| diddledan | aha, win10 is done upgrading | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| * popey looks at Myrtti and Myrtti__2 and Myrtti__3 and Myrtti__4 as well as Myrtti__1 and Myrtti___ | 00:12 | |
| diddledan | popey: manymyrrti! | 00:12 |
| diddledan | spelign | 00:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | some one got their cloning research finished :-) | 00:23 |
| m0nkey_ | So that's why she went to California. | 00:27 |
| m0nkey_ | Cloning experiments | 00:28 |
| * zmoylan-pi hums stop the Myrtti | 00:59 | |
| daftykins | *facepalm* | 01:01 |
| daftykins | not the best of examples for a staffer to give :P | 01:01 |
| zmoylan-pi | they've raised a large enough myrtti army and are now out terrorising the city | 01:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | or at least those parts of it that have moomins :-) | 01:21 |
| m0nkey_ | anyone know of a good syslog viewer.. specifically web based? | 02:37 |
| MartijnVdS | m0nkey_: logstash/kibana? (java alert) | 04:38 |
| knightwise | morning everyone | 04:53 |
| * knightwise just switched to Gnome Shell on his XPS13. | 05:06 | |
| maps | hi all | 05:23 |
| maps | just home from work:D | 05:23 |
| knightwise | hey maps | 05:24 |
| knightwise | so , been fun cleaning the batmobile ? (obviously that is the only job you can do at night) | 05:24 |
| knightwise | or you ARE batman | 05:24 |
| maps | haha | 05:27 |
| maps | work for a gambling company | 05:27 |
| maps | not batman | 05:27 |
| maps | ;] | 05:27 |
| knightwise | aha | 05:28 |
| knightwise | maintenance night ? | 05:28 |
| maps | trading dept | 05:28 |
| knightwise | cool . But that explains why you are such a nocturnal creature then :) | 05:35 |
| maps | ;] | 05:38 |
| corenominal | Good morning :) | 06:50 |
| === richt_ is now known as richt_t | ||
| MooDoo | morning all | 07:04 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 08:39 |
| MooDoo | howdy brobostigon | 09:00 |
| brobostigon | hi MooDoo | 09:04 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 09:42 |
| bashrc | evening | 10:05 |
| davmor2 | Morning bigcalm | 10:07 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: me owld mucka bit of bon jovi today | 10:08 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: nice | 10:11 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: it was the mouth harp part of the beginning of blaze of glory that was stuck, just cycling over and over in my head :) | 10:12 |
| davmor2 | Now this is a caravan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuAx-QAoSEU | 10:42 |
| popey | correct | 10:51 |
| shauno | screen-scraping some of the ugliest html I've ever seen, $deity preserve me :/ | 10:57 |
| awilkins | Get the regex out! | 11:02 |
| awilkins | You'll hate it, but it will distract you from how much you hate the HTML | 11:02 |
| awilkins | An instance where two problems is better than one | 11:02 |
| awilkins | I have a new fondness for jQuery for that kind of thing TBH | 11:02 |
| * popey hugs beautiful soup | 11:03 | |
| popey | been very handy when I needed to scrape | 11:03 |
| awilkins | Just from it's wikipedia page it looks a bit like how I think of jQuery, possibly | 11:06 |
| awilkins | Had to do some *horrible* scraping recently | 11:06 |
| awilkins | Pages had a bunch of expanda-blocks that were populated at expand-time using an API call | 11:07 |
| awilkins | Wrote a greasemonkey script that jQueried all the expandablocks and did the API calls for them, logged it to the SQLite database it uses for user persistence | 11:08 |
| awilkins | Then wrote a script to automate loading all the pages and a script to make the JSON responses into a CSV | 11:08 |
| knightwise | anyone know anything about W7 partition tables ? | 13:08 |
| KrisDouglas | knightwise, what's the issue? | 13:15 |
| directhex | knightwise: ? | 14:49 |
| davmor2 | DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY-O, DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY-O, daylight come and me wanna go home | 15:04 |
| * zmoylan-pi hands davmor2 a banana | 15:17 | |
| daftykins | i see the myrttis are carrying on :P | 16:00 |
| zmoylan-pi | ♪ daylight come and she wanna log in... ♫ | 16:02 |
| daftykins | day-oooo! | 16:02 |
| * diddledan wanders in | 16:09 | |
| daftykins | oh, it's you! | 16:09 |
| diddledan | it is? | 16:10 |
| diddledan | omg! | 16:10 |
| diddledan | shoo! | 16:10 |
| diddledan | get out! | 16:10 |
| daftykins | well i thought i'd better look at the income tax return online site | 16:10 |
| diddledan | eep | 16:10 |
| daftykins | and sure enough no idea what the login details are, so i guess that's another year waiting for them to be posted (no really) | 16:10 |
| diddledan | oh dear :-( | 16:10 |
| diddledan | the british use a random number for the self-assessment login | 16:11 |
| daftykins | o0 | 16:11 |
| diddledan | i.e. you have to know the random number AND your complex password | 16:11 |
