :)
[11:44] <monsune> works*
[11:45] <monsune> mcphail there is alot of fuss about reclaiming free space from balooned sparse files and fstrim seemed like a solution, i wonder why no one mentioned simple cp stuff in those tutorials
[11:46] <monsune> bekks i promise to read up more on fstrim but seems like you were mostly right...
[11:46] <Halelujah> why i dont have alsamixer?
[11:46] <mcphail> monsune: people always find the most stupid solutions to the simplest of problems
[11:46] <monsune> mcphail i mean why this guy just didn't use cp? http://dustymabe.com/2013/06/11/recover-space-from-vm-disk-images-by-using-discardfstrim/
[11:46] <monsune> is it just stupidity or is there another reason?
[11:47] <monsune> hm could be that it's all different for SSD and that's what trimfs is for...
[11:48] <mcphail> monsune: if anything, that will reclaim very little space in the guest and probably not even shrink the file on the host. Feel ffree to run it before the cp command to see if it helps to claim more space, but the file won't shrink properly until you cp. Sparse files are not magic
[11:48] <monsune> mcphail that's funny... i faced possible data loss and other issues just because i wanted to trim the damn 300GB sparse... i went tru deleting it manually, having file handles left open, panicking about fs corruption... and all i needed was: cp --sparse=always original.img shrunk.img
[11:49] <Halelujah> How to install alsamixer?
[11:49] <monsune> well they are a bit :)
[11:49] <monsune> an average joe won't get it (just like me) that what df shows is actually not always true
[11:50] <mcphail> monsune: black magic, perhaps :). The wikipedia page on sparse files is worth a read
[11:50] <monsune> indeed
[11:50] <bekks> monsune: fstrim has no effect on non-SSD.
[11:50] <Halelujah> :/
[11:51] <monsune> bekks that seems to be very right and i return the honor
[11:51] <monsune> i just understood that too
[11:51] <AEL-H> would the root be able to ssh as another user? I appear to be having the problem that screen will only let me share the terminal if I ssh in as the same user who started it
[11:51] <monsune> so all those people reclaiming their free space were just fighting their SSDs rather than fs itself
[11:51] <bekks> AEL-H: Sure.
[11:51] <AEL-H> How might I go about doing that?
[11:51] <Ben64> AEL-H: yes, check ssh --help
[11:51] <monsune> AEL-H there is a way
[11:52] <AEL-H> ok thank you
[11:52] <monsune> haven't actually done that for years but i used to and it had to do with ttys
[11:52] <monsune> some one liner
[11:52] <bekks> monsune: ssh otheruser@remotehost ...
[11:53] <monsune> bekks i meant in screen
[11:53] <mcphail> monsune: remember cp --sparse=always will not reclaim as much space as you hope: it will only squash the zeroes the image, of which there may not be many if the filesystem was filled
[11:53] <Seveas> AEL-H: did you see my message about chmoding your pty so screen -x works after su?
[11:53] <bekks> monsune: Same thing in screen.
[11:53] <marjinal1st> I'm using Ubuntu 14.04.3 AMD64. When I launch an application, let's say terminal, app's icon gets to top of the launcher, not the bottom. How can I prevent it?
[11:53] <bekks> monsune: and for screen itself: screen and screen -x
[11:53] <AEL-H> I did, sorry it must have got lost in other messages but I just asked if you could explain what the command is doing a little bit, I am having some trouble breaking it down
[11:54] <monsune> mcphail so in case of totally empty hard disk (wiped in vm) the cp on host should shrink to virtually 0 right?
[11:54] <monsune> mcphail or whould i need to physically fill the disk with zeros first in vm?
[11:54] <mcphail> monsune: not if it has been filled first, no
[11:54] <monsune> would*
[11:54] <monsune> mcphail how about filled and wiped after?
[11:54] <Ben64> monsune: what are you trying to accomplish
[11:54] <mcphail> monsune: writing zeroes would help, but why not just create a new image under that circumstance
[11:55] <Seveas> AEL-H: the reason screen doesn't work after su'ing to the user is that screen needs to open the pty device that's your stdin/stdout. So the solution is to allow that user (and to be lazy: everyone) to open it.
[11:55] <Seveas> AEL-H: and the pty device can be found by following the /dev/stdin symlink
[11:55] <monsune> Ben64 i'm trying to uderstand how to deal with sparse files... and find an easy way of shrinking down virtual hard drives once they are wiped in vm but still take alot of space on host
[11:55] <AEL-H> Ok that makes more sense thanks, I will do some more research :)
[11:56] <Seveas> AEL-H: I use this trick fairly frequently :)
[11:56] <monsune> mcphail that's exactly what i did today... i just deleted the hard disk image... but never took vm down which caused a problem
[11:56] <Ben64> monsune: delete them.
[11:56] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:56] <monsune> Ben64 not always possible because sometimes there could be some data
[11:56] <Seveas> hej BluesKaj
[11:57] <mcphail> !info zerofree
[11:57] <Ben64> monsune: deleting them will delete them, it doesn't matter what was on it
[11:57] <BluesKaj> hi Seveas
[11:57] <monsune> mcphail i rmed a 300GB .raw and never got any free space back... started to panick
[11:57] <mcphail> monsune: see the message from ubottu above
[11:57] <AEL-H> Seveas: So why is it that when I ssh as the user whilst that same user is also ssh'd in (in effect 2 simultaneous ssh sessions) that it then works fine?
[11:57] <mcphail> monsune: designed to be run ia a vm guest for this reason
[11:58] <Ben64> its pointless if you just want to delete it anyway, just delete it, don't waste writing crap to a file you're just trying to get rid of
[11:58] <monsune> Ben64 an example: a 300GB filled in vm to the max and then i delete 250GB in vm... on host it still takes 300GB while the real data is only 50GB - how do i effectively shrink that image?
[11:58] <Seveas> AEL-H: because then you can already open the pty device
[11:58] <Halelujah> NEED HELP!
[11:58] <monsune> Ben64 i can't delete in every single case, it was just a simple example before
[11:58] <Ben64> monsune: thats not what you were asking about just now
[11:58] <mcphail> monsune: you run zerofree in the guest then cp --sparse=always in the host
[11:58] <monsune> yes and i told you why, ben64
[11:59] <hal9000> anyone know how i change dolphin's default view? i don't care much for icon view. not many people are in #kubuntu
[11:59] <monsune> mcphail oh so zerofree to zero the empty space itself so cp can shrink it as non-zero just won't shrink no matter if those are data or not?
[12:00] <mcphail> monsune: yes - deleting a file still leaves all those non-zeroes in there, so zerofree will get rid of them
[12:00] <monsune> mcphail how about the vm hard disk being ntfs? i should take a look if there is zerofree tool for windoze too
[12:00] <mcphail> monsune: it won't work for ntfs, and I don't know what will
[12:00] <monsune> sounds pretty logical and i appreciate your explanation
[12:01] <monsune> so no banana on ntfs :/ at least not that easy
[12:01] <monsune> happily ntfs is just a small margin here so i will survive
[12:01] <monsune> luckily*
[12:01] <vagrant806> Hello everybody
[12:02] <vagrant806> I'm trying to run glxinfo on a headless ubuntu/trusty64 but I get the next error: unable to open display
[12:02] <vagrant806> if i run DISPLAY=:0 glxinfo i'll get Error: unable to open display , any hint to get the opengl information of my headless server?
[12:02] <monsune> i learned alot today... many thanks bekks, Seveas and mcphail, i seriously appreciate
[12:03] <mcphail> monsune: np. good luck
[12:03] <MonkeyDust> vagrant806  in the host, type xhost + ... in the vagrant machine, type   export DISPLAY=:1
[12:03] <Halelujah> WHy everyone ignoring me?
[12:03] <Ben64> Halelujah: because you haven't asked a question
[12:04] <Halelujah> Ben64 how to fix my sound?
[12:04] <dave12344321> hi
[12:04] <Ben64> Halelujah: i don't know
[12:04] <Ben64> Halelujah: you might want to read this -- https://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc
[12:04] <MonkeyDust> !details | Halelujah
[12:04] <mistawright> hi guys i got a dell inspiron 7000 with a i7 12gb of ram a 1tb harddrive and a dedicated radeon r7 m something with 4gb of ram. it also has intel graphics. it runs great with ubuntu but i hear the hard drive spinning up and down and almost clicking it doesnt do this in windows
[12:04] <ioria> vagrant806, are you running it as 'root' ?
[12:04] <mistawright> how can i fix this?
[12:04] <dave12344321> Germany
[12:05] <MonkeyDust> dave12344321  type /j #ubuntu-de
[12:05] <Halelujah> Ben64 i already detailed my problem hour ago
[12:05] <monsune> one last question: can you force rm to actually close open file handles when removing a file?
[12:05] <MonkeyDust> Halelujah  people come and go, not everyone has read your question
[12:05] <vagrant806> MonkeyDust: i guess that xhost command you refer to is from "x11-server-utils" package, installing now... but my host=windows7  ioria: no, i run it as a vagrant user
[12:06] <popey> Halelujah: you're using lubuntu?
[12:06] <Halelujah> yes
[12:06] <monsune> because proxmox itself never needed to shut down the vm to cleanly remove file and reclaim free space while doing rm manually causes a problem as described
[12:06] <ikonia> Halelujah: did you not solve thi with your pulse audio discussion earlier
[12:06] <vagrant806> MonkeyDust: vagrant@vagrant-ubuntu-trusty-64:~$ xhost --help xhost:  unable to open display "" vagrant@vagrant-ubuntu-trusty-64:~$ xhost + xhost:  unable to open display ""
[12:06] <Halelujah> i solve it for a moment
[12:06] <ikonia> it was explained to you earlier that pulse audo and alsa tools where not installed on your system
[12:06] <Halelujah> after a restart all went back
[12:06] <ikonia> are you using a livecd ?
[12:06] <ikonia> or are you using an install
[12:06] <ikonia> (or live media)
[12:06] <Halelujah> im using install
[12:07] <ikonia> Halelujah: is pulse-audio and alsa-tools still installed ?
[12:07] <Halelujah> yes
[12:07] <MonkeyDust> vagrant806  you should do xhost + in a linux host ... not sure what to do in windows, better inform in ##windows
[12:07] <ikonia> then you should be able to use them (as you did before) to show the configuration of your sound card
[12:07] <ikonia> can you still use the tools you used before ?
[12:07] <Halelujah> i cant open alsamixer
[12:08] <ikonia> Halelujah: please define can't open
[12:08] <ikonia> what happens ?
[12:08] <Halelujah> gatis@pc:~$ /usr/bin/alsamixer cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[12:08] <ikonia> Halelujah: the file is not there
[12:08] <ikonia> so either you did not install the packages
[12:09] <popey> ikonia: i dont think that's accurate
[12:09] <ikonia> or you have uninstalled them
[12:09] <ikonia> or you have deleted the binary
[12:09] <ikonia> popey: go on.....
[12:09] <popey> ikonia: thats the error alsamixer says when the device is missing, surely?
[12:09] <popey> not that the binary is missing
[12:09] <popey> "cannot open mixer"
[12:09] <ikonia> popey: good spot
[12:09] <ikonia> so the audio card has dissappeared again
[12:09] <ikonia> rather than the binary
[12:09] <Halelujah> ok
[12:09] <ikonia> good spot popey
[12:09] <Halelujah> i have ADI audiomax
[12:10] <monsune> oh wow i have just found another 60GB of wasted space... a deleted hd image being on hold by qemu-nbd
[12:10] <monsune> and that i have no idea about at all
[12:14] <renn0xtk9> can please somebody go to http://support.mendeley.com then click to sign in and give me hints why the webpage is not loadiing on my computer
[12:15] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: why don't you just say what happens
[12:15] <ikonia> Halelujah: do you know what device name it was using earlier
[12:15] <ikonia> (when you had it working)
[12:15] <ioria> maybe i'm wrong, but lubuntu doesn't use pulseaudio ....
[12:15] <Halelujah> i didnt check.. i simply installed pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils and it started working... AFter restart it didnt work
[12:16] <ikonia> Halelujah: so based on popeys spot earleir it can't open the mixer -> device file that pulse wants to use
[12:16] <Halelujah> yes cant open alsamixer
[12:17] <Halelujah> but i see sound icon
[12:17] <ikonia> so checking if that exists, or using the agruments to pass it the right device would be the starting point
[12:17] <Halelujah> I dont know what to do from here
[12:17] <AEL-H> So is pts the terminal windows? and screen just creates multiple instances of these?
[12:17] <renn0xtk9> ikonia, it simply take ages to load, and after ages it will say no response from website. But it is not server side problem. If connect from my workplace it does respond fast
[12:18] <renn0xtk9> I more an dmore suspect some issues with ssl/encryption/watherver (i am not litterate with this) because I have this problem + apt-get returning curl not supporting http when hitting a ppa host by the same server
[12:19] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: DNS ?
[12:19] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: ahh yes, I remember you saying about not being able to support https connections either
[12:19] <renn0xtk9> and finally when I just tried to connect to freenode with SSL it kept retrying evry 10 second and failing
[12:19] <ikonia> earlier
[12:19] <DalekSec> It flips to https, yeah.
[12:19] <renn0xtk9> yes that is right ;)
[12:20] <ikonia> so if you can't handshake SSL with any app - have you deleted your CA Certs ?
[12:20] <Halelujah> Is there any other leightweight OS like Lubuntu but based on Ubuntu?
[12:20] <ikonia> Halelujah: use aplay -l to look up available audio devices
[12:20] <DalekSec> Are your ca-certs messed up?  dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates  ?
[12:20] <renn0xtk9> so what about DNS? what should I try ?   It might be indded linked to a router issue because another laoptop behind the same routeur can not connect to this.
[12:20] <Halelujah> gatis@pc:~$ aplay -l aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found...
[12:20] <renn0xtk9> while at work with that laptop i managed to ..
[12:20] <ikonia> Halelujah: so youd sound card is not being loaded at all,
[12:20] <Seveas> Halelujah: do you even have a soundcard? :)
[12:20] <Halelujah> Seveas of course
[12:21] <Halelujah> Im using HP Compaq 6715s and it uses ADI Soundmax
[12:21] <Halelujah> Sound works well on windows and Ubuntu
[12:21] <Halelujah> But i ahve problems with Lubuntu.. But i need lubuntu because it's faster
[12:22] <renn0xtk9> ikonia, not that I remeber, but some application might have done it?  this computer has been freshly installed, 2-3 month ago
[12:22] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: check what DalekSec said
[12:22] <ioria> Halelujah, can you see it in lspci ?
[12:22] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: if it was just the browser, that would be one thing, but you can't use curl, the browser, or IRC
[12:23] <Halelujah> ioria: yes: 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
[12:25] <ioria> Halelujah, as far i can remember pulseaudio doesn't come by default with lubuntu ... did you install it after ?
[12:25] <Halelujah> ioria yes
[12:25] <Halelujah> And it worked after i installed pulseaudio, but AFTER restart it stopped working
[12:27] <Kruppt> Halelujah:Do you have pavucontrol installed?
[12:27] <ioria> Halelujah, well, you can try to purge it (you can reinstall it later) , reboot and try it (don't bother of the icon) , just open an mp3
[12:27] <Halelujah> Kruppt yes i  have
[12:27] <Halelujah> what was the command for purge?
[12:28] <ioria> sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio
[12:28] <renn0xtk9> so I ran dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates and said yes to all certificates (it mosly come from mozilla) it apparently updated certificates in /etc/ssl/certificates  but no progress...
[12:28] <Halelujah> ioria: ok
[12:29] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: silly question can you actually telnet to a host on port 443 ?
[12:32] <renn0xtk9> if I type "telnet host 403" in conesole, it says "telnet: could not resolve host/403: No address associated with hostname"
[12:33] <Halelujah_> ioria: i hear some sound! :)
[12:33] <ioria> a good start
[12:33] <Halelujah_> alsamixer works now
[12:33] <ioria> very good start
[12:34] <Halelujah_> hatis@pc:~$ sudo aplay -l [sudo] password for gatis:  **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: AD1981 Analog [AD1981 Analog]   Subdevices: 0/1   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[12:34] <ioria> ok
[12:34] <Halelujah_> so what did purge pulsaudio do?
[12:34] <Halelujah_> Thanks, i hope sound will work after next restart :)
[12:35] <ioria> Halelujah, lubuntu doesn't use pulse... maybe a conflict
[12:35] <AEL-H> What is the safe way to remove a USB? umount, eject or is there anything else?
[12:35] <Halelujah_> ioria do you know why they dont use it?
[12:36] <ioria> Halelujah, they are two audio server... not a specialist .... :-(
[12:36] <ioria> Halelujah, maybe a couple of reboot will  test it
[12:36] <Halelujah_> what did purge command do?
[12:37] <ioria> purge :P
[12:38] <Halelujah_> let me translate :)
[12:38] <ioria> clean
[12:38] <Halelujah_> ah ok\
[12:38] <ioria> the config files
[12:38] <Halelujah_> Thanks for help!
[12:38] <ioria> np,
[12:39] <renn0xtk9> ikonia DalekSec what does it mean that it can't resolve host/403?  or is it the bad command?
[12:40] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: what is the EXACT command you typed
[12:40] <monsune> bekks are you still around by any chance?
[12:40] <renn0xtk9> telnet host 403
[12:40] <monsune> or Seveas
[12:40] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: do you have a machine called "host" ?
[12:41] <renn0xtk9> no
[12:41] <ikonia> and 403 is running nothing
[12:41] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: what are you trying to do ?
[12:41] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: ok - what's the name of the deb repo that was failing for you earlier
[12:41] <Halelujah_> And thanks everyone else for help, ikonia, badoodh, bekks.
