=== fabo_ is now known as fabo [06:25] Good morning. [09:37] Riddell: did you fix konsole yet? [09:37] and purpose [09:43] Riddell: did you get a chance to review libkgapi? [09:58] Riddell: please fix rocs === greyback_ is now known as greyback|shops [10:22] * Riddell makes it sew [10:24] Riddell: have you time today to teach me about automation [10:24] clivejo: yeah should do [10:24] although I realise it needs push power to git so I guess that last step needs to be done by me [10:24] clivejo: did you get an alioth account? [10:26] no, apparently Ill need a sponsor [10:26] clivejo: well I'm happy to do that, what do I need to do? [10:26] Ive no idea [10:26] clivejo: how far did you get? [10:27] I need to have a sustained input into debian [10:30] um, you do via us [10:30] clivejo: so do I need to fill in a form or e-mail someone or ping someone on irc? [10:31] I cant find a form anywhere [10:32] hmm I'll put it on my todo list to look into [10:33] Existing Debian Developers acting as sponsors can integrate your work into the project. It is generally best to try and find a developer who is working in the same area as you and has an interest in what you have done. === greyback|shops is now known as greyback [10:33] then maybe it needs to be someone like ScottK [10:33] hmm wait is that for an alioth account? [10:33] After you have contributed for some time and are sure about your involvement in the Debian project, you can join Debian in a more official role. [10:34] well I assume I need to be a Debian Maintainer (DM) [10:34] shouldn't do [10:34] just a guest account on alioth [10:35] I dunno, can make head nor tail of the instructions [10:35] just fill in this form? https://alioth.debian.org/account/register.php [10:40] ah got it [10:40] clivejo-guest [10:43] clivejo: yay, now I think we just need to ping someone on #debian-qt-kde channel on irc.debian.net please join that [10:43] https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-kde/ [10:43] there is a join link [10:49] clivejo: ok try that [10:49] They want to know why [10:49] clivejo: to work on kubuntu packaging branches [10:50] I have a feeling "Cause I want to" wont cut it [10:50] "how dare you question me! don't you know who I am?!" [10:51] * bshah gives last line to phoronix editor.. :p [10:51] they dont! [10:52] I'm a nobody! [10:52] the standard response is "there's somebody here who doesn't know who he is" [10:52] my request has been submitted [10:54] and we wait :) [10:55] sitter: I pushed some fixes to libkgpi, 5.0.0 is out, shall I upload to wily? [10:57] Riddell: I see no fixes [10:59] sitter: hmm git confusing me, I pushed something [11:00] Riddell: copyright change looks wrong [11:00] otherwise LGTM [11:00] sitter: fixed [11:00] sitter: shall I upload to wily? [11:00] yeah [11:01] was planning on doing that once you said you reviewed it :P [11:01] uploaded! [11:01] ++ [11:02] Riddell: would you have a look at/review plasma-widget-awesome-widgets in my PPA [11:02] looking for feedback [11:02] clivejo: now there's a widget that can say "don't you know who I am" [11:03] * Riddell requests clivejo's alioth name gets renamed to clivejo-awesome [11:03] LOL [11:03] how are you still a guest? [11:04] dont they know who you are?!? [11:04] sitter: how come there's a kubuntu_unstable_utopic branch in konsole? are there backport for utopic? [11:05] clivejo: I'm a nobody in debian, I didn't even wear a debian kilt in this photo https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1380/591734159_0181177ddc_b.jpg [11:05] Riddell: when a repo cannot be CI'd using the generic branch a series branch is created which holds additional changes to make the CI fly on this particular series [11:06] for konsole in utopic that was redirection magic to prevent breaking the konsole4 kpart without having to do a dependency transition in the CI ppa [11:06] is that you on the left,second one in? [11:08] clivejo: everyone who isn't a Debian Developer is -guest. [11:08] clivejo: well spotted :) [11:14] sitter: fixes pushed for purpose, konsole, rocs [11:15] clivejo: want to look at the applications upload? [11:15] * sitter is still not sure whether to CI libkolab [11:15] was just about to pop out for lunch [11:15] let's lunch then [11:16] but the stink is mighty! === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [11:31] Riddell: I am not sure letting bugs sit untriaged for eons and then closing them telling people to sod off to another bug tracker is sending the right message :S [11:38] we should find a maintainer then I guess [11:39] ah yeah [11:39] Riddell: you mean like the 600 odd packages that get bug reports but never any reply? [11:39] I always do wonder why no one maintains these kubuntu packages [11:59] Riddell: ping me when you have 3 min for priv talk [11:59] Riddell: Im free when you are [12:00] hehe, looks like hes most wanted atm -.