[05:38] <Kilos> morning all
[05:38] <Kilos> oh and inetpro 
[05:46] <pieter2627> morning all
[05:56] <Kilos> hi pieter2627 \
[06:06] <stickyboy> Oh, guten morgen, y'all.
[06:07] <Kilos> zehr gut
[06:08] <stickyboy> :P
[06:08] <stickyboy> I don't speak German. :(
[06:08] <Kilos> :D
[06:08] <Kilos> i forget spelling
[06:08] <stickyboy> Kilos: Do you prefer white or red wine?
[06:09] <Kilos> i donk drink anymore stickyboy stopped maybe 30 years ago
[06:09] <Kilos> i enjoyed old brown sherry back then
[06:10] <Kilos> especially in winter
[06:10] <Kilos> or a sweet hanepoot
[06:10] <Kilos> i was a bacardi drinker
[06:11] <stickyboy> Ah.
[06:11] <stickyboy> Did they have Bacardi 30 years ago?
[06:11] <Kilos> no then it was redheart days
[06:11] <Kilos> and old nick and the captain
[06:12] <stickyboy> I didn't drink for 30 years. :)
[06:12] <stickyboy> (until I was 30)
[06:12] <Kilos> when i found bacardi i switched
[06:12] <stickyboy> Now I like dry red wine.
[06:12] <Kilos> red wine is supposed to be healthy if you dont overdo it
[06:13] <stickyboy> Yeah
[06:13] <stickyboy> I basically only drink red wine, coffee, and water.
[06:13] <stickyboy> :)
[06:13] <Kilos> hehe
[06:13] <Kilos> dry wine is hard to drink
[06:14] <Kilos> whew
[06:14] <Kilos> any dry wine is
[06:15] <stickyboy> We drink a lot of South African wine here in Kenya.
[06:15] <stickyboy> But it's expensive, and from wineries you'd never go to in SA. ;)
[06:15] <stickyboy> Instead of $5, it's $10.
[06:16] <Kilos> whew
[06:18] <stickyboy> Kilos: Have you, at any time in your adult life, yelled at youngsters to "get off your lawn"?
[06:18] <Kilos> lolol
[06:19] <Kilos> no i think lawn is made to play on, not just look good
[06:19] <stickyboy> ;)
[06:20] <Kilos> and it just keeps growing anywhy so why get upset over nothing
[06:20] <Kilos> anyway
[06:21] <Kilos> hi Padroni 
[06:21] <Padroni> Morning guys
[06:22] <Kilos> where you been man
[06:22] <Padroni> Had a thing at work that took all my attention for a couple of weeks
[06:22] <Kilos> whew
[06:22] <Padroni> also been having endless issues with Afrihost / Internet
[06:22] <Padroni> I'm ready to give up on the internet completely
[06:22] <Kilos> ai!
[06:22] <Padroni> move to Durka-durkastan and herd goats.
[06:23] <Kilos> hahahaha
[06:23] <Padroni> maybe buy a Noka 2110 when I sell my iPhone and Huawei P7
[06:23] <Padroni> I can get at least 4 goats for that iPhone
[06:23] <stickyboy> ...
[06:23] <Kilos> lol
[06:23] <Padroni> 4 goats = a herd
[06:23] <Padroni> small, but still
[06:24] <Kilos> thery breed fast
[06:24] <Padroni> I hope so
[06:24] <stickyboy> Padroni: Try Kyrgyzstan
[06:24] <stickyboy> Padroni: "The Switzerland of Central Asia"
[06:24] <Kilos> 1 ram and 3 ewes 
[06:24] <Padroni> As long as it is somewhere that is hard to pronounce, stickyboy 
[06:24] <Padroni> Kyrgyzstan sounds perfect.
[06:25] <thatgraemeguy> moo
[06:25] <stickyboy> Padroni: I know what you mean.
[06:25] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy 
[06:25] <Padroni> hi thatgraemeguy 
[06:26] <thatgraemeguy> greetings and salutations
[06:29] <Padroni> superfly you here?
[06:38] <Padroni> https://123net.co.za/en/front/forms/home/
[06:38] <Padroni> Sign up there to help get Fibre to your area.
[06:38] <Padroni> up to 5mb fibre line free, anything higher you pay for.
[06:49] <superfly> Padroni: hi!
[06:53] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[06:55] <stickyboy> Whaaaat.
[06:55] <stickyboy> Nothing in life is free.