| diddledan | you can't replace the number with something like a nickname | 16:11 |
| daftykins | Myrtti: sort out your connection for the love of Tux! | 16:11 |
| diddledan | so my login id is something like 1234567890 and my password | 16:12 |
| daftykins | apparently i have a 'memorable word' | 16:12 |
| diddledan | no way am I remembering that number | 16:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | is it the name of that place in wales with longest name and the entry field only takes 20 characters? :-) | 16:13 |
| diddledan | lol | 16:13 |
| diddledan | llanfair-pg | 16:13 |
| diddledan | (abbrv) | 16:13 |
| daftykins | he speaks their tongue! | 16:13 |
| diddledan | I can say a fairly good rendition of it too | 16:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | or the random number is iota and you're trying to work out how to put sqr(-1) into a numbers only box? | 16:14 |
| daftykins | holy moly i'm in! | 16:22 |
| diddledan | OMG J00 HAXX0R | 16:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | that or it's a fake site looking to collect his info... | 16:24 |
| diddledan | zmoylan-pi: be honest, you seek those out to give the crooks duff-gen (bad info) | 16:24 |
| * zmoylan-pi signs diddledan up to a bunch of ashley madison related sites... :-) | 16:25 | |
| diddledan | meh, I'm already there :-p | 16:26 |
| daftykins | take that, gibson | 16:26 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| daftykins | mother kins would like to know how one obtains a # on a mac? :S | 17:23 |
| daftykins | http://kb.parallels.com/Attachments/19485/Images/wireless-british.jpg | 17:23 |
| diddledan | alt+3 | 17:24 |
| daftykins | certainly that horrid little fellow doesn't give it up o0 | 17:24 |
| daftykins | o rly | 17:24 |
| daftykins | i have passed that on, ty sir | 17:26 |
| daftykins | though she called it 'hashtag' so i'm still cringing | 17:26 |
| diddledan | eep | 17:32 |
| diddledan | at least it's not a "poundtag" | 17:32 |
| diddledan | if the americans had named it then that's what they'd have called it (when used how twitter uses it) | 17:33 |
| daftykins | indeed, i was just ribbing the americans about that | 17:33 |
| diddledan | this looks awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yzo-QwwWjk | 17:45 |
| daftykins | hmm don't know anything about them folk | 18:00 |
| diddledan | http://www.windowscentral.com/google-working-fix-chrome-crashes-windows-10 yey ms broke sh....t | 18:20 |
| neuro | floofen haffen | 18:24 |
| diddledan | ohdear: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34007859 | 18:24 |
| neuro | i have rediscovered IRC on the Mac ... be afraid | 18:25 |
| shauno | hm, javascript anyone? ;) how do I reference an object's member by a variable? like I want to do something.$id=, so if $id was 'bob' I'd be hitting something.bob | 18:26 |
| diddledan | shauno: use array notation | 18:26 |
| neuro | or don't use javascript at all | 18:27 |
| neuro | jpc | 18:27 |
| diddledan | object['member'+id] | 18:27 |
| shauno | if not using javascript was an option, my day would have gone much, much better :) | 18:27 |
| diddledan | or even in your case object[id] | 18:27 |
| shauno | woah, that actually works | 18:28 |
| diddledan | something[id] == something.bob when id=bob | 18:28 |
| shauno | I actually ditched arrays because I couldn't figure out how to push arrays with a key->value mess | 18:28 |
| diddledan | o_O | 18:29 |
| shauno | but pretending an object is still an array seems to work. this language is designed to hurt | 18:29 |
| neuro | which was kinda my point ;) | 18:29 |
| diddledan | arrays and objects are essentially the same thing in javascript | 18:30 |
| neuro | they're both evil | 18:31 |
| diddledan | I discovered coffeescript outputs really nice code yesterday | 18:31 |
| davmor2 | diddledan: Liar | 18:32 |
| * neuro wanders off to find sustenance | 18:32 | |
| davmor2 | diddledan: if you'd of said distinctly average I could of believed you ;) | 18:32 |
| diddledan | I kinda think this is really quite elegant: https://github.com/diddledan/circ/blob/native-tls/package/bin/net/ssl_socket.js | 18:35 |
| popey | hello neuro | 18:39 |
| * diddledan neurolises everyone | 18:39 | |
| diddledan | time to watch mr robot | 18:54 |
| daftykins | domo arigato | 18:57 |
| neuro | evenin mr popey | 19:01 |
| popey | hows tricks? | 19:01 |
| neuro | not bad | 19:01 |
| neuro | currently on a forced vacation | 19:01 |
| neuro | as in "you have 25 days to take before the end of the year, TAKE HOLIDAYS!" | 19:01 |
| neuro | totally forgot to take any days off this year | 19:02 |
| diddledan | neuro: that's crazy | 19:02 |
| neuro | i know, right? | 19:02 |
| neuro | i'm loving my job though | 19:03 |
| diddledan | neuro: surely they'd prefer you actually earnt them money | 19:03 |
| neuro | ? | 19:03 |
