[00:36] <Refine> anyone here use icecat?
[00:37] <Unit193> !info icecat
[00:37] <Refine> trying to figure out how to install it, really new to linux
[00:42] <drc> Refine: TBH, if you're that new to linux I'd stick with the defaults for a while, until you get your feet on the ground so to speak....then branch out and try things.  Unless FOSS is that important to you, then I'd try debian (iirc, it used icecat as default)
[00:43] <Unit193> iceweasel I though, that's the firefox clone.  Icedove is thunderbird.
[00:43] <Refine> well idk, I think it should be pretty simple to just install a program
[00:43] <Refine> not something I should avoid learning to do
[00:44] <drc> ah "GNU IceCat is the GNU version of the Firefox browser"  you were right Unit193.
[00:45] <Refine> yeah that's correct
[00:45] <Refine> it's like firefox except it has some really nice built in features
[00:45] <drc> Refine: True, but I'd still lean to do thing with a distros' system before branching out.
[00:45] <Unit193> drc: Oh, so there's a Debian one, AND a GNU one. >_<
[00:46] <drc> RMS has to do things HIS way or the digital highway :(
[00:47] <drc> Unit193: I was thinking of iceweasel, just got confused (missed my meds)
[00:47] <Refine> yeah they're actually made by the same people
[00:48] <Refine> it used to be called iceweasel I think
[00:48] <Unit193> Refine: Not quite, no.  We're talking about different things.  Anywho, the point being that Firefox is muuuch more supported (Not just in Ubuntu), and those features are from plugins you can install (they just seem bundled.)
[00:49] <Refine> I used to use random agent spoofer, but it doesn't seem to be working anymore
[00:50] <Refine> idk I'd just like some help installing this if you're willing
[00:52] <drc> Refine: I'd start here  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IceCat
[00:52] <Unit193> Refine: It's not just the fact of installing, but maintaining it too, fwiw.
[00:53] <Refine> I'm actually on that exact page
[00:53] <Refine> when I run the command "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnuzilla-team/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install icecat -y"
[00:53] <Refine>  it says cannot add PPA: 'ppa:~gnuzilla-team/ubuntu/ppa'
[00:53] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~gnuzilla-team: '+++ IceCat is died. +++'
[00:53] <Refine> The team named '~gnuzilla-team' has no PPA named 'ubuntu/ppa'
[00:54] <Refine> what?
[00:54] <drc> OK that ppa is probably bad now...I'd really ask the GNU folks, as you can see people here don't have much experience with icecat
[00:54] <Refine> erm, the gnu folks?
[00:55] <Unit193> Trisquel packages it, too.
[00:55] <drc> Yeah, GNU makes icecat...try #icecat :)
[00:55] <Refine> I went there first, no replies :/
[00:55] <drc> just found that channel :)
[00:56] <Refine> #trisquel
[00:56] <Unit193> I'd idle in #icecat and wait for an answer.
[00:56] <drc> yup^^
[00:56] <Unit193> You're not using Trisquel, so they'll not be likely to support you.
[00:56] <Refine> alright
[00:57] <Refine> i'll try and go through the manual method and see if I can get through it
[00:57] <Unit193> G'luck!
[00:58] <xubuntu77w> Hello?
[00:59] <Refine> thanks
[01:02] <Refine> Unit193 it says to add the correct lines for the version of Ubuntu you're using, the options are "Natty, Maverick (Trisquel 4.5), Lucid (Trisquel 4.0), Karmic (Trisquel 3.5, Hardy (gNewSense 2.3)"
[01:02] <Refine> any idea which I should pick?
[01:03] <drc> Refine: Those are all OLD versions...what version are you using now
[01:03] <drc> ?
[01:03] <Refine> xubuntu
[01:03] <drc> no...14.03, 15.04....?
[01:03] <Refine> 15.04
[01:04] <drc> Not sure any of those would work...I'd really ask and idle in #icecat
[01:05] <drc> anything we'd tell you here would probably be a guess.
