[04:43] <hikiko> hello
[08:05] <willcooke> Urgh.  Very broken computer this morning
[08:14] <tseliot> Laney: hi, any updates on the review?
[09:34] <darkxst> Laney, seb128 guess your busy at debconf? but would be nice to get the gsettings stuff landed to unblock g-s-d/g-c-c 3.16
[09:34] <darkxst> bug 1475949
[09:35] <darkxst> (but guess its not likely to happen before feature freeze... )
[09:36] <seb128> darkxst, hey, yeah sort of busy here
[09:36] <seb128> well, you have upload rights now
[09:36] <seb128> just land it
[09:36] <seb128> we can sort out bugs/issues later on
[09:36] <seb128> ;-)
[09:37] <darkxst> seb128, k, will see if I can work the silo thing, have access to that now
[09:39] <seb128> let me know if you need help with that
[09:46] <seb128> darkxst, basically go on https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#?limit=50 log in with sso and check the citrain permission, enter the info, click assign, then use https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/dashboard.html to start the build
[09:47] <seb128> you can mix ci merges for u-c-c and manually dput sources in the silo
[09:48] <darkxst> seb128, it can't handle bzr branches for g-c-c etc?
[09:49] <darkxst> not sure I'll be able to dput to the silo's directly without core-dev?
[09:49] <seb128> I think you should
[09:50] <seb128> well, unsure how they configured the owning teams
[09:50] <seb128> but I can dput for you if needed
[09:50] <seb128> and no, it's not handling debian/ only vcses
[09:50] <darkxst> seb128, I will try and see, so only ci branches go in the MP box?
[09:51] <seb128> yes
[09:52] <seb128> then you put the things you plan to dput on the "manual source packages" box
[09:57] <darkxst> seb128, QA box?
[09:57] <seb128> darkxst, "not needed"
[09:57] <seb128> those changes shouldn't impact the touch image
[10:07] <seb128> darkxst, line seems ok, you need to click on build from https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/dashboard.html#?q=ubuntu%2Flanding-016 next
[10:08] <seb128> you might want to dput the sources first
[10:08] <darkxst> seb128, need to upload g-s-d first
[10:08] <seb128> right
[10:08] <seb128> let me know if you have upload rights or not
[10:09] <darkxst> seb128, just running quick sbuilds, there was fallout from tzdata change in g-c-c atleast
[10:09] <seb128> k
[10:11] <darkxst> that will likely affect u-c-c also
[10:14] <darkxst> hmm, u-c-c uses a different map for timezone panel?
[10:14] <darkxst> bug 753643
[10:15] <darkxst> or really https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753643
[10:15] <seb128> unsure, it uses libtimezonemap I think
[10:15] <seb128> so yeah, likely
[10:17] <darkxst> right, don't think upstream ever took that concept (or it was just never completed)
[10:18] <seb128> does it mean ucc doesn't have the gcc issue then?
[10:27] <darkxst> seb128, it means libtimezonemap will have the issue most likely, next time it tries to build (assuming it uses the same tests)
[10:29] <darkxst> seb128, Rejected:
[10:29] <darkxst> Signer has no upload rights to this PPA.Rejected:
[10:29] <darkxst> Signer has no upload rights to this PPA.
[10:30] <seb128> darkxst, ;-/
[10:30] <seb128> brb, irc client restart
[10:30] <seb128> back
[10:31] <darkxst> can you upload bug 1466245 and bug 1468943
[10:31] <seb128> darkxst, I can dput for you if you put the files somewhere
[10:31] <darkxst> there are branches in both of those
[10:31] <darkxst> but can put into another ppa for copy I guess
[10:32] <Laney> tseliot: at debconf this week but haven't forgotten
[10:32] <seb128> that would be nice, or maybe ask in -ci-eng if they can add you the to team needed for those uploads
[10:34] <tseliot> Laney: oh, ok, can you tell me when you think you'll be able to review it? (I need to update the managers)
[10:34] <tseliot> please
[10:35] <Laney> I don't know, hopefully this week but if not then early next
[10:35] <Laney> Someone else could do it too if you don't want to wait
[10:35] <Laney> like maybe robert_ancell
[10:38] <tseliot> Laney: it's ok, I only needed a rough estimate
[11:15] <hikiko> willcooke, http://i.imgur.com/1uKCsys.jpg (the helloworld works + appears in ccsm) now I have to make it draw something... :p
[11:17] <willcooke> hikiko, this is for the demo right?