[12:41] <ikonia> lets help you test this
[12:42] <monsune> wow i'm getting really good at lsof stuff :)
[12:42] <monsune> just nailed down the quemu-nbd ghost image and managed to disconnect it :)
[12:43] <renn0xtk9> My machine is called inspiron, If I try "telnet inspiron 403" it says Trying 127.0.1.1...  telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[12:43] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: ok - what's the name of the deb repo that was failing for you earlier
[12:43] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: you're doing the wrong tests, lets help you, get me the name/URL of the deb repo that was failing for you earlier
[12:43] <monsune> sometimes it gets really scary... not only hd image wasn't there anymore but even its vm was deleted... file was still open and mounted in qemu-nbd... that's a bit too much :)
[12:44] <renn0xtk9> the server in the list  is "deb http://download.mendeley.com/apt/ stable main"
[12:44] <monsune> how do you mount something that doesn't really exist?
[12:44] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: thats the one that was failing earlier ?
[12:44] <renn0xtk9> yes the onw that was saying "curl does not support http"
[12:45] <renn0xtk9> Now: ?  "telnet http://download.mendeley.com/apt 403"
[12:45] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: try this please
[12:45] <renn0xtk9> telnet: could not resolve http://download.mendeley.com/apt/403: Name or service not known
[12:45] <ikonia> "telnet www.mendeley.com 443"
[12:45] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: please stop typing random commands, you're wasting your time
[12:45] <ikonia> just type what I gave you
[12:45] <renn0xtk9> Trying 54.72.236.21... Connected to mendeley.com.
[12:46] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: ok - so you have a valid connection, which is good
[12:46] <Seveas> monsune: you don't
[12:46] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: now do "curl https://www.mendeley.com/sign-in/"
[12:47] <monsune> Seveas just trying to understand a logic behind that
[12:47] <monsune> Seveas as i said, i found a bogush mount, how is that even possible? gone should be gone
[12:47] <Seveas> what do you mean with bogus mount?
[12:48] <monsune> i mean it was a disk image mounted as device while the file wasn't there
[12:48] <monsune> so how come device was working?
[12:48] <Seveas> it was mounted before the file was removed. So the file was really still there
[12:48] <monsune> shouldn't it disconnect itself? pump some error in logs etc.
[12:48] <renn0xtk9> ikonia, so where the problem would be comming ?
[12:48] <Seveas> monsune: no.
[12:48] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: type what I told you
[12:48] <monsune> Seveas file wasn't there, only a handle was
[12:49] <monsune> Seveas it seems like file handles are just everything the system cares about
[12:49] <Seveas> monsune: the file was there, because a handle to it was open. All that was missing was the entry in the containing directory.
[12:49] <monsune> Seveas hm
[12:50] <monsune> Seveas so just like before... rm is removing just an entry in a directory that allows a file to be seen by human?
[12:50] <Seveas> monsune: 'rm' removes the association of 'the filesysem blocks a b c and d' to 'the file name foo'. The kernel can then reclaim those blocks, but won't do so while someone still has a handle open to that file.
[12:50] <monsune> while entry isn't really needed for file to work?
[12:50] <Seveas> yeah
[12:50] <monsune> so kernel operates on that just fine
[12:50] <Seveas> yeah
[12:51] <monsune> it's only human that has a problem because of no visual contact with file tru entry
[12:51] <Seveas> and what you call entry, the kernel calls inode. Google it for more information :)
[12:51] <monsune> man this is scary stuff :)
[12:51] <monsune> oh so entry = inode
[12:51] <monsune> but that is just wrong to me
[12:51] <monsune> it's so easy to spy on someone, etc.
[12:52] <Seveas> inode  = thing in the filesystem
[12:52] <monsune> you could even plant a filedump in someone's system
[12:52] <monsune> right?
[12:52] <Seveas> directlry = inode that's a list of dirents. dirent = mapping of filenames to inodes
[12:52] <monsune> very nice knowledge and i'm all ears
[12:53] <monsune> but hm
[12:53] <monsune> it's not like kernel can actually do something with such "removed" file
[12:53] <monsune> no app can operate without filename
[12:54] <ikonia> why do you keep referencing the kernel ?
[12:54] <monsune> ikonia because to me it's only kernel that can actually see and somehow coop with such "orphan" file
[12:54] <renn0xtk9> ikonia http://pastebin.com/4RJnNysD
[12:54] <ikonia> ??
[12:54] <ikonia> I'd forget the kernel if I where you
[12:55] <xboner-> just inject it into a system process
[12:55]  * monsune forgets the kernel
[12:55] <xboner-> and reboot the machine
[12:55] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: thats great, that looks like SSL is working just fine
[12:55] <Seveas> don't forget the kernel, it'll feel lonely :(
[12:55] <monsune> Seveas i will miss the kernel big time
[12:56] <monsune> hope it has a great time without me :)
[12:56] <monsune> Seveas would you mind just another stupid question regarding fs and files?
[12:57] <renn0xtk9> ikonia hmm okay so what can be the reason?
[12:57] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: can you do "sudo apt-get update" and paste the output in a pastebin please
[12:58] <xSolidState> hey guys, I want to achieve the following: Encrypt my personal files but leave the computer accessible to a potential thief, so he doesnt wipe the disk(if anyone remembers that old defcon talk). I encrypted my /home during install. Will this prompt for a password if someone logs in on an unencrypted user?
[12:58] <monsune> i recently took a sparse file (just another hd image) and compressed it and stored... hoping that i'm saving vm's whole disk that way - will it really work? or should i first "unsparse" it? just not sure what data i really got and what happens when i put that file on another filesystem and try vm with it?
[12:58] <monsune> xSolidState truecrypt?
[12:59] <xSolidState> monsune, well. why? not in active dev, and ubuntu has builtin encryption
[12:59] <Idiot> I'm trying to install Ubuntu, but it gives me a black screen with the "fast tsc calibration failed" message.
[12:59] <monsune> depends if you really need to encrypt and hide stuff or just pretend your data is safe
[12:59] <xSolidState> monsune, which one would be pretend?
[12:59] <xSolidState> and why?
[13:00] <TJ-> xSolidState: encrypted home uses ecryptfs with content and filename encryption. Full Disk Encryption uses LUKS/dm-crypt
[13:00] <monsune> anything but truecrypt isn't really safe
[13:00] <ikonia> monsune: what ???
[13:00] <monsune> so isn't any windows with it's NSAKEY built in :)
[13:00] <xSolidState> monsune, no sauce? not biting.
[13:00] <TJ-> monsune: do you have authorities for that? The TrueCrypt audit did not find any weakness in the crypto
[13:01] <ikonia> monsune: truecrypt has a warning on the top of the page that says "it is not secure"
[13:01] <xSolidState> TJ-, he means the only safe one is TC
[13:01] <TJ-> xSolidState: hmm, missing grammar!
[13:01] <monsune> yes that's what i meant, TC is the only "safe" to the best of my readings and if TC is unsafe then nothing really is
[13:02] <monsune> TJ- yes because i'm not a native and my English is kind of rusty... sorry about that
[13:02] <TJ-> xSolidState: I use LUKS/dm-crypt for the block devices and ecryptfs for per-user
[13:02] <ikonia> there are many encryption options available to linux ???
[13:02] <ikonia> how can you say they are not secure
[13:02] <TJ-> monsune: No need to apologise - just that I interpreted your sentence one way, and xSolidState another :)
[13:02] <monsune> ikonia there are backdoors to those and i'm 90% sure
[13:02] <xSolidState> TJ-, ok the trouble here would be that a potential thief could not put my machine on the internet if i used FDE
[13:02] <ikonia> monsune how are you %90 sure ?
[13:03] <monsune> ikonia just do some readings, it's not possible to prove anything
[13:03] <Idiot> Can anyone help me with this? I'm trying to install Ubuntu, but it gives me a black screen with a "fast tsc calibration failed" message.
[13:03] <xSolidState> monsune, SOURCE or GTFO, if you can excuse my rudeness. If you dont give proof, youre just trolling
[13:03] <mcphail> !ot | ahem
[13:03] <TJ-> xSolidState: correct. But what is your aim? To be able to track the PC if they don't replace the OS?
[13:03] <monsune> does microsoft tell you about theirs deals with nsa? or dell tells you that? :) no
[13:03] <ikonia> monsune: I do read, hence why I'm asking you why you are advising these tools are insecure
[13:03] <xSolidState> TJ-, potentially yes.
[13:03] <ikonia> monsune: we are not using microsoft here
[13:03] <monsune> it's same stuff with everything
[13:03] <ikonia> monsune: you're making wild statement and wild numbers such as %90 certain
[13:03] <xSolidState> monsune, stop this. youre making a fool of yourself. show us proof why ubuntus onboard encryption is broken or be quiet
[13:04] <monsune> don't you know that nsa actively develops kernel too? :)
[13:04] <ikonia> when in reality - you had no idea
[13:04] <xSolidState> thx
[13:04] <renn0xtk9> ikonia :http://pastebin.com/LuzJpmYk
[13:04] <monsune> ok enough :) back to my own problems
[13:04] <TJ-> xSolidState: The standard ecryptfs for per-user home directories should be sufficient then
[13:05] <xSolidState> So again: if i use user encryption via encryptfs, can an intruder get the pc to boot without entering a password if i setup an unprotected user? after setup it asked me about the swap partitions password
[13:05] <TJ-> xSolidState: Yes
[13:05] <monsune> btw i never said it was broken... only that some alghoritms of encryption are not safe anymore for a long time and that's all i meant
[13:06] <xSolidState> algorithm not safe == broken
[13:06] <monsune> no, just crackable with enough computing power
[13:06] <monsune> or keys :)
[13:06] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: something on that domain is not working well for you
[13:06] <xSolidState> TJ-, thx
[13:07] <TJ-> xSolidState: are you are that many laptops come with tracking functions built into their firmware?
[13:08] <xSolidState> TJ-, uh yeah but I would rather not use some weird proprietary solution where i have no control over the mechanism
[13:08] <xSolidState> mine has computrace but i really dont trust such nonsense snake oils
[13:09] <TJ-> xSolidState: You're now doing what monsune was accused of. Where's your evidence for such statements?
[13:09] <renn0xtk9> ikonia,
[13:10] <renn0xtk9> can it be that it is due to my routeur
[13:10] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: I suppose it's possible, but I don't know how
[13:10] <renn0xtk9> it seems like tht problem come from when i want to connect from behind it
[13:10] <ikonia> you clearly have a valid connection there
[13:10] <renn0xtk9> okay
[13:10] <xSolidState> TJ-, well computrace is proprietary. I can't know what its doing,and when. so I would rather not blindly trust something that could potentially be counterproductive.
[13:10] <TJ-> xSolidState: If someone takes the PC then they only have to wipe the disk drive, or replace it, and you have no tracking ability any more. Firmware based tracking is harder to dislodge
[13:11] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: ahhh intersting that http download URL redirects to https
[13:11] <ikonia> I don't se any of the other archives running on https
[13:11] <TJ-> xSolidState: Computrace makes uses of the SMM procesoor
[13:11] <Zzeeke> TJ-: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Lenovo junk up their firmware and get caught?
[13:12] <xSolidState> TJ-, http://usa.kaspersky.com/about-us/press-center/in-the-news/pre-installed-computrace-software-could-be-used-hijack-computers-k
[13:12] <TJ-> Zzeeke: You mean for their software update function?
[13:12] <xSolidState> this, among others, fuels my concerns
[13:13] <xSolidState> TJ-, yeah they replaced a builtin microsoft executable with their own at boot time, which is another potential security risk
[13:13] <Zzeeke> Well this is what I was talking about: http://www.cnet.com/news/superfish-torments-lenovo-owners-with-more-than-adware/
[13:13] <renn0xtk9> ikonia which one?
[13:14] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: http://download.mendeley.com
[13:14] <xSolidState> Superfish wasnt firmware afaik Zzeeke
[13:16] <Zzeeke> xSolidState: It probably wasn't, now that I'm reading into it.
[13:16] <Ryans_255> is it possible to encrypt folder and compress it with tar and and openssl enc -aes-256-cbc
[13:18] <Zzeeke> However, it's stil a fishy (excuse the pun) business practice. Stuff like this should not happen.
[13:18] <ricard> according to the pastebin already set the display to 1920x1080 not?
[13:19] <TJ-> xSolidState: The thing is, if you're that paranoid, only a PC running libreboot is going to satisfy. How do you know the embedded computrace isn't pinging servers even if not activated by the user? My point being, what is most important - recovering the PC, disabling it, or simply protecting your own data from compromise?
[13:19] <ricard> the pastebin is http: //pastebin.com/kHZnK7jM
[13:20] <Idiot> I'm asking this for the third time now. I'm trying to try the Ubuntu demo, but it gives me a black screen with the "fast tsc calibration failed" message.
[13:21] <TJ-> Idiot: sounds like the video graphics isn't starting, or else the image on the boot device is corrupted. Did you check the ISO hash after download?
[13:21] <Idiot> I'm going to check right now.
[13:21] <renn0xtk9> ikonai it is all http in the pastbin of apt-get update
[13:21] <xSolidState> TJ-, protecting my data ranks highest on that list, but i would also like a way to recover my computer if stolen. apart from the fact that computrace doesnt work on linux anyway
[13:21] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: yes, but check it out in the browser
[13:22] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: it redirects to https
[13:22] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: hence the curl error
[13:22] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: the PPA onces appear to do it too - but they seem to work
[13:22] <ikonia> how odd
[13:22] <TJ-> xSolidState: computrace is pure firmware/SMM, after being enabled. There's no OS component required except for activation.
[13:24] <ricard>  someone could confirm me if my screen HD 1920x1080 will pastebin is the pastebin is http: //pastebin.com/kHZnK7jM
[13:24] <Ryans_255> is it possible to encrypt folder and compress it with tar and and openssl enc -aes-256-cbc
[13:24] <TJ-> ricard:  Yes, apparent it is
[13:25] <Idiot> TJ-:  CRC32: 21E45604
[13:26] <xSolidState> TJ-, not pure firmware according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LoJack_for_Laptops . How would that even work, it needs networking, file scanning, keylogging etc abilities.
[13:26] <TJ-> xSolidState: these firmware tracking agents use the SMM processor, which operates at ring -1 or ring -2
[13:27] <ricard> thank you tj
[13:27] <TJ-> !checksum | Idiot
[13:28] <xSolidState> TJ-, well, if wikipedia is to believed, it really doesnt, because it installs and removes components inside windows. i dont see the point in utilizing windows executables if you have ring -1/-2 access. I am highly sceptical of this, especially because its quite enigmatic to see whats really happening there. Not a fan. Thanks for your opinion tho :)
[13:29] <TJ-> xSolidState: I reverse engineered it some time ago; I know what it does
[13:29] <Idiot> TJ-: I'm checking the MD5 checksum right now. It took me a while to realized that I'm doing the wrong thing.
[13:29] <xSolidState> TJ-, how would I know that i can trust you :P
[13:30] <TJ-> Idiot: the other issue to bear in mind is this: although the downloaded file may be OK... it may be corrupted whilst writing to the device (USB/DVD). Those instructions, unfortunately, never show you how to check the hash on the device itself... if you want to do that too, let me know
[13:31] <Idiot> TJ-: Alright, I checked the checksum (sorry) and compared it to the ones on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes. None of them were the one I had.
[13:32] <TJ-> xSolidState: You don't... that's really my point... at whatever level our paranoia goes to, we can imagine an adversary that can attack that level, right down to the masks in the silicon chips. But my essential point was, in doing your own OS-level tracking, from my experience, you only have about a 25% chance that the device won't be immediately wiped. So, protect your data, but just plan on replacing the device rather than trying to trace it.
[13:33] <TJ-> Idiot: that sounds like the download was corrupted on your disk, so you may need to re-download the ISO, check the hash is correct, and then re-write it to the installer device
[13:33] <Idiot> TJ-: The download is definitely going to take a long time, but it'll be worth it, I guess.
[13:33] <ame> ciao
[13:33] <xSolidState> TJ-, thanks for your input. :)
[13:34] <TJ-> Idiot: well yes... no good tryng to install from a bad image
[13:34] <Idiot> TJ-: Anyway, thanks for the help.
[13:34] <TJ-> xSolidState: I agree with your motivations, and I do some extreme encryption stuff myself, so don't think I'm trying to disabuse you :) If you want to talk about it some more /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:37] <Matt_teni> hello
[13:38] <Matt_teni> guy i can chat here but can't open any site. whats happening?
[13:39] <ricard> bay tj and thaks
[13:39] <Matt_teni> i think something is up in the ntework setting
[13:41] <Idiot> Another question, is Ubuntu avaliable as a torrent?
[13:42] <xSolidState> yep. there is magnet links on the download pages Idiot
[13:43] <popey> Idiot: e.g. http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ torrent files there.
[13:43] <Idiot> Alrighty then. Thanks for answering.
[13:47] <pradeda> can anybody help me
[13:47] <ikonia> can certainly try, what's up ?
[13:47] <pradeda> i have ubuntu 14.04 works great on standard lcd
[13:47] <pradeda> but when i conect pc to tv via hdmi
[13:47] <pradeda> always dim screen even while using it
[13:47] <pradeda> how to disable this
[13:48] <pradeda> i dont have brightness controll
[13:48] <ikonia> a good question, I'm sure you could do it through /proc as a temporary situation, how to do it properly through power management (if it's not in the power managment gui) is a different question,
[13:48] <ikonia> which I don't have the answer to at the moment
[13:48] <pradeda> on lcd is all goog
[13:48] <pradeda> only over hdmi
[13:49] <pradeda> i tried everything found on intenet
[13:49] <ikonia> such as ?
[13:49] <ikonia> what have you tried ?
[13:49] <pradeda> brigthness and lock have only option turn off display
[13:49] <pradeda> whitch is set to never
[13:50] <pradeda> dconf
[13:50] <pradeda> gnome power has only dim screen idle
[13:50] <ikonia> it's dimming the TV screen right ?