- [12:01] I wanted him first :P [12:01] soee: hmm? [12:03] clivejo: ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-159-220-46.compute-1.amazonaws.com: [12:11] Hiyas all [12:12] Riddell: Im there [12:14] clivejo: groovy, checkout kubuntu-automation scripts [12:15] where should I work from? [12:15] didnt you say something about working in /mnt? [12:15] clivejo: lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation [12:16] bzr [12:16] yes I just cd'ed into mnt [12:17] clivejo: what's in README? [12:17] clivejo: these scripts are not a shining example of software engineering, they're messy and flakey I'm afraid [12:18] ok I clicked the pause on kci [12:18] clivejo: so I think what's needed is to run that staging-upload line [12:18] as adapted for applications 15.08.0 [12:19] oh we probably need gbp installed [12:19] is this EC already configured? [12:19] and export PATH=`pwd`:$PATH [12:19] clivejo: not really [12:24] yeah dolpin is fianlly using frameworks and qt5 and fianlly uses the colours I assigned for kde apps in system settings [12:24] :D [12:24] yay rather [12:24] Riddell: 5.3.95 ? [12:24] nope... [12:24] BluesKaj: and what do you think about Plasma 5.4 ? [12:24] errfinally even :-) [12:25] clivejo: applications 15.08.0 http://download.kde.org/stable/applications/15.08.0/src/ [12:26] Im confused [12:26] clivejo: we're not packaging plasma [12:27] soee: so far so good, altho X crashed a few mins ago I recovered from the VT [12:27] clivejo: we're packaging Applications [12:28] ah thats better [12:32] whats this about pausing jenkins? [12:32] clivejo: the script will add a new changelog entry to all the items which will tricker them in the continuous integration system, so I've paused it as there's no need to rebuild it all there [12:34] soee: altho system settings is still using frameworks and qt4, since it's look and colours havent changed from the 4 defaults [12:34] clivejo: so go with the staging- script [12:34] did I break it by trying frameworks? [12:35] hows that? [12:36] BluesKaj: well i can't confirm this as i doubt i have fill 5.4 because of dependency problems i Wily [12:36] *full [12:37] yeah it looks partial to me [12:37] Riddell: will you check that command before I run it? [12:38] BluesKaj: but hey, i think today final 5.4 tars should be released :) [12:38] -t ~/src/applications? [12:38] so maybe next week wi will land in Wily [12:38] clivejo: make sure the -t directory exists, change to mnt/ I guess [12:39] 5.4 tars are being made on my laptop now [12:40] soee: ok good, looking forward to it [12:40] soee: Do you have some staging/beta ppa enabled? [12:40] lordievader: nope [12:40] soee: Did you at any point? [12:40] i do not use such here @ work [12:41] lordievader: i doubt since i reinstalled whole system some time ago -> Vivid and last week moved to Wily [12:41] soee: You are running Wily in production? [12:41] install python-future [12:43] going well :/ [12:43] lordievader: sure! [12:43] soee: Ugh, why do people do this? [12:44] lordievader: don't get me wrong but it so boring when all works just fine .. :( [12:44] i found it the easies way to learn new stuff - when something breaks :) [12:45] My philosophy is quite simple, for work you need dependable tools. At home you might have a machine that you don't need everyday, install development os'es on there. [12:45] soee: Anyhow, could you join #kubuntu or #ubuntu+1, perhaps I can help you with your dependency problem. [12:49] lordievader: i'm on them [12:50] Riddell: who puts the source on depot? [12:50] clivejo: the release dude which for Applications is usually tsdgeos or someone who volunteers to help [12:50] clivejo: for Plasma it's me, and I'm running the scripts to make those tars not for 5.4 [12:51] http://download.kde.org/stable/applications/15.08.0/src/ [12:51] for frameworks it's david faure [12:51] why is it failing? [12:51] is depot different? [12:52] clivejo: version number is wrong in that command [12:52] should be 15.08.0 [12:52] duh [12:53] hmnm [12:54] hold on speedy [12:54] what did you do there [12:55] clivejo: I just set up ssh to use the right username [12:55] clivejo: try the script again now [12:56] so I have to download it all to my local PC? [12:56] stage it there [12:56] did I mention my internet sucks!? [12:57] debuild is failing [12:57] exit code 29 [12:57] oh its the signing [12:58] this should work on my own local account [13:01] clivejo: you don't have to download it all with a handy ec2 [13:01] ah I see a problem [13:02] but doesnt this cost you money [13:03] wont it need my key? [13:03] clivejo: yes although I'll claim it off kubuntu or ubuntu funds when I get round to it [13:03] clivejo: it'll fail to sign it and then either you or me can do a mass signing at the end [13:04] can this not be automated further [13:04] like on a separte machine? [13:05] clivejo: hope so! [13:05] Riddell: would a free tier AWS not save you the money? [13:05] clivejo: I don't think I get free ones as my account is over a year old [13:05] more acccounts [13:06] need more credit cards, how many bank accounts do you think I have? [13:06] loads! [13:07] we could have an array of fre servers on your credit cards! [13:07] put LP to shame! [13:09] Riddell: move to the US, I am under the impression people there have more than one credit card [13:10] Many people here are up to their eyeballs in creditcard debt. [13:11] Riddell: ^ [13:11] get yourself some debt going :P [13:11] it's a foolproof plan, you could base a country's economy on it [13:12] Haha, MURICA! [13:14] badumtss [13:15] you locked me out of my own CI :'< [13:16] huh? [13:17] it wasn't done reintegrating the epoch change I think [13:17] anywho [13:17] Riddell: I think you broke okteta with some merge, I am not sure I mentioned that yet [13:18] that sounds not unlike okteta, I'll take a look sitter [13:33] Riddell: so this method just processes a source tree and ignores the watch files? [13:34] I forget, you'd need to read the script [13:34] bedtime reading me thinks [13:44] Riddell: how long does this staging process usually take? [13:46] clivejo: dunno I've only done it once before for Applications [13:46] there's a lot of them [13:46] that script could do with being threaded [13:49] Did Dolphin on Wily just get upgraded? I can invoke it by krunner, but not by the Application Launcher. I will be trying a fresh install on the Beta candidate, so maybe this is not a user bug. [13:50] the launcher .desktop has changed path [13:50] same with kdepim [13:51] remove them from your favourites and search for it in applications [13:51] regarding the script: remember that it's not fully automatic. It tries to generate everything, but if the source package doesn't build (patch failure, ...) it'll put stuff in manual/ and you'll have to fix it [13:54] clivejo: and the package list is read from static files in the automation repository [13:54] there is a script in there to list stuff from depot if you need to refresh the list [13:58] yofel: did you run that script to update all the watch files? [13:58] no [13:59] maybe I'll have time to look at that over the weekend [13:59] clivejo: Thank you. That worked. So it sounds as if that would not happen on a fresh install. [13:59] mparillo: it does [13:59] Im not sure where the favourite links are configured [14:00] but with porting to KF5 some of the *.desktop files are moving [14:01] the default favourite links must be hard coded somewhere [14:02] Riddell: would you know where the default favourite links in Kicker are ? [14:02] clivejo: kicker or kickoff? [14:02] kickoff has them hard coded last I looked [14:02] the kmenu? [14:02] the default menu is kickoff [14:03] sorry kickoff then [14:04] does it need to be reported as a bug? [14:04] clivejo: what's missing? [14:04] seems to be just dolphin and kdepim affected at the moment [14:05] Riddell: the desktop file stuff I told d_ed about but didn't file a bug because lazy [14:05] clivejo: ah right, yes that should be a bug please [14:05] give me the number and I'll add it to errata [14:06] actually the problem is of slighly bigger scope anway. with pretty much all desktop file names changing to appstream format favorites will keep on breaking [14:06] do Kubuntu not customise the default favourite aps? [14:07] no [14:07] or maybe, can't remember if that was ported [14:07] someone mentioned applying a script [14:07] at any rate the problem is not just defaults [14:07] it is all of them [14:07] they are identified in kickoffrc by their file name [14:07] as they change the file name the link breaks [14:08] maybe we are talking about different bug? [14:08] and all of them are in the process of changing their file name at least when getting ported to kf5 (and that is just considering kde ones, third party ones also need to change to appstream eventually) [14:08] so as they change name kickoffrc doesnt' find them anymore and BAM broken fav [14:09] oh, you keep in the case of an upgraded system? [14:09] clivejo: nope, it's the same bug on paper it's just that defaults are also broken which doesn't help the case :P [14:09] you mean? [14:09] clivejo: yep [14:09] I see :) [14:09] maybe they should be considered separate [14:09] I guess they are [14:09] and yet they are related [14:09] so [14:09] bug 1: present defaults reference old names for things (such as kdepim apps) [14:09] bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [14:09] ubottu: :@ [14:10] so far dolphin and kdepim