[00:08] <Lorcatar> Is there a way to get the Pictures and reviews from ubuntu software center in lubuntu?
[00:09] <ianorlin> Lorcatar: you could install the ubuntu-software-center if you really wanted to or do you mean the into lubuntu-software-center although unbuntu-software-center can be a resource hog
[00:10] <Unit193> software-center
[00:11] <Lorcatar> Well, I was wondering if it would still install software properly? I just would like it sometimes. Definitely like Lubuntu better though.
[00:12] <ianorlin> it will it is actually all apt and dpkg under the hood really
[01:39] <eipi10> hi..
[01:39] <ianorlin> hi eipi10
[01:39] <eipi10> hi.  that's nice of you......
[01:39] <eipi10> I just installed Lubuntu and I am wondering....
[01:40] <eipi10> if it's ok to install ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[01:40] <eipi10> I'm really asking if anyone esle has doen it.
[01:41] <wxl> eipi10: yep and yep.
[01:41] <eipi10> ok..for me, it "hangs up" at the "installing flash drive" section
[01:41] <Unit193> !info lubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:41] <ubottu> lubuntu-restricted-extras (source: ubuntu-restricted-extras): Commonly used media codecs and fonts for Lubuntu. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 63 (vivid), package size 3 kB, installed size 30 kB
[01:43] <eipi10> oh...i didn't see "lubuntu-restricted-extras" in the software center.
[01:43] <holstein> i dont need flash, so, i dont install it.. i get the parts i need..., but, make sure you using "sudo apt-get update" then try the install
[01:43] <holstein> eipi10: should be quite similar..
[01:45] <eipi10> thanks.
[01:45] <eipi10> I uspated usiing the update manager prior to trying the install
[01:45] <eipi10> updated^
[01:48] <eipi10> while I've exposed my noobness, I have another ignorant question....
[01:48] <wxl> there's no such thing, eipi10
[01:48] <wxl> we're all noobs at something
[01:48] <wxl> just ask :)
[01:51] <eipi10> is there anything "gnome" about the lx DE?  I saw a package in "Themes and Tweaks" just labeled "Appearance" (sp?) and it read that it helps configure themes and such for gnome deesktop...
[01:51] <holstein> gtk, for now
[01:51] <wxl> eipi10: no, not exactly, but there is gtk libraries. that's a graphics library, made by the gnome folks, but doesn't mean you have the gnome desktop environment, etc
[01:52] <wxl> but if you want to be sure…
[01:52] <Unit193> eipi10: There may be a few GNOME-esq packages like evince used, but LXDE isn't GNOME, just GTK.
[01:52] <wxl> !purelxde | eipi10
[01:52] <ubottu> eipi10: If you want to remove all !KDE, !GNOME and !XFCE packages and have a default !Lubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde »
[01:55] <eipi10> ok...so gnome is a DE like lxDE..both written with gtk libraries?
[01:55] <holstein> DE = desktop environment..
[01:55] <eipi10> yes
[01:55] <holstein> with lots of parts.. window managers, for example..
[01:55] <ianorlin> yes but lxde uses gtk 2 current
[01:56] <eipi10> wouldn't making this pure lxde make things more difficult for noobs like me to build upon it?
[01:57] <holstein> its all open.. you can always build on what you like
[01:58] <eipi10> like at gnomelook.org, do I just look at gtk themes?
[01:58] <eipi10> gtk2
[01:58] <holstein> for now
[01:58] <ianorlin> eipi10: there are some not installed in the repos by default
[01:59] <holstein> whats the goal?
[01:59] <eipi10> umm, just a "look" for now I guess.
[01:59] <holstein> well, maybe try the one that it ships with, for now
[02:00] <holstein> there are also many in the default repos, as ianorlin suggests
[02:00] <eipi10> acquired through synaptic?
[02:00] <holstein> however you want.. whatever package manager you want to use
[02:01] <holstein> the sources are the default ubuntu sources. all official flavors use them.. you can use whatever package manager you choose to install packages
[02:02] <eipi10> lol...don't get mad....what other package managers?