[11:19] <hikiko> willcooke, yes :) the hellochangsha
[11:19] <willcooke> hikiko, awesome!
[11:20] <seb128> what are they wanting to add?
[11:20] <willcooke> seb128, nothing yet - just giving a demo as part of the meeting, but I expect some new ideas will come from it
[11:21] <seb128> k, advertizing ccsm doesn't seem like a good idea though
[11:21] <hikiko> seb128, why not?
[11:21] <seb128> best way to ruin your system ;-)
[11:21] <hikiko> you can revert changes :)
[11:21] <didrocks> and we explicitely put a first time warning
[11:22] <willcooke> this wouldn't be aimed at users
[11:22] <seb128> k
[12:36] <jcastro> willcooke: TB meeting is about ~30 minute into the desktop meeting
[12:36] <jcastro> so if any of you are bored and want to help me convince the tech board about letting us add a hook in the GUI driver installer for a PPA, I would much appreciate the support!
[12:37] <willcooke> jcastro, meeting should be quick today because a lot of people are out, so I should be able to attend
[12:37] <ogra_> jcastro, lol
[12:38]  * ogra_ has been trying that for about 3 years and finally ave up 
[12:38] <ogra_> *gave
[12:38] <ogra_> (for the arm boards where we needed out of archive codecs and such)
[12:40] <jcastro> yeah, I totally understand why we do it.
[12:41] <ogra_> i'd say your chances of success are pretty low :)
[12:42] <jcastro> have a positive attitude man!
[12:42] <ogra_> well, crossing fingers for you :)
[14:20] <kenvandine> jgdx!
[14:20] <jgdx> kenvandine!?!?
[14:20] <didrocks> seems kenvandine is spying on the channel :)
[14:21] <jgdx> kenvandine, does this mean your irc client doesn't hide join hides? :p
[14:21] <kenvandine> jgdx, nope :)
[14:21] <jgdx> s/hides/parts
[14:21] <kenvandine> didrocks, i'll never leave ubuntu-desktop :)
[14:21]  * seb128 hugs kenvandine
[14:21] <didrocks> |m|
[14:21] <jgdx> seb128, enjoying the conference?
[14:22] <seb128> kenvandine is always going to be one of us!
[14:22] <seb128> jgdx, yes, quite some good talks
[14:22] <jgdx> cool
[14:22] <willcooke> Happy birthday kenvandine \o/
[14:22] <seb128> jgdx, so, input selection you were saying?
[14:22] <willcooke> kenvandine, oh, wait FB lied to me
[14:22] <willcooke> kenvandine, happy anniversary it seems
[14:23] <jgdx> seb128, yeah, high level for now..
[14:23] <kenvandine> haha
[14:23] <kenvandine> thx willcooke!
[14:24] <jgdx> seb128, so if you pair with a bt kbd, there's code assigning the kbd a input source, right?
[14:25] <seb128> jgdx, I don't think so
[14:25] <seb128> the keyboard layout is an xorg server thing
[14:25] <seb128> it's not by device
[14:25] <jgdx> right
[14:28] <seb128> jgdx, unsure how those things work in the mir world
[14:28] <seb128> there is an api to change the active layout I think
[14:28] <seb128> but unsure what's the architecture there
[14:29] <seb128> if we want to keep indicator-keyboard
[14:29] <seb128> if it talks directly to mir or unity8 or ...
[14:29] <jgdx> seb128, so the old system settings queries and manipulates settings in xorg server
[14:30] <seb128> yes
[14:34] <seb128> jgdx, see e.g http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-settings-daemon-team/unity-settings-daemon/trunk/view/head:/plugins/keyboard/gsd-keyboard-manager.c#L1001
[14:37] <jgdx> seb128, cool, thanks.
[14:38] <jgdx> seb128, what's RF?
[14:38] <jgdx> region format?
[14:38] <seb128> yw
[14:45] <kvgeorge1> join #ubuntu
[14:46] <kvgeorge1> #ubuntu
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Weekly Meeting - 2015-08-18
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 18 15:30:36 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Hi folks
[15:30] <willcooke> Lots of people out this week so it should be a short meeting.
[15:31] <andyrock> hey
[15:31] <willcooke> Roll Call: andyrock (maybe), attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks (out), fjkong (out), happyaron (out), hikiko, laney (out), larsu (out), qengho, seb128 (out), sweet5hark (out), themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevino, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <qengho> 'sup.
