[00:06] <diddledan> aha, win10 is done upgrading
[00:12]  * popey looks at Myrtti and Myrtti__2 and Myrtti__3 and Myrtti__4 as well as Myrtti__1 and Myrtti___ 
[00:12] <diddledan> popey: manymyrrti!
[00:13] <diddledan> spelign
[00:23] <zmoylan-pi> some one got their cloning research finished :-)
[00:27] <m0nkey_> So that's why she went to California.
[00:28] <m0nkey_> Cloning experiments
[00:59]  * zmoylan-pi hums stop the Myrtti 
[01:01] <daftykins> *facepalm*
[01:01] <daftykins> not the best of examples for a staffer to give :P
[01:20] <zmoylan-pi> they've raised a large enough myrtti army and are now out terrorising the city
[01:21] <zmoylan-pi> or at least those parts of it that have moomins :-)
[02:37] <m0nkey_> anyone know of a good syslog viewer.. specifically web based?
[04:38] <MartijnVdS> m0nkey_: logstash/kibana? (java alert)
[04:53] <knightwise> morning everyone
[05:06]  * knightwise just switched to Gnome Shell on his XPS13.
[05:23] <maps> hi all
[05:23] <maps> just home from work:D
[05:24] <knightwise> hey maps
[05:24] <knightwise> so , been fun cleaning the batmobile ? (obviously that is the only job you can do at night)
[05:24] <knightwise> or you ARE batman
[05:27] <maps> haha
[05:27] <maps> work for a gambling company
[05:27] <maps> not batman
[05:27] <maps> ;]
[05:28] <knightwise> aha
[05:28] <knightwise> maintenance night ?
[05:28] <maps> trading dept
[05:35] <knightwise> cool . But that explains why you are such a nocturnal creature then :)
[05:38] <maps> ;]
[06:50] <corenominal> Good morning :)
[07:04] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:39] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:00] <MooDoo> howdy brobostigon
[09:04] <brobostigon> hi MooDoo
[09:42] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:05] <bashrc> evening
[10:07] <davmor2> Morning bigcalm
[10:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka bit of bon jovi today
[10:11] <MooDoo> davmor2: nice
[10:12] <davmor2> MooDoo: it was the mouth harp part of the beginning of blaze of glory that was stuck, just cycling over and over in my head :)
[10:42] <davmor2> Now this is a caravan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuAx-QAoSEU
[10:51] <popey> correct
[10:57] <shauno> screen-scraping some of the ugliest html I've ever seen,  $deity preserve me :/
[11:02] <awilkins> Get the regex out!
[11:02] <awilkins> You'll hate it, but it will distract you from how much you hate the HTML
[11:02] <awilkins> An instance where two problems is better than one
[11:02] <awilkins> I have a new fondness for jQuery for that kind of thing TBH
[11:03]  * popey hugs beautiful soup
[11:03] <popey> been very handy when I needed to scrape
[11:06] <awilkins> Just from it's wikipedia page it looks a bit like how I think of jQuery, possibly
[11:06] <awilkins> Had to do some *horrible* scraping recently
[11:07] <awilkins> Pages had a bunch of expanda-blocks that were populated at expand-time using an API call
[11:08] <awilkins> Wrote a greasemonkey script that jQueried all the expandablocks and did the API calls for them, logged it to the SQLite database it uses for user persistence
[11:08] <awilkins> Then wrote a script to automate loading all the pages and a script to make the JSON responses into a CSV
[13:08] <knightwise> anyone know anything about W7 partition tables ?
[13:15] <KrisDouglas> knightwise, what's the issue?
[14:49] <directhex> knightwise: ?
[15:04] <davmor2> DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY-O,  DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY-O, daylight come and me wanna go home
[15:17]  * zmoylan-pi hands davmor2 a banana
[16:00] <daftykins> i see the myrttis are carrying on :P
[16:02] <zmoylan-pi> ♪ daylight come and she wanna log in... ♫
[16:02] <daftykins> day-oooo!
[16:09]  * diddledan wanders in
[16:09] <daftykins> oh, it's you!
[16:10] <diddledan> it is?
[16:10] <diddledan> omg!
[16:10] <diddledan> shoo!
[16:10] <diddledan> get out!
[16:10] <daftykins> well i thought i'd better look at the income tax return online site
[16:10] <diddledan> eep
[16:10] <daftykins> and sure enough no idea what the login details are, so i guess that's another year waiting for them to be posted (no really)
[16:10] <diddledan> oh dear :-(
[16:11] <diddledan> the british use a random number for the self-assessment login
[16:11] <daftykins> o0
[16:11] <diddledan> i.e. you have to know the random number AND your complex password
[16:11] <diddledan> you can't replace the number with something like a nickname
[16:11] <daftykins> Myrtti: sort out your connection for the love of Tux!