[07:02] <Padroni> hey superfly 
[07:03] <Padroni> waiting for your mail, dude
[07:06] <stickyboy> Anyone read HackerNews?
[07:07] <stickyboy> https://news.ycombinator.com/
[07:15] <Padroni> I do
[07:15] <Padroni> why?
[07:20] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac 
[07:21] <TinuvaMac> top of the morning to you too Kilos
[07:21] <Kilos> ty sir you too
[07:23] <Padroni> hi TinuvaMac 
[07:23] <stickyboy> Padroni: It's just good to see when security issues get dropped. ;)
[07:30] <stickyboy> I like when people post things about typography (fonts, layout, etc).
[07:33] <thatgraemeguy> start saving up: http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/article/11732/sixteen-terabytes-samsung-release-16tb-ssd-next-year
[07:36] <Kilos> nice hey?
[07:38] <thatgraemeguy> yeah, and pretty historic, that'll be the first time an SSD is bigger than the biggest conventional HDD
[07:39] <MaNI> great, I'll sell a few of my private jets to buy one
[07:40] <Kilos> wat se MaNI vanoddend
[07:40] <Kilos> vanoggend
[07:41] <Kilos> must be going blinder
[07:44] <stickyboy> SSD hehe
[07:44] <MaNI> now much :p
[07:44] <stickyboy> Kilos: What is your opinion on Socialism?
[07:45] <Kilos> haha
[07:45] <Kilos> i dont have opinions about that i dont think
[07:45] <Kilos> all mans funny things are the same
[07:46] <Kilos> different names but same power hungry peeps up top
[07:47] <Kilos> the world is a beautiful place, only peeps mess it up
[07:47] <stickyboy> Kilos: Sane opinion. :)
[08:02] <inetpro> good morings
[08:02] <Kilos> hi there inetpro 
[08:02] <Padroni> Hi inetpro 
[08:02] <Padroni> Our company's first linux-based computer went live today
[08:02] <Padroni> running Mint
[08:02] <inetpro> oh heh Padroni
[08:02] <inetpro> long time no see
[08:02] <Padroni> which in itself may not sound like a big deal
[08:03] <Padroni> but my boss is a Apple-fanboy so this was a hard sell.
[08:03] <Padroni> he gave in and now we switching from Mac to Ubuntu / Mint
[08:03] <Padroni> hey man how are you?
[08:03] <Kilos> Padroni  thats great news man
[08:03] <inetpro> good, good
[08:03] <Padroni> I switched to Ubuntu long ago already.
[08:04] <Padroni> Refused to work on the Mac so they took mine back.
[08:04] <inetpro> hmm... so it's the 2nd linux based computer really
[08:04] <Padroni> yeah but for me there's no comparison between OSX and Linux
[08:04] <inetpro> how big is the company?
[08:04] <Padroni> I'll take real linux any day
[08:05] <Padroni> in terms of personnel, not that big
[08:05] <Padroni> in terms of ego : we're a fortune 500
[08:05] <Padroni> at least the support department is.
[08:06] <inetpro> what is the goal in terms of how many desktops to switch over?
[08:06] <inetpro> in what period
[08:06] <Padroni> for some reason tech support people come with a god-complex
[08:06] <Padroni> there is no goal
[08:06] <Padroni> we are just not buying any more Mac's
[08:06] <inetpro> ai! :-)
[08:06] <Padroni> so as they break, they are replaced by Linux machines
[08:06] <Padroni> and trust me, they break
[08:06] <Kilos> good
[08:06] <inetpro> cool
[08:06] <Padroni> Mac = R18k
[08:07] <Padroni> We can build 2 pc's with the same spec for that price
[08:07] <Padroni> and run linux on them
[08:07] <Padroni> same thing
[08:07] <Padroni> better OS
[08:07] <inetpro> way to go!
[08:07] <MaNI> I will never understand what people like about apple computers
[08:08] <stickyboy> MaNI: Have you ever used one?
[08:08] <MaNI> windows I can get to a point
[08:08] <Padroni> so my manager asked me a couple of weeks ago 'Which linux do you think we should use on the new machines?'
[08:08] <MaNI> stickyboy, yes. I have to develop for them quite often
[08:08] <stickyboy> Ok. :)
[08:08] <MaNI> also the worst OS to develop for
[08:08] <MaNI> can't stand it
[08:08] <Padroni> "I don't care, as long as it is either Ubuntu or Linux Mint.'
[08:08] <Padroni> they went with Mint
[08:08] <stickyboy> Well the font rendering is amazing on Mac OS X, not to mention the hi-DPI screen.
