[00:06] aha, win10 is done upgrading [00:12] * popey looks at Myrtti and Myrtti__2 and Myrtti__3 and Myrtti__4 as well as Myrtti__1 and Myrtti___ [00:12] popey: manymyrrti! [00:13] spelign [00:23] some one got their cloning research finished :-) [00:27] So that's why she went to California. [00:28] Cloning experiments [00:59] * zmoylan-pi hums stop the Myrtti [01:01] *facepalm* [01:01] not the best of examples for a staffer to give :P [01:20] they've raised a large enough myrtti army and are now out terrorising the city [01:21] or at least those parts of it that have moomins :-) [02:37] anyone know of a good syslog viewer.. specifically web based? [04:38] m0nkey_: logstash/kibana? (java alert) [04:53] morning everyone [05:06] * knightwise just switched to Gnome Shell on his XPS13. [05:23] hi all [05:23] just home from work:D [05:24] hey maps [05:24] so , been fun cleaning the batmobile ? (obviously that is the only job you can do at night) [05:24] or you ARE batman [05:27] haha [05:27] work for a gambling company [05:27] not batman [05:27] ;] [05:28] aha [05:28] maintenance night ? [05:28] trading dept [05:35] cool . But that explains why you are such a nocturnal creature then :) [05:38] ;] [06:50] Good morning :) === richt_ is now known as richt_t [07:04] morning all [08:39] morning boys and girls. [09:00] howdy brobostigon [09:04] hi MooDoo [09:42] Good morning peeps :) [10:05] evening [10:07] Morning bigcalm [10:08] MooDoo: me owld mucka bit of bon jovi today [10:11] davmor2: nice [10:12] MooDoo: it was the mouth harp part of the beginning of blaze of glory that was stuck, just cycling over and over in my head :) [10:42] Now this is a caravan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuAx-QAoSEU [10:51] correct [10:57] screen-scraping some of the ugliest html I've ever seen, $deity preserve me :/ [11:02] Get the regex out! [11:02] You'll hate it, but it will distract you from how much you hate the HTML [11:02] An instance where two problems is better than one [11:02] I have a new fondness for jQuery for that kind of thing TBH [11:03] * popey hugs beautiful soup [11:03] been very handy when I needed to scrape [11:06] Just from it's wikipedia page it looks a bit like how I think of jQuery, possibly [11:06] Had to do some *horrible* scraping recently [11:07] Pages had a bunch of expanda-blocks that were populated at expand-time using an API call [11:08] Wrote a greasemonkey script that jQueried all the expandablocks and did the API calls for them, logged it to the SQLite database it uses for user persistence [11:08] Then wrote a script to automate loading all the pages and a script to make the JSON responses into a CSV [13:08] anyone know anything about W7 partition tables ? [13:15] knightwise, what's the issue? [14:49] knightwise: ? [15:04] DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY-O, DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY-O, daylight come and me wanna go home [15:17] * zmoylan-pi hands davmor2 a banana [16:00] i see the myrttis are carrying on :P [16:02] ♪ daylight come and she wanna log in... ♫ [16:02] day-oooo! [16:09] * diddledan wanders in [16:09] oh, it's you! [16:10] it is? [16:10] omg! [16:10] shoo! [16:10] get out! [16:10] well i thought i'd better look at the income tax return online site [16:10] eep [16:10] and sure enough no idea what the login details are, so i guess that's another year waiting for them to be posted (no really) [16:10] oh dear :-( [16:11] the british use a random number for the self-assessment login [16:11] o0 [16:11] i.e. you have to know the random number AND your complex password [16:11] you can't replace the number with something like a nickname [16:11] Myrtti: sort out your connection for the love of Tux! [16:12] so my login id is something like 1234567890 and my password [16:12] apparently i have a 'memorable word' [16:12] no way am I remembering that number [16:13] is it the name of that place in wales with longest name and the entry field only takes 20 characters? :-) [16:13] lol [16:13] llanfair-pg [16:13] (abbrv) [16:13] he speaks their tongue! [16:14] I can say a fairly good rendition of it too [16:14] or the random number is iota and you're trying to work out how to put sqr(-1) into a numbers only box? [16:22] holy moly i'm in! [16:23] OMG J00 HAXX0R [16:24] that or it's a fake site looking to collect his info... [16:24] zmoylan-pi: be honest, you seek those out to give the crooks duff-gen (bad info) [16:25] * zmoylan-pi signs diddledan up to a bunch of ashley madison related sites... :-) [16:26] meh, I'm already there :-p [16:26] take that, gibson === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:23] mother