[16:12] <diddledan> so my login id is something like 1234567890 and my password
[16:12] <daftykins> apparently i have a 'memorable word'
[16:12] <diddledan> no way am I remembering that number
[16:13] <zmoylan-pi> is it the name of that place in wales with longest name and the entry field only takes 20 characters? :-)
[16:13] <diddledan> lol
[16:13] <diddledan> llanfair-pg
[16:13] <diddledan> (abbrv)
[16:13] <daftykins> he speaks their tongue!
[16:14] <diddledan> I can say a fairly good rendition of it too
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> or the random number is iota and you're trying to work out how to put sqr(-1) into a numbers only box?
[16:22] <daftykins> holy moly i'm in!
[16:23] <diddledan> OMG J00 HAXX0R
[16:24] <zmoylan-pi> that or it's a fake site looking to collect his info...
[16:24] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: be honest, you seek those out to give the crooks duff-gen (bad info)
[16:25]  * zmoylan-pi signs diddledan up to a bunch of ashley madison related sites... :-)
[16:26] <diddledan> meh, I'm already there :-p
[16:26] <daftykins> take that, gibson
[17:23] <daftykins> mother kins would like to know how one obtains a # on a mac? :S
[17:23] <daftykins> http://kb.parallels.com/Attachments/19485/Images/wireless-british.jpg
[17:24] <diddledan> alt+3
[17:24] <daftykins> certainly that horrid little fellow doesn't give it up o0
[17:24] <daftykins> o rly
[17:26] <daftykins> i have passed that on, ty sir
[17:26] <daftykins> though she called it 'hashtag' so i'm still cringing
[17:32] <diddledan> eep
[17:32] <diddledan> at least it's not a "poundtag"
[17:33] <diddledan> if the americans had named it then that's what they'd have called it (when used how twitter uses it)
[17:33] <daftykins> indeed, i was just ribbing the americans about that
[17:45] <diddledan> this looks awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yzo-QwwWjk
[18:00] <daftykins> hmm don't know anything about them folk
[18:20] <diddledan> http://www.windowscentral.com/google-working-fix-chrome-crashes-windows-10 yey ms broke sh....t
[18:24] <neuro> floofen haffen
[18:24] <diddledan> ohdear: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34007859
[18:25] <neuro> i have rediscovered IRC on the Mac ... be afraid
[18:26] <shauno> hm, javascript anyone? ;)  how do I reference an object's member by a variable?  like I want to do something.$id=, so if $id was 'bob' I'd be hitting something.bob
[18:26] <diddledan> shauno: use array notation
[18:27] <neuro> or don't use javascript at all
[18:27] <neuro> jpc
[18:27] <diddledan> object['member'+id]
[18:27] <shauno> if not using javascript was an option, my day would have gone much, much better :)
[18:27] <diddledan> or even in your case object[id]
[18:28] <shauno> woah, that actually works
[18:28] <diddledan> something[id] == something.bob when id=bob
[18:28] <shauno> I actually ditched arrays because I couldn't figure out how to push arrays with a key->value mess
[18:29] <diddledan> o_O
[18:29] <shauno> but pretending an object is still an array seems to work.  this language is designed to hurt
[18:29] <neuro> which was kinda my point ;)
[18:30] <diddledan> arrays and objects are essentially the same thing in javascript
[18:31] <neuro> they're both evil
[18:31] <diddledan> I discovered coffeescript outputs really nice code yesterday
[18:32] <davmor2> diddledan: Liar
[18:32]  * neuro wanders off to find sustenance
[18:32] <davmor2> diddledan: if you'd of said distinctly average I could of believed you ;)
[18:35] <diddledan> I kinda think this is really quite elegant: https://github.com/diddledan/circ/blob/native-tls/package/bin/net/ssl_socket.js
[18:39] <popey> hello neuro
[18:39]  * diddledan neurolises everyone
[18:54] <diddledan> time to watch mr robot
[18:57] <daftykins> domo arigato
[19:01] <neuro> evenin mr popey
[19:01] <popey> hows tricks?
[19:01] <neuro> not bad
[19:01] <neuro> currently on a forced vacation
[19:01] <neuro> as in "you have 25 days to take before the end of the year, TAKE HOLIDAYS!"
[19:02] <neuro> totally forgot to take any days off this year
[19:02] <diddledan> neuro: that's crazy
[19:02] <neuro> i know, right?
[19:03] <neuro> i'm loving my job though
[19:03] <diddledan> neuro: surely they'd prefer you actually earnt them money
[19:03] <neuro> ?
[19:03] <neuro> you'd rather work for a company that didn't care if you took time off or not?
[19:04] <diddledan> it's a fine line
[19:04] <Pendulum> neuro: do they need to pay you the vacation time at the end of the year if you don't take it?