| neuro | you'd rather work for a company that didn't care if you took time off or not? | 19:03 |
| diddledan | it's a fine line | 19:04 |
| Pendulum | neuro: do they need to pay you the vacation time at the end of the year if you don't take it? | 19:04 |
| neuro | no | 19:04 |
| neuro | i can carry 5 days | 19:04 |
| neuro | i'd lose the rest | 19:04 |
| diddledan | this is getting silly: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/20/google-ordered-to-remove-links-to-stories-about-right-to-be-forgotten-removals | 19:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | we should build a monument or paint a list of the urls and see if they try and censor art :-) | 19:52 |
| diddledan | I don't get how something that is on public record is allowed to be censured | 19:53 |
| zmoylan-pi | we do allow injunctions to keep things out of the media. uk also has super injunctions which are legendary for their tell no one anything | 19:54 |
| diddledan | I mean what if I specifically wanted to find out about said person's criminal conviction? | 19:55 |
| diddledan | I can't because it's hidden | 19:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | then if it's covered by the injunction you lose some info | 19:55 |
| diddledan | yeah but these right to be forgotten requests aren't being superinjuncted | 19:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | unless of course you have a mate in the know who supplies the info under the table | 19:56 |
| diddledan | it's about random person in the street who I want to find out what the crime was they alluded to in conversation | 19:56 |
| diddledan | they've previously filed a right to be forgotten and so I can't find out about it | 19:56 |
| diddledan | but the right to be forgotten isn't stripping the public records available at county records offices | 19:57 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's getting to the point you'll need to pull down a yearly wikipedia, plus news articles of home country just to have an untampered local record | 19:57 |
| diddledan | so I can go there and find out anyway | 19:57 |
| maps | hm | 19:59 |
| maps | off to pizza express | 19:59 |
| maps | never been before | 19:59 |
| maps | better or worse than dominos? | 19:59 |
| directhex | maps: much better | 19:59 |
| maps | ;D | 20:00 |
| diddledan | gotta love network gear: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CdrKLotRRCM/VdXwUo6X5II/AAAAAAAAD3A/jUzE40ev1rk/s1600/171351.jpg | 20:03 |
| directhex | diddledan: ooh, a fancy router! | 20:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | is that the one with the fingerprint reader? :-) | 20:14 |
| * neuro pokes at php things with sticks | 20:16 | |
| neuro | it's like a love-hate relationship | 20:19 |
| neuro | i know it's evil, but it's the easiest thing i know to use to lash websites together | 20:20 |
| neuro | since i'm not actually a dev by trade | 20:20 |
| diddledan | neuro: use a cms :-p | 20:21 |
| neuro | na | 20:21 |
| neuro | too much hassle | 20:21 |
| neuro | it's a simple site, just list a bunch of software, give some info about it, and do some download links | 20:21 |
| neuro | i'd spend weeks trying to get wp or similar to do the same thing | 20:22 |
| neuro | and don't get me started on drupal | 20:22 |
| diddledan | well yeah, drupal is a pig | 20:22 |
| neuro | yup | 20:22 |
| neuro | we use it at $work | 20:23 |
| diddledan | wordpress however I lurve | 20:23 |
| directhex | <3 wordpress | 20:23 |
| neuro | i like it too, i use it for my blog (which i put a lovely new theme on a cpl weeks ago) but it's too heavy for this thing i'm doing just now | 20:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | and it NEVER has security problems... :-P | 20:26 |
| directhex | zmoylan-pi: it has known, patched security problems. how many security issues are there in $obscure or "homegrown CMS? | 20:28 |
| directhex | $] | 20:28 |
| directhex | dsfiouphagdefr[80o9hygt5r4ae8uyp9[ | 20:28 |
| diddledan | kittenattack? | 20:29 |
| m6lpi | Or lack of coffee | 20:31 |
| diddledan | or maybe just giving up on life? | 20:33 |
| directhex | all of the above! | 20:36 |
| diddledan | a programmer's horror movie character? https://instagram.com/p/6nopsvj2Vg/ | 20:54 |
| zmoylan-pi | this goes out to those that want to save a few bob on electrician... :-) http://img.pr0gramm.com/2014/06/17/8eacd433a8e24de5.jpg | 20:57 |
| diddledan | lol @ the a-v alert | 21:05 |
| diddledan | (350amp) | 21:06 |
| zmoylan-pi | installed by rick o'shea :-) | 21:09 |
| neuro | my watch wants me to stand up | 21:50 |
| diddledan | your watch is fruity? | 21:50 |
| neuro | tis | 21:50 |
| shauno | heh, that always makes me chuckle too. especially when it celebrates that I took enough smoke breaks | 21:50 |
| neuro | :) | 21:50 |
| diddledan | I like that supposedly in apple board meetings suddenly everyone stands up | 21:51 |
| neuro | at different times | 21:51 |