[08:09] <Padroni> yeah look Mac is pretty and you get what you pay for
[08:09] <Padroni> but I am just not a fan of it anymore.
[08:09] <Padroni> Used to be quite into it as well.
[08:09] <Padroni> Windows -> Mac -> Ubuntu
[08:09] <Padroni> that was my evolution tree in pc's.
[08:10] <stickyboy> Padroni: I basically use my Mac as a Linux console.
[08:10] <stickyboy> To be fair, I install GNU coreutils, GNU find utils, tmux, irssi, zsh, etc.
[08:10] <Padroni> mine was to impress people when they come into my office.
[08:10] <stickyboy> And SSH to my Linux servers.
[08:10] <inetpro> did you guys see the IBM / Canonical announcement?
[08:10] <Padroni> I dusted it off once a week but never put it on
[08:11] <inetpro> who would have imagined mainframes running on Ubuntu?
[08:11] <Padroni> I saw that
[08:11] <stickyboy> inetpro: hehehe
[08:11] <Padroni> inevitable, I guess?
[08:16] <stickyboy> Linux ftw
[08:17] <Padroni> Just got  my Edgars statement.
[08:17] <Padroni> My balance outstanding is R0.57-
[08:17] <Padroni> So
[08:17] <Padroni> I am invoicing them for R0.57 today.
[08:17] <Padroni> Which they won't pay
[08:17] <Padroni> and after 55 days I am having them blacklisted.
[08:18] <Padroni> Because Jihad works both ways.
[08:18] <stickyboy> Damn 'them'.
[08:19] <Padroni> Afrihost has this thing
[08:19] <Padroni> where you can ping yourusername@afrihost.co.za to get your external IP
[08:19] <Padroni> anyone know of another ISP that has the same setup / function ?
[08:21] <stickyboy> Padroni: Wow that's cool haha.
[08:27] <Padroni> If you can, watch the trailer to the new Leon Schuster movie.
[08:27] <Padroni> That lady at the end smacks the black out of Leon
[08:28] <MaNI> Charge them 20% interest on that R0.57
[08:28] <MaNI> and R50 a month admin fee
[08:28] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:28] <inetpro> nice way to make money
[08:29] <inetpro> clearly we're in the wrong business
[08:30] <Padroni> https://youtu.be/i59__qZDR4k
[08:35] <Padroni> We are all IT people on here
[08:35] <Padroni> in some form or another.
[08:35] <Padroni> If we pool our resources, we can start quite the formidable IT company
[08:41]  * inetpro loves how developers keep coming up with interesting application names
[08:41] <inetpro> see: aptitude show pollinate
[08:42] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:43] <inetpro> very creative
[08:46] <Kilos> hi pieter2627 
[09:27] <magespawn> good morning
[09:28] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[09:29] <magespawn> hey, did you come right with that laptop
[09:29] <magespawn> ?
[09:29] <Kilos> na gave up, will plug a modem into it when i have the energy
[09:30] <Kilos> haha he is a dawd not a dude
[09:30] <magespawn> cool beans, if you need some help let me know
[09:30] <Kilos> ty magespawn 
[12:47] <linda> Hi Kilos 
[12:47] <Kilos> hi linda
[12:48] <linda> This is really Linda Hi 
[12:48] <Kilos> or jan posing as linda?
[12:48] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:48] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[13:01] <linda> hi Kilos 
[13:01] <linda> that was linda for real, I'm with her now
[13:01] <Kilos-> i know man
[13:02] <Kilos-> thats why i said welcome
[13:02] <linda> why dont you give her a hug?
[13:02] <Kilos-> you know you are welcome
[13:02] <Kilos-> ((((hug)))))
[13:02] <linda> thks
[13:03] <linda> you make my day!
[13:03] <Kilos-> good
[13:04] <linda> Kilos-,  I have activated linda 's email, will contact inetpro  tonite to load messages
[13:04] <Kilos-> well done
[13:05] <Kilos-> anyway now that lappy is safer
[13:05] <Kilos-> oh
[13:05] <linda> The idiots at vodacom registered her email on her cell no instead of her email addes, made me battle
[13:05] <Kilos-> sudo aptitude install gufw
[13:06] <Kilos-> thats a graphic firewall
[13:07] <Kilos-> then you turn it on and allow all outgoing and deny incoming
[13:07] <Kilos-> should be set like that by default
[13:08] <linda> command not found
[13:08] <linda> Kilos-,  something else pse 
[13:08] <Kilos-> yes?