[19:04] <neuro> no
[19:04] <neuro> i can carry 5 days
[19:04] <neuro> i'd lose the rest
[19:51] <diddledan> this is getting silly: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/20/google-ordered-to-remove-links-to-stories-about-right-to-be-forgotten-removals
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> we should build a monument or paint a list of the urls and see if they try and censor art :-)
[19:53] <diddledan> I don't get how something that is on public record is allowed to be censured
[19:54] <zmoylan-pi> we do allow injunctions to keep things out of the media.  uk also has super injunctions which are legendary for their tell no one anything
[19:55] <diddledan> I mean what if I specifically wanted to find out about said person's criminal conviction?
[19:55] <diddledan> I can't because it's hidden
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> then if it's covered by the injunction you lose some info
[19:55] <diddledan> yeah but these right to be forgotten requests aren't being superinjuncted
[19:56] <zmoylan-pi> unless of course you have a mate in the know who supplies the info under the table
[19:56] <diddledan> it's about random person in the street who I want to find out what the crime was they alluded to in conversation
[19:56] <diddledan> they've previously filed a right to be forgotten and so I can't find out about it
[19:57] <diddledan> but the right to be forgotten isn't stripping the public records available at county records offices
[19:57] <zmoylan-pi> it's getting to the point you'll need to pull down a yearly wikipedia, plus news articles of home country just to have an untampered local record
[19:57] <diddledan> so I can go there and find out anyway
[19:59] <maps> hm
[19:59] <maps> off to pizza express
[19:59] <maps> never been before
[19:59] <maps> better or worse than dominos?
[19:59] <directhex> maps: much better
[20:00] <maps> ;D
[20:03] <diddledan> gotta love network gear: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CdrKLotRRCM/VdXwUo6X5II/AAAAAAAAD3A/jUzE40ev1rk/s1600/171351.jpg
[20:10] <directhex> diddledan: ooh, a fancy router!
[20:14] <zmoylan-pi> is that the one with the fingerprint reader? :-)
[20:16]  * neuro pokes at php things with sticks
[20:19] <neuro> it's like a love-hate relationship
[20:20] <neuro> i know it's evil, but it's the easiest thing i know to use to lash websites together
[20:20] <neuro> since i'm not actually a dev by trade
[20:21] <diddledan> neuro: use a cms :-p
[20:21] <neuro> na
[20:21] <neuro> too much hassle
[20:21] <neuro> it's a simple site, just list a bunch of software, give some info about it, and do some download links
[20:22] <neuro> i'd spend weeks trying to get wp or similar to do the same thing
[20:22] <neuro> and don't get me started on drupal
[20:22] <diddledan> well yeah, drupal is a pig
[20:22] <neuro> yup
[20:23] <neuro> we use it at $work
[20:23] <diddledan> wordpress however I lurve
[20:23] <directhex> <3 wordpress
[20:23] <neuro> i like it too, i use it for my blog (which i put a lovely new theme on a cpl weeks ago) but it's too heavy for this thing i'm doing just now
[20:26] <zmoylan-pi> and it NEVER has security problems... :-P
[20:28] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: it has known, patched security problems. how many security issues are there in $obscure or "homegrown CMS?
[20:28] <directhex> $]
[20:28] <directhex> dsfiouphagdefr[80o9hygt5r4ae8uyp9[
[20:29] <diddledan> kittenattack?
[20:31] <m6lpi> Or lack of coffee
[20:33] <diddledan> or maybe just giving up on life?
[20:36] <directhex> all of the above!
[20:54] <diddledan> a programmer's horror movie character? https://instagram.com/p/6nopsvj2Vg/
[20:57] <zmoylan-pi> this goes out to those that want to save a few bob on electrician... :-) http://img.pr0gramm.com/2014/06/17/8eacd433a8e24de5.jpg
[21:05] <diddledan> lol @ the a-v alert
[21:06] <diddledan> (350amp)
[21:09] <zmoylan-pi> installed by rick o'shea :-)
[21:50] <neuro> my watch wants me to stand up
[21:50] <diddledan> your watch is fruity?
[21:50] <neuro> tis
[21:50] <shauno> heh, that always makes me chuckle too.  especially when it celebrates that I took enough smoke breaks
[21:50] <neuro> :)
[21:51] <diddledan> I like that supposedly in apple board meetings suddenly everyone stands up
[21:51] <neuro> at different times
[21:51] <neuro> in order
[21:51] <neuro> like a slow, unfun mexican wave
[21:52] <daftykins> lots of "aaaaaaah" going on
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> what if someone fly in from different time zone? :-)
[21:52] <neuro> i don't mind it so much, but you'd think that when going 70mph, it wouldn't hassle you
[21:53] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: they're still at the airport setting the time
[21:53] <neuro> "oh thanks, watch, let me just stand up INSIDE MY CAR WHILE I'M DRIVING IT"
[21:53] <neuro> daftykins: time is set from the phone, which is set from the network
[21:53] <zmoylan-pi> honestly officer, i had to stand on my seat with head out sun roof and foot on steering wheel...