| neuro | in order | 21:51 |
| neuro | like a slow, unfun mexican wave | 21:51 |
| daftykins | lots of "aaaaaaah" going on | 21:52 |
| zmoylan-pi | what if someone fly in from different time zone? :-) | 21:52 |
| neuro | i don't mind it so much, but you'd think that when going 70mph, it wouldn't hassle you | 21:52 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: they're still at the airport setting the time | 21:53 |
| neuro | "oh thanks, watch, let me just stand up INSIDE MY CAR WHILE I'M DRIVING IT" | 21:53 |
| neuro | daftykins: time is set from the phone, which is set from the network | 21:53 |
| zmoylan-pi | honestly officer, i had to stand on my seat with head out sun roof and foot on steering wheel... | 21:53 |
| neuro | BECAUSE WATCH | 21:53 |
| daftykins | i'm joking :) | 21:55 |
| neuro | i know | 21:55 |
| neuro | it was a crap joke ;) | 21:55 |
| daftykins | what if the phone is off to comply with flight regs! | 21:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | what if they're a clueless user who set phone up wrong? | 21:56 |
| daftykins | which is pretty likely | 21:56 |
| shauno | you turn the phone on when you land, it finds a network and bam. it's not complex :p | 21:57 |
| neuro | daftykins: interesting point, i assume there's a quartz timer inside to keep time while offnet | 21:57 |
| neuro | zmoylan-pi: there's not much to go wrong | 21:57 |
| neuro | the watch talks to the phone over bluetooth-le | 21:57 |
| * zmoylan-pi suspects neuro hasn't worked tech support... | 21:57 | |
| shauno | apple's seems to use wifi too, which surprised me | 21:57 |
| neuro | it gets time from (as i understand it) NTP, cellular and GPS/GLONASS time sync | 21:57 |
| neuro | zmoylan-pi: wut? try me | 21:58 |
| zmoylan-pi | my printer isn't printing... what's wrong neuro? | 21:58 |
| diddledan | I recall someone moaning that they said in the keynote that it will be accurate to within x of a second - the person didn't seem to grok that they were stating a maximum offset from canonical time rather than drift | 21:58 |
| neuro | check paper | 21:58 |
| neuro | check cables | 21:58 |
| neuro | check toner/carts | 21:58 |
| neuro | check network | 21:58 |
| neuro | check drivers | 21:58 |
| neuro | check for paper jam | 21:59 |
| neuro | etc etc | 21:59 |
| zmoylan-pi | you forgot to check if they had printer in first place :-) | 21:59 |
| neuro | [swear] | 21:59 |
| daftykins | please say that has never happened? | 21:59 |
| zmoylan-pi | or electricity. or a computer... | 21:59 |
| zmoylan-pi | it has | 21:59 |
| neuro | "my printer" implies LYING | 21:59 |
| zmoylan-pi | they assumed buying a computer with word processing software was enough to do printing | 22:00 |
| neuro | in fairness, i've never worked public facing first line | 22:00 |
| shauno | why else would it have a print button? | 22:00 |
| zmoylan-pi | so you've never worked full stupidity tech suppoty :-) | 22:01 |
| neuro | i've never been that hard up / desperate / lunatic | 22:01 |
| zmoylan-pi | the time it took best part of an hour to work out what size floppies the customer wanted to order... | 22:01 |
| daftykins | isn't private support just the same, only with suited/dressed folk who get angry for you "making them feel stupid" ? | 22:01 |
| * neuro sticks the Total Recall soundtrack on, because GOLDSMITH | 22:02 | |
| neuro | daftykins: there are less variables involved | 22:02 |
| neuro | in theory, you've deployed the infra, so there's only so many different configs to manage, and thus you know (to an extent) what the caller has on their desk | 22:02 |
| shauno | my strangest support call is still the australian who didn't mention the fire until we asked him | 22:03 |
| zmoylan-pi | the people who type in wrong passwords as they don't like the ones they've been given and then wonder why they can't log in | 22:03 |
| zmoylan-pi | the time i was asked to help a customer install a modem and wasn't told until 15 minutes in that the customer was blind... | 22:03 |
| neuro | my favourite was a typing pool secretary whose keyboard we had to replace 3 times | 22:03 |
| shauno | I mean, we took his name, number, company name, serial number, contract number. and then asked him what the issue was. it was on fire. | 22:04 |
| neuro | because she typed so fast and with such ferocity that they keys lost their labels | 22:04 |
| neuro | she could type just fine, but any time she was off, the temp replacing her couldn't handle the near-blank keyboard | 22:04 |
| neuro | and this was way before the hacker keyboard came out ;) | 22:04 |
| daftykins | shauno: O_O what was 'it' ? | 22:04 |
| shauno | a rather large ups | 22:05 |
| neuro | ouch | 22:05 |
| zmoylan-pi | a mate who had to drive around to a video shop as he couldn't get the staff member to type 2 lines 1) cd \video 2) video after an hour of instructions over the phone | 22:05 |