[01:06] <Refine> alright
[01:06] <drc> natty (the latest there) was 11.04...so 2011 :)
[01:07]  * drc had to look up natty, it was that long ago.
[01:08] <Refine> wow
[01:08] <Refine> never knew icecat was so old
[01:09] <drc> No idea, never even heard of "icecat" (thus my confusion)
[01:09] <Unit193> !info firefox
[01:09] <drc> with updates to 40.whatever
[01:09] <Unit193> ..Is 31 ESR?
[01:10] <drc> Old ESR, 38 in current ERS (but 31 will be supports for just a while longer)
[01:10]  * drc likes 31 ESR :)
[01:11] <Refine> so the people on #icecat told me i just extract the dl and run icecat
[01:11] <Refine> but i can't find the file icecat
[01:11] <Refine> how do I search with this os?
[01:12] <drc> Refine: You'll have to ask them.  Icecat is not a Canonical package.
[01:12] <drc> use thunar or catfish (file search)
[01:13] <drc> and with that, I'm out....
[01:13] <Refine> alright cya later drc
[01:16] <Refine> got it!! turns out I downloaded the source code on accident
[05:17] <mariano> is there a guy on xubuntu to adjust screen brightness? I can do it with my fn keys, but the change ini brightness is not smooth.
[13:02] <sohail-ahmed> Though this is out of scope, but I need to make an account on tdf bugzilla to start as qa-assistant and I don't where on the web is tdf bugzilla. Any help?
[13:03] <krytarik> !ot | sohail-ahmed: There is this
[13:04] <sohail-ahmed> krytarik: that is why I said this off topic.
[13:04] <sohail-ahmed> but soory
[13:04] <krytarik> And that's why we have an extra channel for that.
[13:05] <sohail-ahmed> I just thought some one would provide me a link to that, as I asked in *-qa channel and no body responded yet
[13:05] <winsux> i can't seek m4a files anymore in vlc 2.2.1. some mp4 wont play at all
[13:06] <winsux> reinstalling vlc didnt fix my problem and removing h265 support (before this plugin m4a playback working normally) didnt help either. does anyone have suggestions?
[13:06] <krytarik> sohail-ahmed: I'd have to google that too, ftm
[13:08] <sohail-ahmed> krytarik: I did and could not figure out the appropriate place. Any ways through wiki links I have found buzzilla but don't know what is the difference between tdf bugzilla and bugzilla.
[13:08] <krytarik> Bugzilla is just a product.
[13:09] <krytarik> Can be used by many projects.
[13:09] <sohail-ahmed> and tdf bugzilla
[13:09] <krytarik> Aren't you referring the The Document Foundation there?
[13:11] <sohail-ahmed> oh yes. So tdf are ones who owns bugzilla?
[13:11] <krytarik> winsux: Try in #ubuntu too, please - since this isn't really Xubuntu-specific.
[13:12] <knome> sohail-ahmed, no... bugzilla is just a product name
[13:12] <winsux> krytarik, i did, but no response :(
[13:13] <sohail-ahmed> krytarik: knome: Thank you for your time. I found the one. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/
[14:54] <bx758> hello. thanks for this great distro. i love this so much. i installed xubuntu on my laptop and a normal pc. i want to install on my very old pc. is this possible? it has 2.4 celeron (single core) and 768mb ddr one ram
[14:55] <knome> you can install; whether it feels smooth enough (for you) is subjective
[14:55] <bx758> if you want any info from that pc i can tell you. plus it has debian (Text only) on it
[14:55] <bx758> ok. i will try.
[15:04] <cfhowlett> bx758, lubuntu is optimized for older, slower hardware
[15:10] <bx758> cfhowlett i prefer xfce. i will try
[15:10] <holstein> i say, try them live.. if you can deal with the way something runs live, then, the OS should be noticably faster installed.. nothing will make hardware any faster, or better..