[21:53] <neuro> BECAUSE WATCH
[21:55] <daftykins> i'm joking :)
[21:55] <neuro> i know
[21:55] <neuro> it was a crap joke ;)
[21:55] <daftykins> what if the phone is off to comply with flight regs!
[21:56] <zmoylan-pi> what if they're a clueless user who set phone up wrong?
[21:56] <daftykins> which is pretty likely
[21:57] <shauno> you turn the phone on when you land, it finds a network and bam.  it's not complex :p
[21:57] <neuro> daftykins: interesting point, i assume there's a quartz timer inside to keep time while offnet
[21:57] <neuro> zmoylan-pi: there's not much to go wrong
[21:57] <neuro> the watch talks to the phone over bluetooth-le
[21:57]  * zmoylan-pi suspects neuro hasn't worked tech support...
[21:57] <shauno> apple's seems to use wifi too, which surprised me
[21:57] <neuro> it gets time from (as i understand it) NTP, cellular and GPS/GLONASS time sync
[21:58] <neuro> zmoylan-pi: wut? try me
[21:58] <zmoylan-pi> my printer isn't printing... what's wrong neuro?
[21:58] <diddledan> I recall someone moaning that they said in the keynote that it will be accurate to within x of a second - the person didn't seem to grok that they were stating a maximum offset from canonical time rather than drift
[21:58] <neuro> check paper
[21:58] <neuro> check cables
[21:58] <neuro> check toner/carts
[21:58] <neuro> check network
[21:58] <neuro> check drivers
[21:59] <neuro> check for paper jam
[21:59] <neuro> etc etc
[21:59] <zmoylan-pi> you forgot to check if they had printer in first place :-)
[21:59] <neuro> [swear]
[21:59] <daftykins> please say that has never happened?
[21:59] <zmoylan-pi> or electricity. or a computer...
[21:59] <zmoylan-pi> it has
[21:59] <neuro> "my printer" implies LYING
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> they assumed buying a computer with word processing software was enough to do printing
[22:00] <neuro> in fairness, i've never worked public facing first line
[22:00] <shauno> why else would it have a print button?
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> so you've never worked full stupidity tech suppoty :-)
[22:01] <neuro> i've never been that hard up / desperate / lunatic
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> the time it took best part of an hour to work out what size floppies the customer wanted to order...
[22:01] <daftykins> isn't private support just the same, only with suited/dressed folk who get angry for you "making them feel stupid" ?
[22:02]  * neuro sticks the Total Recall soundtrack on, because GOLDSMITH
[22:02] <neuro> daftykins: there are less variables involved
[22:02] <neuro> in theory, you've deployed the infra, so there's only so many different configs to manage, and thus you know (to an extent) what the caller has on their desk
[22:03] <shauno> my strangest support call is still the australian who didn't mention the fire until we asked him
[22:03] <zmoylan-pi> the people who type in wrong passwords as they don't like the ones they've been given and then wonder why they can't log in
[22:03] <zmoylan-pi> the time i was asked to help a customer install a modem and wasn't told until 15 minutes in that the customer was blind...
[22:03] <neuro> my favourite was a typing pool secretary whose keyboard we had to replace 3 times
[22:04] <shauno> I mean, we took his name, number, company name, serial number, contract number.  and then asked him what the issue was.  it was on fire.
[22:04] <neuro> because she typed so fast and with such ferocity that they keys lost their labels
[22:04] <neuro> she could type just fine, but any time she was off, the temp replacing her couldn't handle the near-blank keyboard
[22:04] <neuro> and this was way before the hacker keyboard came out ;)
[22:04] <daftykins> shauno: O_O what was 'it' ?
[22:05] <shauno> a rather large ups
[22:05] <neuro> ouch
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> a mate who had to drive around to a video shop as he couldn't get the staff member to type 2 lines 1) cd \video 2) video after an hour of instructions over the phone
[22:05] <shauno> (one rack tall and 8 racks wide)
[22:05] <daftykins> O_O
[22:05] <daftykins> that must be a fun flame
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> the same person who had to have a cleaner restrain a manager who kept picking up the phone when we wanted him to let the modem pick up the line
[22:06] <diddledan> you'd think clearing the building would be more important than claiming the repair while it's still burning
[22:06] <neuro> if it wasn't in a room with fire suppression, then that's just sheer mentalness
[22:06] <shauno> yeah.  the fire dept was our recommendation too
[22:06] <zmoylan-pi> the pizza shop who rang computer tech support as they couldn't find the cheese in the stock room
[22:06] <neuro> why am i now thinking of Moss from The IT Crowd, emailing the fire brigade about a fire in the office
[22:06] <zmoylan-pi> an actual out of cheese error :-)
[22:07] <neuro> "not much call for it round here"
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[22:07] <neuro> I'm liking this IRC client so far
[22:08] <neuro> Textual, in case anyone's wondering
[22:08] <diddledan> aha
[22:08] <diddledan> yeah that's not bad
[22:08] <neuro> 4 quid off the app store
[22:08] <shauno> lol, one of us, one of us!