| shauno | (one rack tall and 8 racks wide) | 22:05 |
| daftykins | O_O | 22:05 |
| daftykins | that must be a fun flame | 22:05 |
| zmoylan-pi | the same person who had to have a cleaner restrain a manager who kept picking up the phone when we wanted him to let the modem pick up the line | 22:05 |
| diddledan | you'd think clearing the building would be more important than claiming the repair while it's still burning | 22:06 |
| neuro | if it wasn't in a room with fire suppression, then that's just sheer mentalness | 22:06 |
| shauno | yeah. the fire dept was our recommendation too | 22:06 |
| zmoylan-pi | the pizza shop who rang computer tech support as they couldn't find the cheese in the stock room | 22:06 |
| neuro | why am i now thinking of Moss from The IT Crowd, emailing the fire brigade about a fire in the office | 22:06 |
| zmoylan-pi | an actual out of cheese error :-) | 22:06 |
| neuro | "not much call for it round here" | 22:07 |
| neuro | </monty> | 22:07 |
| neuro | I'm liking this IRC client so far | 22:07 |
| neuro | Textual, in case anyone's wondering | 22:08 |
| diddledan | aha | 22:08 |
| diddledan | yeah that's not bad | 22:08 |
| neuro | 4 quid off the app store | 22:08 |
| shauno | lol, one of us, one of us! | 22:08 |
| neuro | hehe | 22:08 |
| neuro | remember, i'm the guy who repeatedly badmouths ubuntu desktop in here ;) | 22:08 |
| diddledan | just out of curiosity, how many of the regulars in here are actually driving an ubuntu desktop? :-p | 22:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | o/ | 22:09 |
| neuro | i'm going to say it's a skewed sample | 22:09 |
| zmoylan-pi | xubuntu mind | 22:09 |
| neuro | well at least you don't have unity ;) | 22:09 |
| zmoylan-pi | and a raspian sitting in kitchen for irc, rss | 22:09 |
| diddledan | I mean, we've got me and daftykins on windas, shauno and neuro on os x | 22:09 |
| diddledan | me also on os x when I feel like a change | 22:09 |
| daftykins | though to add fun to the mix i'm typing from irssi on an ubuntu server VM 8) | 22:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | plus an olpc, 1 hp netbook also running xubuntu in 1gb of ram plus new laptop still win8.1 but will be dual booting linux or wiped 100% for linux depending on how it annoys me | 22:10 |
| diddledan | daftykins: that doesn't count :-p | 22:10 |
| neuro | don't get me wrong, i'm doing the same (irssi on vm, ssh proxy from mac to vm) | 22:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | i also have 2 mac minis but they haven't been turned on in 3-4 years | 22:10 |
| * neuro counts ... | 22:10 | |
| neuro | 5 macs and 2 windows | 22:11 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: sounds safest ;) | 22:11 |
| neuro | 2 unboxed pis in the house and a play pi sitting in the office | 22:11 |
| neuro | sitting next to the two macs on my desk | 22:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | and then for mobile i have 1 android tablet, 1 iphone 3g, 1 android qwerty phone, 2 symbian qwerty phones, 1 nokia feature phone and 1 samsung feature phone. | 22:11 |
| shauno | and a paaartridge .. | 22:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | whoops, plus 2 spare qwerty feature phones | 22:12 |
| neuro | i find it easier just to do this: http://neuro.me.uk/tech/ | 22:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | oh and an ancient shipped with donut android phone | 22:12 |
| neuro | not quite up to date, but close enough | 22:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | and a new pi 2 i haven't set up yet | 22:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | and if you gave me a few days notice i could probably build a few pcs from parts lying around :-) | 22:13 |
| neuro | "build" a pc ... i haven't done that in yeeeeears | 22:14 |
| neuro | OK, WHO'S RUNNING WINDOWS 10?!? | 22:14 |
| diddledan | neuro: I like that nice high-res header image | 22:14 |
| daftykins | why ever not? :) | 22:14 |
| neuro | diddledan: nice theme, innit? | 22:15 |
| * daftykins has two machines with 10 and has infected a friend too | 22:15 | |
| shauno | I tried, but I still can't get my memory chips working properly | 22:15 |
| neuro | sorry, reason i blurted that out is that i'm log watching | 22:15 |
| zmoylan-pi | you know how it is, you had a symbian phone, it would suggest an update, the pc you had wouldn't do it so you'd build a new one to update software and the longest part was still updating the nokia software... :-) | 22:15 |
| diddledan | oops | 22:15 |
| neuro | [IP REDACTED] - - [20/Aug/2015:22:14:32 +0000] "GET /tech/ HTTP/1.1" 200 10059 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0" | 22:15 |
| diddledan | yeah that'll be me | 22:15 |
| neuro | tee hee | 22:15 |
| neuro | busted | 22:15 |
| neuro | ... even though you admitted to it 6 minutes ago | 22:16 |
| neuro | how you finding it? | 22:17 |
| neuro | win10 that is | 22:17 |