[15:31] <dgadomski> hey
[15:31] <Trevinho> Hi!
[15:31] <hikiko> hi
[15:31] <Trevinho> (seb128 see, i'm here now :))
[15:31] <hikiko> lol
[15:31] <seb128> Trevinho, ;-)
[15:32] <seb128> willcooke, desrt is (out) as well I think, he's at debconf with us
[15:32] <willcooke> oops, yes, thanks
[15:32] <willcooke> oki, well lets get started so I can go and give jcastro some moral support
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:32] <seb128> Trevinho, you are there but nobody else is to see it :p
[15:33] <willcooke> oops, no, force of habit
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <andyrock> hey
[15:33] <willcooke> andyrock, you're up
[15:33] <andyrock> * Investigating "menu triangle" solution for gtk menus: spent few hours but the logic is too messy to be fixed by me without spending weeks on it
[15:33] <andyrock> * Trying to fix "Show Desktop" in Unity:
[15:33] <andyrock> *** MP for bug #1485073
[15:33] <andyrock> *** MP for bug #1485559
[15:34] <andyrock> * MP for bug #1485668
[15:34] <andyrock> * Investigatin on bug #1485727. Still debugging.
[15:34] <andyrock> * Learning swedish :(
[15:34] <andyrock> that's more or less all
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks a lot andyrock
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:35] <attente> hi, not much to report. hacked together a click package containing a libertine container with xchat that manages to run under u8, but had to do some hacky workarounds for some problems and am now trying to automate the process
[15:35] <attente> (eof)
[15:35] <willcooke> Thanks attente, see you next week in London to put the finishing touches to the click :)
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:35] <dgadomski> hey, nothing to share this time, was off for a couple of days last week
[15:35] <dgadomski> thanks
[15:36] <willcooke> thx dgadomski
[15:36] <willcooke> how's life in OEM?  :D:D
[15:36] <dgadomski> :D
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:36] <hikiko> working on tutorials and the presentation for Changsha (https://ufuntu.wordpress.com/category/compiz-introduction-and-demo/), started a compiz helloworld plugin and a tutorial on that. (The password for the blog posts is foo, the lock is temporal because the tutorials are half-done, I ll make them public afterwards) EOF
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks hikiko, this will be an interesting resource to share more widely once you're happy with it
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:37] <willcooke>   - Debconf
[15:37] <willcooke>   - Help to finish the main g++5 transition (went in Sunday night from
[15:37] <willcooke>     the bar at our hotel) with lots of rebuilds, test fixes and other
[15:37] <willcooke>     pushing of packages. Wrote/fixed a script which a few of us used to
[15:37] <willcooke>     help pin down issues. Hopefully will be generally useful for
[15:37] <willcooke>     update_output poking in future.
[15:37] <willcooke>       https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-archive-tools/update-output-helper/+merge/267970
[15:37] <willcooke>   - Merge D-Bus 1.9.20 (RC for 1.10) - delta is quite small now and
[15:37] <willcooke>     could probably go away post-upstart after the apparmor stuff is
[15:37] <willcooke>     moved over to the upstream method.
[15:37] <willcooke>       https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1477086
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:37] <willcooke> welcome back qengho
[15:38] <qengho> Thanks! I started to type up a summary.
[15:38] <qengho> It's mostly:
[15:38] <qengho> * vacation
[15:38] <willcooke> :)
[15:38] <willcooke> sure thing
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:38] <qengho> * upstream Chromium is removing launchpad translations. They're stale and only we use them.
[15:38] <willcooke> - debconf
[15:38] <willcooke> - patch pilot (half)day
[15:38] <willcooke> - updated bluez5 package to the current version in tha ppa
[15:38] <willcooke> - landed bluez5 transition in wily
[15:38] <willcooke> - some bugs triage/reviews/testing for touch updates
[15:38] <willcooke> - some desktop srus validations
[15:38] <willcooke> oh, sorry qengho - I figured you were done since you've only been back a day
[15:39] <qengho> Well, eventful day. :)
[15:39] <willcooke> :) shall I pass topic back to you?
[15:39] <qengho> Nah. That's enough.
[15:40] <willcooke> thx
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:40] <willcooke> * Wrote up a blueprint for accessibility profile improvements: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-x-improved-a11y-profiles
[15:40] <willcooke> * Started to make notes on the profile manager library API, its scope, etc.