are the only ones broken for me [14:10] bug numba two: kickoffrc cannot track desktop files when they change names thus breaking favs on upgrades [14:10] tested in a clean wily install and its the same there too [14:10] yes [14:11] sitter: is there any way to make the kickoff menu bigger? [14:11] and in an upgrade scenario you are running applications 14.12... you would have your dolphin and kdepim by deafult and additionally you added dragon player to favs. you now upgrade to applications 15.08 and all three of those changed name, now all three have broken links [14:12] clivejo: not implemented yet I think [14:13] grrrr Kontact keeps crashing! [14:13] and I wanted to know what sitter is doing in randa [14:14] I do not know yet. everything and nothing... as always in randa [14:14] phonon5 is a thing that shoudl happen I have been told [14:14] plasma in the mountians [14:15] also I really need to exchange CI experiences with sgclark [14:15] also probably mobile stuff depending on where the sprinting goes [14:38] Riddell: staging finished [14:38] 13 moved to manual [14:39] what is git unclean mean? [14:41] what ya doin speedy? [14:41] I forget what git unclean means, you'd need to read the script to work it out, fixes welcome :) [14:42] clivejo: want to sign them and upload them? [14:42] from your local computer [14:42] scp ec2-54-159-220-46.compute-1.amazonaws.com:mnt/kubuntu-automation/package-name-lists/applications-wily . [14:42] then for asdf in `cat applications-wily`; do echo ${asdf}; debsign -r mnt/src/applications/upload/${asdf}_15.08.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1_source.changes; done [14:42] it was complaining about versions [14:42] I think, I haven't tested that [14:42] epoch maybe? [14:43] gosh I hope not, I did add all the no epoch packages to the list [14:44] marble was one in the list [14:44] is there a rush on these? [14:44] ie could I repeat this myself locall? [14:44] bother it has added the epoch [14:45] you could but why would you want to? [14:45] practice! [14:46] clivejo: oh you can practice on these plasma tars I'm about to upload [14:46] can you sign them? === palasso_ is now known as palasso [14:47] IIRC git unclean means that the VCS is behind the archive [14:48] e.g. git HEAD says 4:5.9-0ubuntu3, the archive has 4:5.9-0ubuntu5 [15:10] yofel: how do I fix them? [15:17] clivejo: all packages signed, you can now upload to the staging ppa [15:17] clivejo: keep it as unreleased in changelog in git [15:17] until we want to upload to ubuntu archive [15:18] like that? [15:18] clivejo: lovely [15:18] clivejo: oh no [15:19] clivejo: ubuntu1 [15:21] so I need to do a debcommit? [15:21] then git-build? [15:28] Riddell: do you want to sign and push them from here? [15:31] clivejo: yeah, or you can sign [15:31] clivejo: is it flashing for you on the .orig tar name when you do an ls? [15:31] clivejo: you can start by uploading all the ones in upload/ [15:31] I cant get the remote signing to work :( [15:31] clivejo: I did all the ones in upload [15:32] yes its flashing [15:32] that is weird, and annoying [15:32] it was doing that with the previous one you did too [15:32] I assumed you did something [15:35] clivejo: so will you upload the ones in upload/ ? [15:36] to where? [15:38] thats not gonna wrong, I need a for loop? [15:38] work [15:40] clivejo: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-kdeapplications [15:40] clivejo: yes, slap in a for loop [15:42] Riddell: any good? [15:43] clivejo: looking good [15:43] clivejo: ah the pesky signature check [15:43] clivejo: run it again with dput -u [15:43] grrrr [15:52] any thoughts: https://plus.google.com/+AaronDennis/posts/5Azjm5zdn9e ? [15:53] Riddell: all uploaded [15:53] clivejo: yay [15:53] soee: $service is refusing to shut down until it hits the 90s kill timeout [15:54] clivejo: build status will appear here http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/ [15:54] yofel: but this is something that we can fox on our side or it is related to his configuration etc ? [15:54] Riddell: when will they appear? [15:54] when they get slots on LP? [15:55] can be anything unless we know exactly what's still running.. [15:55] yofel: can i quote you in the reply or you want to answer him ? [15:56] feel free to quote me [16:03] soee: I have experienced this a few times in wily, there was one night it didnt shut down fully at all [16:04] since the shutdown script is ficed i think i didn't experianced it [16:05] updates - current status in my Wily installation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12136374/ [16:08] Riddell: any idea why kde4libs is empty? [16:09] soee: there is no shutdown script. systemd just asks all services to terminate. If one refuses to do that it will wait a while and then