[15:11] <holstein> both xfce and lxde should be about as good of a choice as anything, short of replacing the hardware..
[15:11] <cfhowlett> bx758, this ^^^
[15:12] <bx758> ok. im using that old pc with a debian kernel on it now. nothing will make hardware any faster, or better..
[15:12] <bx758> however, i want to thanks to the group for such a best distro ever.thx
[15:14] <holstein> you can install xfce from the debian repos.. though, there are reasons why you may prefer ubuntu.. the packages, ppa's.. the community.. etc
[15:15] <bx758> i used to do that. i installed fluxbox & ... and after starting xorg, the display gone splitted and graphic didn't supported that
[15:16] <bx758> sorry for my bad english...
[15:16] <holstein> i would expect similar issues with hardware support in linux kernels, in general
[15:16] <holstein> !vesa
[15:16] <holstein> when working with older hardware, i will keep use of the vesa driver on the table..
[15:17] <bx758> i used vesa.
[15:17] <holstein> what i typically do is try a lot of different live iso's.. my favorite for this is puppy, or knoppix.. i'll setup the desktop, and copy the xorg.conf, and keep it for use with ubuntu
[15:18] <bx758> i didn't tried that holstein. ok thanks for help. i gotta go. have a good day/night
[15:35] <Peyam> Hi
[15:36] <Peyam> Im very intressted in translating Xubuntu to Kurdish ( right to left language). before I do that I wonder if xubuntu desktop has support for rtl languages?
[15:37] <Peyam> I have plans to start translating vervid packages to kurdish from next week
[15:57] <flocculant> Peyam: the best place for that discussion is #xubuntu-devel and the person to talk to is slickymasterWork
[15:58] <flocculant> and if Ubuntu has RTL support there shouldn't (I guess) be any reason why we won't
[16:19] <Guest82069> \nick JtotheB3
[16:23] <JtotheB3> Hello. I am a bit frustrated with the network manager. I can not establish an EAP-TLS connection using a certificate. The graphical widget will not allow me to click "connect" after entering all of the information. If I manually modify the configuration files with all of the data, and try to connect it asks for my private key password - but I still cannot click "connect" after entering it. I verified my password is correct via OpenSS
[16:23] <JtotheB3> L.
[17:01] <ahi2> can anyone share files on a network between to xubuntus? I have had problems with it. Samba keeps asking for a password that never works. Is there a way to do it without samba?
[17:16] <mariano> Is there a way to adjust screen brightness on xubuntu through gui; something kind of like in windows?
[17:16] <hylian> yes, in the power settings. the "monitor tab" is what you want
[17:17] <xangua> there is a "bright indicator" if you mean an icon
[17:18] <hylian> no, you want to control it in power. click on the mouse menu, then the thing that has two sliders on the bottom riht of the mouse menu. then the "power" settings.
[17:19] <hylian> oops
[17:19] <mariano> On power settings (xfce power management) I only see brightness reduction option but for inactivity.
[17:19] <hylian> there are two settings their for brightness. i have to leave my chromebook and actally goto my xfce machine to give you a screenshot. so brb..
[17:20] <mariano> Thanks
[17:20] <mariano> I'm new to this linux thing.
[17:24] <mariano> brb
[17:31] <hylian> sorry, boneheaded me forgot that i need to fire up a laptop to get those screens. Firing up my desktop didn't help much. still need to find those brightness controls?
[17:31] <mariano> Yea.
[17:32] <mariano> I have to do that and horizontal scrolling for the touchpad. I am doing some google searching for the horizontal scrolling.
[17:33] <hylian> mariano: you can see my screenshots here: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1T0XlQmksXpfjhpRmYxU1F6SnJrRkQyNEhYSVAtNllETmladDAySzQ4WldjT0FzOHBNSGM&usp=sharing
[17:33] <mariano> ok
[17:36] <mariano> That looks a bit different than mine. My power manager is called xfce power manager and I have four tabs, namely general, system, display, and devices.