[15:40] <willcooke> * More upstream Speech DIspatcher work.
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:40] <willcooke> hey tkamppeter, sorry I missed you out last week
[15:40] <tkamppeter> - cups-browsed: Added several new features to get them in before Feature Freeze for Wily:
[15:40] <tkamppeter>   o Default printer handling based on CUPS notifications and cache files. This way we do not need to keep a cups-browsed-generated queue when the server goes away or on cups-browsed shutdown.
[15:40] <tkamppeter>   o Letting equally named CUPS queues of different remote servers form a local cluster, a so-called "implicit class". Printing to this cluster makes the jobs get equally distributed to all remote queues (load-balancing). This is the same behavior as CUPS used to have when it did its own CUPS broadcasting and browsing. Before, cups-browsed did only fail-over with equally-named remote queues.
[15:40] <tkamppeter>   o Added LDAP support as CUPS formally had.
[15:40] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:41] <qengho> "formerly" or "formally"?
[15:41] <tkamppeter> formerly.
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Not full week yet (I'm done now :))
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Done some experiments with Gtk css to improve Overlay Scrollbars
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Got a first working version of GNOME-style unity dash Scrollbars
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Prepared a list of branches to backport to trusty as SRU
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Tested landing-silo with next unity, found AP broken. Spent some time on debugging it
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Prepared an xpathselect gcc5-rebuild branch (silo'ed), that is enough to get AP back working in wily
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Fixed tons of AP tests and currently improving the stability of some unstable ones (and tests refactoring)
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Running them again (really, it takes ages! -_-)...
[15:42] <Trevinho> * Code reviews
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:43] <willcooke> - Released LightDM 1.15.3
[15:43] <willcooke> - Released simple-scan 3.17.90
[15:43] <willcooke> - Merges and general packaging updates
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic any other business
[15:43] <willcooke> I've started a thread on the bug squad mailing list describing what we might do for U7, Compiz etc bugs:
[15:43] <willcooke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2015-August/004953.html
[15:43] <willcooke> Have a look and add any comments you would like
[15:44] <willcooke> I'll wait until the end of the week for more feedback and then we can discuss the best route forward at the meeting next week
[15:45] <willcooke> Spoke to Community team about it at their weekly meeting last week as well, so we can get some support for organising some kind of virtual event around it
[15:45] <willcooke> There is some work going on with the Ubuntu font as well, but I will wait for Laney to be back at his desk before we try and resolve it once and for all
[15:46] <willcooke> Sounds like hotel issues are resolved for DebConf
[15:46] <willcooke> Any more for any more?
[15:47] <willcooke> wrapping the meeting in 1 min....
[15:47] <andyrock> nope
[15:48] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug 18 15:48:21 2015 UTC.
[15:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-08-18-15.30.moin.txt
[15:48] <willcooke> Thanks everyone, have fun at DebConf
[15:54] <bregma> Trevinho, I just re-ran the AP suite for silo 19 and get "only" 11 failures, none of which are related to the MPs in the silo so I'm OK with landing it, are you?
[15:54] <Trevinho> bregma: yes, but I was about to add some AP improvements...