kins would like to know how one obtains a # on a mac? :S [17:23] http://kb.parallels.com/Attachments/19485/Images/wireless-british.jpg [17:24] alt+3 [17:24] certainly that horrid little fellow doesn't give it up o0 [17:24] o rly [17:26] i have passed that on, ty sir [17:26] though she called it 'hashtag' so i'm still cringing [17:32] eep [17:32] at least it's not a "poundtag" [17:33] if the americans had named it then that's what they'd have called it (when used how twitter uses it) [17:33] indeed, i was just ribbing the americans about that [17:45] this looks awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yzo-QwwWjk [18:00] hmm don't know anything about them folk [18:20] http://www.windowscentral.com/google-working-fix-chrome-crashes-windows-10 yey ms broke sh....t [18:24] floofen haffen [18:24] ohdear: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34007859 [18:25] i have rediscovered IRC on the Mac ... be afraid [18:26] hm, javascript anyone? ;) how do I reference an object's member by a variable? like I want to do something.$id=, so if $id was 'bob' I'd be hitting something.bob [18:26] shauno: use array notation [18:27] or don't use javascript at all [18:27] jpc [18:27] object['member'+id] [18:27] if not using javascript was an option, my day would have gone much, much better :) [18:27] or even in your case object[id] [18:28] woah, that actually works [18:28] something[id] == something.bob when id=bob [18:28] I actually ditched arrays because I couldn't figure out how to push arrays with a key->value mess [18:29] o_O [18:29] but pretending an object is still an array seems to work. this language is designed to hurt [18:29] which was kinda my point ;) [18:30] arrays and objects are essentially the same thing in javascript [18:31] they're both evil [18:31] I discovered coffeescript outputs really nice code yesterday [18:32] diddledan: Liar [18:32] * neuro wanders off to find sustenance [18:32] diddledan: if you'd of said distinctly average I could of believed you ;) [18:35] I kinda think this is really quite elegant: https://github.com/diddledan/circ/blob/native-tls/package/bin/net/ssl_socket.js [18:39] hello neuro [18:39] * diddledan neurolises everyone [18:54] time to watch mr robot [18:57] domo arigato [19:01] evenin mr popey [19:01] hows tricks? [19:01] not bad [19:01] currently on a forced vacation [19:01] as in "you have 25 days to take before the end of the year, TAKE HOLIDAYS!" [19:02] totally forgot to take any days off this year [19:02] neuro: that's crazy [19:02] i know, right? [19:03] i'm loving my job though [19:03] neuro: surely they'd prefer you actually earnt them money [19:03] ? [19:03] you'd rather work for a company that didn't care if you took time off or not? [19:04] it's a fine line [19:04] neuro: do they need to pay you the vacation time at the end of the year if you don't take it? [19:04] no [19:04] i can carry 5 days [19:04] i'd lose the rest [19:51] this is getting silly: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/20/google-ordered-to-remove-links-to-stories-about-right-to-be-forgotten-removals [19:52] we should build a monument or paint a list of the urls and see if they try and censor art :-) [19:53] I don't get how something that is on public record is allowed to be censured [19:54] we do allow injunctions to keep things out of the media. uk also has super injunctions which are legendary for their tell no one anything [19:55] I mean what if I specifically wanted to find out about said person's criminal conviction? [19:55] I can't because it's hidden [19:55] then if it's covered by the injunction you lose some info [19:55] yeah but these right to be forgotten requests aren't being superinjuncted [19:56] unless of course you have a mate in the know who supplies the info under the table [19:56] it's about random person in the street who I want to find out what the crime was they alluded to in conversation [19:56] they've previously filed a right to be forgotten and so I can't find out about it [19:57] but the right to be forgotten isn't stripping the public records available at county records offices [19:57] it's getting to the point you'll need to pull down a yearly wikipedia, plus news articles of home country just to have an untampered local record [19:57] so I can go there and find out anyway [19:59] hm [19:59] off to pizza express [19:59] never been before [19:59] better or worse than dominos? [19:59] maps: much better [20:00] ;D [20:03] gotta love network gear: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CdrKLotRRCM/VdXwUo6X5II/AAAAAAAAD3A/jUzE40ev1rk/s1600/171351.jpg [20:10] diddledan: ooh, a fancy router! [20:14] is that the one with the fingerprint reader? :-) [20:16] * neuro pokes at php things with sticks [20:19] it's like a love-hate relationship [20:20] i know it's evil, but it's the easiest thing i know to use to lash websites together [20:20] since i'm not actually a dev by trade [20:21] neuro: use a cms :-p [20:21] na [20:21] too much hassle [20:21] it's a simple site, just list a bunch of software, give some info about it, and do some download links [20:22] i'd spend weeks trying to get wp or similar to do the same thing [20:22] and don't get me started on drupal [20:22] well yeah, drupal is a pig [20:22] yup [20:23] we use it at $work [20:23] wordpress however I lurve [20:23] <3 wordpress [20:23] i like it too, i use it for my blog (which i put a lovely new theme on a cpl weeks ago) but it's too heavy for this thing i'm doing just now [20:26] and it NEVER has security problems... :-P [20:28] zmoylan-pi: it has known, patched security problems. how many security issues are there in $obscure or "homegrown CMS? [20:28] $] [20:28] dsfiouphagdefr[80o9hygt5r4ae8uyp9[ [20:29] kittenattack? [20:31] Or lack of coffee [20:33] or maybe just giving up on life? [20:36] all of the above! [20:54] a programmer's horror movie character? https://instagram.com/p/6nopsvj2Vg/ [20:57] this goes out to those that want to save a few bob on electrician... :-) http://img.pr0gramm.com/2014/06/17/8eacd433a8e24de5.jpg [21:05] lol @ the a-v alert [21:06] (350amp) [21:09] installed by rick o'shea :-) [21:50] my watch wants me to stand up [21:50] your watch is fruity? [21:50] tis [21:50] heh, that always makes me chuckle too. especially when it celebrates that I took enough smoke breaks [21:50] :) [21:51] I like that supposedly in apple board meetings suddenly everyone stands up [21:51] at different times [21:51] in order [21:51] like a slow, unfun mexican wave [21:52] lots of "aaaaaaah" going on [21:52] what if someone fly in from different time zone? :-) [21:52] i don't mind it so much, but you'd think that when going 70mph, it wouldn't hassle you [21:53] zmoylan-pi: they're still at the airport setting the time [21:53] "oh thanks, watch, let me just stand up INSIDE MY CAR WHILE I'M DRIVING IT" [21:53] daftykins: time is set from the phone, which is set from the network [21:53] honestly officer, i had to stand on my seat with head out sun roof and foot on steering wheel... [21:53] BECAUSE WATCH [21:55] i'm joking :) [21:55] i know [21:55] it was a crap joke ;) [21:55] what if the phone is off to comply with flight regs! [21:56] what if they're a clueless user who set phone up wrong? [21:56] which is pretty likely [21:57] you turn the phone on when you land, it finds a network and bam. it's not complex :p [21:57] daftykins: interesting point, i assume there's a quartz timer inside to keep time while offnet [21:57] zmoylan-pi: there's not much to go wrong [21:57] the watch talks to the phone over bluetooth-le [21:57] * zmoylan-pi suspects neuro hasn't worked tech support... [21:57] apple's seems to use wifi too, which surprised me [21:57] it gets time from (as i understand it) NTP, cellular and GPS/GLONASS time sync [21:58] zmoylan-pi: wut? try me [21:58] my printer isn't printing... what's wrong neuro? [21:58] I recall someone moaning that they said in the keynote that it will be accurate to within x of a second - the person didn't seem to grok that they were stating a maximum offset from canonical time rather than drift [21:58] check paper [21:58] check cables [21:58] check toner/carts [21:58] check network [21:58] check drivers [21:59] check for paper jam [21:59] etc etc [21:59] you forgot to check if they had printer in first place :-) [21:59] [swear] [21:59] please say that has never happened? [21:59] or electricity. or a computer... [21:59] it has [21:59] "my printer" implies LYING [22:00] they assumed buying a computer with word processing software was enough to do printing [22:00] in fairness, i've never worked public facing first line [22:00] why else would it have a print button? [22:01] so you've never worked full stupidity tech suppoty :-) [22:01] i've never been that hard up / desperate / lunatic [22:01] the time it took best part of an hour to work out what size floppies the customer wanted to order... [22:01] isn't private support just the same, only with suited/dressed folk who get angry for you "making them feel stupid" ? [22:02] * neuro sticks the Total Recall soundtrack on, because GOLDSMITH [22:02] daftykins: there are less variables involved [22:02] in theory, you've deployed the infra, so there's only so many different configs