[17:36] <mariano> I don't have a monitor tab.
[17:38] <mariano> I was able to do it with the power manager plugin from the panel addons.
[17:38] <mariano> Thanks.
[17:39] <hylian> mariano: that is the xfce power manager. if you look at those screenshots, you will see it says so right on it. Not that it matters... hmmm,.
[17:39] <hylian> mariano: can you give us a screenshot?
[17:39] <mariano> I have no idea why mine is different.
[17:39] <mariano> Yea. I can get a screenshot
[17:39] <hylian> mariano: it's no big deal.
[17:40] <hylian> mariano: just out of curiosity, so we are on the same page, what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[17:41] <mariano> I just wanted to be able to adjust screen brightness, which I'm able to do now with the power plugin.
[17:41] <mariano> For some reason though our power managers look different.
[17:41] <hylian> I'm assuming this is a laptop?
[17:42] <mariano> Yea.
[17:42] <mariano> xps 12
[17:42] <hylian> mariano: what version of xunbuntu are you using? I stick with the lts versions, that might be why. I am using 14.04 lts.
[17:42] <mariano> 14.04 and xfce 4.12
[17:44] <hylian> mariano: ahh, thats why. I am using the stock xfce 4.10 that comes with 14.04.
[17:45] <mariano> thxs for the help.
[17:45] <hylian> mariano: on the xps, there are no brightness keys on the top of the keyboard? or on the side? (the kayboard ones usually mean you have to hold the function key down to use them)...
[17:48] <mariano> I tried doing that yesterday, but the changes are too drastic. It kept going from bright to fully dark almost. I needed better control so that the brightness did not wake up my baby while I work next to her.
[17:49] <mariano> The plugin works great though. I'll continue on getting the horizontal scrolling working later after I feed her. Thanks.
[17:49] <hylian> mariano: ahh i see. if there are any problems, contact me. http://dennygoot.blogspot.com/
[17:50] <mariano> I will thanks man. I really appreciate the help. :)
[17:50] <hylian> mariano: no problemo. :)
[20:49] <xubuntu67w> Hi Everyone, James here.... Fresh Install of Xubuntu 14.04.03 LTS on AMD64...4th-5th time, was following "10 things to do after" got me into trouble..! Any other DOC's to be recommended...?
[20:50] <mrkramps> xubuntu67w, can you provide a link?
[20:50] <xubuntu67w> to what..?
[20:50] <mrkramps> these 10 things to do atfter
[20:50] <xubuntu67w> just a sec..
[20:52] <xubuntu67w> https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/first-xubuntu
[20:52] <mrkramps> xubuntu67w, at which point you get stuck there?
[20:53] <xubuntu67w> I didnt get stuck anywhere....the Machine went nuts
[20:53] <knome> xubuntu67w, on what point?
[20:53] <xubuntu67w> DVD media player
[20:55] <mrkramps> there's no such point
[20:55] <xubuntu67w> yeah there is, it didnt work..
[20:56] <mrkramps> xubuntu67w, there's nothing about "DVD media player" on the whole page
[20:56] <knome> xubuntu67w, so... just to be clear, the xubuntu team/community does not maintain that page
[20:56] <knome> xubuntu67w, you should point issues to the maintainer
[20:57] <xubuntu67w> no but all the LIB downloads for media and codecs etc..
[20:57] <xubuntu67w> but thats History now, I want to know what to do AFTER install....
[20:58] <knome> xubuntu67w, what do you need from your system?
[20:59] <xubuntu67w> normal things, Internet, email, browsing....noooo Server or anything....
[20:59] <mrkramps> it's all there
[21:00] <knome> xubuntu67w, you don't need to do anything. you are ready to go!