[22:08] <neuro> hehe
[22:08] <neuro> remember, i'm the guy who repeatedly badmouths ubuntu desktop in here ;)
[22:08] <diddledan> just out of curiosity, how many of the regulars in here are actually driving an ubuntu desktop? :-p
[22:09] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[22:09] <neuro> i'm going to say it's a skewed sample
[22:09] <zmoylan-pi> xubuntu mind
[22:09] <neuro> well at least you don't have unity ;)
[22:09] <zmoylan-pi> and a raspian sitting in kitchen for irc, rss
[22:09] <diddledan> I mean, we've got me and daftykins on windas, shauno and neuro on os x
[22:09] <diddledan> me also on os x when I feel like a change
[22:10] <daftykins> though to add fun to the mix i'm typing from irssi on an ubuntu server VM 8)
[22:10] <zmoylan-pi> plus an olpc, 1 hp netbook also running xubuntu in 1gb of ram plus new laptop still win8.1 but will be dual booting linux or wiped 100% for linux depending on how it annoys me
[22:10] <diddledan> daftykins: that doesn't count :-p
[22:10] <neuro> don't get me wrong, i'm doing the same (irssi on vm, ssh proxy from mac to vm)
[22:10] <zmoylan-pi> i also have 2 mac minis but they haven't been turned on in 3-4 years
[22:10]  * neuro counts ...
[22:11] <neuro> 5 macs and 2 windows
[22:11] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: sounds safest ;)
[22:11] <neuro> 2 unboxed pis in the house and a play pi sitting in the office
[22:11] <neuro> sitting next to the two macs on my desk
[22:11] <zmoylan-pi> and then for mobile i have 1 android tablet, 1 iphone 3g, 1 android qwerty phone, 2 symbian qwerty phones, 1 nokia feature phone and 1 samsung feature phone.
[22:12] <shauno> and a paaartridge ..
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> whoops, plus 2 spare qwerty feature phones
[22:12] <neuro> i find it easier just to do this: http://neuro.me.uk/tech/
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> oh and an ancient shipped with donut android phone
[22:13] <neuro> not quite up to date, but close enough
[22:13] <zmoylan-pi> and a new pi 2 i haven't set up yet
[22:13] <zmoylan-pi> and if you gave me a few days notice i could probably build a few pcs from parts lying around :-)
[22:14] <neuro> "build" a pc ... i haven't done that in yeeeeears
[22:14] <neuro> OK, WHO'S RUNNING WINDOWS 10?!?
[22:14] <diddledan> neuro: I like that nice high-res header image
[22:14] <daftykins> why ever not? :)
[22:15] <neuro> diddledan: nice theme, innit?
[22:15]  * daftykins has two machines with 10 and has infected a friend too
[22:15] <shauno> I tried, but I still can't get my memory chips working properly
[22:15] <neuro> sorry, reason i blurted that out is that i'm log watching
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> you know how it is, you had a symbian phone, it would suggest an update, the pc you had wouldn't do it so you'd build a new one to update software and the longest part was still updating the nokia software... :-)
[22:15] <diddledan> oops
[22:15] <neuro> [IP REDACTED] - - [20/Aug/2015:22:14:32 +0000] "GET /tech/ HTTP/1.1" 200 10059 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0"
[22:15] <diddledan> yeah that'll be me
[22:15] <neuro> tee hee
[22:15] <neuro> busted
[22:16] <neuro> ... even though you admitted to it 6 minutes ago
[22:17] <neuro> how you finding it?
[22:17] <neuro> win10 that is
[22:17] <neuro> i installed it on a VM then went off work and haven't played with it yet
[22:17] <daftykins> it's lovely, lighter than even 7 was
[22:18] <neuro> cool
[22:18] <neuro> we're probably going to deploy it at work for all the non-mac people (obv)
[22:18] <diddledan> I don't mind it though I'm annoyed that I hit an api limitation that I moaned to daftykins about the other day - path length is restricted to 260 chars
[22:18] <neuro> win7ent just now
[22:18] <daftykins> you do have to disable a lot as it comes out of the box, for example it shares windows updates to the internet if you don't change it
[22:18] <neuro> yeah, i spotted that one
[22:18] <neuro> OFF!