[02:02] <holstein> ?
[02:03] <holstein> im not mad.. you can just use whatever package manager you want..
[02:03] <holstein> the software centers.. apt.. aptitude.. synaptic is a fine one, if thats what you are used to
[02:04] <eipi10> so if I run those commands from psychocat, can I still use stuff from the software center?
[02:05] <eipi10> I guess not
[02:07] <Unit193> That'll remove software-center, you can install it and use it, just like synaptic, aptitude, moun, etc, etc.
[02:08] <eipi10> holy crap that command line is long
[02:08] <Unit193> Yep, but note it looks like it is for 12.10?
[02:09] <eipi10> won't that make this distro super "light" removing all that garbage?  I read facebook and others in there for the ubuntu code
[02:09] <eipi10> I dont know what 12.10 looked like. I am brand new
[02:11] <eipi10> for the ubuntu command line, half the returns read, ".... not installed, so .... not removed"  the other half read E:  couldn't find
[02:13] <eipi10> man, it sure does take a while to type those commands....I may be at this a while!
[02:13] <eipi10> jk
[02:14] <eipi10> I guess I'll log out and back in to see changes
[02:44] <qwerty250> which terminal do you use
[02:47] <eipi10> who?
[02:48] <qwerty250> just to ask
[02:57] <eipi10> I'm seein all kinds of farm out stuff, man
[02:58] <eipi10> the cartoon pixie nixel is hotter than the real one
[05:09] <Halelujah> Hi. My sound is not working.. I'm using snd-hda-intel driver
[05:12] <Halelujah> gatis@pc:~$ dmesg | grep hda
[05:12] <Halelujah> [   15.115477] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:14.2: CORB reset timeout#1, CORBRP = 0
[05:12] <Halelujah> [   15.115496] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:14.2: no codecs found!
[05:23] <Halelujah> I found out I found out my Audio card uses AD1981B codec
[05:23] <Halelujah> how to manually activate it?
[05:34] <Halelujah> i dont get it why it doesnt wor
[05:34] <Halelujah> work
[05:34] <Halelujah> This channel is dead :/
[05:35] <pleia2> could just be that no one here now has the same sound card :) you could also try ubuntuforums.org or askubuntu.com
[05:36] <pleia2> a lot more people there, so higher chance that someone else has similar hardware
[05:41] <Halelujah> im looking for anyone who here who understands ALSA
[06:25] <Kamilion> o/
[06:25] <Kamilion> what motherboard?
[06:27] <Kamilion> Halelujah: snd-intel8x0 instead of snd-hda_intel. You may have to blacklist snd-hdaintel
[06:29] <Kamilion> http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/sound/pci/intel8x0.c#L81
[06:29] <Kamilion> might need to pass ac97_quirk=2 to snd-intel8x0 when modprobing it
[06:29] <Kamilion> (i'm assuming you're on a thinkpad)
[06:30]  * Kamilion wanders off again
[06:33] <Halelujah> Kamilion no
[06:34] <Halelujah> Kamilion i have HP Compaq 6715s
[06:34] <Kamilion> Intel 82801DB-ICH4 or Intel 82801FB-ICH6?
[06:36] <Halelujah> hmm
[06:36] <Halelujah> lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio"
[06:37] <Halelujah> 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
[06:37] <Halelujah> I dont really know
[06:37] <Kamilion> oh, that's something else then
[06:38] <Kamilion> AMD700/800 series chipset on a desktop machine?
[06:38] <Kamilion> like a 790g or something like that?
[06:38] <Halelujah> i have laptop
[06:38] <Kamilion> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[06:39] <Kamilion> pastebin a full 'lspci'
[06:40] <qwerty250> what terinal do you use
[06:40] <Halelujah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12116403/
[06:40] <Halelujah> qwerty250: ctrl + alt + t
[06:41] <Halelujah> I have ADI Soundmax AD1981B sound card
[06:42] <Kamilion> that's just a codec
[06:42] <Halelujah> ok
[06:43] <Kamilion> the actual sound is generated by the southbridge chipset, the RS690
[06:43] <Kamilion> ah
[06:43] <Kamilion> it has an HDMI port, yes?