[21:01] <xubuntu78w> normal things, Internet, email, web browsing...etc....   Sorry the Power went out here...
[21:02] <mrkramps> xubuntu78w, it's all there
[21:02] <mrkramps> why do you think you have to follow any kind of guide
[21:03] <xubuntu78w> Bcuz I transitioned over from Windows 7 and I dont know Xubuntu
[21:03] <knome> xubuntu offers a complete experience right after installing
[21:03] <mrkramps> xubuntu78w, the you should read about the basics and not about doing 10 to 100 weird things without explanation
[21:03] <knome> you do not need to install anything - unless you want something specific
[21:04] <mrkramps> xubuntu78w, http://docs.xubuntu.org/
[21:05] <xubuntu78w> I did read the Documentation on site....
[21:08] <xubuntu78w> so, would install have picked up on My AMD Series 8 3870 APU and the 8gb of memory... and the drivers..?
[21:09] <mrkramps> xubuntu78w, if everything works all drivers a setup correctly
[21:10] <xubuntu78w> thanks...! if one does know, how does one find out.. I've been reading and taking down notes...
[21:10] <mrkramps> this was already the case when the live system worked properly
[21:12] <bennypr0fane> If you think about sharing stuff between two Linux pcs on the same network, what's your first idea? Is SMB your got-to solution, or would you maybe use something else if there's no Windows involved?
[21:14] <mrkramps> bennypr0fane, in a pure linux environment you may use NFS or maybe sshfs
[21:16] <knome> if you don't use sharing often, or do it mostly one way, then i'd probably use sshfs
[21:19] <mrkramps> yeah, especially because sshfs is working with gvfs
[21:26] <bennypr0fane> mrkramps, why is gvfs good for you?
[21:27] <mrkramps> bennypr0fane, you can mount shares occasionally
[21:27] <mrkramps> instead of permanently in your fstab for example
[21:28] <bennypr0fane> mrkramps, so you would set up an sshfs share in gvfs?
[21:28] <mrkramps> bennypr0fane, depends on your needs
[21:29] <mrkramps> i do not share files regularly and prefer using something ssh based
[21:30] <bennypr0fane> mrkramps, so scp, rsync...
[21:31] <mrkramps> bennypr0fane, with ssh you have all these options
[21:32] <mrkramps> and you do not need to configure shares but have access to the user on the other system
[21:33] <mrkramps> if systems are used by two different people i would probably think about some device in between for providing shares
[21:33] <bennypr0fane> mrkramps, no, just me on these systems
[21:33] <mrkramps> then i definitely recommend using ssh
[21:51] <bennypr0fane> Just found this: http://www.msec.it/blog/?page_id=11 The cross-platformness is impressive!
[21:54] <mrkramps> bennypr0fane, with such tools you should always carefully check what they are using for zero configuration networking
[21:55] <bennypr0fane> hmmm, what are being cautious of?
[21:55] <mrkramps> in this case dukto is sending data about your machine to the developers
[21:56] <mrkramps> "The Software will periodically send anonymous data to the author servers for statistical information, like (but not only) the Software version, operating system version, application settings, current locale".
[22:00] <bennypr0fane> but you meant some kind of zeroconfig protocol that you find untrustworthy?
[22:00] <mrkramps> bennypr0fane, the developer does not explain in detail how exactly his program works
[22:01] <bennypr0fane> it's open, so I *could* look it up if I wanted to...
[22:02] <mrkramps> sure
[22:02] <mrkramps> but this is way more work than just using ssh ^^
[22:03] <mrkramps> and if you are interested in zero conf on linux you should rather read about avahi
[22:04] <mrkramps> it's also great if you plan to chat with yourself =P
[22:14] <bennypr0fane> mrkramps haha, will keep that in mind
[23:04] <ToeTag> #xfce
[23:04] <Unit193> Great channel, but they didn't give me as many cookies.
[23:05] <ToeTag> lol oops