[22:18] <daftykins> i like LAN only though, i've wanted that for years
[22:18] <zmoylan-pi> it'll be fun in a few months when other folk see their data caps blown wide open
[22:19] <daftykins> only one box downloading would be neat
[22:19] <neuro> even os x doesn't do that
[22:19] <shauno> you mean like squid-deb-proxy?
[22:19] <daftykins> that'll only happen for people that haven't set their connections as being metered
[22:19] <neuro> you need to spend the 13 quid for os x server to get that functionality
[22:19] <daftykins> so, newbies
[22:19] <neuro> i don't believe in metered connections any more
[22:19] <zmoylan-pi> i used to download all the mac updates to one mac mini and then burn them to dvd for my brother out in the boonies
[22:19] <daftykins> :D
[22:19] <neuro> unlimited sky vdsl, unlimited bt vdsl and unlimited 3 3G/4G
[22:20] <neuro> and my 3 tariff is the old one plan that lets you tether unlimited too
[22:20] <daftykins> amusingly Guernsey broadband has no FUP but Jersey does
[22:20] <neuro> they'll take my sim out of my cold dead fingers
[22:20]  * daftykins makes a rude gesture towards the coast of Jersey
[22:20] <neuro> jersey loves you too
[22:20] <daftykins> haha grandfathered in eh
[22:20] <neuro> indeed
[22:21] <neuro> luckily i've stopped getting subsidised handsets, so if/when i bump my iphone up, tariff won't change
[22:21] <neuro> i have a feeling if i said "hey, 3, can i get a lovely iphone from you guys?" they'd change my plan to the non-unlimited tethering thingy
[22:21] <neuro> so, forget that
[22:21] <neuro> also, it's only 15 quid a month
[22:21] <neuro> FIFTEEN QUID!
[22:22] <daftykins> daym
[22:22] <daftykins> we don't have you telcos down here :)
[22:22] <daftykins> phones are retail unlocked
[22:22] <neuro> the only duff bit is that my house is like a faraday cage, so the signal is awful on all networks, but i have one of those dinky home signal thingies
[22:23] <neuro> oh here's a fun fact i found out when shopping for an unlocked iphone
[22:23] <neuro> if you buy an iphone off-network from carphone warehouse, it locks itself to the network of the first sim you boot it up with
[22:23] <neuro> you can only get proper unlocked iphones direct from the mothership
[22:23] <neuro> err, apple
[22:25] <diddledan> HAH, I've still got one of those logitech quickcam thingies around here, too
[22:25] <diddledan> ref: http://neuro.me.uk/pics/2004/01/09_dsltech/?01/DSC01758.JPG
[22:25] <neuro> ooh me too, somewhere
[22:25] <neuro> oh right lol
[22:25] <diddledan> :-p
[22:26] <neuro> those pics are aaaaaaaaaaancient
[22:26] <neuro> that awful 10/100 switch has been replaced by an hp 16 port gig thing
[22:26] <neuro> in fact ...
[22:26] <neuro> hmmm ...
[22:27] <daftykins> ubuntu 14.04 with no traceroute installed as default, wat
[22:27] <neuro> wat?
[22:28] <neuro> no comprendo
[22:28] <diddledan> awesome, I've got one of those froggy adsl modems, too: http://neuro.me.uk/pics/2002/05/study.rewire/?01/DCP_0013.JPG
[22:28] <daftykins> (desktop VM)
[22:28] <neuro> wat? that's mental
[22:28] <neuro> mtr should be installed tho
[22:28] <daftykins> ah yes 'tis
[22:28] <daftykins> haha those were the first things given out for the local ADSL when it launched
[22:29] <neuro> yup, which is probably why i have a photo of one
[22:29] <daftykins> i remember XP machines connected with that getting hit by msblast within seconds of connecting, before XP SP whatever added firewalls as default
[22:29] <neuro> yeah, mine was hooked up to a smoothwal
[22:29] <neuro> s/wal/wall/
[22:29] <daftykins> same!
[22:29] <daftykins> mgmt.o :)
[22:30] <neuro> ah, good old smoothwall (bleh)
[22:30] <daftykins> once it hit v3 that firmware no longer worked :(
[22:30] <neuro> although if you still had ADSLv1 when sw3 came out ...
[22:30] <daftykins> ooh those SFF compaqs you have down there on the left, i had a couple of those
[22:31] <neuro> "have"
[22:31] <neuro> do you see how old those photos are?