| neuro | i installed it on a VM then went off work and haven't played with it yet | 22:17 |
| daftykins | it's lovely, lighter than even 7 was | 22:17 |
| neuro | cool | 22:18 |
| neuro | we're probably going to deploy it at work for all the non-mac people (obv) | 22:18 |
| diddledan | I don't mind it though I'm annoyed that I hit an api limitation that I moaned to daftykins about the other day - path length is restricted to 260 chars | 22:18 |
| neuro | win7ent just now | 22:18 |
| daftykins | you do have to disable a lot as it comes out of the box, for example it shares windows updates to the internet if you don't change it | 22:18 |
| neuro | yeah, i spotted that one | 22:18 |
| neuro | OFF! | 22:18 |
| daftykins | i like LAN only though, i've wanted that for years | 22:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | it'll be fun in a few months when other folk see their data caps blown wide open | 22:18 |
| daftykins | only one box downloading would be neat | 22:19 |
| neuro | even os x doesn't do that | 22:19 |
| shauno | you mean like squid-deb-proxy? | 22:19 |
| daftykins | that'll only happen for people that haven't set their connections as being metered | 22:19 |
| neuro | you need to spend the 13 quid for os x server to get that functionality | 22:19 |
| daftykins | so, newbies | 22:19 |
| neuro | i don't believe in metered connections any more | 22:19 |
| zmoylan-pi | i used to download all the mac updates to one mac mini and then burn them to dvd for my brother out in the boonies | 22:19 |
| daftykins | :D | 22:19 |
| neuro | unlimited sky vdsl, unlimited bt vdsl and unlimited 3 3G/4G | 22:19 |
| neuro | and my 3 tariff is the old one plan that lets you tether unlimited too | 22:20 |
| daftykins | amusingly Guernsey broadband has no FUP but Jersey does | 22:20 |
| neuro | they'll take my sim out of my cold dead fingers | 22:20 |
| * daftykins makes a rude gesture towards the coast of Jersey | 22:20 | |
| neuro | jersey loves you too | 22:20 |
| daftykins | haha grandfathered in eh | 22:20 |
| neuro | indeed | 22:20 |
| neuro | luckily i've stopped getting subsidised handsets, so if/when i bump my iphone up, tariff won't change | 22:21 |
| neuro | i have a feeling if i said "hey, 3, can i get a lovely iphone from you guys?" they'd change my plan to the non-unlimited tethering thingy | 22:21 |
| neuro | so, forget that | 22:21 |
| neuro | also, it's only 15 quid a month | 22:21 |
| neuro | FIFTEEN QUID! | 22:21 |
| daftykins | daym | 22:22 |
| daftykins | we don't have you telcos down here :) | 22:22 |
| daftykins | phones are retail unlocked | 22:22 |
| neuro | the only duff bit is that my house is like a faraday cage, so the signal is awful on all networks, but i have one of those dinky home signal thingies | 22:22 |
| neuro | oh here's a fun fact i found out when shopping for an unlocked iphone | 22:23 |
| neuro | if you buy an iphone off-network from carphone warehouse, it locks itself to the network of the first sim you boot it up with | 22:23 |
| neuro | you can only get proper unlocked iphones direct from the mothership | 22:23 |
| neuro | err, apple | 22:23 |
| diddledan | HAH, I've still got one of those logitech quickcam thingies around here, too | 22:25 |
| diddledan | ref: http://neuro.me.uk/pics/2004/01/09_dsltech/?01/DSC01758.JPG | 22:25 |
| neuro | ooh me too, somewhere | 22:25 |
| neuro | oh right lol | 22:25 |
| diddledan | :-p | 22:25 |
| neuro | those pics are aaaaaaaaaaancient | 22:26 |
| neuro | that awful 10/100 switch has been replaced by an hp 16 port gig thing | 22:26 |
| neuro | in fact ... | 22:26 |
| neuro | hmmm ... | 22:26 |
| daftykins | ubuntu 14.04 with no traceroute installed as default, wat | 22:27 |
| neuro | wat? | 22:27 |
| neuro | no comprendo | 22:28 |
| diddledan | awesome, I've got one of those froggy adsl modems, too: http://neuro.me.uk/pics/2002/05/study.rewire/?01/DCP_0013.JPG | 22:28 |
| daftykins | (desktop VM) | 22:28 |
| neuro | wat? that's mental | 22:28 |
| neuro | mtr should be installed tho | 22:28 |
| daftykins | ah yes 'tis | 22:28 |
| daftykins | haha those were the first things given out for the local ADSL when it launched | 22:28 |
| neuro | yup, which is probably why i have a photo of one | 22:29 |
| daftykins | i remember XP machines connected with that getting hit by msblast within seconds of connecting, before XP SP whatever added firewalls as default | 22:29 |
| neuro | yeah, mine was hooked up to a smoothwal | 22:29 |
| neuro | s/wal/wall/ | 22:29 |
| daftykins | same! | 22:29 |
| daftykins | mgmt.o :) | 22:29 |
| neuro | ah, good old smoothwall (bleh) | 22:30 |
| daftykins | once it hit v3 that firmware no longer worked :( | 22:30 |
| neuro | although if you still had ADSLv1 when sw3 came out ... | 22:30 |
| daftykins | ooh those SFF compaqs you have down there on the left, i had a couple of those | 22:30 |
| neuro | "have" | 22:31 |
