[01:17] <xubuntu15w> hello
[01:17] <holstein> o/
[01:17] <xubuntu15w> I am very new at this and trying to upgrade
[01:18] <xubuntu15w> A thinkpad T42 from 9.04  Unbuntu to 12.0 gui
[01:19] <xubuntu15w> on restart, I get that
[01:19] <xubuntu15w> "there is a word wrong in header and 'boot:' prompt
[01:24] <xubuntu93w> hello
[01:24] <xubuntu93w> hello
[01:28] <xubuntu93w> need help upgrading older installation. boot files not loading properly.
[01:28] <drc> xubuntu93w: It sounds like you have already tried and things got borked?
[01:30] <xubuntu93w> maybe
[01:30] <drc> maybe? you don't know?
[01:30] <xubuntu93w> getting, "word wrong in header"?
[01:30] <xubuntu93w> boot:
[01:31] <xubuntu93w> can get into and using 9.04 unbuntu gui now
[01:32] <holstein> !eolupgrade
[01:32] <drc> OK. 1) Trying to upgrade from 9,04 is futile. 2) if you did try (as it looks like from your prior posts, then trying to fix things is even more futile.
[01:32] <holstein> i would just fresh install..
[01:32] <holstein> you'll want a backup, regardless..
[01:32] <drc> xubuntu93w: The best thing to do it install uptodate Xubuntu from scratch.
[01:33] <holstein> best/easiest/cleanest/safest..
[01:33] <drc> +fastest :)
[01:33] <xubuntu93w> tried from dvd with above ^^^^results.
[01:33] <drc> xubuntu93w: Tried what?
[01:33] <xubuntu93w> it's a old T42 thinkpad
[01:34] <holstein> xubuntu93w: if you cant get a live DVD to run on the hardware, the upgrade wont work, either
[01:34] <holstein> xubuntu93w: i suggest, load up a 14.04, or 15.04 live iso, and address whatever issues are happening..
[01:34] <holstein> when you get the live iso working on the thinkpad, you can then install
[01:35] <xubuntu93w> can I burn that to thumbd drive?
[01:35] <drc> yes
[01:35] <holstein> xubuntu93w: you are saying, you already did, correct?
[01:36] <xubuntu93w> anyone know where I find 'live' version to load on thumb drive?
[01:36] <holstein> xubuntu93w: its the normal, live installation iso
[01:37] <holstein> xubuntu93w: the installer *is* live.. meaning, you can run it live, before installing. you can burn do DVD, or, dd copy to usb stick
[01:37] <drc> xubuntu93w: it's the same iso for dvd and usb.  Do you need the url again?
[01:37] <holstein> !install
[01:38] <xubuntu93w> I will look at these. Thanks so much
[03:48] <thenewone> Hi
[03:49] <thenewone> there is no bspwm in repo ?
[06:15] <Mirv> knome: xfpanel-switch now at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[06:16] <Mirv> knome: Unit193: the only diff being http://paste.ubuntu.com/12133680/
[06:16] <Mirv> the gtk just because I tried installing it on 14.04 LTS and noticed
[06:18] <Unit193> Mirv: Hello kind sir!
[06:19] <Unit193> Mirv: Thanks muchly!  Though our development channel is #xubuntu-devel, won't get lost as easily.
[06:19] <Mirv> oh, oh :)
[08:58] <DJJeff> I am trying to start xfwm4 with gdb but no luck even tried attaching it to a pid and it locks up
[08:59] <DJJeff> which requires I do CTRL+ALT+1 for tty1 to kill the pid of gdb
[09:02] <DJJeff> trying to get a backtrace from
[09:02] <DJJeff> xfwm4 crashed with sigsegv in set_reload()
[09:06] <DJJeff> this says its a dupe of a private bug?
[09:06] <DJJeff> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/1416818
[09:20] <DJJeff> http://pastebin.com/yp3DaZ8p
[09:21] <DJJeff> contains crash log -- xfwm4 crashed with SIGSEGV in set_reload()
[09:30] <OCP001> Hi!
[09:31] <OCP001> Does Xubuntu 14.04 LTS support UEFI+Secure Boot?
[09:31] <OCP001> I want to install it parallel (on a second HDD) to Windows 8.1 Pro
[10:11] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> hi everyone
[10:12] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> can somebody help me out with my problem in my new xubuntu set up
[10:12] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> i just installed xubuntu 32-bit on my eee pc
[10:13] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> but when i connect my usb hard drive it would not detect it
[10:14] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> does LVM have anything to do with this?as this is the first time i have tried installing a distro with LVM enabled
[10:14] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> the format of my usb hard is in ntfs
[10:18] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> hello?anyone here?