[13:50] <pradeda> yes
[13:50] <ikonia> is it possible it's not dimming the screen
[13:51] <ikonia> and the colour config is just wrong for PC
[13:51] <ikonia> I'm not aware of a TV that has a "dim" control
[13:51] <pradeda> on windows work fine
[13:51] <pradeda> same tv
[13:51] <pradeda> same pc
[13:51] <ikonia> please re-read what I said
[13:51] <ikonia> I'm certainly not aware of a TV that has dimming options
[13:51] <pradeda> this is ubuntu isue
[13:52] <pradeda> but i have no more ideas
[13:52] <ikonia> re-read what I suggested
[13:52] <TJ-> pradeda: do you mean the TV changes its brightness down *and* up at random?
[13:52] <pradeda> i cant understnad clearly
[13:52] <pradeda> only down
[13:52] <pradeda> aftwer few seconds
[13:53] <pradeda> never up
[13:53] <TJ-> pradeda: does it seem to happen after the same amount of time after connecting the HDMI?
[13:53] <pradeda> hdmi is always connected
[13:53] <pradeda> when pc log on to ubuntu
[13:53] <pradeda> after few seconds
[13:53] <pradeda> screen start dim
[13:53] <pradeda> even if i use pc
[13:53] <TJ-> pradeda: OK, is that when the TV starts to display the PC image?
[13:54] <pradeda> no
[13:54] <pradeda> on logon image is bright
[13:54] <pradeda> as should
[13:54] <pradeda> but become darker
[13:54] <Egyptian[Home]> good morning .. i have a strange problem. an ubuntu machine can connect to 3 different internal webservers (all VMs on a kvm server) (including the windows vm on the ubuntu machine) and view the page but any other machine will be given a file to download. .. i need help figuring it out pls
[13:54] <pradeda> and cant bring bat brightness
[13:54] <Egyptian[Home]> the other machiens are windows too
[13:55] <telboon> my docky shows that it may not work as well without compositing manager. I figured that Unity kinda replaces that, and docky kinda works well. Is there any advantages with either one?
[13:55] <TJ-> pradeda: the reason I ask these questions is, there are a lot of known issues with various TV models, where they have inbuilt Ambient Light Sensors or Power Saving modes. Both of those can cause the symptoms you describe. I would suggest checking the manual/settings config of the TV first and adjusting those options, if found.
[13:55] <pradeda> there are no options
[13:55] <pradeda> for brightness
[13:55] <ikonia> TJ- ahhh great point, ambient light sensor could be seen as a "dimmer"
[13:56] <pradeda> i have only have turn off display hen inactive
[13:56] <pradeda> set as never
[13:56] <pradeda> and lock off
[13:56] <pradeda> no brightness level
[13:56] <TJ-> pradeda: I am talking about settings *in the TV* menus, not on the PC
[13:56] <pradeda> but
[13:56] <pradeda> on windows
[13:56] <pradeda> there are no issue
[13:57] <pradeda> i am not shure that settings exist
[13:57] <ikonia> look in the TV menu ?
[13:57] <pradeda> i dont have tv right now
[13:57] <TJ-> pradeda: that is why I recommended you read the TV manual, or check its menus
[13:57] <pradeda> this is friends pc and tv
[13:57] <ikonia> do it when you do have the TV ?
[13:58] <pradeda> ok
[13:58] <pradeda> thanks
[13:58] <pradeda> i have one more question
[13:58] <pradeda> how to upgrade 14.04 to 15.04
[13:58] <ikonia> !upgrade | pradeda
[13:58] <pradeda> i tried that
[13:59] <pradeda> but he says that has no new versions
[13:59] <ikonia> did you disable LTS only updated ?
[13:59] <pradeda> typed sudo apt-get update
[13:59] <ikonia> updates
[13:59] <pradeda> yes
[13:59] <ikonia> pradeda: what are the steps you did ?
[13:59] <pradeda> sometimes he sad that 14.10 avaible
[13:59] <pradeda> but cant upgrade
[13:59] <ikonia> pradeda: what are the steps you did ?
[13:59] <pradeda> sudo apt-get update
[14:00] <pradeda> sudo apt get upgrade
[14:00] <ikonia> that won't update or upgrade
[14:00] <pradeda> sudo do-release update
[14:00] <ikonia> and that is not what those documents say to do
[14:00] <pradeda> and he sad that no new versions
[14:00] <ikonia> I suggest you actually READ the documents rather than say "I've done that" before you've read them
[14:01] <pradeda> i dont have many knoweledge
[14:01] <pradeda> about that
[14:01] <ikonia> READ the documents then
[14:01] <ikonia> the ones you've just been linked to
[14:01] <pradeda> i will
[14:03] <Ryans_255> is it possible to encrypt folder and compress it with tar and and openssl enc -aes-256-cbc
[14:03] <Ryans_255> none do it?
[14:03] <ikonia> why would it not be possible
[14:03] <ikonia> tar is just a file like any other
[14:04] <pradeda> ikonia
[14:05] <pradeda> after i start update-manager
[14:05] <renn0xtk9> ikonia can my problem have something to do with a DNS server?
[14:05] <pradeda> he sad that system i up to date
[14:05] <pradeda> how to force upgrade?
[14:05] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: I suppose it's possible, but I don't see how
[14:06] <ikonia> pradeda: what did the link say about disabling LTS only updates ?
[14:06] <pradeda> i did that
[14:06] <ikonia> how
[14:06] <pradeda> and reboted
[14:06] <ikonia> how did you do that
[14:06] <pradeda> system settings
[14:06] <pradeda> updates
[14:06] <ikonia> is that how the guide I linked you to - told you to do it ?
[14:06] <pradeda> notify
[14:07] <Whitesquall> Ryans_255: something like this: "tar c your_secret_dir | openssl enc -aes-256-cbc -e secret.tar.enc"
[14:07] <pradeda> aboyt every release
[14:07] <pradeda> my syste os on sebian
[14:07] <ziomedes> this is a triumph. im making a note here, huge success. its hard to overstate my satisfaction
[14:07] <ziomedes> apature science
[14:07] <pradeda> but that is this
[14:07] <cumaxo> hello , could someone help me to install Intel graphics ?
[14:07] <renn0xtk9> ikoniam, since I use ubuntu, it is not very risky also to shut offf the firewall of the router, is it ?
[14:08] <renn0xtk9> cause ubuntu has its own firefox anyway doesn't it?
[14:08] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: you know there is no firewall blocking you
[14:08] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: we tested that with telnet earlier
[14:09] <ikonia> pradeda: what did you just say ?
[14:09] <pradeda> sorry for my english
[14:09] <renn0xtk9> okay
[14:09] <pradeda> tried to change serbian server to globar server
[14:09] <renn0xtk9> so i'll try changinge dns server
[14:09] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: I don't think it will have an impact
[14:10] <pradeda> than choose notify about every release
[14:10] <pradeda> than reboot
[14:10] <reda> hi
[14:10] <ikonia> renn0xtk9: we proved earlier dns was working
[14:10] <pradeda> still nothing
[14:10] <reda> kali
[14:10] <ikonia> pradeda: how does the guide I linked you to - tell you to do it
[14:10] <pradeda> i followerd guide
[14:10] <ikonia> pradeda: which guide
[14:10] <Oer> !kali | reda
[14:11] <pradeda> from your link
[14:11] <pradeda> update-manager
[14:11] <ikonia> pradeda: which link are you using
[14:11] <pradeda> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UtopicUpgrades
[14:11] <cumaxo> hi guys , I cant install Linux Intel gpraphic... ( non supported distro )
[14:12] <ikonia> cumaxo: then don't ask for help on in a supported distro channel
[14:13] <cumaxo> im using ubuntu
[14:13] <cumaxo> ...
[14:13] <ikonia> you just said it's a non-supported version
[14:13] <kadiro> i guess is 15.04
[14:13] <cumaxo> its my issue ( non supprted distro error )
[14:13] <ikonia> cumaxo: ok, my mistake, apologies
[14:13] <Oer> cumaxo, supported or non-supported, you don't need to install intel drivers. they are already there.
[14:14] <ikonia> cumaxo: what version of ubuntu are you using
[14:14] <cumaxo> Im having graphics issues ( red shadows under the letters... and more )
[14:14] <Technobliterator> You can go to Software -> Additional Drivers and it should search the internet for other drivers you can use
[14:14] <ikonia> no it won't
[14:15] <ikonia> not for intel xorg modules
[14:15] <Technobliterator> huh, that's how I installed my proprietary driver
[14:15] <Technobliterator> right, my bad
[14:15] <ikonia> intel isn't propritary
[14:15] <pradeda> ikonia upgrade sims to be started but progress indicator not move at all
[14:15] <pradeda> for some time
[14:15] <ikonia> pradeda: just wait for it to start then
[14:15] <cumaxo> so how could I do this with no problem ? I have another nvidia card as well
[14:15] <pradeda> internet is working fine
[14:16] <pradeda> i have one more question
[14:16] <ikonia> pradeda: it takes time to calculate dependencies
[14:16] <pradeda> why dont have brighntess control
[14:16] <pradeda> on brighntess and lock settings
[14:20] <kadiro> I have integreated intel graphic card and i'm never install a driver for it, it load automatically on all linux distribution
[14:22] <pradeda> ikonia thanks
[14:24] <cumaxo> Kadiro , Im having annoying issues due to the grpahics...
[14:24] <cumaxo> graphics*
[14:25] <cumaxo> seems like graphics issues ( red shadows under the leters )
[14:25] <kadiro> cumaxo: like reading HD video??
[14:25] <cumaxo> yes
[14:25] <kadiro> like me
[14:25] <cumaxo> or like 3D letters
[14:26] <kadiro> yes
[14:26] <cumaxo> seems like when you see 3D letters without the glasses.... ( red shapes around the icons and leters )
[14:26] <cumaxo> and I dont know how to fix... its really annoying , always having graphics issues with this pc
[14:27] <cumaxo> and with linux
[14:27] <kadiro> intel have some secret so for that
[14:27] <cumaxo> hmmm
[14:28] <cumaxo> so ... what to do then ?
[14:28] <kadiro> may be you want to manipulate in xorg.con to see but be carefull ( i'm never touch that )
[14:28] <kadiro> xorg.conf*
[14:29] <OerHeks> cumaxo, maybe resetting your monitor to defaults with its own menu, helps?
[14:30] <cumaxo> how to do that?
[14:30] <OerHeks> cumaxo, grab the manual of your monitor, hard to say how.
[14:31] <Roman_Empire> n
[14:32] <Roman_Empire> a
[14:32] <Roman_Empire> c
[14:32] <Roman_Empire> m
[14:32] <kadiro> hi OerHeks
[14:32] <uio> Hello, do you know where I could mind the mini.iso md5sums ?
[14:33] <kadiro> happy you are here, i found this link for cumaxo may be it's a good idea? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1809995&page=2
[14:33] <uio> doesn't seem to be at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Roman_Empire:  do you have an ubuntu related question ?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> guess not
[14:34] <kadiro> uio: check your transmition ( torrent ) to see if you downloaded from torrent
[14:34] <bloom> CIAO
[14:35] <uio> kadiro: I didn't use torrent...
[14:35] <kadiro> uio: what's the exact name for it?
[14:35] <al2o3-cr> uio: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD # check this link?
[14:35] <uio> kadiro: It comes up in downloads as 'mini.iso'
[14:36] <uio> al2o3-cr: Perfect --- thanks
[14:36] <al2o3-cr> uio: np
[14:36] <kadiro> may be this one: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[14:37] <cumaxo> Kadiro , about the link ... how to do that?
[14:37] <Ryans_255> Whitesquall : i can't extract files after i downlaod it on my PC ?
[14:37] <kadiro> cumaxo: read the link a user have solved the same problem
[14:38] <uio> Does anyone know if it is possible to set a password for an ubuntu live usb ? Could this work as a main OS ?
[14:38] <uio> ...dying harddrive...
[14:41] <Sansay_> Hey guys, im having issues installing mysql server keeps erroring out
[14:43] <Sansay_> debconf: (No usable dialog-like program is installed, so the dialog based frontend cannot be used. at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Dialog.pm line 76.) debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline
[14:44] <Sansay_> the apt-get got stuck on that error
[14:45] <mgolisch> thats not an error
[14:46] <makem> hi, i am just starting out in xubuntu and gadually finding replacements for winblows s/ware i use can anyone suggest a good replacement for microsoft money 2k3?
[14:46] <mgolisch> its called windows
[14:47] <SuperEngineer> ...or Windoze ;)
[14:47] <makem> whatever ;)
[14:47] <SuperEngineer> However, have you tried Homebank makem?
[14:48] <makem> ive not tried anything yet
[14:48] <makem> today is day1!
[14:48] <makem> i dont need business packages
[14:48] <SuperEngineer> [I recommend only because it is now what I use]
[14:48] <Sansay_> Errors were encountered while processing:  mysql-server-5.5 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[14:48] <makem> just family finance
[14:48] <tnetennba> good morning
[14:49] <makem> ty SE, i will reseach it
[14:50] <Whitesquall> Ryans_255: for encrypting: "tar c secret_dir | openssl enc -aes-256-cbc -e > secret_dir.tar.enc". For decrypting: "openssl enc -aes-256-cbc -d < secret_dir.tar.enc | tar x". I've tested commands.
[14:50] <speefak> hello
[14:51] <speefak> can anyone explain me how ca can rename a LVM psycalvolume ?
[14:51] <TJ-> speefak: you cannot rename PVs
[14:52] <TJ-> speefak: the 'name' of a PV is the device node name, e.g. /dev/sdZ
[14:52] <speefak> fuck
[14:52] <TJ-> !language | speefak
[14:52] <Seveas> speefak: watch the language.
[14:52] <speefak> something is wrong in my system
[14:52] <speefak> Seveas, deutsch is auch einfacher ;)
[14:53] <bloom> ciao a tutti
[14:53] <Seveas> speefak: aber hier wird nur englisch gesprochen.
[14:53] <speefak> also hab ich das richtig verstanden, dass eine PV
[14:53] <Seveas> speefak: and we don't swear in here.
[14:53] <speefak> ja wat denn nu
[14:53] <speefak> ok
[14:53] <speefak> again
[14:53] <somsip> !de | speefak
[14:53] <SuperEngineer> makem, If you don't use the direct connections to your your bank a/c[s] that your old microboft software could, Homebank should do you fine.
[14:53] <speefak> jajaja i
[14:53] <speefak> meine fresse is gut
[14:54] <makem> yes money stopped doing bank connecctions ages ago
[14:54] <makem> so sounds good
[14:54] <speefak> again : is is right that i cannot rename a phsyical volume  ?
[14:54] <SuperEngineer> [weow! shows how long ago I used their stuff!]  :D
[14:54] <Seveas> speefak: correct-ish.
[14:54] <speefak> but when the PV is  defined from connetion why is my hardrive listets as sda
[14:55] <speefak> and the mappe uses sdb3 als pv name
[14:55] <speefak> jetzt mal ersnthaft kann mir bitte mal jmd helfen
[14:55] <speefak> sitze seit 8 stunden heir und dreh gleich echt ab
[14:55] <OerHeks> English please, speefak
[14:56] <Seveas> speefak: german in #ubuntu-de
[14:56] <BluesKaj> speefak:  wrong chat with the deutch
[14:56] <Sansay_> could someone elp me install mysql-server keeps crashing and keeps telling me that the process are locked my another process, i go and try to kill the process and its the same thing ove and over
[14:57] <BluesKaj> err deutsch
[14:57] <aeden__D> Sansay_, what are you trying to do?
[14:58] <Seveas> speefak: the lvm subsystem mostly deals with uuid's though, so the pv name doesn't matter much I believe
[14:58] <Sansay_> im trying to install mysql-server
[14:58] <Wobbo> Hellowa. I try to adapt a Mac magic mouse. Now there can be found a lot of scrollin setting (/etc/modprobe.d/magicmouse.conf). But I like the speedcursor/pointerspeed slower. The Ubuntu settings can not be low enough. And I only want to change the settings of the Macmouse and not the "normal mouse".
[14:59] <Sansay_> apt-get install mysql-server-5.5 mysql-common mysql-client
[14:59] <speefak> Seveas, i dont know how can i explan in englisch
[14:59] <speefak> i dont know really what happend here in the diffenten data layers
[15:00] <Sansay_> now it brings me to a configuring mysql-server screen and asks for a new password but it has alot of random characters alreayd set and i can not enter apassword doesnt accpet my typing
[15:00] <speefak> so i just wanna  achnge the name sdb3_crypt beacuse the encryptek luks partiton is saved on sda
[15:00] <beejoomboom> \join #httpd
[15:00] <Sansay_> i also cant continue
[15:01] <aeden__D> Sansay_, which version of Ubuntu are you using? As of 12.04 MySQL 5.5 is the default. apt-get install mysql-server should be enough to get you started
[15:01] <loa> hello... how i can automate patch of new kernel?
[15:01] <loa> is there solution?
[15:02] <daftykins> loa: automate patch? you just keep up to date, kernel refreshes keep coming
[15:02] <aeden__D> Sansay_, this my seem like a dumb question, but you dont have a key stuck on your keyboard do you?
[15:02] <Sansay_> no i dont
[15:03] <Sansay_> right now its stuck
[15:03] <Sansay_> mysql stop/waiting
[15:03] <Sansay_> said this
[15:03] <Sansay_> and its doing nothing
[15:03] <Sansay_> do i kill this process
[15:03] <Sansay_> when i installed mysql the first time, i found outi didnt have the programm dialog installed
[15:03] <Sansay_> so i installed it
[15:03] <Seveas> !enter | Sansay_
[15:03] <humano1d> what is the word to open the sound mixer to turn up the sound?
[15:03] <Seveas> oh ffs
[15:04] <Seveas> Sansay_: stop using enter as spacebar.
[15:04] <aeden__D> Sansay_, you can if you want. if you dont have anything you want to save you can try removing mysql and purging and reinstalling
[15:04] <daftykins> humano1d: pavucontrol ? alsamixer ?