| neuro | do you see how old those photos are? | 22:31 |
| neuro | those suckers were WEEEd a long time ago | 22:31 |
| diddledan | I bet they didn't work after you weed on them | 22:31 |
| daftykins | well, i consider 'have' as in 'have in the picture' but i suppose we could jump all over minor things | 22:31 |
| daftykins | perhaps we could later discuss some spelling and grammar to go full aspie whilst we're at it? :) | 22:32 |
| diddledan | while** | 22:32 |
| diddledan | whilst is archaic | 22:32 |
| daftykins | :D | 22:32 |
| daftykins | is it :( | 22:32 |
| daftykins | maybe us rock dwellers are :( | 22:32 |
| diddledan | there is technically no difference between meanings despite what people seem to think :-p | 22:33 |
| * neuro is trying to find more recent pics ;) | 22:34 | |
| diddledan | lol | 22:34 |
| daftykins | i was chatting to a mate about what really happens when we recycle CRTs | 22:34 |
| daftykins | he found an article about a bloke up Manchester way that invented a process to extract the lead from the glass | 22:34 |
| neuro | aha | 22:39 |
| neuro | PICS LOCATED! | 22:39 |
| neuro | waiting ... waiting ... | 22:40 |
| neuro | 2.6GB of swap in use does not help things, even with a 7200rpm drive | 22:40 |
| daftykins | this is when you still have all the exact same content except those two compaqs ;) | 22:40 |
| neuro | http://wpa.io/~neuro/IMG_0825.jpg <- that stack on the left (before 16 port switch bought) | 22:41 |
| neuro | http://wpa.io/~neuro/IMG_0736.jpg <- and the whole desk | 22:42 |
| neuro | i see my awesome tech has rendered you all speechless | 22:45 |
| neuro | ;) | 22:45 |
| daftykins | the... the clutter ;_; | 22:47 |
| neuro | yeah, well ... :D | 22:47 |
| neuro | i've been in this house for nearly 15 yrs | 22:47 |
| neuro | plenty of time to gunk up my office | 22:48 |
| shauno | why does that kinda remind me of the mid-90s | 22:48 |
| neuro | lol | 22:48 |
| neuro | i'm overdue to gut this place out and rewire to be honest | 22:48 |
| neuro | that desk fan is dead, i want to gut out the cabling, i want to replace the desk ... | 22:48 |
| shauno | I like the airduster. god loves an optimist | 22:48 |
| neuro | lol | 22:48 |
| neuro | i want a new monitor for the pc too | 22:49 |
| neuro | 22" 1080p sucks | 22:49 |
| neuro | also it's a samsung, and i've gone right off samsung kit | 22:49 |
| shauno | I think mine's 1024x768 still. or it's 1280xsummat and I'm driving it at 1024 | 22:49 |
| neuro | i don't even know what this apple 27" thing is ... | 22:49 |
| neuro | oh | 22:50 |
| neuro | 2560 x 1440 | 22:50 |
| neuro | https://www.dropbox.com/s/3upcgkmufsk1p77/Screenshot%202015-08-20%2023.51.26.png?dl=0 | 22:51 |
| neuro | :) | 22:51 |
| neuro | MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF STARS | 22:51 |
| daftykins | neuro: how have you found those netgear NASs vs. the Synology? | 22:55 |
| neuro | i use the synology just for iscsi -> esxi | 22:55 |
| daftykins | that looks like one of the dell inspiron 3000 series i'd bought a pair of for a client too | 22:55 |
| daftykins | she managed to lose one o0 | 22:55 |
| neuro | i've got another readynas (a 304) upstairs as i ran out of room | 22:56 |
| neuro | daftykins: it's a vostro 3550 | 22:56 |
| daftykins | that's the one, not inspiron | 22:56 |
| daftykins | a clients employee turfed some wine over one once | 22:56 |
| daftykins | that was fun | 22:56 |
| neuro | wheee | 22:56 |
| neuro | a scotlugger spilt a pint of beer over my latitude x300 years ago | 22:57 |
| neuro | stuck it out for a while with an external keyb | 22:57 |
| daftykins | ooh-err, did you kill him where he stood? | 22:57 |
| neuro | eventually phoned up dell saying "errr, keyb fail" | 22:57 |
| neuro | they replaced it the next day | 22:57 |
| neuro | i didn't say anything about the beer | 22:57 |
| neuro | i would have killed him, but a) public place (literally, since it was a pub) and b) his face was like "ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my god" | 22:58 |
| neuro | loved that laptop | 22:58 |
| neuro | probably the last thing i ran full fat ubuntu on | 22:58 |
| neuro | i have a sudden craving for a dymo omega embossing label maker | 23:04 |
| daftykins | :) | 23:08 |
| daftykins | i had to extract a label from a dymo's roller the other day, someone thinks a small child has been getting into the office :( | 23:08 |
| daftykins | a possible first of many i suspect | 23:09 |
| neuro | people at home = normal and careful | 23:09 |
| neuro | people at work = crazy and destructive | 23:09 |
| daftykins | :D amusingly this is the combo of the two, a guy who works from home whose young son is getting to the age of terrorising things | 23:09 |
| neuro | i've lost count the amount of times i've moaned about our main meeting room TV getting left on instead of being put into standby | 23:10 |