[15:54] <bregma> Trevinho, OK
[15:55] <Trevinho> not sure whether to keep this for this landing or the next one, but I'm quite done, so I'd go with this one
[15:55] <bregma> Trevinho, also, I want to prepa and do an upstream Compiz release if there is no pressing bugfix to land for Compiz, because of the recent ABI change
[15:55] <Trevinho> bregma: can you share your list of failures? as I got a little more due to some corner cases we didn't handle
[15:55] <Trevinho> bregma: yeah, cool
[15:56] <bregma> ERROR: setUpClass (unity.tests.test_ibus.IBusTestsAnthy)
[15:56] <bregma> ERROR: setUpClass (unity.tests.test_ibus.IBusTestsAnthyIgnore)
[15:56] <bregma> ERROR: setUpClass (unity.tests.test_ibus.IBusTestsAnthyIgnore)
[15:56] <bregma> ERROR: setUpClass (unity.tests.test_ibus.IBusTestsHangul)
[15:56] <bregma> ERROR: setUpClass (unity.tests.test_ibus.IBusTestsPinyin)
[15:56] <bregma> ERROR: setUpClass (unity.tests.test_ibus.IBusTestsPinyinIgnore)
[15:56] <bregma> ERROR: setUpClass (unity.tests.test_ibus.IBusTestsPinyinIgnore)
[15:56] <bregma> FAIL: unity.tests.test_panel.PanelIndicatorEntryTests.test_menu_closes_on_new_focused_application(Single Monitor,Locally Integrated Menus)
[15:56] <bregma> FAIL: unity.tests.test_shopping_lens.ShoppingScopeTests.test_home_scope_has_shopping_results
[15:56] <bregma> FAIL: unity.tests.test_spread.SpreadTests.test_app_spread_saturate_launcher_icons_on_mouse_move
[15:56] <bregma> FAIL: unity.tests.test_spread.SpreadTests.test_app_spread_saturate_launcher_icons_on_mouse_over
[15:56] <bregma> as you can see, there is ibus trouble and that's really it
[15:57] <Trevinho> yeah... and the last two are false positives...  because for some reason, unity doesn't advertize that the spread is open... While it actually is
[15:58] <bregma> yeah, but not new
[15:58]  * seb128 points bregma to pastebin
[15:58] <bregma> oh, come on, it was 11 lines
[15:58] <bregma> you all want to see Unity errors, am I right?
[16:01] <hikiko> hahaha yes :)
[16:03] <seb128> bregma, yeah, we all want to see that list converge toward 0 ;-)
[16:05] <bregma> finwe, next time I'll paste zero errors into IRC and we'll all be happy
[16:06] <seb128> bregma, Trevinho, willcooke, I'm not subscribed to the bugsquad list but I would go with option a) but only for bugs in status "New" (it's a bit unclear to me reading the email if you suggested doing it for all open bugs older than a year or just the New ones)
[16:07] <bregma> a lot of the old ones could use the same treatment
[16:08] <seb128> could be
[16:08] <seb128> that's a bit tricky to do that on bugs triaged
[16:08] <seb128> some are understood issues with description of what needs to be done
[16:09] <seb128> and it's a waste and annoying reported if you get some script closing those
[16:09] <seb128> so I would go manually over the Triaged ones at least
[16:11] <willcooke> yeah, was planning to auto "close" only new to start with, and then we can get a better look at what's left and proceed from there.  It  might be that we can auto-close a load more once we know what's left.  Better still will be to get some folk to manually try and recreate what's left and then close the ones that can't be reproduced
[16:11] <willcooke> and keep chipping away at it like that until we're left with a nice clean list
[16:11] <seb128> yeah, there are a bit under 400 triaged ones
[16:12] <seb128> so manually looking over that list would be doable
[16:12] <willcooke> agreed
[16:12] <willcooke> I made a start
[16:12] <willcooke> I managed to close about 10 last week
[16:12] <willcooke> :)
[16:12] <seb128> at this rate you should be done in 5 years if no user report new bugs ;-)
[16:13] <willcooke> sweet!
[16:13] <willcooke> XD
[16:36] <Trevinho> seb128: is it a known issue that bluez has troubles in upgrading in an lxc container?
[16:37] <seb128> Trevinho, no, what sort of issue?
[16:37] <Trevinho> seb128: it doesn't upgrade here
[16:37] <seb128> it fails? what error?
[16:37] <Trevinho> seb128: one sec, i got a call...
[16:38] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm going to go in a bit, at debconf and the session I'm in is wrapping up now
[16:41] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, np...
[16:41] <Trevinho> seb128: my apt log is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12119200/
[16:42] <didrocks> as seb128 is in the apt session at debconf, I would say this is the perfect timing!
[16:43] <Trevinho> seb128: here's the systemd log http://paste.ubuntu.com/12119209/
[16:43] <Trevinho> didrocks: eheh :)
[16:43] <seb128> ago 18 18:40:19 wily-unity8-dev systemd[1]: Failed to reset devices.list on /lxc/wily-unity8-dev/user.slice: Permission denied
[16:44] <seb128> seems like an issue in your container?
[16:44] <Trevinho> mh
[16:44] <seb128> you get permission denied errors on mounts etc
[16:44] <seb128> ago 18 18:40:18 wily-unity8-dev systemd[1]: Failed to reset devices.list on /lxc/wily-unity8-dev/system.slice/run-user-1000.mount: Permission denied
[16:45] <Trevinho> ouch, what might be?
[16:46] <seb128> unsure