[06:43] <Halelujah> hmm i think no
[06:44] <Halelujah> no
[06:44] <Halelujah> its old laptop
[06:44] <Kamilion> yeah, I know, 2007-2008 era
[06:44] <Halelujah> Kamilion RS690 it's a video card
[06:45] <Kamilion> integrated chipset GPU, to be exact
[06:45] <Halelujah> ok
[06:45] <Halelujah> It's wierd i only have this sound problem with Lubuntu
[06:45] <Kamilion> based on the 'northbridge' chip, while the 'sorthbridge' chip, the SB600, should be responsible for the audio
[06:45] <Halelujah> well i don't know much about details
[06:46] <Kamilion> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5481
[06:46] <Kamilion> it's apparently somewhat well known
[06:46] <Kamilion> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[06:47] <Kamilion> yeah, looks like it might have gotten broken somewhere
[06:47] <Halelujah> i tried that
[06:47] <Kamilion> definitely showing that snd_intel_hda is the correct driver
[06:47] <Halelujah> options snd-hda-intel model=hp
[06:48] <Kamilion> did you try model=auto ?
[06:48] <Halelujah> yes tried it also
[06:48] <Halelujah> once when i purged and reinstalled alsa i got sound working
[06:48] <Halelujah> but after restart sound was gone.
[06:49] <Halelujah> aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found...
[06:49] <Kamilion> try model=laptop enable_msi=1
[06:49] <Kamilion> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1043568
[06:49] <Kamilion> for a 6735s
[06:49] <Kamilion> might be close enough
[06:50] <Halelujah> nah
[06:50] <Halelujah> not working
[06:50] <Halelujah> i dont get it. Why sound works on other distributions
[06:51] <Kamilion> hm, well you can try the alsa config dumper there
[06:51] <Kamilion> and diff it to the config dumper on lubuntu
[06:51] <Halelujah> what do you mean?
[06:52] <Kamilion> you say it works in other distros
[06:54] <Kamilion> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/HDA_Analyzer   "this tool can also proc files and output from alsa-info.sh script and monitor mode (check --help option)"
[06:54] <Kamilion> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA
[06:54] <Kamilion> but I don't think it'll help much
[06:54] <Kamilion> might be better off with a simple USB DAC
[06:54] <Kamilion> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=PCM2704
[06:55] <Kamilion> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1Pcs-PCM2704-5V-Mini-USB-Powered-Sound-Card-DAC-Decoder-Board-for-PC-Good-/181561936744
[06:55] <Kamilion> I bought a bunch of these to use with raspberry pis
[06:56] <Kamilion> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PCM2704-USB-DAC-USB-to-S-PDIF-Sound-Card-Decoder-Board-With-Aluminum-Enclosure-/310799247879 but there's other ones in fancy cases too
[06:56] <Halelujah> nah
[06:57] <Halelujah> ill just install other os
[06:57] <Kamilion> also, if you can get it to work on one of the other ubuntu images
[06:57] <Kamilion> you can probably apt-get install lubuntu-desktop and it'll continue to work
[06:57] <Halelujah> hmm
[06:57] <Halelujah> After this command i'll get sound for a bit i know
[06:57] <Kamilion> mythbuntu or ubuntu-studio might have what you need
[06:58] <Halelujah> sudo aptitude --purge reinstall linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils linux-image-`uname -r` linux-ubuntu-modules-`uname -r` libasound2
[06:58] <Kamilion> Huh.
[06:58] <Kamilion> that almost sounds like bad mixer settings
[06:58] <Kamilion> have you tried messing with the mixer volumes and muting and unmuting channels?
[06:58] <Halelujah> ill try command again
[06:58] <Halelujah> i cant open mixer
[06:59] <Kamilion> when you purge and reinstall the packages, does the mixer open during the point where you have sound?