| daftykins | likes walking up to it and pressing the button that makes a single label wind out apparently | 23:10 |
| neuro | nice | 23:10 |
| daftykins | mmm i don't like waste like that | 23:10 |
| daftykins | heh friend in Texas just asked me to look up service status for the broadband in her area | 23:12 |
| daftykins | you need to log in via a smartphone app or the website, madness | 23:13 |
| neuro | stupid sky | 23:27 |
| daftykins | o0 | 23:28 |
| neuro | also stupid pfsense, didn't failover to BT properly for some reason | 23:31 |
| daftykins | ah a friend was just helping me get a pfsense VM going to test routing some traffic via a VPN | 23:31 |
| daftykins | (for an xbox, so no client :D ) | 23:31 |
| neuro | eeshk | 23:32 |
| neuro | the shenanigans i had to go through to get open NAT on my xbox one ... | 23:32 |
| daftykins | hahaha | 23:32 |
| daftykins | UPnP \o/ | 23:32 |
| neuro | shyeah right | 23:34 |
| neuro | and monkeys might fly out of my butt | 23:34 |
| daftykins | i figure you mean it was fun because of your setup | 23:34 |
| daftykins | always been fine here with UPnP on consumer routers | 23:34 |
| daftykins | 360, One... just dandy | 23:34 |
| neuro | yeah, pfsense shenanigans | 23:34 |
| neuro | ended up being an outbound NAT rule that was needed | 23:35 |
| daftykins | hrmm yep i get the odd drop pinging google UK and an IP at my ISP if i'm downloading at high speed | 23:35 |
| neuro | which was weird, because it was fine for a while (i got my xbox one on day one) but in november i was checking it and nat wasn't open any more | 23:35 |
| daftykins | hrmm | 23:36 |
| neuro | it is now though | 23:41 |
| daftykins | i quite enjoy the xbox streaming to win10 | 23:42 |
| neuro | haven't tried it yet | 23:42 |
| neuro | my boss has | 23:42 |
| daftykins | they just enabled the 1080p/60 option too | 23:43 |
| neuro | my main concern is that remotely switching on the xbox will switch everything else on too | 23:43 |
| daftykins | got an AVR? | 23:43 |
| neuro | i have it configured to switch on my sky box and tv when it switches on | 23:43 |
| neuro | no | 23:43 |
| daftykins | ah | 23:43 |
| neuro | thought about it in the xbox 360 days | 23:43 |
| daftykins | i don't use the instan on mode, so pop down to fire it up | 23:43 |
| neuro | when i was using sky go a lot | 23:43 |
| neuro | apparently hdcp doesn't pass through AVRs | 23:44 |
| neuro | so i dinged that idea | 23:44 |
| daftykins | sure it does | 23:44 |
| neuro | and i have my sky hd box connected to the xbox one, so more hdcp involved | 23:44 |
| daftykins | nothing would work if it didn't | 23:44 |
| neuro | it didn't when i was looking | 23:44 |
| neuro | games generally don't need hdcp | 23:44 |
| neuro | but protected video wants it | 23:44 |
| daftykins | i wouldn't even consider it for games | 23:44 |
| neuro | e.g. sky go | 23:44 |
| neuro | we're talking about the same hdcp, right? | 23:45 |
| daftykins | the DRM component hopefully | 23:45 |
| neuro | ja | 23:45 |
| neuro | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP | 23:45 |
| daftykins | which use case though? because for an AVR to not allow say, a bluray player to function would be a pretty big fail | 23:45 |
| neuro | i asked hauppauge about theirs and they said it didn't pass through hdcp | 23:46 |
| neuro | dude | 23:46 |
| neuro | i thought you meant av recorder | 23:46 |
| neuro | not receiver | 23:46 |
| daftykins | XD | 23:46 |
| daftykins | as in like a VCR? | 23:46 |
| neuro | no like those game recordy things that you hook up to a pc or mac to record gaming stuff | 23:47 |
| neuro | i DO have an AVR, but it's an old one (~2007), so no HDMI | 23:47 |
| neuro | i use an HDMI switch with optical ports | 23:47 |
| neuro | although i only use it to switch from sky/xbox one to mac | 23:47 |
| neuro | for some plex goodness | 23:47 |
| neuro | ah | 23:48 |
| neuro | http://www.tvcables.co.uk/images/items/thor-hdc100-hdmi-switch.jpg | 23:48 |
| neuro | that's the bunny | 23:48 |
| neuro | connected to this bad boy | 23:49 |
| neuro | http://assets.zensoft.net/neuro.me.uk/tech/Sony_STR-K880.jpg | 23:49 |
| neuro | ooh i have some wp updates | 23:50 |
| neuro | "An updated version of WordPress is available." | 23:50 |
| neuro | OF COURSE IT IS | 23:50 |
| daftykins | hmm not very lounge design friendly :D | 23:50 |
| neuro | sits in the corner with some obsolete tech on top | 23:51 |
| neuro | sony vcr and pioneer dvd player | 23:51 |
| neuro | neither have been turned on in years | 23:51 |
| neuro | $ svn switch http://core.svn.wordpress.org/tags/4.3.0 ... tee hee | 23:51 |
| neuro | d'oh, no .0 | 23:52 |
| neuro | VERY old pic: https://www.flickr.com/photos/neuro/2384734720 | 23:54 |
| daftykins | crikey | 23:57 |
| zmoylan-pi | wow just a few weeks back i took vcr and dvd player for recycling | 23:59 |
| zmoylan-pi | haven't had a tv since 2008 :-) | 23:59 |
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