[15:04] <Sansay_> i did so many times
[15:04] <Sansay_> can we go through it
[15:04] <Sansay_> i just killed the process
[15:04] <TJ-> if speefak returns... someone tell them that "sdb3_crypt" is a device-mapper name created via "/etc/crypttab", so it can be changed there
[15:04] <Sansay_> root@server1:~# apt-get purge mysql-server mysql-client mysql-common E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[15:05] <Sansay_> should i kill the process?
[15:05] <humano1d> daftykins, thanks
[15:05] <aeden__D> Sansay_, what are the results of this: sudo netstat -tap | grep mysql
[15:05] <Sansay_> nothing at all
[15:06] <Seveas> Sansay_: so which package handling apps are still open?
[15:06] <loa> daftykins, i need to install this thing https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/5/17/17
[15:06] <Sansay_> apt-get and dpkg
[15:06] <Seveas> then wait for those to finish
[15:06] <Seveas> you can't run two apt-gets at the same time
[15:06] <Sansay_> i just killed the process
[15:06] <Seveas> that'd be bad
[15:07] <Sansay_> i mean i typed Ctr + z
[15:07] <Sansay_> it got stuck
[15:07] <loa> daftykins, so i need some system which will download last kernel, rebuild and install kernel with patch.
[15:07] <daftykins> loa: why do you believe you need that? what's going on?
[15:07] <Sansay_> when trying to install mysql it froze
[15:07] <Seveas> Sansay_: that's not killing, that's backgrounding. type fg to restore it
[15:07] <Sansay_> oh
[15:07] <loa> daftykins, i need because uvesafb works wrong for my video card.
[15:07] <souliaq> if I put multiple @reboot in cron, each one should be executed?  looks like only the first @reboot is being executed
[15:07] <Sansay_> last night it did this and did nothing
[15:08] <Sansay_> i left it over night
[15:08] <Sansay_> should i just wait
[15:08] <Seveas> souliaq: they should all be executed.
[15:08] <daftykins> loa: so the low resolution TTYs when proprietary nvidia is in use?
[15:08] <Seveas> Sansay_: pastebin the output of ps aux f
[15:08] <loa> daftykins, not just low... it is not scaled to fullscreen.
[15:08] <MonkeyDust> souliaq  what you can do:   @reboot command1; command2; command;   <-- mind the semicolons
[15:09] <daftykins> loa: oh well. no idea!
[15:09] <Sansay_> http://pastebin.com/cQKGjmN2
[15:09] <souliaq> ok, thanks!
[15:09] <Seveas> Sansay_: what kind of system is this? It doesn't look like ubuntu at all.
[15:10] <aeden__D> Sansay_, what is this??
[15:10] <aeden__D> Ubuntu?
[15:10] <MonkeyDust> Sansay_  what'zs the outcome of  cat /etc/issue
[15:10] <Sansay_> Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS \n \l
[15:10] <daftykins> that is out of date
[15:10] <Sansay_> is there an easy way for me to update?
[15:11] <Sansay_> its a rented server online
[15:11] <daftykins> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[15:11] <supergauntlet> Isn't 14.04 still lts
[15:11] <Seveas> Sansay_: no, this can't really be ubuntu 14.04, or you're lying in that pastebin.
[15:11] <Sansay_> why do you say that
[15:11] <daftykins> supergauntlet: yes but it's at 14.04.3 now.
[15:11] <Sansay_> thats exactly what showed up
[15:11] <Seveas> supergauntlet: it is, but 14.04.1 in /etc/issue means that you're missing a lot of updates :)
[15:11] <supergauntlet> ah right
[15:12] <daftykins> Seveas: +1
[15:12] <supergauntlet> forgot the point releases
[15:12] <Sansay_> Fetched 2848 kB in 3s (808 kB/s) E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[15:12] <bekks> Sansay_: Yeah, thats expected when randomly killing dpkg/apt-get processes-
[15:12] <daftykins> you have another package process running.
[15:12] <Sansay_> its that frozed mysql one
[15:12] <Sansay_> its still just stuck
[15:13] <Seveas> Sansay_: then whoever rented you this server seriously mangled the ubuntu install. Ask them for support.
[15:13] <Sansay_> at this point i could kill the original mysql install
[15:14] <Sansay_> try to run the upgrade and see what happens
[15:14] <aeden__D> or the host of whoever rented you that server...
[15:14] <Seveas> Sansay_: no, at this point you contact the people who rented you that server for support.
[15:14] <Sansay_> what am i tellinmg them?
[15:14] <Sansay_> nothing seems to work?
[15:14] <aeden__D> you want your money back
[15:14] <bekks> Sansay_: "I broke it, fix it please."
[15:14] <daftykins> ...or nuke it and start again
[15:15] <Seveas> that their ubuntu install is broken to the point that the ubuntu community won't support you with problems :)
[15:15] <aeden__D> Seveas, +1
[15:15] <Sansay_> this doesnt make any sense
[15:15] <TJ-> loa: it seems that uvesafb patch hasn't made it to the mainline kernel. You could add it as a patch to an ubuntu kernel and build it, that keeps you as close as possible to the Ubuntu source
[15:15] <Sansay_> what makes you think its not an ubuntu install
[15:16] <Seveas> Sansay_: lots of missing processes, including most of the expected kernel threads.
[15:16] <loa> TJ-, what mean "add it as patch" there is some strategy?
[15:16] <Seveas> or even cron...
[15:16] <Sansay_> okay that makes more sense
[15:16] <daftykins> dump it and get something decent like digitalocean ;)
[15:16] <Sansay_> because it didnt have dialog installed
[15:17] <Sansay_> which caused the first install to break
[15:17] <Sansay_> when i first tryied to instsall mysql it crashed because it didn thave dialog
[15:17] <loa> TJ-, i built using this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[15:17] <Sansay_> im running the full update now
[15:17] <loa> TJ-, but in the middle ofcoused i aplied that patch.
[15:18] <TJ-> loa: Yes, that should work fine for you
[15:18] <Sansay_> okay now it crashed
[15:18] <Sansay_> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.19-0ubuntu6.6_amd64.deb (--unpack):  subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.19-0ubuntu6.6_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error co
[15:18] <Seveas> Sansay_: stop fiddling with it.
[15:19] <Seveas> Go get your money back or get your provider to provide something usable. Anything else is a waste of time.
[15:19] <Sansay_> im going to send them a support ticket now
[15:20] <daftykins> Sansay_: who is it?
[15:20] <loa> TJ-, but there no automation or something?
[15:20] <Sansay_> https://servermania.com/
[15:20] <loa> or i need create my script for that?
[15:20] <TJ-> loa: what do you mean by automation?
[15:20] <loa> TJ-, mean that i hit apt-get upgrade and if there is new kernel all will be automated... now i just mark packages as hold.
[15:21] <ams0596> is anyone familier with idevicerestore
[15:21] <TJ-> loa: if you want to do this kind of build regularly then I'd recommend using the kernel git repositories and the git tooling to maintain the patch(es) you need
[15:21] <ams0596> is anyone familier with idevicerestore
[15:22] <compdoc> never heard of it
[15:22] <TJ-> loa: the other option is to create a DKMS package to build your modified version of the uvesafb module, in the same way as nvidia/vbox/vmware etc build kernel modules to match installed kernels.
[15:23] <daftykins> ams0596: only in that it's one of an experimental set of programs - what are you trying to achieve?
[15:25] <Sansay_> i sent them a ticket
[15:26] <daftykins> !pm | ams0596
[15:26] <xSolidState> can I have a different password for unlocking my home folder than for authentication?
[15:26] <daftykins> ams0596: pretty sure you have to contact Apple for that one.
[15:27] <loa> TJ-, i can install one module over another?
[15:27] <ubik__> helo, i want to develop a ubuntu phone app. but i don't know how to write to a .txt file within the application, can somebody help me?
[15:27] <ams0596> they wont do anything to help me
[15:27] <loa> TJ-, are not it will be package conflict or something?
[15:27] <daftykins> ams0596: bad luck then. definitely not an ubuntu issue
[15:27] <ams0596> it just keeps saying hey im trying to restore my new/used ipad that is icloud locked and haveing an issue
[15:27] <daftykins> !touch | ubik__ wrong channel
[15:27] <ams0596> ERROR: Invalid archive ERROR: Unable to extract BuildManifest from detect
[15:27] <mcphail> ubik__: ask in #ubuntu-app-devel, but it will be quiet there today
[15:29] <TJ-> loa: you might want to alter the install name of your version, but that can be done in the dkms.conf
[15:30] <loa> TJ-, alter = change?
[15:30] <TJ-> loa: yes
[15:30] <loa> but anyway i need uvesafb from that new kernel package...
[15:30] <loa> i know that it can not change too much... but anyway...
[15:31] <TJ-> loa: you'd use the directive DEST_MODULE_NAME[#]=
[15:34] <XavierG-2> Hi, what are the ways to recover and restore damaged unmountable ecryptfs partitions, please ?
[15:42] <MonkeyDust> XavierG-2  your question is really: how to mount a damaged ecryptfs partition
[15:44] <XavierG-2> MonkeyDust: Yes, to be able to get the files. Partition is recognized by no tool... http://i.imgur.com/vwn3YtW.jpg
[15:45] <shtrb> if there any firefox users here,  you might like to see this bug report  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=814169 (default settings will allow scammers to validate your email, location and ISP if you only hover over a bad link)
[15:45] <daftykins> XavierG-2: oh dear, that doesn't look good.
[15:46] <amu> i9 want to install codec of mpeg4 in backbox os help me
[15:46] <MonkeyDust> XavierG-2  that partition table is a work of art in itself
[15:46] <daftykins> !backbox | amu Sorry no support here.
[15:46] <Seveas> amu: ask backbox support.
[15:46] <cfhowlett> amu, sorry.  backbox is not ubuntu and no support here
[15:46] <ioria> XavierG-2, have you tried to mount them from livecd  ?
[15:47] <XavierG-2> daftykins: No, problem occured after update from Ubuntu 14.10 to 15.04. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2280989&p=13339264#post13339264
[15:47] <amu> can u get me  commands that used by old ubuntu  users for getting codecs in their ubuntu
[15:47] <Seveas> amu: ask backbox support.
[15:47] <XavierG-2> ioria: yes, from Ubuntu, Caine and DEFT LiveCD. I did not succeed. Reinstalled Ubuntu 15.04 without formatting those partitions, but still no mount possible
[15:47] <MonkeyDust> amu  you're in the wrong channel
[15:48] <cfhowlett> amu, the command you want is /join Backbox. NOT supported here because it IS NOT ubuntu.  sorry.
[15:48] <ioria> XavierG-2, what command did you use to mount ?
[15:49] <Seveas> shtrb: well, that's nice :/
[15:50] <XavierG-2> ioria: the basic "sudo mount", or add them to fstab with ecryptfs type. Also tried ecryptfs-recover-private
[15:52] <ioria> XavierG-2, sudo parted -l ?
[15:53] <husaria> Hi all, I have problem with audio driver they doesn't exist  I don't know why I didn't do anything with laptop only I've done is upgrade whole system. I have version Vivid Vervet can anyone help me? I tried step from the website
[15:54] <Seveas> husaria: so you didn't do anything but at the same time tried some 'step from the website'?
[15:54] <Seveas> please tell us exactly what you did
[15:54] <XavierG-2> ioria: They are detected, but without file system identified: 7 281GB 306GB 25,6GB - 8 306GB 411GB 105GB
[15:56] <Seveas> XavierG-2: file < /dev/sda7
[15:57] <TJ-> XavierG-2: just looked at your forum post. Are you 100% sure the partitions were using ecryptfs? I'd have expected it to be LUKS/dm-crypt. Try "cryptsetup isLuks /dev/sda7"
[15:57] <telboon> anyone uses Canonical Partners repositories?
[15:57] <makem> SuperEcurrency and ggpngineer - Homebank is no good for me - i need chinese
[15:57] <Seveas> TJ-: luks != ecryptfs
[15:57] <MonkeyDust> tel yes
[15:57] <TJ-> Seveas: indeeed, that is my point
[15:57] <telboon> What kind of software will be available in Canonical Partners repositories?
[15:57] <MonkeyDust> telboon  yes*
[15:57] <TJ-> Seveas: there is no evidence the partition uses ecryptfs in the forum post
[15:58] <Seveas> TJ-: ah I see. Misread part of that line :)
[15:58] <makem> superengineer homebank no good for me as i need yuan and gbp
[15:58] <XavierG-2> Seveas: sudo file < /dev/sda7 => bash: /dev/sda7: Permission non accordée (permission not allowed)
[15:58] <ioria> XavierG-2, that would have been first question: How did you encrypt the partition ?
[15:58] <TJ-> Seveas: the image linked in the forum post specifically shows "ecryptfs-status /dev/sda7  reporting "marker not found in header"
[15:58] <Seveas> telboon: things like skype
[15:58] <Seveas> XavierG-2: try it as root
[15:59] <telboon> Seveas & MonkeyDust: thanks. Will enable it then!
[16:00] <TJ-> XavierG-2: "sudo file -s /dev/sda7"
[16:01] <Seveas> TJ-: heh. TIL.
[16:01] <XavierG-2> TJ-: /dev/sda7: data
[16:02] <XavierG-2> TJ-: I bought the computer mid-2013 so I should have installed first Ubuntu 13.04 with encrypted home.At this time it was ecryptfs or still Luks ?
[16:02] <TJ-> XavierG-2: OK, how about "sudo cryptsetup isLuks /dev/sda7 && echo Yes"
[16:02] <Seveas> XavierG-2: could be ecryptfs, but ecryptfs doesn't do full disk encryption. It sits on top of an existing filesystem
[16:02] <XavierG-2> ioria: I encrypted partition at the Ubuntu installation (choose option during the process)
[16:04] <XavierG-2> TJ-: this command doesn't return anything
[16:05] <TJ-> XavierG-2: OK, that means it isn't LUKS either
[16:06] <TJ-> XavierG-2: which release of Ubuntu was it you used the installer for, that encrypted the /home partition? the installer, when doing user home directory encryption, uses per-file/filename encryption, not block device (partition)
[16:06] <ioria> XavierG-2,  did you encrypt only home or you choose entire disk encryption ? do  you remember ?
[16:07] <TJ-> ioria: if it were FDE then it would be LUKS, and isLuks says not that
[16:07] <ioria> ok
[16:07] <TJ-> XavierG-2: the encryption was done by the standard Ubuntu installer, yes? You didn't do anything custom yourself ?
[16:08] <TJ-> The only way it could be LUKS is if some custom steps were taken that used a detached LUKS header, so sda7 would be the raw dm-crypt device with no header
[16:09] <Seveas> TJ-: that sounds unlikely though
[16:09] <XavierG-2> TJ-: I'm not sure unfortunately, I would say 13.04 as I bought the computer on August 2013 but perhaps after I reinstalled... Sure it was before 14.10 as I did upgrade from 14.04
[16:10] <XavierG-2> ioria: only /home as proposed, the / partition was not encrypted (and still readable from LiveCd before i reinstalled)
[16:10] <TJ-> XavierG-2: OK, not long ago then, so we know for sure how the encryption options the installer would offer are Full Disk Encryption using LUKS/dm-crypt, or user home directory using ecryptfs
[16:10] <XavierG-2> TJ-: yes, by syandard Ubuntu installer, I did not do anything else. All crashed at the restart after 15.04 upgrade
[16:11] <TJ-> XavierG-2: I'm getting a little concerned that maybe you misunderstood the options at install time. Let me explain a possible scenario - feel free to shoot me down on this
[16:13] <TJ-> XavierG-2: During installation time you chose manual partitioning and created a partition for /home/ ... later you chose user home directory encryption. For some reason your /home/ partition was ignored and /home/ was created in the root file-system... log-ins and files would work, but once the old root file-system was wiped the files would be gone. /dev/sda7 may not have ever contained any data
[16:14] <TJ-> XavierG-2: can you do "pastebinit <(sudo dd if=/dev/sda7 count=1 | hexdump -C)" ?
[16:14] <TJ-> XavierG-2: it's possible that partition only contains zeros
[16:16] <XavierG-2> TJ-: possible but I don't think, / was around 30 Gb, /home 25 and it seemed correct in file manager
[16:16] <mous_> hello
[16:17] <daftykins> hi
[16:18] <cashnguns> yo
[16:18] <XavierG-2> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12098736/
[16:18] <maer> im in 12.04 live cd, how can i install  ad-hotspot  pkg?
[16:19] <daftykins> 0's - eek.
[16:19] <mous_> i have this problem with my backlight i can change it with hotkeys and the brightness number changes in the intel_backlight/actual_brightness but when i change it with the applet its not working any ideas on how to solve this?
[16:19] <XavierG-2> TJ-: same command for sda8 http://paste.ubuntu.com/12098749/
[16:23] <maer> ( . Y . )
[16:26] <Batholith> I'm installing nvidia drivers. Wish me luck!
[16:27] <maer> mous_: how do you enable this brightness applet, i don't see it
[16:27] <TJ-> XavierG-2: OK... possibility that /dev/sda7 might be all zeros, although we only looked at the first 512-byte logical sector... /dev/sda8 looks more interesting though. Try "sudo blkid /dev/sda8"
[16:27] <daftykins> Batholith: none required, unless you downloaded from their site - in which case, bad move
[16:28] <Batholith> I got it from aptitude.
[16:28] <Batholith> Does it require restart to take effect?
[16:28] <daftykins> yes
[16:28] <maer> Batholith: maybe just restart X_
[16:29] <maer> _ / ?
[16:29] <XavierG-2> TJ-: /dev/sda8: PARTUUID="6177e409-c124-4a61-8fe6-54fd5e184f1b"
[16:29] <TJ-> XavierG-2: Was /dev/sda8 one of the preserved partitions?