try harder to stop them [16:11] and it was systemd some time ago when shutdown was totaly broke in plasma ? [16:11] Riddell: 15.08.10 status? ^^ [16:12] hm, why is the depwait parsing broken.. [16:12] soee: no, that's something in kde. He says he sees plymouth, meaning that the session quit fine, but some system service is hanging [16:13] shutdown still likes to not work for me when quassel is running. For whatever reason.. [16:13] Sput: any remote idea why that could happen? ^ [16:13] yofel: yes but i wasn't reffering to his issue when talking about shutdown script :) [16:14] i just wanted to say that all the problems related to shutdown i had in the past were gone after some fix was released [16:14] if I quit quassel before telling plasma to quit it works, if quassel is running, plasma will quit but after that the logout aborts. If I then shutdown again from krunner it'll work [16:15] i called it shutdown script but maybe it isn't good name [16:15] well yeah, since shutdown involves multiple layers [16:19] Riddell: what is going on with kdelibs? [16:21] clivejo: oh watch file is wrong [16:21] cos we have a different packagea name to upstream name [16:21] its wrong version! [16:21] change it in the watch file from kde4libs to kdelibs [16:22] now I didnt expect that to work! [16:23] why is that flashing?!? [16:23] no idea at all [16:23] http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.08.0_wily.html ta da [16:24] surprise surprise Marble is red [16:26] ah, my qt4 stuff wasn't reverted [16:27] I'll do that later, so you guys fix the rest [16:28] I'm out for the evening, thanks for helping clivejo! [16:29] my pleasure, just need to digest what I learned today! [16:30] Riddell: do you want to turn ec off for the night? [16:45] clivejo: maybe you can fix the 'broken fav' in kickof with an update.rc script. for version >= 15.08.0 check if desktop files listes in favovites exists. If not remove them. [16:45] clivejo: No idea how to add the new desktop filenames in a clean way. At least the broken one are gone. [16:49] clivejo: Mhm, if one invalid favotites entry is found, one could read Favorites for /usr/share/applications ... kickoffrc and add all entries that are not listed in the user favoirtes list. [17:07] clivejo: kickoff fav maybe even better fix: every pkg that changes desktop file add a updaterc script that check kickoffrc in Favorites and Recent and replaces the old desktop filepath with the new desktop filepath. When one writes a helperscript an update rc script has to do is to run favfixhelper [17:16] Mhmm, plasma-desktop-appletsrc: atleast taskbar, icononly and panel and desktop-bg needs also to be fixed. Uhm that harder :-( e.g. icononly laucher config is stored as [Containments][13][Applets][14][Configuration][Launchers] Items= file:///... and that ignores AFAIU the possibility of several activities :-( [17:37] allee: I have no idea how to do this! [17:38] clivejo: Me too :-) I check https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tools/Using_kconf_update at the moment. There are examples in https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tools/Using_kconf_update/ [17:42] * allee ponders if perlscript like "s|\b$OLDPATH\b|\b$NEWPATH\b|g" is good enough [17:43] oh KF5 examples are in /usr/share/kconf_update/ , kde4 in /usr/share/kde4/apps/kconf_update/ [18:05] whats wrong with kdebugsettings? [18:18] clivejo: highway is calling. bb later [18:18] allee: ok, have fun [18:25] ahoneybun: what do you find wrong? [18:25] nothing [18:25] it is just red [18:25] but LP has no error [18:25] s [18:25] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/214415428/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.kdebugsettings_4%3A15.07.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz [18:26] where is it red? [18:26] http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.08.0_wily.html [18:27] * ahoneybun grabs food [18:29] clivejo: you think Riddell turned off that ec2? [18:29] ahoneybun: we uploaded 15.08 stable apps today [18:29] all? [18:34] ahoneybun: we uploaded 15.08 stable apps today [18:34] http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.08.0_wily.html [18:34] I see that... [18:34] sorry, internet problems on my end [18:40] yofel: you about? [18:41] now yes ^^ [18:41] LOL [18:42] ahoneybun: see the very first tiny line of the output on the script, that package is 15.07.90 [18:42] for the last version of okteta I got sitter to apply a patch [18:42] http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/okteta.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive&id=6db5e94b0fe4f28458c2ed2f0b928b47abd34e2a [18:42] yes? [18:42] now in 15.08 version the file is back in the original location! [18:42] ... [18:43] yofel: wrong verison? [18:43]