[22:31] <neuro> those suckers were WEEEd a long time ago
[22:31] <diddledan> I bet they didn't work after you weed on them
[22:31] <daftykins> well, i consider 'have' as in 'have in the picture' but i suppose we could jump all over minor things
[22:32] <daftykins> perhaps we could later discuss some spelling and grammar to go full aspie whilst we're at it? :)
[22:32] <diddledan> while**
[22:32] <diddledan> whilst is archaic
[22:32] <daftykins> :D
[22:32] <daftykins> is it :(
[22:32] <daftykins> maybe us rock dwellers are :(
[22:33] <diddledan> there is technically no difference between meanings despite what people seem to think :-p
[22:34]  * neuro is trying to find more recent pics ;)
[22:34] <diddledan> lol
[22:34] <daftykins> i was chatting to a mate about what really happens when we recycle CRTs
[22:34] <daftykins> he found an article about a bloke up Manchester way that invented a process to extract the lead from the glass
[22:39] <neuro> aha
[22:39] <neuro> PICS LOCATED!
[22:40] <neuro> waiting ... waiting ...
[22:40] <neuro> 2.6GB of swap in use does not help things, even with a 7200rpm drive
[22:40] <daftykins> this is when you still have all the exact same content except those two compaqs ;)
[22:41] <neuro> http://wpa.io/~neuro/IMG_0825.jpg <- that stack on the left (before 16 port switch bought)
[22:42] <neuro> http://wpa.io/~neuro/IMG_0736.jpg <- and the whole desk
[22:45] <neuro> i see my awesome tech has rendered you all speechless
[22:45] <neuro> ;)
[22:47] <daftykins> the... the clutter ;_;
[22:47] <neuro> yeah, well ... :D
[22:47] <neuro> i've been in this house for nearly 15 yrs
[22:48] <neuro> plenty of time to gunk up my office
[22:48] <shauno> why does that kinda remind me of the mid-90s
[22:48] <neuro> lol
[22:48] <neuro> i'm overdue to gut this place out and rewire to be honest
[22:48] <neuro> that desk fan is dead, i want to gut out the cabling, i want to replace the desk ...
[22:48] <shauno> I like the airduster.  god loves an optimist
[22:48] <neuro> lol
[22:49] <neuro> i want a new monitor for the pc too
[22:49] <neuro> 22" 1080p sucks
[22:49] <neuro> also it's a samsung, and i've gone right off samsung kit
[22:49] <shauno> I think mine's 1024x768 still.  or it's 1280xsummat and I'm driving it at 1024
[22:49] <neuro> i don't even know what this apple 27" thing is ...
[22:50] <neuro> oh
[22:50] <neuro> 2560 x 1440
[22:51] <neuro> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3upcgkmufsk1p77/Screenshot%202015-08-20%2023.51.26.png?dl=0
[22:51] <neuro> :)
[22:51] <neuro> MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF STARS
[22:55] <daftykins> neuro: how have you found those netgear NASs vs. the Synology?
[22:55] <neuro> i use the synology just for iscsi -> esxi
[22:55] <daftykins> that looks like one of the dell inspiron 3000 series i'd bought a pair of for a client too
[22:55] <daftykins> she managed to lose one o0
[22:56] <neuro> i've got another readynas (a 304) upstairs as i ran out of room
[22:56] <neuro> daftykins: it's a vostro 3550
[22:56] <daftykins> that's the one, not inspiron
[22:56] <daftykins> a clients employee turfed some wine over one once
[22:56] <daftykins> that was fun
[22:56] <neuro> wheee
[22:57] <neuro> a scotlugger spilt a pint of beer over my latitude x300 years ago
[22:57] <neuro> stuck it out for a while with an external keyb
[22:57] <daftykins> ooh-err, did you kill him where he stood?
[22:57] <neuro> eventually phoned up dell saying "errr, keyb fail"
[22:57] <neuro> they replaced it the next day
[22:57] <neuro> i didn't say anything about the beer
[22:58] <neuro> i would have killed him, but a) public place (literally, since it was a pub) and b) his face was like "ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my god"
[22:58] <neuro> loved that laptop
[22:58] <neuro> probably the last thing i ran full fat ubuntu on
[23:04] <neuro> i have a sudden craving for a dymo omega embossing label maker
[23:08] <daftykins> :)
[23:08] <daftykins> i had to extract a label from a dymo's roller the other day, someone thinks a small child has been getting into the office :(
[23:09] <daftykins> a possible first of many i suspect
[23:09] <neuro> people at home = normal and careful
[23:09] <neuro> people at work = crazy and destructive
[23:09] <daftykins> :D amusingly this is the combo of the two, a guy who works from home whose young son is getting to the age of terrorising things
[23:10] <neuro> i've lost count the amount of times i've moaned about our main meeting room TV getting left on instead of being put into standby
[23:10] <daftykins> likes walking up to it and pressing the button that makes a single label wind out apparently
[23:10] <neuro> nice
[23:10] <daftykins> mmm i don't like waste like that
[23:12] <daftykins> heh friend in Texas just asked me to look up service status for the broadband in her area
[23:13] <daftykins> you need to log in via a smartphone app or the website, madness
[23:27] <neuro> stupid sky
[23:28] <daftykins> o0
[23:31] <neuro> also stupid pfsense, didn't failover to BT properly for some reason
[23:31] <daftykins> ah a friend was just helping me get a pfsense VM going to test routing some traffic via a VPN
[23:31] <daftykins> (for an xbox, so no client :D )
[23:32] <neuro> eeshk
[23:32] <neuro> the shenanigans i had to go through to get open NAT on my xbox one ...