[16:30] <TJ-> XavierG-2: try "sudo file -s /dev/sda8"
[16:30] <XavierG-2> Yes, preserved but inaccessible as sda7
[16:30] <XavierG-2> TJ-: Same answer /dev/sda8: data
[16:30] <Batholith> Alright, so far so good. Now, how to get rid of mouse acceleration?
[16:31] <TJ-> Batholith: nail its tail to the desk :)
[16:31] <maer>  /etc/X11/xorgconf.d/20-ndivia.conf
[16:32] <maer> or something similar, i think mouse acc on/off is in it
[16:32] <TJ-> XavierG-2: hmm that makes no sense when blkid shows is a partition UUID
[16:33] <mous_> maer, i have this brightness applet (slider) on my panel and i checked it changes the intel_backlight/actual_brightness value
[16:34] <maer> will we see lubuntu on mediatek smart phones?
[16:35] <TJ-> XavierG-2: oh, of course, /dev/sda has a GPT disk-label doesn't it?
[16:35] <cfhowlett> maer, no plans for that
[16:36] <Batholith> Woo! Irssi works!
[16:36] <XavierG-2> TJ-: Yes, testdisk says "EFI GPT partition table type has been detected"
[16:37] <Benne> hey
[16:38] <TJ-> XavierG-2: I think you proceed in 2 steps: 1) find out how much of /dev/sda7 is all zeros - all all, then nothing in it and 2) identify contents of /dev/sda8
[16:42] <SuperLag> Let's say you have a job running on an Ubuntu box that's using the GPU for math/science stuffs. Is running an upgrade on the box, which will update the Nvidia drivers going to affect that running job, or only subsequent jobs?
[16:43] <SuperLag> Batholith: of course it does :)
[16:43] <daftykins> SuperLag: i would not even try to find out.
[16:43] <daftykins> and yes it could mess with CUDA libs or some such
[16:43] <SuperLag> daftykins: too late :(
[16:43] <Batholith> SuperLag, Well, I didn't use it for long! I'm on HexChat now. :)
[16:44] <humano1d> how do you check which ubuntu version you have via command line?
[16:44] <SuperLag> daftykins: I didn't find out about that users job until after I'd completed the upgrade, and they *are* using the CUDA drivers. :/
[16:44] <daftykins> humano1d: lsb_release -d
[16:44] <SuperLag> humano1d: lsb_release -a is one way
[16:44] <daftykins> or cat /etc/issue
[16:44] <ioria> XavierG-2, sorry for asking...  are you sure you didn't install  ecryptfs-utils   and encrypt  manually instead  leaving the job to  the installer ?
[16:45] <XavierG-2> TJ-: thanks for your help. sdaè with count=2 I get only zeros, with count=3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12098998/
[16:45] <SuperLag> Batholith: I've been on IRC for... ~16 years. I've tried soooooo many different clients. I *always* end up coming back to irssi. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[16:45] <XavierG-2> ioria: yes, 100% sure
[16:45] <ioria> ok
[16:45] <SuperLag> daftykins: crap. :/
[16:46] <daftykins> SuperLag: foolish move.
[16:46] <XavierG-2> ioria: I also did manual encryption on another partition (this one was OK), but I used EncFS for that. Home was during install.
[16:48] <maer> SuperLag: have you ever seen an irc client which displays new msgs on top, i mean the chat flow is from top to bottom or reversed
[16:48] <SuperLag> maer: I haven't, but that kind of defies the logic of how you read
[16:48] <TJ-> XavierG-2: let's give cryptmount a try. "sudo apt-get install cryptmount" than try "sudo cryptmount --mount /dev/sda7" and "sudo cryptmount --mount /dev/sda8" and see if it believes those are encrypted block devices
[16:49] <SuperLag> daftykins: no doubt :(
[16:51] <XavierG-2> TJ-: it seems not. sudo cryptmount --mount /dev/sda7 : Nom de cible "/dev/sda7" n'est pas reconnu (target name not recognized)
[16:52] <snoop_doge> good morning all
[16:53] <snoop_doge> i need help setting up a seperate user account for my daughter to login with
[16:53] <snoop_doge> i found the user account app
[16:53] <snoop_doge> and made an account
[16:53] <cfhowlett> system > users and groups > add user > desktop > no password
[16:53] <snoop_doge> but how do i set her passowrd?
[16:53] <TJ-> XavierG-2: Well, it seems like whatever you've got/done there, it certainly isn't anything the standard ubuntu installer does. Without hands-on with it, it's impossible to do much more. Looking at the partition contents with dd | hexdump -C is what I'd be doing, to see if it all 'looked' randomised (encrypted) or if patterns are detectable (not encrypted)
[16:54] <cfhowlett> snoop_doge, account properties
[16:54] <snoop_doge> ok
[16:54] <snoop_doge> ill try
[16:55] <snoop_doge> wierd. my unlock button seems to be disabled
[16:56] <snoop_doge> is there something i can do?
[16:56] <daftykins> you could just run "passwd <daughters_username"
[16:56] <daftykins> in the terminal.
[16:56] <XavierG-2> TJ-: that's what I feared. There is no way to "repair" partition in order ecryptfs recognizes it ?
[16:56] <snoop_doge> ok
[16:57] <snoop_doge> my unlock button seems to be disabled, i cant add new users now
[16:57] <daftykins> close and re-open
[16:57] <cfhowlett> snoop_doge, sudo passwd <daughter's_username>
[16:58] <daftykins> oops ^
[16:58] <snoop_doge> i need to create a new user first, because i removed it
[16:59] <Shabba> f ya
[16:59] <TJ-> XavierG-2: let me have a look at more of the data: "pastebinit <( sudo dd if=/dev/sda7 bs=512 count=2049 | xxd -g 4 -cols 32 - )"
[16:59] <Shabba> pretty sure mentioning you in Russia is now illegal Shrooms
[17:00] <Shrooms> Excellent. :)
[17:00] <Shabba> bout time right
[17:00] <Shrooms> Yup.
[17:01] <Shabba> it amazes me how comfortable you all are with this wack diy OS
[17:02] <XavierG-2> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12099242/
[17:02] <TJ-> XavierG-2: I think we managed to stall the pastebin server :0
[17:02] <Shabba> really cant believe im back here in irc, what is this 1997?
[17:03] <modern> bwahaha
[17:03] <Shabba> anyone got a warez ftp?
[17:03] <daftykins> !ot | Shabba
[17:03] <Johnny_Linux> !ot | Shabba
[17:03] <Shabba> lol
[17:03] <cfhowlett> Shabba, no warez.  please stay on topic: ubuntu support
[17:03] <Shabba> next thing im gonna get slapped with a trout
[17:04] <daftykins> that would require mIRC
[17:04]  * modern slaps Shabba around a bit with a large trout
[17:04] <Shabba> was a joke man ala 1997
[17:04] <Shabba> damnit
[17:06] <Shabba> after i get the main commands down should I look into shell programming next?
[17:07] <Shabba> or scripting... isnt that the same thing?
[17:09] <i-make-robots> hi!  I'm not sure what chan to ask in... I have an ubuntu server running apache+phpbb.  my phpbb registration confirmation emails are not being received by customers, but I'm getting all my "someone commented on your forum thread" emails.  Where would I go for help debugging this issue?
[17:09] <i-make-robots> i'm using the default mail client on the server.
[17:10] <Seveas> i-make-robots: check your mailserver config and logs. Is it relaying properly? If not, why not?
[17:10] <i-make-robots> how do i check, please?  I'm logged in now, but I don't really grok mail().
[17:10] <TJ-> XavierG-2: That definitely looks to be randomised, so possibly encrypted
[17:10] <Seveas> i-make-robots: check /var/log/mail.log for instance
[17:11] <i-make-robots> tail mail.log is empty...
[17:11] <i-make-robots> checking mail.err
[17:11] <i-make-robots> also nothing.
[17:12] <XavierG-2> TJ-: if partition is corrupted, any way with dd or so to copy encrypted datas elsewhere and try to recover them with ecryptfs or it's lost ?
[17:13] <i-make-robots> Seveas - thank you for helping.  Any more ideas?
[17:13] <maer> how can i share wifi for android to connect to?
[17:13] <Seveas> i-make-robots: which mailserver did you install?
[17:13] <SuperLag> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12099365/
[17:14] <i-make-robots> seveas - I'm using mail().
[17:15] <TJ-> XavierG-2: ecryptfs is a stacked file-system encryption, it works on files, not block devices, so this isn't encFS/ecryptfs material.
[17:15] <SuperLag> I don't know regex enough to figure out how to get just the rows with two-digit usages or greater. (i.e. 10GB or more)
[17:15] <i-make-robots> and some mail is being delivered, just not confirmation emails.
[17:16] <TJ-> XavierG-2: there is a possibility it is plain dm-crypt, and we can try unlocking it on that assumption, if you like
[17:17] <Batholith> How do I know if I have alsa or pulseaudio in use?
[17:17] <TJ-> XavierG-2: however, for that you *must* know the precise encryption cipher chain, key-size, and key
[17:19] <XavierG-2> TJ-: Ah, no ecryptfs, no Luks, no True or Veracrypt, wtf did happen ? As I said to ioria, I was sure to have encrypted /home during install.
[17:19] <TJ-> XavierG-2: I don't know the answer to that...yet! I am intrigued by how you managed to do this though... it's *very* secure!!!
[17:20] <TJ-> XavierG-2: you know the original password/phrase I assume?
[17:20] <Batholith> I'm trying to get my Xonar Pheobus to work with Ubuntu now. :(
[17:21] <XavierG-2> TJ-: yes, I was happy to see that my computer was well protected if stolen. Strange... Password yes, passphrase no (perhaps I saved it, but in this case on the computer). It would be possible to recover it if it was ecryptfs with unwrap.
[17:22] <TJ-> XavierG-2: password/passphrase ... 2 words for the same thing
[17:24] <TJ-> XavierG-2: What I find strange is that /dev/sda7 has 2 sectors empty at the start (1KB). That means it can't be plain dm-crypt, although it could be dm-crypt with an offset=2. /dev/sda8 could be plain dm-crypt since the random/encrypted data begins at the start. Either way, none of the Ubuntu tools would create this.
[17:24] <XavierG-2> TJ-: I mean login password for /home, I have it, not the generated passphrase. But for that I need access to /.ecryptfs/Private. Even if it's plain dm-crypt, I would not be able to provide cipher chain, key-size, key as I just remember having choosen home encryption at install.
[17:25] <ioria> XavierG-2,  do you have an hidden folder in /home      .ecryptfs ?
[17:26] <TJ-> XavierG-2: That's the strange part.. sda7 sda8 are not ecryptfs, so that doesn't apply. If they are encrypted, then they have no recognisable header, so the only Linux option for that would be dm-crypt, or else they have never been encrypted but have been randomised (from /dev/urandom maybe)
[17:26] <XavierG-2> TJ-: OK, I think I tried all possible things. Fortunately I had backups of the most important datas, but not those 2 partitions with also neede ones. In my new reinstalled home, yes (I again choosed encryption)
[17:28] <TJ-> XavierG-2: if you know the original password, it's worth trying that with dm-crypt on those partitions in case it works
[17:29] <XavierG-2> TJ-: what would be the command for dm-crypt please ?
[17:30] <zykotick9> XavierG-2: <just my opinion> but if you want encrypted filesystem(s) i'd suggest using LUKS instead of the home encryption stuff.... but YMMV
[17:30] <TJ-> XavierG-2: "sudo cryptsetup type=plain open /dev/sda8 decrypted_sda8"
[17:32] <TJ-> XavierG-2: typo! "sudo cryptsetup --type=plain open /dev/sda8 decrypted_sda8"
[17:32] <Ryans_255> why lynx tool doesn't work perfect with youtube playlist
[17:32] <TJ-> XavierG-2: for sda7 you need to offset over those 2 empty sectors: "sudo cryptsetup --type=plain --offset=2 open /dev/sda7 decrypted_sda7"
[17:33] <Ryans_255> everytime i try to "lynx -dump youtube/list/link"
[17:33] <MAtahari> hi. how can I make KDE apps look right in gnome?
[17:33] <XavierG-2> TJ-; thanks a lot for your help, I will try that. Or I organize a game for decrypt challenge ! And thanks for the LUKS advice, I will perhaps re-install again as I did not configure a lot this Ubuntu since yesterday, to avoid another problem at next version ugrade.
[17:33] <Ryans_255> it only show the first 100 vedio links not the rest video link
[17:33] <Idiot> TJ-:  I downloaded Ubuntu again. This time its MD5 matched one of the ones on the list.
[17:34] <TJ-> XavierG-2: the only way I can think the system could get into that state is via disk corruption... data sprayed to random locations due to, say, a power flucutation/loss
[17:34] <TJ-> Idiot: so that was the issue... glad you got it solved :)
[17:34] <bomber92> ciao
[17:36] <XavierG-2> TJ-: that will definitively be a good lesson for me. BACKUPS ! I knew it, but did not do them enough, classic behavior...
[17:36] <ioria> TJ- do you know what does it mean exactly in his ecryptfs-stat command: unable to resolve host ls14  ?
[17:37] <TJ-> XavierG-2: as well as knowing what exactly is being done when its encrypted!
[17:37] <TJ-> ioria: sounds rather like that sudo issue when the hostname can't be resolved
[17:37] <XavierG-2> TJ-: yes, remember what type of encryption, passphrase, password...
[17:37] <ioria> TJ-  ok, thanks
[17:37] <Idiot> TJ-: Hopefully the installation will go without problems. But then again, you have to be realistic abut these things.
[17:37] <TJ-> ioria: the command-line shows xavierg@ls14
[17:37] <XavierG-2> ioria: just I chenged my computer name and did not update the /etc/hosts file
[17:38] <ioria> ok
[17:39] <TJ-> XavierG-2: as you did an in-place upgrade to 15.04 we can't blame incorrect partitioning in the installer, unfortunately
[17:39] <TJ-> XavierG-2: however, if you're dual-booting with Windows... we might be able to blame Windows for changing partition layouts :)
[17:40] <TJ-> XavierG-2: My first thought on seeing the raw data was... something has repartitioned this disk so the partitions now start in different places, and we're missing the headers
[17:40] <Ryans_255> ??
[17:41] <BBLLCC> openjdk-amd64, on htop there are like 50 lines with that command. whats that?
[17:42] <XavierG-2> TJ-: That's why I wanted to try Testdisk, I will perhaps look again. I will also wait for W10 upgrade before re-installing Ubuntu with Luks ! And make a cleaner partitioning ;)
[17:42] <xSolidState> im having trouble configuring my digitizer. I tried xinput_calibrator but i cant fix it witht that tool. the digitizer is larger than the screen so when you hold the pen further from the center, the cursor "stays behind", basically a percentual offset towards the middle. How do i fix this?
[17:42] <BBLLCC> usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
[17:42] <BBLLCC> usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/javadnetworkaddress.cache.ttl=0
[17:43] <BBLLCC> memleak?
[17:44] <ioria> XavierG-2,  do you have in your parted -l a /dev/mapper/  something ?
[17:48] <XavierG-2> ioria: yes, for the new cryptswap1 http://i.imgur.com/m2pxHFu.png
[17:52] <ioria> XavierG-2,  if you run udisksctl unlock -b /dev/sdb7   ?
[17:53] <ioria> XavierG-2,  sorry, if you run udisksctl unlock -b /dev/sda7   ?
[17:53] <XavierG-2> ioria: sudo udisksctl unlock -b /dev/sda7 => Object /org/freedesktop/UDisks2/block_devices/sda7 is not an encrypted device.
[17:53] <TJ-> XavierG-2: OK, I read yuour complete forum post and looked at the imgur photos... /dev/sda8 is encrypted swap, so we can discount that
[17:54] <TJ-> XavierG-2: also, you originally had /dev/sda10  mounted to /home/xavierg/Sauvegardes - what was/is that?
[17:55] <TJ-> XavierG-2: /dev/sda7 was the original root file-system during installation
[17:56] <ioria>  /dev/sda7 it's 'inconnu'   http://i.imgur.com/vwn3YtW.jpg
[17:57] <TJ-> XavierG-2: and according to an imgur photo, the Sauvegardes mountpoint is the one failing: http://i.imgur.com/4vQlDQ0.png
[17:58] <TJ-> ioria: ignore that; that's just gparted reporting the designated partition type
[17:58] <TJ-> ioria: look at the original fstab, and the log-in failure messages
[17:58] <ioria> ok
[17:59] <TJ-> XavierG-2: also, there's another imgur photo showing /etc/crypttab - was that the original file contents that used to work or is it after you changed it?
[18:00] <XavierG-2> TJ-: The Sauvegarde mountpoint was another partition, not encrypted (but with Dropbox folder and EncFS inside) which was still available after 15.04 upgrade and crash. I could access it on LiveCD. I deleted it, added the sda9 swap and this is now my sda12 and new home.
[18:00] <TJ-> XavierG-2: OK, so we can discount /dev/sda10 too.
[18:05] <XavierG-2> TJ-: where do you see the photo with /etc/crypttab ? The swap was on a 100 Gb partition ?
[18:05] <TJ-> XavierG-2: http://i.imgur.com/Ldhd5Zp.png
[18:06] <Finetundra> Hello folks, anyone know why I'm getting freezing when playing games under wine?
[18:06] <TJ-> XavierG-2: it shows that the system had /dev/sda8 as encrypted swap - which is the standard configuration
[18:06] <erkan^> he MonkeyDust  I use Ubuntu MATE now (-:
[18:06] <TJ-> XavierG-2: if it is the original crypttab, then it confirms there was no LUKS/dm-crypt device configured
[18:07] <XavierG-2> TJ-: Yes, it's the original file content (I accessed it on the / system in a LiveCD session, so the / was not encrypted)
[18:08] <TJ-> XavierG-2: but, "fstab 1" - if that is the original - tells us that /dev/sda9 was /home/ and wasn't encrypted, so any ecryptfs would be under /home/.ecryptfs/xavierg/
[18:10] <XavierG-2> TJ-: ah, it's the unknwown UUID that Gparted did not show me, I never found it. Yes normally fstab1 was the original, fstab2 the one I modified to try reboot. Complete mix...