[06:59] <Halelujah> yesterday it worked yeah
[06:59] <Halelujah> after restart soundw as gone
[06:59] <Halelujah> ill try again
[07:00] <Kamilion> that's definitely strange behavior
[07:01] <Halelujah> need to restart
[07:01] <Kamilion> g'luck
[07:04] <Halelujah> Now sound works :/
[07:05] <Halelujah> i guess after restart it won't work
[07:06] <Halelujah> Can you explain what is happening
[07:07] <Halelujah> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[07:07] <Halelujah> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: AD1981 Analog [AD1981 Analog] Subdevices: 0/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[07:09] <Halelujah> Kamilion:
[07:11] <Kamilion> hm.
[07:12] <Kamilion> alsa-info.sh found it?
[07:12] <Halelujah> nop
[07:12] <Kamilion> well, something's getting written to a config file somewhere
[07:13] <Kamilion> otherwise purging wouldn't help any
[07:13] <Kamilion> but I have no idea where off the top of my head.
[07:15] <Kamilion> could be something in /var/, could be something in /etc/
[07:17] <Halelujah> what you mean by alsa-info.sh found it?
[07:26] <Kamilion> did alsa-info.sh find it?
[07:28] <Kamilion> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=6805a09edb2836983275f22c28838051ca94637e   <--- there's mine.
[07:33] <Halelujah> how to run it?
[07:33] <Kamilion> uh, type alsa-info.sh at a terminal and answer the one question it asks? (do you want to upload?)
[07:35] <Halelujah> gatis@pc:~$ alsa-info.sh
[07:35] <Halelujah> alsa-info.sh: command not found
[07:35] <Halelujah> :P
[07:36] <Halelujah> Kamilion: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=15660289cb52879b9daf25ab4c085b5c0fe20d83
[07:36] <Kamilion> huh, it's there on the lubuntu-15.10 devcd
[07:37] <Halelujah> im not using livecd
[07:37] <Kamilion> snd_hda_intel: model=laptop enable_msi=1  <--- it's picked it up
[07:38] <Kamilion> Halelujah: normally if it's around on the livecd, it's around on the final install too. odd.
[07:39] <Kamilion> but since I'm having trouble installing 15.10 anyway, moot point. lol
[07:39] <Halelujah> hmm do you think sound works because of model=laptop enable_msi=1?
[07:39] <Kamilion> no idea -- did you add that and then purge?
[07:40] <Halelujah> yeah i add that and then purged
[07:40] <Halelujah> i thouhgt it would wipe it
[07:40] <Kamilion> I would have figured the purge woulda killed it off too
[07:40] <Kamilion> but I know what enable_msi does
[07:40] <Kamilion> that changes how PCI does interrupts
[07:41] <Kamilion> essentially it says 'tell me about interrupts over the PCI bus as messages'
[07:41] <Kamilion> with the default being 'use a pin to signal me when an interrupt comes in'
[07:41] <Halelujah> hmm
[07:42] <Halelujah> maybe i should restart
[07:42] <Halelujah> to test if sound will continue to work
[07:42] <Kamilion> good luck, hope it was just that easy to fix your issue.
[07:46] <Halelujah> Kamilion: sound is gone :(
[07:47] <Halelujah> when i purge, reinstall ALSA and restart i get my sound... But after next restart sound is gone!
[07:47] <Kamilion> and what's alsa-info.sh say now?
[07:47] <Halelujah> Kamilion: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=4da95d7a38b455fa392dba97746dadea57b264b6
[07:48] <Kamilion> wow, it really freaked out
[07:49] <Halelujah> no ALSA module loaded :/
[07:49] <Kamilion> yeah, that dmesg output looks bad
[07:49] <Kamilion> but I donno what to tell you other than maybe stuff that package purge in /etc/rc.local, lol
[07:50] <Halelujah> but whats wrong?