to manage, and thus you know (to an extent) what the caller has on their desk [22:03] my strangest support call is still the australian who didn't mention the fire until we asked him [22:03] the people who type in wrong passwords as they don't like the ones they've been given and then wonder why they can't log in [22:03] the time i was asked to help a customer install a modem and wasn't told until 15 minutes in that the customer was blind... [22:03] my favourite was a typing pool secretary whose keyboard we had to replace 3 times [22:04] I mean, we took his name, number, company name, serial number, contract number. and then asked him what the issue was. it was on fire. [22:04] because she typed so fast and with such ferocity that they keys lost their labels [22:04] she could type just fine, but any time she was off, the temp replacing her couldn't handle the near-blank keyboard [22:04] and this was way before the hacker keyboard came out ;) [22:04] shauno: O_O what was 'it' ? [22:05] a rather large ups [22:05] ouch [22:05] a mate who had to drive around to a video shop as he couldn't get the staff member to type 2 lines 1) cd \video 2) video after an hour of instructions over the phone [22:05] (one rack tall and 8 racks wide) [22:05] O_O [22:05] that must be a fun flame [22:05] the same person who had to have a cleaner restrain a manager who kept picking up the phone when we wanted him to let the modem pick up the line [22:06] you'd think clearing the building would be more important than claiming the repair while it's still burning [22:06] if it wasn't in a room with fire suppression, then that's just sheer mentalness [22:06] yeah. the fire dept was our recommendation too [22:06] the pizza shop who rang computer tech support as they couldn't find the cheese in the stock room [22:06] why am i now thinking of Moss from The IT Crowd, emailing the fire brigade about a fire in the office [22:06] an actual out of cheese error :-) [22:07] "not much call for it round here" [22:07] [22:07] I'm liking this IRC client so far [22:08] Textual, in case anyone's wondering [22:08] aha [22:08] yeah that's not bad [22:08] 4 quid off the app store [22:08] lol, one of us, one of us! [22:08] hehe [22:08] remember, i'm the guy who repeatedly badmouths ubuntu desktop in here ;) [22:08] just out of curiosity, how many of the regulars in here are actually driving an ubuntu desktop? :-p [22:09] o/ [22:09] i'm going to say it's a skewed sample [22:09] xubuntu mind [22:09] well at least you don't have unity ;) [22:09] and a raspian sitting in kitchen for irc, rss [22:09] I mean, we've got me and daftykins on windas, shauno and neuro on os x [22:09] me also on os x when I feel like a change [22:10] though to add fun to the mix i'm typing from irssi on an ubuntu server VM 8) [22:10] plus an olpc, 1 hp netbook also running xubuntu in 1gb of ram plus new laptop still win8.1 but will be dual booting linux or wiped 100% for linux depending on how it annoys me [22:10] daftykins: that doesn't count :-p [22:10] don't get me wrong, i'm doing the same (irssi on vm, ssh proxy from mac to vm) [22:10] i also have 2 mac minis but they haven't been turned on in 3-4 years [22:10] * neuro counts ... [22:11] 5 macs and 2 windows [22:11] zmoylan-pi: sounds safest ;) [22:11] 2 unboxed pis in the house and a play pi sitting in the office [22:11] sitting next to the two macs on my desk [22:11] and then for mobile i have 1 android tablet, 1 iphone 3g, 1 android qwerty phone, 2 symbian qwerty phones, 1 nokia feature phone and 1 samsung feature phone. [22:12] and a paaartridge .. [22:12] whoops, plus 2 spare qwerty feature phones [22:12] i find it easier just to do this: http://neuro.me.uk/tech/ [22:12] oh and an ancient shipped with donut android phone [22:13] not quite up to date, but close enough [22:13] and a new pi 2 i haven't set up yet [22:13] and if you gave me a few days notice i could probably build a few pcs from parts lying around :-) [22:14] "build" a pc ... i haven't done that in yeeeeears [22:14] OK, WHO'S RUNNING WINDOWS 10?!? [22:14] neuro: I like that nice high-res header image [22:14] why ever not? :) [22:15] diddledan: nice theme, innit? [22:15] * daftykins has two machines with 10 and has infected a friend too [22:15] I tried, but I still can't get my memory chips working properly [22:15] sorry, reason i blurted that out is that i'm log watching [22:15] you know how it is, you had a symbian phone, it would suggest an update, the pc you had wouldn't do it so you'd build a new one to update software and the longest part was still updating the nokia software... :-) [22:15] oops [22:15] [IP