[18:12] <TJ-> XavierG-2: I've just compared the 2 gparted screenshots, and it looks like you manually repartitioned from sda9 onwards at some point
[18:12] <TJ-> XavierG-2: if the original /home/ was on /dev/sda9 that explains how you lost it, and the encrypted files
[18:14] <everlast> hi
[18:14] <Obituaryy> ji
[18:14] <Obituaryy> hhi you all
[18:14] <XavierG-2> TJ-: or it happened during upgrade, because I did not modify partitions before. Btw it confirms your fear that partitions / headers are lost, so the files, too
[18:15] <everlast> quit
[18:15] <TJ-> XavierG-2: yes, we can't know why it happened. I suspect some kind of systemd issue that led you to think the data was elsewhere, and then you repartitioned that part of the disk
[18:17] <XavierG-2> TJ-: that's fully possible... I hate systemd, it can't even work with a hard drive chenge (nned to boot on upstart to modify fstab on another PC), and here for the first release with systemd, it crashed everything for me :(
[18:17] <RaMcHiP> Hello all!
[18:19] <TJ-> XavierG-2: it's all or nothing I think. Not a good idea to upgrade from upstart to systemd in many situations, seems to be too many scenarios where it can fail hard.
[18:19] <i-make-robots> how do i check which MTA I'm using on my ubuntu server?  I don't have postfix installed.
[18:20] <XavierG-2> TJ-: I will accept my datas are gone, delete partitions and reinstall. Will also try to make a bug report if it can help developers, but difficult as extrem complicated case and not sure what caused the problem.
[18:22] <TJ-> XavierG-2: I don't think a bug report is worth your time; without evidence and reproduceable steps nothign can be done
[18:22] <XavierG-2> TJ-: because in April 2016 some people will upgrade from last LTS 14.04, and perhaps could face same situation. Or other ones who still did not switch from 14.10 to 15.04
[18:23] <ioria> XavierG-2,  right, but they should know perfectly all (=ALL) the  steps you did from a to z
[18:25] <XavierG-2> ioria: yes, even me can not be totally sure of all of them - I don't remember with which version of Ubuntu I did this /home encryption
[18:25] <TJ-> It looks to me from the gparted screeshots as if the original issue was the partition table becoming corrupted in some way, which on reboot meant the OS couldn't find file-systems. That would affect any init system, upstart or systemd
[18:26] <TJ-> /dev/sda8 (swap) is listed as 97 GiB ... can't be correct
[18:26] <ioria> XavierG-2,  anyway... if you could write a note with almost all you did , you can back here and some of us could try to reproduce your issue
[18:27] <XavierG-2> TJ-: that's right, because even with selecting upstart boot after upgrade, it did not find any /home and could not boot
[18:27] <XavierG-2> TJ-: I just had access to guest session, with all programs installed, but not my user profile
[18:28] <TJ-> XavierG-2: I believe the guest session gets mounted on a RAM-based tempfs, so that would work even with a missing /home/ mount
[18:28] <XavierG-2> ioria: yes, with the forum posts and all notes I've taken today, I'll try to complete it. But the W8 double boot doesn't help I think
[18:29] <ioria> XavierG-2,  i got a win8 copy .... :-þ
[18:29] <XavierG-2> TJ-: seems that / and Sauvegardes were not corrupted but swap and home yes.
[18:30] <TJ-> XavierG-2: My best guess is, from what I can see, that originally /dev/sda7 was probably about 116GiB and /dev/sda8 (swap) was about 4 GiB
[18:30] <TJ-> XavierG-2: how much RAM was installed in the system when it was installed?
[18:31] <XavierG-2> TJ-: 4 Go
[18:31] <TJ-> XavierG-2: right, so swap would have been the same
[18:33] <ozzy_> ciao a tutti
[18:33] <daftykins> !it
[18:34] <TJ-> XavierG-2: as to what would have written random data/encrypted to sda7 ... I can imagine that happening if the encrypted swap partition looked to start 2 sectors into sda7 ... the kernel would happily write to it as it paged memory
[18:35] <TJ-> XavierG-2: has that system ever shown any signed of memory corruption... mysterious crashing applications? I'm wondering if a faulty RAM module could have started this by corrupting in-memory data structures
[18:35] <TJ-> XavierG-2: in which case your reinstall might suffer the same way.
[18:36] <Tahr-user> hi
[18:36] <Tahr-user> is there a sha1sum checksum i can check against for the ubuntu installer
[18:37] <Tahr-user> or where can i find the signing keys?
[18:37] <TJ-> !checksums | Tahr-user
[18:37] <TJ-> !checksum | Tahr-user
[18:38] <TJ-> Tahr-user: for "MD5" read also SHA sums of various sizes
[18:38] <XavierG-2> TJ-: sometimes LibreOffice crashes yes, or Thunderbird (there are always opened). I will perform a memtest
[18:38] <Seveas> Tahr-user: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04.3/
[18:38] <Seveas> that's for the latest release of trusty tahr
[18:39] <xerox> hello! how do I install this package (the particular version 1.12) on ubuntu 14.10 ?
[18:39] <xerox> http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/livestreamer
[18:40] <k1l_> xerox: ubuntu 14.10 is EOL. you should upgrade to 15.04 first
[18:40] <MonkeyDust> xerox  14.10 is dead, no longer supported, !eol
[18:40] <xerox> is it possible to download the .deb from somewhere and install it anyway?
[18:41] <MonkeyDust> xerox  first upgrade, then ask again
[18:41] <nT4BR> hey guys
[18:41] <xerox> unfortunately I can't, thanks anyways k1l_ and MonkeyDust! appreciate the time taken to answer
[18:41] <nT4BR> i have windows 10 in my computer, and arch linux in dual boot through uefi
[18:41] <k1l_> xerox: maybe its not installable because the not-15.10 doesnt have the depencies
[18:42] <k1l_> xerox: if you cant upgraade every 6 months you should consider staying at the LTS version. that got 5 years support
[18:42] <xerox> k1l_: I have upgraded it on osx (via web) without any changes to the dependencies, so I think it should be fine.
[18:42] <nT4BR> my doubt is, if in the ubuntu installer, i set boot to mount in windows fat uefi partition, will be possible to boot both so through uefi
[18:43] <xerox> k1l_: that makes a lot of sense, this particular box happened to be made on a weird version and I can't mess with it for reasons beyond my power
[18:44] <xerox> (oh weird I said "via web" before… I meant "via brew")
[18:45] <XavierG-2> ioria: Again, thanks a lot for your time, help and explanations. Bye !
[18:45] <XavierG-2> TJ-: Again, thanks a lot for your time, help and explanations. Bye !
[18:45] <ioria> XavierG-2,  no problem ... Bon Chance
[18:51] <AfterDarkness> hello after updating to 15.04 then restarting and doing further updates I noticed problems with opengl
[18:52] <AfterDarkness> nvidia drivers got updated too
[18:53] <AfterDarkness> I reckon I need another restart
[18:54] <AfterDarkness> Does this mean opengl drivers are missing? "Major opcode of failed request:  155 (GLX)"
[18:55] <AfterDarkness> brb restarting the pc
[18:58] <AfterDarkness> yup after restart no problems. seems the libs were removed for the update and just needed a restart to allocate the newer ones
[19:02] <t7> whats the quick way to get my release name ?
[19:03] <t7> trusty etc
[19:03] <t7> i know the version number
[19:03] <t7> is there console cmd or some part of about menu to get this
[19:03] <zykotick9> t7: "lsb_release -a" perhaps
[19:04] <k1l_> see lsb_release
[19:04] <t7> its annoying that the package details on the site are not by version number
[19:04] <t7> when its so much easier to find version number
[19:05] <k1l_> !releases | t7
[19:05] <t7> k1l_: i forget :|
[19:05] <t7> i wil ltry to remember vivid
[19:06] <k1l_> t7: in january 2016 you need to learn a new name :)
[19:07] <t7> few months yet
[19:07] <bekks> In 2019, you will need to learn a new name instead of "trusty" :P
[19:07]  * tgm4883 wonders why a version number is easier to remember than the codename
[19:09] <t7> tgm4883: i dont have to remember, i can click about
[19:13] <dirius77> Anyone have any idea how to fix an issue where netcat (nc -l -p 12345) gives: "nc: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known" and ping localhost as well as ping 127.0.0.1 fail?
[19:15] <ioria> try with ip
[19:15] <ioria> sorry, you already have
[19:16] <a_beautiful_mime> i'm trying to get autoconf and automake to work
[19:16] <zykotick9> dirius77: verify your /etc/hosts is correct for starters
[19:16] <a_beautiful_mime> unfortunately i'm getting the following error when using autoconf : autoconf cannot locate Class/Struct.pm
[19:17] <dirius77> zykotick9: the first line is "127.0.0.1        localhost"
[19:17] <zykotick9> dirius77: ok.  good luck.
[19:19] <John_AU> hey #ubuntu, ive installed gnome-search-tool, and it shows in applications>accessories>search for files, but when i clik it nothing happens, also when i install it to thunar nothing happens, and i also ran a setup script someone made to install catfish to thunar, which install fine, but also does not search, any ideas?
[19:21] <OerHeks> John_AU, maybe logout/login to make it work?
[19:23] <ioria> dirius77, did you use 'sudo ' ?
[19:23] <earl_> quick dumb question, did "pacmd" in terminal to troubleshoot sound not working, it says "No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon"
[19:23] <earl_> I don't know why sound doesn't work all of a sudden.
[19:24] <dirius77> ioria: Did I use sudo to do what? I just used "cat /etc/hosts"
[19:24] <ioria> dirius77, no , netcat command
[19:25] <AEL-H> Is there a way to send an entire folder and all its contents through putty using pscp rather than sending each file one at a time? if so how?
[19:27] <dirius77> ioria: No I didn't, but I could try it
[19:27] <John_AU> OerHeks, ok i will give it ago
[19:27] <John_AU> thanks
[19:28] <mgolisch> AEL-H: -r ?
[19:30] <dirius77> ioria: It doesn't give me the error when I run it as sudo. Is there a way to make a regular user able to access localhost again then?
[19:31] <ioria> dirius77, never happen to me that i couldn't ping localhost as regular user... some iptable rule or firewall settings ?
[19:31] <ioria> *ed
[19:32] <amu> i am unable to install window 7 on my desktop
[19:33] <k1l_> amu: that support better suits into ##windows
[19:33] <OerHeks> amu, sorry to hear that .. how is this related to ubuntu support?
[19:33] <amu> y is there linux world just to get all in one
[19:34] <seishun> I'm trying to hibernate ubuntu 15.04 and I'm getting "not enough memory", even though I have 2.5 GB RAM and 5 GB swap, 0 bytes of swap is used. Any way to diagnose that?
[19:34] <dirius77> ioria: The netcat also doesn't error and looks like it's working but I can't send anything to it.
[19:34] <daftykins> amu: your questions do not make sense in English
[19:34] <BluesKaj> something tells me the translator is doing a a bad job
[19:35] <daftykins> seishun: pastebin of "free -m" ?
[19:35] <OerHeks> seishun, how much ram do you have then?
[19:35] <OerHeks> oh 2.5
[19:35] <amu>  commands for the mpeg codec to be installed on the backbox os .
[19:35] <amu> ???????
[19:35] <k1l_> amu: we dont support backbox or blackbox OS. this is only about ubuntu in here.
[19:35] <daftykins> !backbox | amu That is not supported here
[19:36] <ioria> dirius77, check ifconfig,  lo interface
[19:37] <amu> my desktop even not able to install the ubuntu thats y i  get to backbox  installation
[19:38] <dirius77> ioria: Here's the iptables -L   http://pastebin.com/yds7xTdg
[19:38] <daftykins> amu: sorry, not on topic.
[19:39] <dirius77> ioria: And this is ifconfig http://pastebin.com/bks37eDG  it looks up.
[19:41] <ioria> dirius77, can you ping 192.168.1.7 ?
[19:43] <dzull> hi all :-|
[19:43] <dzull> :-P
[19:43] <kadiro> O_o
[19:44] <boze> I couldn't get the resolutions quite right on my old TV so I went out and bought a new one. I can get the resolution perfect, but the screen flashes black for about a second frequently. I think it is the refresh rate cause if I set it to 30 it stops flashing, but looks really sluggish
[19:45] <boze> Once a 60i refresh rate showed up and it seemed to work well, but it didn't save to xorg.conf for some reason and I can't get it to come up again.
[19:46] <poli> I am trying to run something under rvm remotely and non-interactively. Seems like the rvm "source" isn't getting loaded if I don't have a shell going. I tried commenting the "If not running interactively, don't do anything" part of .bashrc but got no real result. The rvm script I need loaded is in /etc/profile.d/rvm.sh. Any ideas?
[19:47] <kadiro> boze: I'm not experience user ( just a noobie ), you means xorg.conf modified every logged?
[19:48] <seishun> daftykins: http://pastebin.com/E79euLvW
[19:48] <badbodh> hello noobie
[19:48] <boze> kadiro: for the 60i part? I tried to use the nvidia-settings "save to config file", but that one time the 60i refresh showed up, it didn't save it
[19:48] <daftykins> seishun: what's this?
 seishun: pastebin of "free -m" ?
[19:48] <daftykins> oh that took a while
[19:48] <kadiro> boze: you use this command from root prevelege?
[19:48] <seishun> I was in windows sorry
[19:49] <daftykins> mmm plenty free space, no idea why that's not working
[19:49] <boze> I also tried setting horiz/vert refresh rates supplied by the TV with UseEdidFreqs False. Both Edid and hard coded seems to flash
[19:50] <ioria> dirius77, sorry, have to go ... but you take a look at this  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[19:50] <seishun> daftykins: I used to work fine if there weren't many applications open. After I expanded swap from 2.5GB to 5GB, it doesn't work at all. Could the partition table change have anything to do with it?
[19:51] <seishun> like the hibernate can't see swap anymore, if that make sense?
[19:51] <daftykins> don't think so, that command shows the OS sees it.
[19:51] <kadiro> boze: sudo nvidia-settings what's the result ( log out and log in or reboot to see ) ?
[19:52] <daftykins> kadiro: that's bad advice, you don't run a GUI app with sudo.
[19:52] <daftykins> gksu or gksudo
[19:52] <OerHeks> seishun, does "swapon -s " give an error ?
[19:52] <seishun> OerHeks: no
[19:53] <kadiro> daftykins: look at my first response
 said : boze: I'm not experience user ( just a noobie ), you means xorg.conf modified every logged?
[19:53] <seishun> although it shows the swap partition has priority -1, whatever that means
[19:54] <daftykins> kadiro: what's your point? bad advice is bad advice :)
[19:54]  * boze ducks
[19:54] <kadiro> i dont care daftykins , look in your things
[19:54] <bishops> Hi, I have a tricky issue. I have been trying to flash image on my nexus 9 from an ubuntu machine, and I get a message saying that "data length is too large". Someone told me that I should flash each partition individually. Anyone knows how I could do this?
[19:55] <Xeno72> Hi I have a problem to install (or tu use / start) the nvidia driver, I can use the nouveau driver only.
[19:55] <daftykins> kadiro: i care because you're telling users to do bad things to their systems. so stop it please.
[19:55] <Xeno72> card is nvidia 8600 gts
[19:55] <kadiro> daftykins: that what you thinking
[19:55] <Xeno72> mainboard is acer aspire m3920
[19:55] <OerHeks> bishops, better ask in #ubuntu-touch for image help
[19:55] <Xeno72> ubuntu is 14.04 lts, but it crashes too on kubunto 14.04 an on mint 17.2
[19:55] <bishops> OerHeks: Thanks, but I'm trying to flash a nexus/google image. still ask there?
[19:56] <Xeno72> problem is crash after reboot the system after installing procedure
[19:56] <daftykins> what kind of crash?
[19:56] <Xeno72> xrash means de desktop system only, recovery mode is possible
[19:57] <Xeno72> blackscreen and cursor only
[19:57] <Xeno72> bios is newest available
[19:57] <earl_> ok, seems that installing skype caused my audio to f itself since last restart
[19:57] <daftykins> have you been trying to do anything with bumblebee, or is this a laptop with nvidia only?
[19:57] <earl_> anyone know how to fix this
[19:57] <kadiro> boze: what's news?
[19:58] <Xeno72> it does not depend on the choice of driver version, from 304. too 34.76 all do not work
[19:58] <Xeno72> i did nothing with bumble.., it a fresh installation
[19:58] <daftykins> Xeno72: well it would given bumblebee is an additional component :) can you share a "lspci | pastebinit" ?
[19:58] <Xeno72> it is not a laptop, it's a desktop system
[19:59] <Xeno72> yes I will share the output
[19:59] <OerHeks> bishops, you might not find the answer here, and nexus 9 is not even in the listhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[19:59] <boze> kadiro: Thanks for your advice. Right now I'm trying to figure out a way to make the interlaced refresh rate pop up again in hopes that it will stop the black flashy screen. Last time it showed up after fiddling with xrandr
[19:59] <bishops> OerHeks: Alright no worries. Thanks!
[20:00] <kadiro> ok boze
[20:00] <OerHeks> nvidia 8600 gts, the 304 driver should work
[20:01] <daftykins> mmm very odd.
[20:01] <Xeno72> link for the output of lspci: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12101128/
[20:01] <Xeno72> @OerHeks
[20:02] <Xeno72> @OerHeks All people say that. I think the card 8600 gts is not the problem. But perhaps the mainboard?!?!
[20:03] <OerHeks> Xeno72, that could be, is there an onboard vga? and is the pci set as default?
[20:03] <John_AU> OerHeks, didnt help :(
[20:03] <Xeno72> under Windows the card receives the Windows driver, so the card is not ill
[20:03] <OerHeks> John_AU, strange, just installed tunar to see, no problem here.