[07:53] <Halelujah> That's strange
[07:57] <Halelujah> ok
[07:57] <Halelujah> im installing other os
[07:58] <Halelujah> i haev this problem only with Lubuntu
[08:01] <Kamilion> sorry to hear that.
[08:01] <Kamilion> I'm just another user.
[08:01] <Kamilion> i know a little more about debugging than average, but I'm no developer
[10:04] <Halelujah> Hey
[10:04] <Halelujah> Im not able to fix my audio problem
[11:23] <bhr> Is there an email where lubuntu design suggestions can be sent?
[13:22] <eipi10> isn't there a gui that allows one to render 'computer' on the desktop?
[13:33] <eipi10> anyone?
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[14:23] <leszek> eipi10: what do you mean exactly ?
[14:24] <Unit193> Copy pcmanfm.desktop to the desktop and change Exec= to pcmanfm computer:///
[14:25] <eipi10> umm, I was using Peppermint not too long ago, and I believe it was gconfig that let one see "My Computer" on his desktop
[14:25] <leszek> ah eipi10 see Unit193 answer :)
[14:25] <eipi10> yeah Unit, theres that, which is better.
[14:26] <leszek> eipi10: the gconf thingy was for nautilus the gnome filemanager
[14:27] <eipi10> yep, I read that.  Thanks, I'm pretty new.
[14:28] <eipi10> while I have someone, are "widgets" icons or buttons on, start menu, lets say?
[14:38] <leszek> widgets is a term used for many things in different parts of software
[14:38] <eipi10> ok, as it relates to "themes" I guess.  I'm tring to change the icons on the panel.
[14:38] <leszek> in graphical user interface development widgets are basically buttons, radio, checkbox, sliders, scrollbars, textboxes and so on
[14:39] <eipi10> Thanks Unit193, thats perfect.
[14:39] <Unit193> 'Welcome.
[14:39] <leszek> eipi10: the icons for the quicklaunch items or the items of the theme in general ?
[14:39] <eipi10> items like the systray, volume button..
[14:40] <eipi10> wait, I think the volume is in the systray
[14:40] <eipi10> can i take a scrrenshot and send it?
[14:41] <leszek> eipi10: yeah thats the global icon theme that sets these
[14:41] <leszek> so you need to change the global icon theme for them to change aswell
[14:41] <eipi10> ok, I see
[14:41] <leszek> despite that some apps doing systray entries might explicetly ship their own icon
[14:44] <eipi10> ty
[14:49] <leszek> np
[14:49] <holstein> one could, for example, take the config files from peppermint's LXDE desktop (the older version) and see how they work with current lubuntu, quite easily
[14:50] <holstein> should be, they just drop in, and, there really are no additional elements needed, such as packages to add, to get that desktop
[14:50] <holstein> it was quite lean/simple..
[14:51] <holstein> now that its xfce based, that may be less the case.. but, i assumed you were comparing the lxde version, eipi10
[14:52] <eipi10> hi holstein and yes, I was
[14:57] <eipi10> umm, these desktop config files are located where?
[14:57] <holstein> eipi10: not only desktop config files.. *all* config files.. in the users /home usually
[14:58] <holstein> for example, ~/.config
[14:58] <holstein> ~ = a shortcut for /home/username
[14:58] <eipi10> ah, ok
[15:27] <eipi10> I wonder if I can just add peppermints lxpanel
[15:30] <holstein> eipi10: not really
[15:30] <holstein> eipi10: lxpanel *is* lxpanel. so, you just add the config for it, from peppermint, and see if the versions support the shared config
[15:31] <eipi10> I think that's what I mean:  /home/eipi-1/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu  but peppermint instead/beside lubuntu
[15:31] <eipi10> is that what you mean?
[15:32] <eipi10> oh, I don't think it is
[15:32] <eipi10> oic!
[15:32] <holstein> right.. you can try the config from the older pmint version..