[13:09] <linda> a cd keeps coming up with some windows exe files on it, but theres no cd in tthe drive. how do I delete it? Files wont delete
[13:09] <Kilos-> oh my
[13:10] <linda> not serious, just irritating
[13:11] <Kilos-> isnt that the cd thing in the modem
[13:12] <linda> no
[13:12] <linda>  no modem, only a dongle
[13:12] <Kilos-> one of the youngsters will know
[13:12] <Kilos-> 3g dongle?
[13:13] <linda> dunno if its 3g, vodacom internet
[13:14] <Kilos-> thats a usb modem
[13:14] <linda> hspa
[13:14] <linda> correct
[13:14] <Kilos-> and they have cd stuff in them
[13:14] <linda> no space for cd
[13:15] <linda> no this started when I inserted cd's to boot from
[13:15] <linda> it shows af if theres a cd in the drive, in the luncher
[13:15] <linda> launcher
[13:16] <Kilos-> oh
[13:16] <Kilos-> right click
[13:16] <Kilos-> remove
[14:34] <stickyboy> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/government/135336-internet-censorship-bill-for-south-africa-has-been-approved.html
[14:34] <stickyboy> "Internet censorship bill for South Africa has been approved by cabinet"
[14:34]  * stickyboy facepalms
[16:19] <magespawn> good evening
[17:11] <Langjan> Hi all
[17:23] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[17:24] <Langjan> Hi Kilos 
[17:24] <Langjan> Als wel?
[17:24] <Kilos> did you fix it
[17:24] <Kilos> i removed all the office stuff that way
[17:25] <Langjan> which way?
[17:25] <Langjan> thought you were referring to Lindas email issue
[17:25] <Kilos> right click on the launcher and choose removce
[17:25] <Kilos> ai!
[17:26] <Kilos> you see all the office stuff in launcher
[17:26] <Langjan> It only gives unlock, then comes back but thats not an issue, first priority os to sort her emails
[17:26] <Kilos> what you dont use rtight click it and remove from launcher
[17:27] <Kilos> mails i cant help with sorry
[17:27] <Langjan> has inetpro  clocked in?
[17:27] <Kilos> not yet
[17:28] <Kilos> he first has family time
[17:28] <Langjan> Will he be in - do you know? Then I can fetch the lappie meanwhile
[17:28] <Langjan> OK thats very good and important
[17:28] <Kilos> he should
[17:29] <magespawn> he is always here at some point
[17:31] <Squirm> 'lo
[17:34] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[17:34] <magespawn> looks like the big guns are getting it on with linux http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/08/ibm-linuxone-mainframe-ubuntu-partnership
[17:34] <Kilos> just read about the prob in the list Langjan not same thing im thinking of doing
[17:34] <Kilos> sorry
[17:49] <magespawn> brbr
[18:00] <magespawn> back
[18:00] <Kilos> hi 
[18:05] <inetpro> guten abend
[18:05] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:05] <inetpro> Kilos: ehlo
[18:05] <Kilos> technology is gonna kill me
[18:06] <Langjan> hi inetpro did you have a good family time?
[18:06] <inetpro> did you see the parrot that got arrested over 'abusing' elderly lady in India?
[18:06] <Kilos> xperia now decided im japoanese
[18:06] <Kilos> ya hahah
[18:06] <Langjan> I saw that, lmga
[18:06] <inetpro> ai!
[18:06] <inetpro> hi oom Langjan
[18:07] <Langjan> all well inetpro ?
[18:07] <inetpro> oom Kilos don't let the technology get to you
[18:07] <Kilos> lol
[18:07] <inetpro> oom Langjan, all good thanks... just tired
[18:08] <Langjan> Did you see the technology detox clinic?
[18:08] <inetpro> I see I'm a wanted man again?
[18:08] <Langjan> Always, thats the penalty for being a pro
[18:08] <Kilos> yip
[18:09] <Kilos> when youre good you must expect to help more
[18:09] <Langjan> I have activated tbird and deactivated the mail download settings 
[18:09] <inetpro> ai!
[18:09] <Langjan> what does ai in this contex mean? Did I do wrong?
[18:10] <inetpro> Langjan: and did you attempt any of what I said?