[10:31] <cub> f0xtr0t-qwerty-k, ntfs might be the issue there. I used an eee pc for years before but only used USB drives with FAT32.
[10:34] <cub> f0xtr0t-qwerty-k, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2233326 unless you have already tried that?
[10:40] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> Thanks @cub i'm sure it
[10:41] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> i'm sure it's not the ntfs issue coz before i did a fresh install on my eee pc i was using xubuntu on it with the same hard drive
[10:41] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> the only difference was the LVM enabled feature during the installation
[10:41] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> any idea?
[10:42] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> i actually don't see it in my fdisk -l which worries me
[10:43] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> i could show you the fdisk output if you like
[10:46] <cub> f0xtr0t-qwerty-k, but the previous installation perhaps had the ntfs-3g added already?
[10:47] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> that could be it
[10:47] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> hmm let me check if it is installed
[10:48] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> thanks again cub :D
[10:50] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> welll i could see ntfs-3g is installed
[10:51] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> but i still can't see it in my fdisk output so i can't mount it even with ntfs-3g
[10:51] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> unless i'm missing something hmmm
[10:51] <cub> f0xtr0t-qwerty-k, I'm out then. I was my hope it would be easy. :D
[10:51] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> haha thanks cub for trying i guess ill keep on looking around :D
[10:58] <cub> There are other people here with better knowledge than me so.
[11:02] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> this is the output i got guys
[11:03] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> Disk /dev/sda: 750.2 GB, 750156374016 bytes
[11:03] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 91201 cylinders, total 1465149168 sectors
[11:03] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
[11:03] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
[11:03] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
[11:03] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> Disk identifier: 0x000abb5e
[15:12] <n-iCe> hello guys
[15:12] <n-iCe> I'm thinkin in move to xubuntu
[15:13] <drc> And your question is...?
[15:17] <n-iCe> does it worth it?
[15:17] <n-iCe> :p
[15:17] <knome> n-iCe, you're asking #xubuntu if xubuntu is good?
No, not at all</sarcasm>   Seriously, you come to a Xubuntu support channel and then ask " does it worth it?".
[15:18] <n-iCe> knome: yeah
[15:19] <n-iCe> I bet a lot of you have used xubuntu and are using a different distro
[15:19] <n-iCe> I do it sometimes, because I have good friends in other distro channels :D
[15:19] <n-iCe> But, hell, gonna try it, brb in xubuntu, I'm currently using archlinux + xfce
[15:19] <n-iCe> kisses!
[15:19] <cub> n-iCe, yes. And if you don't like it, install something else.
[15:19] <n-iCe> ok
[15:43] <n-iCe> hello, I'm back in xubuntu, good looking.
[16:27] <RFleming> Greetings!  How does one efficiently use GNU Stow (or any other symlink farm manager) for storing XFCE4 settings (a la dotfile management)?
[16:36] <drc> Seeing as how no one's answering (and I have no idea either), I'd try #gnu...the topic says thst the right place to ask about any gnu-related item.
[16:41] <RFleming> drc, thanks.  I know how to use stow, it's xfce which I'm having issues with as it appears to erase and write new files (breaking my symlinked files).
[16:42] <drc> ah, sorry.
[16:43] <RFleming> drc, no worries :)
[16:46] <drc> Just out of curiosity, what files does it appear to be overwriting?
[16:47] <drc> RFleming: ^^
[16:47] <RFleming> pointers.xml, xfce4-panel.xml
[16:47] <RFleming> xfce4-applications.xml
[16:48] <RFleming> pretty much any file I symlink, then make a change in xfce disappears to be replaced with a new file
[16:48] <RFleming> I was using the stow --adopt option which overwrites existing files with symlinks, but maintains the pre-existing folder structure.
[16:49] <RFleming> I AM using
[16:50] <drc> interesting...well, you aslo might try #xfce.
[16:50] <RFleming> I have posed the question there.  They are... erm... slow to respond there :)
[16:50] <drc> yeah...it's the summer blahs :)
[16:51] <drc> year 'round....
[16:51] <RFleming> I ask because I have my real machine, and several virtual all using xfce, and I'd like them to all behave and look the same. :)
[16:51] <RFleming> drc, they better be working on 4.14 :)
[16:52] <drc> They probably are...and let's hope it doesn't take as long as 4.10->4.12 :)
[16:53] <drc> That was long.
[17:01] <RFleming> looks like 4.14 isn't a huge update
[17:03] <RFleming> It's a large undertaking yes.  The focus is moving to gtk+3 and replace dbus with gdbus
[17:03] <RFleming> https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.14/roadmap for those who are interested
[17:04] <drc> No idea, my involvement is limited to asking "Is it soup yet?".