[15:33] <holstein> you can grab it from the live iso
[15:33] <eipi10> yeah
[15:33] <holstein> lxde is lxde.. and all the parts just read config files
[15:33] <holstein> doesnt hurt to try them.. i used to use a bunch, actually in peppermint, and ubuntu, that i grabbed from crunchbang
[15:34] <eipi10> I thought pep6 was lxde
[15:34] <holstein> not that im aware of.. should be, the last few are using xfce
[15:34] <holstein> now, that xfce may be using the lxpanel.. i dont know..
[15:34] <eipi10> oh.  I thought it was just xfwm4
[15:34] <holstein> i have only installed that as a base, and used what i wanted
[15:35] <holstein> eipi10: i have no facts about that.. you may be correct.. could just be lxde with the xfce window manager..
[15:35] <eipi10> ok
[15:47] <eipi10> the entire .config folder or the .config/lxpanel folder? or the .config/lxpanel/peppermint?
[15:47] <Iriz> hello all, Where support French ? Please
[15:48] <Iriz> ok merci c'est sympa...
[16:31] <holstein> eipi10: what do i do? i backup what i had, and i make sure i understand how to manipulate those.. otherwise, they are in the user /home, and not going to effect (break) the system
[16:32] <holstein> as long as i have a backup of what i have, and i know how to swap the config's out, via live iso, or command line, or as another user, if my login breaks, i just try things, and see
[16:34] <eipi10> when I replaced the lubuntu folder with the peppermint folder in .config/lxpanel/, the system just re-wrote the lubuntu folder upon reboot
[16:35] <eipi10> when I replaced the entire lxpanel folder, things got zaney
[16:35] <holstein> \
[16:35] <holstein> oopps..
[16:36] <holstein> eipi10: you wont put any peppermint folders in place, and have things 'work'
[16:36] <holstein> you will literally only be able to simply put in your own config.. in this case, your own beinng the one you grab from peppermint
[16:36] <holstein> you would take the config for *only* the panel, for instance, and put it in place.. not a specific special peppermint folder structure
[16:37] <holstein> if peppermint changes a lot from the defaults of what is expected, then, it wont work without addressing the changes from default
[16:38] <eipi10> no biggie..I want to find an icon theme anyway..
[16:39] <eipi10> I really just want panel plug-ins
[16:39] <eipi10> but thanks for your help anyway
[17:25] <deitarion> Firefox just got pushed onto GTK+ 3.x which means I can't ignore it anymore. Is there a way to fix the theme in Lubuntu 14.04 so GTK+ 3.x apps aren't eye-searingly pale compared to GTK+ 2.x ones?
[17:41] <ianorlin> deitarion: do you have a screenshot?
[17:41] <ianorlin> also what theme are you using in lxappearance?
[17:41] <deitarion> One sec.
[17:44] <deitarion> Ugh. Never mind. Some time in the last 6 months, file-roller started following the theme correctly (I normally use Ark because of a menu bug in file-roller) but it seems the Aurora-channel Firefox I'm using  just reintroduced the bug while switching to GTK+ 3.x.
[17:45] <deitarion> That means this is a Firefox bug, not a GTK+ 3.x theming bug.
[17:47] <deitarion> However, if you want, I can still take a screenshot so you can see what I'm talking about.
[17:51] <deitarion> Here it is. (I had to put it together anyway to show to someone in #firefox @ mozilla)
[17:51] <deitarion> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14610481/gtk_woes.png
[17:54] <deitarion> Oh, wait. It IS a problem. That colour Firefox shows is the base colour for GTK+ 3.x open/save dialogs.
[17:55] <deitarion> Which means that I was fooled by it setting a base colour for the top toolbar which matches the base window colour for the GTK+ 2.x theme.
[17:56] <ianorlin> deitarion: what theme are you using the lubuntu default one?
[17:56] <deitarion> Yes.
[17:59] <ianorlin> deitarion: you could always choose a different theme or maybe even the  lubuntu artwork dialy ppa as that has some fixes that were not out when 14.04 released
[18:00] <ianorlin> although not sure if you have pulled in a new gtk 3 version
[18:02] <deitarion> At the moment, I have my hands full just trying to squash bugs in the KDE componentry I was forced to pull in due to Openbox and LXPanel reacting very badly to my newly non-rectangular desktop.