[18:10] <Langjan> You just said I must start tbird and not download any mail, I did that
[18:11]  * inetpro is known to say ai for just about anything here
[18:11] <Langjan> in default
[18:11] <inetpro> 08/17 20:31:26 <inetpro> linda: ok, here's what I'm thinking
[18:11] <inetpro> 08/17 20:31:26 <inetpro> can you please start thunderbird with the default profile and set up her mail account from scratch
[18:11] <inetpro> 08/17 20:31:26 <inetpro> then once that is done we move the files in the Mail folder to the newly created profile
[18:11] <Langjan> ok connecting linda
[18:12] <inetpro> does it make saense what I said last night?
[18:12] <inetpro> sense as well
[18:12] <Langjan> by the way, she did have an address book 
[18:12] <Langjan> absolutely
[18:12] <Langjan> seanse and sense
[18:13] <Langjan> but I have not tried to move any files
[18:13] <inetpro> so let's look at what we have now compared to last night
[18:15] <Langjan> well, we have a working thunderbird
[18:15] <inetpro> find .thunderbird/ -ls | pastebinit -a Langjan
[18:15] <inetpro> last night we had this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12110448/
[18:15] <Langjan> ok just a sec
[18:16] <linda_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12119721/
[18:17] <inetpro> cool
[18:18] <inetpro> so we now have thunderbird/lboag1xl.default/Mail/pop3.vodamail.co.za
[18:18] <inetpro> which was not there last night
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos: does he know the word 'cool' yet?
[18:18] <Kilos> hahaha i dont know
[18:18] <inetpro> :-)
[18:19] <Kilos> he has young grandkids so must i suppose
[18:19] <Kilos> oh and an idiot box
[18:20] <Langjan> All I know is its cool when its hot
[18:20] <Kilos-> nee man toppie
[18:21] <Kilos-> cool is the modern word for good, fine, grand, exciting etc
[18:21] <Langjan> and hot
[18:21] <inetpro> so oom Langjan if you could now, while not having started Thunderbird, replace those files inside the new pop3.vodamail.co.za folder with the ones inside the old pop3.vodamail.co-4.za folder we should be in business
[18:22] <inetpro> in other words
[18:22] <inetpro> rm -rf .thunderbird/lboag1xl.default/Mail/pop3.vodamail.co.za/*
[18:22] <inetpro> and then
[18:23] <inetpro> cp -pr .thunderbird/linda/Mail/pop3.vodamail.co-4.za/* .thunderbird/lboag1xl.default/Mail/pop3.vodamail.co.za/
[18:24] <inetpro> and then start Thunderbird
[18:24] <inetpro> thunderbird -p
[18:25] <inetpro> select the default profile start it in offline mode just for testing first
[18:25] <Langjan> ok  - thunderbird is already in the launcher, must I quit it altogether?
[18:25] <inetpro> have you copied yet?
[18:25] <Langjan> before sterting  - no not yet
[18:26] <inetpro> well, you need to make sure that it is not running
[18:26] <Langjan> Its in the launcher (locked) but not running
[18:27] <Langjan> locked to launcher
[18:27] <inetpro> but hang on a sec
[18:27] <inetpro> I see that a file like Inbox.msf is not empty
[18:27] <inetpro> you sure you didn't download emails yet?
[18:28] <inetpro> to make sure that thunderbird is not running do a ps listing
[18:28] <inetpro> ps -ef | grep thunderbird
[18:28] <Langjan> Not that I am aware of I just sent an email to myself to test if its working
[18:28] <inetpro> and did it work?
[18:29] <linda_> linda     2354  2331  0 20:29 pts/0    00:00:00 grep --color=auto thunderbird
[18:29] <Langjan> yes
[18:29] <inetpro> ok, seems if that is the only line then there's no other running thinderbird process
[18:30] <Langjan> yes that was all
[18:30] <inetpro> question is, whether you are happy to clear the pop3.vodamail.co.za folder
[18:30] <inetpro> ?
[18:31] <Langjan> What does that imply?
[18:31] <inetpro> just means it will remove what you created when setting up the mailbox
[18:32] <inetpro> if there's nothing in it it should recreate new files
[18:32] <Langjan> So I will just have to set it up again?
[18:32] <inetpro> worst case yes
[18:32] <inetpro> but we want to put back the old stuff
[18:32] <inetpro> teh configs are not in the Mail folder
[18:32] <inetpro> the*
[18:32] <Langjan> should not be a problem 
[18:33] <inetpro> it's just mail
[18:33] <Kilos-> lol
[18:34] <inetpro> not femail
[18:34] <Kilos-> lolol
[18:34] <Langjan> Lmga, I dont think there can be anything of importance in there 
[18:35] <inetpro> any other questions? :-)
[18:35] <inetpro> should be clear as mud
[18:35] <Langjan> Yes, what to do now...