[20:03] <daftykins> Xeno72: dmesg on bootup whilst it's installed plus the X log if it does try to start would be handy. i'd bet something is misconfigured
[20:03] <seishun> daftykins: anything I could try before reinstalling?
[20:03] <John_AU> hrmm
[20:03] <Xeno72> yes there is an onboard thing from intel, i. e.: the system once was used without this card!
[20:03] <daftykins> seishun: asking someone who knows more about it :>
[20:04] <daftykins> yeah, sandybridge on-die graphics
[20:04] <Xeno72> log files will coming soon
[20:04] <daftykins> make sure it's set to display from the PEG slot first and only
[20:04] <Xeno72> I do not understand the sentence: "set to display from the PEG slot first and only"
[20:04] <John_AU> OerHeks, you just added a custom action gnome-search-tool --path=$f ?
[20:05] <John_AU> %f*
[20:05] <daftykins> Xeno72: prefer the card over the on-die graphics obviously
[20:06] <OerHeks> John_AU, i didn't install gnome-search-tool. not sure why you need to anyway
[20:06] <John_AU> thunar doesnt have built in search capabilities?
[20:06] <seishun> I'll repeat the question then, in case someone more knowledgeable can answer it: I'm trying to hibernate ubuntu 15.04 and I'm getting "not enough memory", even though I have 2.5 GB RAM and 5 GB swap, 0 bytes of swap is used. Any way to diagnose that?
[20:06] <John_AU> seishun, one of the partitions is too small?
[20:07] <OerHeks> John_AU, yes, crtl+ s = search
[20:07] <OerHeks> seishun, you gave an error -1...
[20:07] <OerHeks> so something is wrong when you resized that swap i guess
[20:08] <seishun> OerHeks: /dev/sda5                              	partition	5240828	207644	-1
[20:08] <seishun> -1 is the "priority"
[20:08] <John_AU> nah doesnt work for me OerHeks
[20:09] <Xeno72> here link to part of the Xorg.0.log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/12101205/
[20:10] <Xeno72> @daftykins: okay, and how to say that to the system?
[20:11] <daftykins> configuring it in the BIOS
[20:11] <jrm> I just attempted to install Ubuntu 14.03 on a Lenovo T530.  At the last step it failed to install grub.  Now, in the Live installation on a USB stick, when I try it manually I get: grub-install: error: failed to get cononical path of '/cow'.  Ideas?
[20:11] <Xeno72> @daftykins okay, interesting idea... I did not know BIOS can set which card used?
[20:11] <jrm> mount shows me /cow on / type overlaw (rw)
[20:12] <daftykins> Xeno72: time to have a look :)
[20:12] <entity2k> why not 14.04 lts jrm?
[20:12] <Xeno72> @daftykins: Yes. I hope to find something. It's an older BIOS (2011).
[20:13] <freezer> Xeno72, with thinkpads you can usually choose in BIOS between IGP and Dedicated
[20:13] <daftykins> i've been dealing with BIOSs with that setting a lot longer than that ;)
[20:13] <freezer> DELL Alienware e.g. does not allow to do that
[20:13] <daftykins> freezer: it's not a laptop
[20:13] <slicepaperwords> does anyone know how to remove the drive is not ready skip or fix manually warning during opening?
[20:14] <freezer> daftykins, i misread T530 then
[20:14] <daftykins> slicepaperwords: during opening what? booting?
[20:14] <Bashing-om> jrm: In the liveUSB, not mounting the target partition(s) to install grub ?
[20:14] <freezer> different user :p
[20:14] <slicepaperwords> daftykins: yeah the booting
[20:14] <slicepaperwords> it's an external I formatted and now have plugged in again but it's looking for the old drive
[20:14] <daftykins> slicepaperwords: depends what disks you're mounting, perhaps one partition / disk has errors fsck needs to deal with. can you be more specific?
[20:15] <daftykins> ah then edit /etc/fstab to not auto mount the old UUID perhaps
[20:15] <slicepaperwords> ahh okay thanks
[20:16] <Xeno72> Here is a typical part of kernel.log when desktop crashes after installing nvidia driver and rebooting system: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12101240/
[20:16] <jrm> Bashing-om: sudo mount /dev/sdb /mnt mount: /dev/sdb already mounted or /mnt busy, but I don't see it when list mounted file systems
[20:17] <Xeno72> @freezer: It is a desktop system (acer aspire m 3920) with a later added external graphic card nvidia 8600 gts
[20:18] <jrm> It it 14.04, I mis-typed above.
[20:18] <Xeno72> I will leave for a moment to see BIOS settings but not sure if I can change there somewhat concering graphic card
[20:19] <xeth> Evening all
[20:19] <slicepaperwords> daftykins: /etc/fstab doesn't have the reformatted drive listed, should I just delete the one it's looking for or?
[20:20] <xeth> i have a question, i recently moved my main system over to ubuntu and the 3tb hdd that i had install on my windows system is not showing and i cant mount it.
[20:20] <xeth> anything i can do without losing all my data?
[20:20] <mcphail> jrm: I don't think you can simply use grub-install from the live USB, can you? I thought you had to chroot into the installed system and use it from there
[20:21] <Xeno72> Im here on an other pc so I control BIOS settings
[20:21] <Bashing-om> jrm: Naw " mount /dev/sdb " You want to mount a partition ( sdb is the device as a whole ) . Allow me to look over your shoulder; pastbin the outpit of ' sudo parted -l ' . So we know what partitions we are wotking with .
[20:22] <xeth> gpt partition from windows
[20:25] <Xeno72> did not find anything to change concerning choice of graphic card :(
[20:27] <jrm> Bashing-om: pastebin.com/V6W9uWVb
[20:28] <jrm> mcphail: Could be.  I'm new to grub, reading different docs.
[20:28] <Bashing-om> jrm: Look'n at your pastebin.com/V6W9uWVb
[20:28] <jrm> Bashing-om: sdc is the usb
[20:28] <jrm> stick
[20:29] <Xeno72> There is no setting to be changed concerning choice of graphic card in BIOS :((
[20:29] <Xeno72> under internal peripherals or like that nothing about graphics
[20:31] <jrm> Bashing-om: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 is what I probably want
[20:31] <Bashing-om> jrm: Sorry " 5      257MB   160GB  160GB  logical                lvm " LVM is Logical Volume Management . I do not know how LVM works .
[20:32] <jrm> Np, thanks anyway
[20:33] <jrm> I think I got it.  Bashing-om, mcphail: I did sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt then sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdb
[20:33] <jrm> Rebooting now to test
[20:33] <TJ-> jrm: "sudo vgchange -ay /dev/sdb5
[20:34] <TJ-> jrm: You'll need to chroot the root -file system and use grub-install + update-grub from there to get the boot fixed
[20:34] <jrm> TJ-: thanks.  I guess that is to set the default partition, since I'm at the grub prompt now.
[20:36] <marian_> Hey
[20:36] <TJ-> jrm: yes, otherwise grub likely won't have the lvm module included in its core.img and won't be able to 'open' the LVM that contains the root fs. If it has managed that, then you can probably manually boot from the grub command line. Have you got the "rescue>" prompt
[20:36] <marian_> Can anybody help me?
[20:36] <marian_> Will my macbook (late 2008) run ubuntu 14?
[20:36] <jrm> TJ-: No, just the grub> prompt.
[20:37] <marian_> i mean, macbook 2007
[20:37] <marian_> Will it ? Macbook 2,1 2007
[20:37] <TJ-> jrm: that sounds hopefully... is this a BIOS/MBR system?
[20:37] <marian_> Can anybody help me too? ;-;
[20:37] <marian_> ...
[20:37] <jrm> TJ-: yeah
[20:38] <marian_> Will my macbook 2007 run ubuntu 14?
[20:38] <TJ-> jrm: OK, so partition #1 contains /boot/ then?
[20:38] <jrm> TJ-: I belive so
[20:38] <TJ-> jrm: get a file listing you should see the kernels listed, using "ls $root"
[20:38] <marian_> Will my macbook 2007 run ubuntu 14??????
[20:38] <marian_> ???
[20:38] <marian_> HELP
[20:38] <marian_> it's that hard to say yes or no?
[20:39] <TJ-> !patience | marian_
[20:39] <jrm> TJ-: invalid file name 'hd0,msdos1'
[20:39] <vitimiti> I have been trying to properly configure a Wacom Bamboo Pen & Touch on 15.04. The problem comes to pressure. The pencil in GIMP is always as big, even if the pressure dynamics are activated. Can somebody help me figure this out or is that it's a bug?
[20:39] <TJ-> jrm: oh, not good. Try just "ls" and tell me what device names it displays
[20:40] <jrm> ls give (hd0) (hd0,msdos5) (hd0,msdos1) (hd1)  I don't think I was supposed to literally type $root, which I did.
[20:42] <Xeno72> here again me with the problem of not being able to install / use the nvidia drivers on a acer aspire m3920 with a geforce 8600 gts
[20:42] <Xeno72> bios settings are not customizable
[20:43] <compdoc> Xeno72, that can be a good thing
[20:43] <daftykins> you might have to set a main password to change parameters on an Acer, they're horrible like that.
[20:43] <Xeno72> oh intersting biuos password is not set, I have to set one?!
[20:43] <Xeno72> very interesting indeed
[20:44] <compdoc> Xeno72, if you cant load the driver normally, there's a chance you will end up with a broken system if you force it
[20:44] <Xeno72> I never did set a bios password
[20:44] <loa> hello, how i can check why packages will not update?
[20:44] <Bashing-om> Xeno72: daftykins Aces with UEFI ? Vendor lockin ? such that a shim must be applied to the EFI boot ?
[20:45] <daftykins> Bashing-om: nah
[20:45] <loa> for example i have such situation https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25725476/screenshot-2015.08.16-23%3A44%3A54.png
[20:45] <Xeno72> @compdoc: perhaps yes. till now I could uninstall all nvidia things with apt-get purge nvidia* in the recovery mode
[20:45] <Bashing-om> Acer*
[20:45] <loa> why libdrm-dev will not update?
[20:45] <daftykins> Xeno72: still would prefer to see the logs i mentioned rather than all this hoping
[20:45] <Xeno72> @Bashing-om: The systems are not installed in EFI mode, but the systems has a kind of EFI.
[20:46] <NGC3982> Oh hai.
[20:47] <NGC3982> I'm on 14.04. When i log in via SSH it can sometimes take up to 40-50 seconds before i get any respons from the server.
[20:47] <NGC3982> And that is first after i have put in my password.
[20:47] <Bashing-om> Xeno72: The shim would only apply to EFI booting, if booted and with graphics issues, we look at the graphics hardware and the graphics driver installed .
[20:47] <NGC3982> What can i do? :-)
[20:49] <Xeno72> @daftykins: I posted the logs except dmesg. dmseg says notning about nvidia beacuse nvidia drivers never started on system. I posted kernel.log and Xorg.0.log.
[20:50] <daftykins> didn't see them
[20:50] <Xeno72> okay will post again
[20:53] <Xeno72> Xorg.0.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12101636/
[20:54] <Xeno72> kernel.log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/12101664/
[20:55] <Xeno72> @Bashing-om: Okay, and what does that mean to me?
[20:57] <Bashing-om> Xeno72: Nothing to you, just a correction in my thinking, as I follow along .
[20:58] <Xeno72> @Bashing-om No problem, Im glad you're thinking about, lol :)
[20:58] <daftykins> Xeno72: "dpkg -l | grep nvidia | pastebinit" and "uname -a | pastebinit"
[21:00] <linuxgecko> how do i get k3b or brasero to make iso's of dvd's that need libdvdcss? i tried installing ubuntu-restricted-extras, but that didn't seem to resolve the issue. what am i not yet doing right?
[21:01] <daftykins> hmm questionable legal issues over that question unfortunately.
[21:01] <mgolisch> tried google?
[21:01] <TJ-> linuxgecko: did you install the CSS keys to be able to read the source?
[21:02] <linuxgecko> daftykins:  yeah, that's why it's in restricted-extras.  i've done it before,   but that was back in like, 8.04
[21:02] <mgolisch> realy?
[21:02] <Xeno72> @daftykins "dpkg -l | grep nvidia"  has no result, this isa not surprising, since no nvidia thing is on system now.
[21:02] <TJ-> !css | linuxgecko:
[21:02] <mgolisch> i think that package is not in the repos
[21:02] <mgolisch> theres a shellscript to download it or something
[21:03] <aeden__D> daftykins, not if the dvd's in question are owned by the user, as in bought and piad for. I see so no reason why a person shouldn'r be able to back up media they pay for
[21:03] <Xeno72> @daftykins: uname - a : http://paste.ubuntu.com/12101750/
[21:03] <jrm> So, I'm convinced there is a bug in 14.04 installer.  I reinstalled and chose all the default optins (no LLVM) and same thing: Executing 'grub-install /dev/sdb' failed.  I'm still in the installer if anyone is able/willing to help.
[21:04] <Sunstream> I need help. I am using lubuntu and a laptop I need to change the resolution to be higher but MONITOR SETTINGS is not working as it should.... what am I doing wrong?
[21:04] <daftykins> aeden__D: that doesn't change anything.
[21:04] <TJ-> jrm: Great!
[21:04] <aeden__D> daftykins, I never said it did
[21:04] <daftykins> Xeno72: i did ask you to create those logs when the driver *is* installed, so...
[21:04] <TJ-> jrm: did you use the "try Ubunu" option and then launch the installer manually from the desktop?
[21:04] <jrm> TJ-: No, I chose the Installation option.
[21:05] <Xeno72> @daftykins: But this will mean I have to install the driver but I ccan not reboot, because it is blackscreen then? No problem if that is what you want, but only to be sure?
[21:05] <daftykins> yeah, need to see what's going wrong
[21:05] <linuxgecko> TJ-: thanks.  i'm unfortunately not well versed in how to get some things done in ubuntu, intentionally:/
[21:05] <TJ-> jrm: It'd be better using the "try ubuntu" option since we have a full Ubuntu installation in the Live environment to do analysis from. We can't do that easily from the pure installer
[21:05] <daftykins> Xeno72: although your xorg log right now doesn't look very good.
[21:05] <jrm> TJ-: Ok, I'll start again.
[21:06] <Xeno72> @daftykins: Yes because iut ewas during blackscreen time.
[21:06] <TJ-> linuxgecko: I'm pretty sure I had to download the decryption keys (DeCSS) and install them in a directory of my user home directory, the last time I needed it
[21:06] <daftykins> Xeno72: eh? that log shows the nvidia driver didn't exist then either.
[21:07] <Xeno72> @daftykins: Is says kernel can not load nvidia driver, or it does not exist. Not sure wihich of them.
[21:08] <daftykins> i've already said what to do, i'm not sure why we're still here :)
[21:08] <Xeno72> Okay... Which logfile do you wish to have in which moment?
[21:08] <Xeno72> I can install nvidia, but after reboot it's blackscreen, as showed on the logs
[21:09] <daftykins> give me a fresh /var/log/Xorg.0.log first actually
[21:09] <daftykins> because you edited the last one.
[21:09] <Xeno72> okay!
[21:09] <Xeno72> but it's woith nouveau driver
[21:09] <UBuxuBU> when i installed ubuntu it blackscreened me too
[21:09] <UBuxuBU> it boots sometimes othertimes black screen
[21:10] <daftykins> UBuxuBU: you might have completely different hardware
[21:10] <Sunstream> KX8W a callsign??
[21:10] <NGC3982> Do i remove motd's by removing the contents in /etc/update-motd.d/?
[21:11] <Sunstream> I give up on trying to get my resolution to be correct
[21:11] <Xeno72> Here fresh Xorg.0.log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/12101836/
[21:11] <UBuxuBU> it happened so many times i was forced to try lubuntu
[21:11] <daftykins> aeden__D: might be of interest to know that 'backup' was only ever legal for some software though, it doesn't apply to media sadly
[21:13] <Sunstream> I think I will live with low resolution. Maybe the update I am downloading will fix it......
[21:14] <Ben64> Sunstream: or ask a question with full details and wait for an answer instead of being all sad
[21:16] <aeden__D> daftykins, agree, but I'm just saying if I've bought a DVD my conscious is ok with backing it up to my hdd.
[21:16]  * NGC3982 removed the MOTD's.
[21:16] <NGC3982> But i can't seem to remove the "Unable to get context for [name]"
[21:16] <NGC3982> How do i remove that?
[21:16] <NGC3982> An empty console is a good console.
[21:16] <vitimiti> Fixed it, it was GIMPs problem, I had to configure it, my bad
[21:16] <Xeno72> here make a copy of a dgital medium was and is legal. here=switzerland
[21:17] <Xeno72> only illegal if you publish it, or if you give it to someone else.
[21:17] <aeden__D> Xeno72, +1
[21:18] <Xeno72> please not it is illegal too to give it to someone if you do not earn money for that
[21:19] <daftykins> i think this is more desire for how it to be than proof
[21:19] <daftykins> but ah well, off topic here regardless.
[21:19] <deval> hello, does ubuntu support bluetooth modems in the network manager... i mean can i use internet over bluetooth though my cellphone connection... right now i am on windows and planning to install ubuntu..
[21:19] <Xeno72> yes offtopic. but ture. :)
[21:19] <Xeno72> true :)
[21:19] <daftykins> whatever you say ^_^
[21:20] <TJ-> deval: usually via a Personal Area Network (PAN) connection
[21:20] <Xeno72> lol
[21:21] <deval> TJ-,  from where can i get to know how?
[21:21] <aeden__D> deval, who is your cellphone provider?
[21:21] <jrm> TJ-: I'm at the same point after choosing to install after "Try Ubuntu": Executing 'grub-install /dev/sdb' failed.
[21:22] <boze> I installed ubuntu on a freshly built computer, plug in a brand new TV with HDMI to an Nvidia Geforce GT 730 and the screen flashes black for a second several times a minute. It does the same if I stop at the grub menu. Screen flashes black intermittently
[21:22] <deval> Nokia its a symbian s60v5 phone it has wifi but, it doesnt work like an access point...