[23:32] <daftykins> hahaha
[23:32] <daftykins> UPnP \o/
[23:34] <neuro> shyeah right
[23:34] <neuro> and monkeys might fly out of my butt
[23:34] <daftykins> i figure you mean it was fun because of your setup
[23:34] <daftykins> always been fine here with UPnP on consumer routers
[23:34] <daftykins> 360, One... just dandy
[23:34] <neuro> yeah, pfsense shenanigans
[23:35] <neuro> ended up being an outbound NAT rule that was needed
[23:35] <daftykins> hrmm yep i get the odd drop pinging google UK and an IP at my ISP if i'm downloading at high speed
[23:35] <neuro> which was weird, because it was fine for a while (i got my xbox one on day one) but in november i was checking it and nat wasn't open any more
[23:36] <daftykins> hrmm
[23:41] <neuro> it is now though
[23:42] <daftykins> i quite enjoy the xbox streaming to win10
[23:42] <neuro> haven't tried it yet
[23:42] <neuro> my boss has
[23:43] <daftykins> they just enabled the 1080p/60 option too
[23:43] <neuro> my main concern is that remotely switching on the xbox will switch everything else on too
[23:43] <daftykins> got an AVR?
[23:43] <neuro> i have it configured to switch on my sky box and tv when it switches on
[23:43] <neuro> no
[23:43] <daftykins> ah
[23:43] <neuro> thought about it in the xbox 360 days
[23:43] <daftykins> i don't use the instan on mode, so pop down to fire it up
[23:43] <neuro> when i was using sky go a lot
[23:44] <neuro> apparently hdcp doesn't pass through AVRs
[23:44] <neuro> so i dinged that idea
[23:44] <daftykins> sure it does
[23:44] <neuro> and i have my sky hd box connected to the xbox one, so more hdcp involved
[23:44] <daftykins> nothing would work if it didn't
[23:44] <neuro> it didn't when i was looking
[23:44] <neuro> games generally don't need hdcp
[23:44] <neuro> but protected video wants it
[23:44] <daftykins> i wouldn't even consider it for games
[23:44] <neuro> e.g. sky go
[23:45] <neuro> we're talking about the same hdcp, right?
[23:45] <daftykins> the DRM component hopefully
[23:45] <neuro> ja
[23:45] <neuro> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP
[23:45] <daftykins> which use case though? because for an AVR to not allow say, a bluray player to function would be a pretty big fail
[23:46] <neuro> i asked hauppauge about theirs and they said it didn't pass through hdcp
[23:46] <neuro> dude
[23:46] <neuro> i thought you meant av recorder
[23:46] <neuro> not receiver
[23:46] <daftykins> XD
[23:46] <daftykins> as in like a VCR?
[23:47] <neuro> no like those game recordy things that you hook up to a pc or mac to record gaming stuff
[23:47] <neuro> i DO have an AVR, but it's an old one (~2007), so no HDMI
[23:47] <neuro> i use an HDMI switch with optical ports
[23:47] <neuro> although i only use it to switch from sky/xbox one to mac
[23:47] <neuro> for some plex goodness
[23:48] <neuro> ah
[23:48] <neuro> http://www.tvcables.co.uk/images/items/thor-hdc100-hdmi-switch.jpg
[23:48] <neuro> that's the bunny
[23:49] <neuro> connected to this bad boy
[23:49] <neuro> http://assets.zensoft.net/neuro.me.uk/tech/Sony_STR-K880.jpg
[23:50] <neuro> ooh i have some wp updates
[23:50] <neuro> "An updated version of WordPress is available."
[23:50] <neuro> OF COURSE IT IS
[23:50] <daftykins> hmm not very lounge design friendly :D
[23:51] <neuro> sits in the corner with some obsolete tech on top
[23:51] <neuro> sony vcr and pioneer dvd player
[23:51] <neuro> neither have been turned on in years
[23:51] <neuro> $ svn switch http://core.svn.wordpress.org/tags/4.3.0 ... tee hee
[23:52] <neuro> d'oh, no .0
[23:54] <neuro> VERY old pic: https://www.flickr.com/photos/neuro/2384734720
[23:57] <daftykins> crikey
[23:59] <zmoylan-pi> wow just a few weeks back i took vcr and dvd player for recycling
[23:59] <zmoylan-pi> haven't had a tv since 2008 :-)