[18:35] <Langjan> ai
[18:35] <Langjan> now I'm doing it
[18:36] <inetpro> rm -rf .thunderbird/lboag1xl.default/Mail/pop3.vodamail.co.za/*
[18:36] <inetpro> cp -pr .thunderbird/linda/Mail/pop3.vodamail.co-4.za/* .thunderbird/lboag1xl.default/Mail/pop3.vodamail.co.za/
[18:36] <inetpro> those two commands will do it all for you
[18:37] <inetpro> first one is to remove everything inside the newly created pop3.vodamail.co.za folder
[18:37] <Langjan> now you have me exited - cool
[18:37] <Kilos-> lol
[18:37] <Langjan> axcited
[18:37] <inetpro> simple stuff if you think about it
[18:37] <Langjan> excited, cant even spell
[18:38] <inetpro> simple stuff if it works as well :-)
[18:38] <Langjan> like flying a Boeing blindfolded and untrained
[18:38] <inetpro> but I see no reason why it won't
[18:38] <Langjan> so now thunderbird -p?
[18:39] <inetpro> yep
[18:39] <Langjan> and default
[18:39] <Langjan> profile
[18:39] <inetpro> and offline
[18:39] <inetpro> and start
[18:39] <Langjan> offline?
[18:39] <Langjan> must I disconnect the Internet line?
[18:39] <inetpro> haha
[18:40] <inetpro> you are really worried?
[18:40] <inetpro> offline should be fine
[18:40] <Langjan> yes, no mistakes allowed
[18:40] <inetpro> it will ask before going online
[18:41] <Langjan> you mean the machine, not just thunderbird? 
[18:41] <inetpro> thunderbird has the option to start in offline mode 
[18:42] <Langjan> so I will see that when I run thunderbird -p?
[18:42] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:42]  * inetpro thought he has done it 
[18:42] <inetpro> already
[18:42] <Langjan> sorry, no
[18:42] <inetpro> just do it!
[18:43] <Langjan> ok
[18:43] <Kilos-> lol
[18:43] <Kilos-> haqhaha
[18:43] <Kilos-> this is fun
[18:44] <Langjan> you are a wizard!
[18:44] <inetpro> ai!
[18:44] <Kilos-> he is mrfixit
[18:44] <Langjan> Even the shit is there
[18:44]  * inetpro stands on the shoulders of all the other wizards
[18:44] <Kilos-> lolol
[18:44] <Langjan> scuse my lingo
[18:45] <Kilos-> see oom jan i told you he is the thunderbird master
[18:45] <inetpro> this is why I choose Thunderbird, it's easy to troubleshoot
[18:45] <inetpro> and it just works on all platforms
[18:46] <Langjan> there are two files that came along when I migrated het files from outlook to tbird that I cannot delete, they keep coming back
[18:46] <inetpro> here or there small challenges but if you understand how it works you can fix it yourself
[18:46] <Langjan> Frankly I did not believe it will happen, sorry!!!!
[18:48] <Kilos-> ai!
[18:48] <Kilos-> you dont know my pro
[18:48] <inetpro> Langjan: what files?
[18:48] <Langjan> now I do
[18:49] <Langjan> well looks like they can be deleted in Ubuntu, I have just done that. If they come back again I will worry you once more, they are folders  
[18:49] <Langjan> with funny long titles
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: oh come on! There's many things I don't know... in fact I still learn new thing every day
[18:50] <Kilos-> yes
[18:51] <Langjan> its only those that think they know everything that no not learn anything
[18:51] <Kilos-> but normally what you dont know you dont need anyway
[18:51] <inetpro> haha
[18:51] <inetpro> Langjan: now you need to clean up all the mess
[18:52] <Langjan> Hey inetpro  I must thank you very very much for your patience with me. Where are you located? 
[18:52] <inetpro> heh, you're welcome
[18:52] <Langjan> Where are you located?
[18:52] <inetpro> as in the city?
[18:52] <inetpro> Pretoria
[18:53] <Langjan> yes
[18:53] <Kilos-> near you Langjan 
[18:53] <inetpro> oom Kilos has a good idea where I stay
[18:53] <Langjan> ok, please let me have your contact number?
[18:53] <Langjan> Which suburb?
[18:53] <inetpro> ai!
[18:53] <Kilos-> lol
[18:53] <Kilos-> daar bo op die berg
[18:54] <Langjan> watter een?