[21:23] <aeden__D> deval, are you trying to do something like this?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothDialup
[21:23] <Xeno72> @daftykins, something new about the logs? no prob if not, I will live with the nouveau driver in that case.
[21:24] <TJ-> jrm: Fab :) ... we can use a terminal to enter the chroot the installer created... start a terminal to begin with, leave the installer as it is
[21:24] <deval> yeah dial up connection over bluetooth...
[21:24] <jrm> TJ-: done
[21:24] <jrm> TJ-: I'm in the terminal, that is
[21:24] <aeden__D> deval, check the link. It's dated but still some good information to get you going
[21:25] <TJ-> jrm: check you can see the chroot directory and it looks like it has the basic root file-system directories in it: "ls -la /target/"
[21:25] <daftykins> Xeno72: you have to link me before i can see them
[21:25] <jrm> TJ-: looks good
[21:25] <daftykins> ah spotted now
[21:26] <TJ-> jrm: OK, now let's find out if it is still mounted ( we don't want to mount it twice!): "mount | grep target"
[21:26] <daftykins> Xeno72: nick highlights are useful
[21:26] <daftykins> Xeno72: ok best go install and make a log
[21:27] <Xeno72> @daftykins: But I posted the links here, other method required?
[21:27] <jrm> TJ-: It does appear to be still mounted: /dev/sdb1 on /target ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[21:27] <jrm> Does that mean it's mounted ro?
[21:27] <TJ-> jrm: Good, so we can make use of what is already there :)
[21:27] <deval> i mean to know if its possible in latest versions, because earlier even fedora had it. now they dont even give the mobile broadband via usb option...    n thats the reason i looking forward to download ubuntu...
[21:27] <deval> aeden__D, ..
[21:27] <TJ-> jrm: no, it means if there are errors to remount it read-only as a precaution
[21:28] <jrm> Ah
[21:28] <TJ-> jrm: "sudo chroot /target"
[21:28] <TJ-> jrm: at this point you'll be in the installed system and can run commands as if it was booted
[21:28] <Xeno72> @daftykins: log befor or after reboot? It's an important question, because after reboot you have a desktop crash logged, before reboot you have not
[21:28] <jrm> TJ-: K
[21:28] <jrm> there
[21:28] <TJ-> jrm: to get back to the host env use "exit"
[21:29] <deval> aeden__D,  and thanks for the link...
[21:29] <daftykins> Xeno72: it's pretty obvious which log i'm after, i'm sure you can work it out :)
[21:29] <TJ-> jrm: let's find out if it has network ability, so you can pastebinit reports for me easily "ping -c 5 www.ubuntu.com"
[21:29] <jrm> TJ-: it does have network ability
[21:30] <Xeno72> @daftykins: I do not understand...
[21:30] <TJ-> jrm: yeah :) ... OK now let's ensure we have the tool: "apt-get install pastebinit"
[21:31] <jrm> TJ-: sorry, I have network ability outside of the chroot, but not inside
[21:31] <aeden__D> deval, youre welcome. have a look here http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/x11/blueman
[21:32] <TJ-> jrm: Ahhh, OK. it might just be a missing DNS resolver. Let's check. Try "ping -nc 5 8.8.8.8"
[21:33] <jrm> TJ-: Yup it is just dns.  I tried potting nameserver 8.8.8.8 in /etc/resolv.conf, but no resolving
[21:34] <TJ-> jrm: "/etc/resolv.conf" should be a sym-link to ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf" - is that the case "ls -l /etc/resolv.conf" ?
[21:34] <jrm> TJ-: OK, domain resolution is working inside chroot
[21:34] <TJ-> jrm: remember you did that, else it'll break NetworkManager's dnsmasq when you boot the installed system.
[21:35] <jrm> TJ-: OK
[21:35] <TJ-> jrm: ok, install pastebinit now
[21:35] <jrm> TJ-: installed
[21:36] <skinux> I'd like some kind of indicator app that will show over-all connection speed of my wireless as real-time as up to every 5 minutes. Anyone know of such?
[21:36] <TJ-> jrm: then show me "pastebinit <( cat <(cat /etc/fstab) <(cat /proc/mounts) <(lsblk) )" (that combines all the reports in one paste)
[21:37] <TJ-> jrm: brb... need coffee
[21:45] <jrm> TJ-: When you get back: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12102246/
[21:47] <TJ-> jrm: thanks
[21:49] <TJ-> jrm: ok, now "pastebinit <( parted /dev/sdb p)"
[21:50] <TJ-> jrm: I'm guessing /dev/sdc is the Live ISO media ~8GB size ?
[21:50] <jrm> TJ-: yup
[21:51] <jrm> TJ-: parted /dev/sdb p unable to result host ubuntu
[21:51] <jrm> TJ-: Could not stat device /dev/sdb - No such file or directory ?
[21:51] <TJ-> jrm: errr....!! you're doing that inside the chroot, yes?
[21:52] <Yuken> I'd like a reminder to flash in the bottom-left of my screen every two hours, on Ubuntu. How would I do this?
[21:52] <jrm> TJ-: yup
[21:52] <TJ-> jrm: so you're root, and we already know lsblk listed sdb
[21:52] <Yuken> Ubuntu 14.04*
[21:53] <TJ-> jrm: try it without the pastebinit parts: "parted /dev/sdb p"
[21:53] <jrm> TJ-: Same
[21:54] <jrm> TJ-: there is no /dev/sd* under the chroot
[21:54] <TJ-> jrm: I think the chroot is missing the /de/ devfs but somehow lsblk didn't need it. what does "ls -l /dev/sd*" look like?
[21:55] <jrm> TJ-: not results
[21:55] <jrm> s/no/not/
[21:55] <TJ-> jrm: hmm... OK ... "exit" then "for m in proc/ sys/ dev/ dev/pts; sudo mount --bind /$m /target/$m; done
[21:56] <TJ-> jrm: typo, I omitted the "do" ! "for m in proc/ sys/ dev/ dev/pts; do sudo mount --bind /$m /target/$m; done
[21:59] <jrm> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12102376/
[22:00] <TJ-> jrm: Good, that shows there's room in the spare space before partition #1 for grub it install it's core.img so that is no reason for grub-install to fail
[22:00] <TJ-> jrm: now let's try it and see what we get: "grub-install /dev/sdb"
[22:01] <jrm> TJ-: No errors.  Thanks!  Is there a log that can show why it failed during installation?
[22:01] <TJ-> jrm: oh hang oooooon! Did the system boot in UEFI mode? sda looks like it has EFI System Partition, and that would mean you have grub-efi not grub-pc
[22:02] <TJ-> jrm: exit the chroot and check if it booted as UEFI or not: "ls /sys/firmware/efi/"
[22:02] <TJ-> jrm: and, back in the chroot, we also need to do "update-grub"
[22:02] <jrm> TJ-: the /efi directory doesn't exist
[22:02] <jrm> TJ-: back in chroot
[22:03] <TJ-> jrm, OK so the boot was Legacy BIOS, so that wasn't the reason grub-install failed.
[22:03] <TJ-> jrm: the debian-installer and apt sohuld create logs in their own directories under /var/log/ in the installed system
[22:04] <TJ-> jrm: the debian-installer log might be the one containing the grub-install history
[22:05] <jrm> TJ-: before I leave the chroot I should update-grub /dev/sdb ?
[22:05] <TJ-> jrm: just "update-grub" is all you do
[22:05] <TJ-> jrm: the device name is only needed for grub-install
[22:06] <jrm> TJ-: Done, I'm looking for logs now to see why it fails during installation.
[22:08] <TJ-> jrm: I wonder if the chroot script has unmounted /dev/ before running the grub-install? Can't see how it would, but that's what caused your issue with the manual command
[22:09] <Smokie> hey guys, does ubuntu have a firewall by default?
[22:09] <k1l_> !ufw | Smokie
[22:11] <linuxthefish> how can i open .jnlp?
[22:12] <linuxthefish> yey figured it out ty
[22:12] <TJ-> linuxthefish: not sure, but jnlp is for Java webstart I think, so possibly linked to icedtea
[22:12] <jrm> TJ-: I see errors in /var/log/syslog: It seems it first tried to do grub-install on /dev/sda, the usb installation drive, then grub-install: error failed to get canonical path of /dev/sdb1
[22:13] <OerHeks> linuxthefish, old tutor, still valid >> http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/12/how-to-run-jnlp-files-under-ubuntulinux.html
[22:13] <TJ-> jrm: ouch!
[22:13] <Smokie> k1l_, thanks
[22:13] <Smokie> so its disabled by default
[22:13] <OerHeks> Smokie, not disables, just no rules standard.
[22:13] <TJ-> jrm: in the installer did you select /dev/sdb as the bootloader target... it possibly defaulted to /dev/sda since it couldn't figure out which was the required drive of the 3
[22:14] <OerHeks> *disabled
[22:14] <Smokie> i installed and configured vsftpd but i still cant ftp to my ubuntu
[22:14] <k1l_> Smokie: a router involved?
[22:14] <Smokie> OerHeks, so its enabled but its not blocking anything?
[22:14] <jrm> TJ-: I selected /dev/sdb as the intallation media and the bootloader target.
[22:15] <TJ-> jrm: sounds like a bug in ubiquity then (the GUI installer that wraps debian-installer)
[22:15] <TJ-> jrm:  worth reporting against that package since you have a syslog with evidence
[22:16] <jrm> TJ-: I think it's actually in the Debian installer.  I tried Debian first and it didn't report an error, but it wouldn't boot.
[22:16] <fox_> So, can I ask a question here? I got b1tched at in the other chat app..
[22:16] <TJ-> !ask | fox_
[22:16] <fox_> Arch or Mint? I want to know which one to use :)
[22:17] <xangua> fox_: if you ask in the ubuntu support channel, ubuntu
[22:17] <k1l_> fox_: better ask in ##linux this channel here is for tehcnical ubuntu support only
[22:17] <ikonia> neither are really a fit topic for this channel
[22:17] <squinty> lol
[22:17] <fox_> Ah ok
[22:17] <fox_> Well, that's exactly why i asked if I could ask it. u_u
[22:18] <TJ-> we didn't know until you asked :)
[22:18] <Smokie> anyone can help me with my vsftpd issue im having?
[22:18] <ikonia> we won't know until you tell us the issue
[22:18] <jrm> TJ-: Thank you for your help.  Much appreciated.
[22:18] <k1l_> Smokie: a router involved? what is the error?
[22:18] <TJ-> jrm: you're welcome... does it boot OK? :D
[22:19] <TJ-> I have a question: why does Ubuntu always make my coffee go cold? :)
[22:19] <Smokie> installed vsftpd on my  ubuntu desktop so i can upload content to my webserver running on my ubuntu from the same network
[22:19] <Smokie> i get connection refused
[22:19] <Smokie> even when i try to ftp from within ubuntu
[22:20] <TJ-> Smokie: have you ensured the ftp service is listening? "sudo netstat -nltp | grep 21"
[22:20] <jrm> TJ-: It does.
[22:20] <ikonia> why would you put vsftpd on your desktop if you're trying to upload to your server ?
[22:20] <TJ-> jrm: result :)
[22:20] <ikonia> or is the webserver on your desktop too ?
[22:21] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Cold coffee and ubuntu are facts of life . I have grown to 'like' my coffee cold !
[22:22] <TJ-> Bashing-om: thing is, it constantly surprises me. I just checked the log and I went to get it 50 minutes ago... I don't remember those 50 minutes elapsing :)
[22:22]  * aeden__D microwaves cold coffee
[22:22]  * TJ- pours it on a Husky :)
[22:24] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Huh ! I joined in this 'buntu thing back in 2004, now where has all that time gone ?  All we can say is time realy flies when you are having fun .
[22:24] <TJ-> Bashing-om: is that what you call it? :P
[22:26] <TJ-> I've wasted the weekend dithering over the choice of a new encryption scheme, and still can't make my mind up. I supposed compared to that fixing other people's issues is fun :)
[22:26] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Off topoc. But glutton for punishment, How else to learn if TJ- ++ does not teach ?
[22:26] <Smokie> TJ-, let me see
[22:27] <Smokie> TJ-, it doesnt look like it, it didnt list anything
[22:27] <TJ-> I was trying to incorporate some sophisticated installer encryption options into debian-installer last week - gave it up asa bad job in favour of custom shell scripts. Too much legacy cruft with no documentation in d-i now
[22:28] <TJ-> Smokie: that'd explain why you get "connection refused" - check the ftpd config is correct, look at its log files for clues if it isn't starting
[22:30] <Smokie> TJ-, will do.. is vsftpd good to use or is there an alternative?
[22:31] <TJ-> Smokie: it seems to be the recommendation when needing FTP, but why not use rsync over ssh, or scp, or sshfs. From what you said an FTP server isn't the solution
[22:33] <Smokie> TJ-, its 2 wordpress websites running on the server and its easier to update, install plugins etc..
[22:34] <TJ-> Smokie: is the server on the same network as the client, no firewall or PNAT between them?
[22:34] <Smokie> TJ-, yes, same network with no firewalls.. yet
[22:34] <Smokie> planning to enable a firewall in my ubuntu once im done
[22:35] <NightyMiggers> really?
[22:35] <ikonia> NightyMiggers: problem ?
[22:35] <TJ-> Smokie: so the other options I mentioned are a better choice than FTP, and mean you don't have to have another service listening on the server
[22:36] <TJ-> Smokie: most servers already have the SSH server, so scp/rsync/sshfs are all possible with that
[22:37] <Smokie> TJ-, hmm there is no /var/log/vsftpd.log file created
[22:37] <Smokie> TJ-, yes, but like i said, wordpress requires FTP to do stuff from within the admin panel
[22:37] <Smokie> like updates, plugins installations etc..
[22:37] <ikonia> no it doesn't
[22:37] <ikonia> it will respond to sftp and even key based auth
[22:37] <TJ-> Smokie: really? not that i recall it doesn't, although I no longer use it
[22:38] <Smokie> ikonia, with a plugin maybe
[22:38] <ikonia> no
[22:38] <ikonia> without a plugin
[22:39] <Smokie> ikonia, ok. im trying to install a plugin on a fresh WP, the only option i see is FTP or FTPS (SSL)
[22:39] <ikonia> ftps will respond to an sftp server
[22:40] <Smokie> ikonia, isnt sftp runs with open-ssh ?
[22:40] <ikonia> Smokie: doesn't have to
[22:41] <Smokie> ok, then its installing an ftp server or an sftp server, both the same
[22:41] <ikonia> they are different
[22:41] <ikonia> although vsftpd does support secure connection
[22:41] <Smokie> so if sftp is running, in WP i'd pick FTPS option?
[22:42] <ikonia> that should wok
[22:42] <ikonia> work
[22:51] <Smokie> ok.. got it fixed.. it was in syslog
[22:51] <Smokie> added a variable in the config file missing 1 letter so it kept restarting
[23:21] <harrison_> hi
[23:23] <Refine> sup
[23:26] <aeden__D> what up playaaaa
[23:27]  * OerHeks has no clue what sup is
[23:27] <harrison_> lusers
[23:33] <hexafraction> How can I do a quick backup of a >4GB file onto a flash drive with FAT32, from a Ubuntu 14.04 machine? I need to reassemble the pieces on a Ubuntu Server machine and would prefer not to install any additional software if unnecessary.
[23:33] <lucas-arg> hello, any one know a good translation tool like google translate with offline dictionary for ubuntu/gnu?
[23:34] <tonyyarusso> lucas-arg: ...you're not going to find an equivalent to Google Translate that can run on a regular home computer.
[23:36] <lucas-arg> tonyyarusso: too bad
[23:48] <havinagiggle> i fucked up -.- i was backing up my 1tb harddrive onto an external 4tb harddrive partition ext4 by copying the files from one place to the other using caja. and caja got an error. 4tb hdd cant be recognised (i dont see it in /dev/) and in win10 it gives me a : "USB Device was not recognized. [..] will not be recognized by windows"
[23:48] <havinagiggle> i am not too techliterate to solve this problem by myself
[23:49] <TJ-> havinagiggle: could be you overheated the USB device... have you done a full cold power-off restart of the external caddy?
[23:50] <havinagiggle> full cold reboot yes
[23:50] <havinagiggle> cold meaning, no external powersupply plugged in, not cold as in temperature
[23:50] <TJ-> havinagiggle: I've seen external USB<>SATA interfaces fry themselves a few times
[23:51] <TJ-> havinagiggle: if when the device is connected the OS isn't seeing it, it could be it has died.
[23:51] <havinagiggle> the external hdd is maybe 40 - max. 50 degrees celcius hot
[23:52] <TJ-> havinagiggle: it's the controller interface card I'm talking about, rather than the drive, the bit that has the USB<>SATA interface on it
[23:52] <havinagiggle> ubuntu mate does not see the device, but win10 recognizes that a usb device is connected but cant recognize what device
[23:52] <havinagiggle> ok
[23:52] <TJ-> havinagiggle: lets find out... is the device currently connected to Ubuntu?
[23:53] <havinagiggle> nope i disconnected the hdd from power to wait and see if it was the heat like you said
[23:53] <havinagiggle> should i connect it?
[23:54] <TJ-> havinagiggle: OK, in a moment. First, open a terminal and type "tail -f /var/log/kern.log" so you can monitor kernel events,  then connect the device and see what messages are reported
[23:54] <TJ-> havinagiggle: you may need to prefix the command with "sudo "
[23:54] <havinagiggle> ok wait a moment i must reboot into ubuntu i am currently in win10, i will be back in 3min as tuto*
[23:59] <tutolato> so hi agains
[23:59] <TJ-> tutolato: : for reference, here's what I see with a similar enclosure connecting on USB: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12103573/
[23:59] <tutolato> so sudo tail -f /var/log/kern.log
[23:59] <tutolato> ?