REDACTED] - - [20/Aug/2015:22:14:32 +0000] "GET /tech/ HTTP/1.1" 200 10059 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0" [22:15] yeah that'll be me [22:15] tee hee [22:15] busted [22:16] ... even though you admitted to it 6 minutes ago [22:17] how you finding it? [22:17] win10 that is [22:17] i installed it on a VM then went off work and haven't played with it yet [22:17] it's lovely, lighter than even 7 was [22:18] cool [22:18] we're probably going to deploy it at work for all the non-mac people (obv) [22:18] I don't mind it though I'm annoyed that I hit an api limitation that I moaned to daftykins about the other day - path length is restricted to 260 chars [22:18] win7ent just now [22:18] you do have to disable a lot as it comes out of the box, for example it shares windows updates to the internet if you don't change it [22:18] yeah, i spotted that one [22:18] OFF! [22:18] i like LAN only though, i've wanted that for years [22:18] it'll be fun in a few months when other folk see their data caps blown wide open [22:19] only one box downloading would be neat [22:19] even os x doesn't do that [22:19] you mean like squid-deb-proxy? [22:19] that'll only happen for people that haven't set their connections as being metered [22:19] you need to spend the 13 quid for os x server to get that functionality [22:19] so, newbies [22:19] i don't believe in metered connections any more [22:19] i used to download all the mac updates to one mac mini and then burn them to dvd for my brother out in the boonies [22:19] :D [22:19] unlimited sky vdsl, unlimited bt vdsl and unlimited 3 3G/4G [22:20] and my 3 tariff is the old one plan that lets you tether unlimited too [22:20] amusingly Guernsey broadband has no FUP but Jersey does [22:20] they'll take my sim out of my cold dead fingers [22:20] * daftykins makes a rude gesture towards the coast of Jersey [22:20] jersey loves you too [22:20] haha grandfathered in eh [22:20] indeed [22:21] luckily i've stopped getting subsidised handsets, so if/when i bump my iphone up, tariff won't change [22:21] i have a feeling if i said "hey, 3, can i get a lovely iphone from you guys?" they'd change my plan to the non-unlimited tethering thingy [22:21] so, forget that [22:21] also, it's only 15 quid a month [22:21] FIFTEEN QUID! [22:22] daym [22:22] we don't have you telcos down here :) [22:22] phones are retail unlocked [22:22] the only duff bit is that my house is like a faraday cage, so the signal is awful on all networks, but i have one of those dinky home signal thingies [22:23] oh here's a fun fact i found out when shopping for an unlocked iphone [22:23] if you buy an iphone off-network from carphone warehouse, it locks itself to the network of the first sim you boot it up with [22:23] you can only get proper unlocked iphones direct from the mothership [22:23] err, apple [22:25] HAH, I've still got one of those logitech quickcam thingies around here, too [22:25] ref: http://neuro.me.uk/pics/2004/01/09_dsltech/?01/DSC01758.JPG [22:25] ooh me too, somewhere [22:25] oh right lol [22:25] :-p [22:26] those pics are aaaaaaaaaaancient [22:26] that awful 10/100 switch has been replaced by an hp 16 port gig thing [22:26] in fact ... [22:26] hmmm ... [22:27] ubuntu 14.04 with no traceroute installed as default, wat [22:27] wat? [22:28] no comprendo [22:28] awesome, I've got one of those froggy adsl modems, too: http://neuro.me.uk/pics/2002/05/study.rewire/?01/DCP_0013.JPG [22:28] (desktop VM) [22:28] wat? that's mental [22:28] mtr should be installed tho [22:28] ah yes 'tis [22:28] haha those were the first things given out for the local ADSL when it launched [22:29] yup, which is probably why i have a photo of one [22:29] i remember XP machines connected with that getting hit by msblast within seconds of connecting, before XP SP whatever added firewalls as default [22:29] yeah, mine was hooked up to a smoothwal [22:29] s/wal/wall/ [22:29] same! [22:29] mgmt.o :) [22:30] ah, good old smoothwall (bleh) [22:30] once it hit v3 that firmware no longer worked :( [22:30] although if you still had ADSLv1 when sw3 came out ... [22:30] ooh those SFF compaqs you have down there on the left, i had a couple of those [22:31] "have" [22:31] do you see how old those photos are? [22:31] those suckers were WEEEd a long time ago [22:31] I bet they didn't work after you weed on them [22:31] well, i consider 'have' as in 'have in the picture' but i suppose we could jump all over minor things [22:32] perhaps we could later discuss some spelling and grammar to go full aspie whilst we're at it? :) [22:32] while** [22:32] whilst is archaic [22:32] :D [22:32] is it :( [22:32]