[18:55] <inetpro> Langjan: what irc client are you using?
[18:55] <Langjan> xchat
[18:55] <inetpro> look for the private message with inetpro
[19:01] <Langjan> Kilos-,  that cd thing has not come back
[19:01] <Langjan> hope it stays away
[19:02] <Kilos-> how did you get rid of it
[19:02] <inetpro> oh oom Langjan, we still need to fix the addressbook as well
[19:04] <Langjan> can we?
[19:04] <Langjan> great!
[19:04] <Langjan> weet nie Kilos- 
[19:05] <Kilos-> lol
[19:06] <Langjan> inetpro,  I thought its lost and was going to build a new one from received mails 
[19:06] <inetpro> Langjan: if you look at the files you will see .thunderbird/linda/abook.mab and .thunderbird/lboag1xl.default/abook.mab
[19:06] <inetpro> now what bothers me is that those two files are the exact same size
[19:07] <inetpro> which basically tells me that there's no difference
[19:07] <Langjan> where in the files?
[19:07] <Langjan> you mean the backups?
[19:07] <inetpro> Langjan: if you look at the files you will see .thunderbird/linda/abook.mab and .thunderbird/lboag1xl.default/abook.mab
[19:08] <inetpro> remember, you can look at these files even with your file manager
[19:08] <Langjan> I see them
[19:09] <inetpro> just need to show hidden files
[19:10] <Langjan> I seee the abook.mab but not the other 
[19:10] <inetpro> kyk mooi
[19:11] <Langjan> I'm in thebackup folder now...?
[19:11] <Langjan> User
[19:11] <inetpro> one is dated Aug 16 22:55 and the other Aug 16 22:09 
[19:12] <Langjan> am I in the right place?
[19:12] <inetpro> if you find an old one in the backups with a different size that will be the best
[19:13] <inetpro> but what I was talking about is the two in the current .thunderbird profile folders
[19:13] <Langjan> the abook I see is 1,4kB
[19:13] <Langjan> in the backups
[19:14] <inetpro> once again after closing Thunderbird, you can copy an old abook file to the current default profile's folder and effectively just replace with a backup
[19:15] <inetpro> but as mentioned, it looks to me like they are exactly the same
[19:15] <inetpro> remember I am looking at what you gave me at http://paste.ubuntu.com/12119721/
[19:15] <Langjan> I dont see lboag1xl.default/abook.mab
[19:16] <Langjan> only abook.mab
[19:16] <inetpro> .thunderbird/lboag1xl.default/abook.mab
[19:16] <inetpro> vs
[19:16] <inetpro> .thunderbird/linda/abook.mab
[19:18] <inetpro> default profile folder: lboag1xl.default
[19:18] <inetpro> vs
[19:18] <inetpro> profile folder we created from backup: linda
[19:18] <Langjan> ok I see it
[19:18] <inetpro> and then there is the original backup in the Desktop folder
[19:19] <Kilos-> sjoe
[19:19] <Langjan> also 1,4 kB
[19:19] <inetpro> exactly
[19:20] <inetpro> so if you want to, you can try copying it but I assume there's nothing in it
[19:20] <Langjan> OK then I will just make a new one, no big deal there were only about 30 addresses
[19:21] <inetpro> mooi!
[19:21] <Langjan> the one in the original backup is 27,9kB
[19:21] <inetpro> take note of the file prefs.js
[19:21] <inetpro> remember, this was what messed us around
[19:22] <magespawn> good night all
[19:22] <Langjan> better if I just make a new one? 
[19:22] <Kilos-> night magespawn 
[19:22] <Kilos-> sleep tight
[19:22] <Langjan> 'night magespawn 
[19:22] <inetpro> either on Windows they decided not to use it any more or it just got messed up after you backed it up
[19:23] <Langjan> I thought I had backed up an ldif file but when I tried to use it, it was empty
[19:23] <inetpro> prefs.js is basically where all important settings are saved
[19:24] <inetpro> not something you want to edit by hand unless you know what you do
[19:24] <Langjan> so better leae well enough alone and create a new address book 
[19:24] <Langjan> leave
[19:25] <inetpro> that sounds like a good idea
[19:25] <Langjan> die ou man het gaan slaap
[19:25] <Langjan> ok will do, baie dankie nogmaals
[19:25] <inetpro> hmm... Kilos- is seker nou op sy laptop in die bed?