[18:03] <deitarion> Plus, I'm still squashing "Nobody tested GNOME/OSX dialog button ordering support in this crappy DE" issues.
[18:03] <deitarion> And PCManFM, for that matter.
[18:04] <deitarion> The version of PCManFM I'm running squeeses its icons into the intersection of _NET_WM_WORKAREA and the left-hand monitor... which is quite small on this desktop.
[18:04] <deitarion> s/squeeses/squeezes/
[18:05] <ianorlin> ah I think 14.04 had some troubles with multimonitor
[18:06] <deitarion> Only if the desktop is non-rectangular or you want icons beyond your left-hand monitor.
[18:06] <deitarion> I had no problems with a dual-head system but my new left-most monitor is still waiting on Hong Kong for a bracket.
[18:07] <deitarion> (Gotta love passive DisplayPort->DVI-D converters on cards where the manufacturers remembered to connect all of the DisplayPort traces.)
[18:08] <ianorlin> deitarion: I actually don't have display port and still have dvi and hdmi
[18:08] <deitarion> My GeForce GTX750 has one DP, one HDMI, and one DVI and I only have DVI monitors.
[18:09] <deitarion> 3x 1280x1045 = 3840x1024
[18:09] <deitarion> One monitor I bought, one dumpster-dived replacement for a failed one I'd bought, and one given to me by a friend after the power button broke.
[18:11] <deitarion> I may eventually go for a 4K display, but only once large format 4K displays become sufficiently common and inexpensive. If I'm going to pay to drive more pixels, I want to keep the DPI low enough to usably fit that many more applications.
[18:12] <deitarion> (Same reason I run Lubuntu with as few components as possible from heavier desktops. If I'm going to pay for beefier hardware, I want to actually do more with it.)
[18:13] <ianorlin> this is becomeing more general chat than support though so might be better to move it to lubuntu-offtopic
[18:14] <deitarion> Nah. The transition is too jarring. I just stop when it's brought to my attention.
[18:16] <deitarion> More on topic, here's the common dialogs explanation for why I kick apps off my desktop as they move to GTK+ 3.x --> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14610481/gtk_woes_2.png
[18:16] <ianorlin> deitarion: yeah upstream lxde wasn't really happy with gtk3
[18:16] <ianorlin> that is part of the reason they went lxqt
[18:17] <deitarion> ianorlin: I know. I was hanging out in the mailing list at the time.
[18:18] <deitarion> One of these days, I need to try LXQt but, given how I never could get Razor-Qt to work when I tested it, I'm not hopeful. (LXDE is fragile enough across Lubuntu upgrades without bringing a shift to a whole new codebase into it)
[18:19] <deitarion> Of course, I'm probably going to have to write my own session manager either way, given that not even KDE can get it right. (Every time a power outage forces me to reboot and I choose a KDE session, I have to manually launch over half a dozen apps which are set to autostart, autostart just fine in a Lubuntu session, and have no desktop-specific exclusions in their .desktop files...  in but simply don't autostart)
[18:20] <deitarion> ...and, for reasons I've never been able to figure out, Thunderbird autostarts just fine in KDE but, in the Lubuntu session, it runs its update manager and then exits without ever showing the main window.
[18:20] <deitarion> Same ~/.config/autostart/thunderbird.desktop file.
[18:22] <deitarion> Plus, of course, there are things like Conky which are prone enough to crashes during long-running sessions that I need to wrap them in a shell one-liner to respawn them. Much simpler to just write my own session manager in Rust which provides something systemd-like but session-level rather than system-level.
[18:24] <deitarion> At the same time, I could try using the session management protocol to bring IDE-level "save/load project/session" support to arbitrary groups of apps, sort of like Firefox tab groups.
[18:24] <deitarion> Anyway, I won't go further onto that tangent.