[19:25] <inetpro> oom Langjan you are most welcome
[19:26] <Langjan> Ok inetpro  I will leave you now, am sure you have more important things to do. 
[19:26] <inetpro> I'm very happy to see you helping others again
[19:27] <Langjan> My privilege, Linda will only be 88 in October 
[19:27] <Langjan> a grand lady
[19:28] <inetpro> nice!
[19:28] <Langjan> Lekker aand en slaap lekker
[19:28] <inetpro> dankie en dieselfde daar oom
[19:28] <Langjan> dankie inetpro 
[19:28] <Langjan> moooi loop
[19:29] <inetpro> skuus dat ek nie in die dag kan help nie
[19:29]  * inetpro very glad to see another happy user
[19:30] <Kilos-> well done inetpro 
[19:30] <inetpro> oom Kilos-, all your fault
[19:31] <Kilos-> ?
[19:31] <Kilos-> how do you figure that
[19:31] <inetpro> was you who introduced the man to this channel
[19:31] <inetpro> and maybe even to Ubuntu :-)
[19:31] <Kilos> sigh
[19:31] <linda_> great 
[19:32] <Kilos> hi linda
[19:32] <linda_> no,  I stumbled upon Ubuntu by mistake
[19:32] <Kilos> is it you 
[19:32] <Kilos> oh 
[19:32] <Kilos> haha
[19:32] <inetpro> haha, she been listening in here all this time? :-)
[19:32] <linda_> ja man die ou tannie slaap
[19:32] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:32] <linda_> lmga
[19:32] <Kilos> skelm ou man
[19:33] <Kilos> die pro slim ne
[19:33] <linda_> jy moet lig loop met die ou manne
[19:33] <linda_> baie
[19:33] <Kilos> ek bly julle het gewen
[19:34] <linda_> ok guys I have some adress book work to do, go well and thks for your share alsdo Kilos 
[19:34] <inetpro> now if only we could see more people stumble upon Ubuntu like this by mistake
[19:34] <Kilos> as julle nou net wou kde gebruik dan was dit makliker vir hom ook
[19:34] <linda_> leker aand en leker slaap julle wee
[19:35] <inetpro> we could solve all the problems in this world of ours
[19:35] <linda_> twee
[19:35] <Kilos> when we hit 50 i retire
[19:35] <Kilos> lekker slaap ooom
[19:35] <linda_> I retired at 50
[19:35] <linda_> on my 50th birthday
[19:35] <Kilos> wow
[19:35] <inetpro> sjoe
[19:36] <Kilos> i was still looking after someones cow
[19:36] <Kilos> cows
[19:36] <linda_> lekker slaap jule ook, ek gaan nou adresse soek 
[19:36] <Kilos> mooi
[19:36] <Kilos> im gonna crash too guys
[19:36] <inetpro> good night oom Kilos
[19:43] <Kilos> nag boetie en dankie vir die hulp
[19:44] <linda_> inetpro, is there any way to see Lindas email password in the backups?
[19:44] <inetpro> hmm... that might be a bit of a tough one
[19:44] <linda_> without messing anything up...
[19:45] <linda_> well I suppose Vodacom must be able to provide the settings
[19:45] <linda_> will get onto them
[19:45] <linda_> er mail is sending but to receive it wants a password
[19:45] <inetpro> see How can I restore passwords from a computer backup? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/958936
[19:46] <linda_> her
[19:46] <inetpro> I think Thunderbird uses the same thing
[19:46] <linda_> thks
[19:46] <inetpro> or in principle the same thing
[19:48] <linda_> Perhaps the easy way is to go to ther isp
[19:48] <inetpro> yep, I would guess so as well
[19:48] <linda_> ok thks go well
[20:08] <superfly> inetpro: the nikola devs are AMAZING :-) I've been asking them a couple of questions in their IRC channel, and they are super-helpful and friendly
[20:11] <kulelu88> superfly: my ipython notebook is successfully running :P
[20:15] <superfly> kulelu88: excellent!
[20:15] <superfly> good job
[20:17] <kulelu88> superfly: what do you think of my possible open source project of trying to standardize docker containers?
[20:20] <superfly> sounds like a good idea, but gaining traction will be a problem
[20:21] <kulelu88> I think it will grow organically on its own, cause I will also attempt to abstract away some of the difficulties as well, like the issue of even writing your own dockerfiles
[20:22] <superfly> have you googled to see if you can find anything else out there?
[20:22] <kulelu88> good idea to check. let me do that
[20:25] <kulelu88> doesn't seem like there's anything