[17:04] <drc> Several of the Xubuntu devs part time in xfce (or vice versa).
[17:08] <RFleming> Anyone else worried about Wayland?
[17:08] <RFleming> err Mir
[17:09] <knome> the xubuntu team did testing with mir ages ago already, and while it wasn't ready for production then, it worked
[17:09] <drc> nope, no need to wooy, either it will hapen or it won't, it'll work or it won't and I'll stick here or change distros.  All in all it's a 1st World problem :)
[17:10] <drc> To my surprise, when I tried it as part of the test I had no problems.
[17:10] <RFleming> Mir is specifically to fulfill Canonical's desire for a unified manager across all of their platforms be it mobile, tablet or laptop correct?
[17:10] <drc> but then my hardware is pretty vanilla.
[17:10] <RFleming> Oh, and to have full control of its development
[17:11] <RFleming> does that sum it up?
[17:11] <drc> True, but that doesn't mean it can't work or even be good.  I'll wait and see.
[17:12] <knome> only canonical can talk about their motives to control or not control something.
[17:14] <RFleming> we will see
[17:14] <RFleming> X definately is long in the tooth
[19:37] <Bruno_> Hello, I need help.
[19:38] <Bruno_> the 64 bit download says "amd" does it matter if i have a intel processor?
[19:40] <mrkramps> Bruno_, it does _not_ matter
[19:41] <mrkramps> this naming convention is pretty much an artifact
[20:15] <max12345> is there a way to make my system clock display like iso 8601 says? YYYY MM DD HH MM SS ?
[20:18] <max12345> nvm found it
[20:18] <drc> %Y %B %d %H:%M:%S
[20:18] <drc> opps :)
[20:19] <drc> "man date" will give you all the flags needed
[22:48] <ScoDal> My xubuntu says at boot "System program problem detected"
[22:48] <ScoDal> This time at boot it said it twice I hit cancel twice, everything seems to run fine
[22:49] <ScoDal> What causes this? I'm tempted to reinstall xubuntu, is that the right course of action? I won't lose anything important
[22:49] <Unit193> ls /var/crash/
[22:57] <ScoDal> .................crap. teamviewer, 3 times
[22:58] <ScoDal> i knew they were flubbing with their linux version! they can't fool me. it quickly loads wine in the background, they didn't actually write a linux version of their software
[22:58] <ScoDal> well thank you for helping me understand. now i know a reinstall will bring me to the same place, if i continue to use teamviewer
[23:00] <Unit193> Yep, and those are "unreportable" as it is a third party application.
[23:02] <ScoDal> how disappointed in them i am, they have done an amazing job cross windows / mac.. however oddly enough with it works well on linux with a few annoyances.. this explains the annoyances
[23:38] <RFleming> anyone know how to symlink files in xfce-perchannel-xml?  Every time I symlink one of the config files (say the panel channel), as soon as I update my panels, the symlink is gone, and I'm left with a regular file again.
[23:42] <drc> RFleming: You're placing the link in xfce-perchannel-xml?  What happens if you reverse it?
[23:43] <drc> The file in xfce-perchannel-xml should retai the same name when things change.
[23:44] <RFleming> yes.  I want the real file elsewhere though, with the symlink inside xfce-perchannel-xml.  I can get around symlinking the entire folder, but I don't want to because there are some channels I don't want to keep.
[23:44] <drc> And the link wouldn't be overwritten (I'm guessing one can't stop that)
[23:46] <RFleming> yes.  I just wish to keep a couple of the channels in relation to 'look and feel'
[23:47] <RFleming> there are some that go beyond that, hence why I don't wish to sync those across.
[23:47] <RFleming> it doesn't matter though, as any change and xfconf blitzes the channel xml file and replaces it with a regular file
[23:48] <drc> Good luck, Its now officially beyond my paygrade. :)
[23:48] <RFleming> LOL
[23:49] <RFleming> I asked in #xfce and I was told that 'users shouldn't be touching channel files'
[23:49] <RFleming> *sigh*
[23:49] <drc> ah, must be defrocked debian devs :)
[23:49] <RFleming> but in a way they are correct.
[23:50] <RFleming> I'm sure using a different method to collect dotfiles and manage them, would yield differing results
[23:50] <RFleming> it's just that GNU stow is stupid simple.
[23:50] <drc> Well, time to ask if linking all the files/folder is worth it to get the ones you really want.
[23:51] <RFleming> questions and more questions
[23:51] <drc> and not an answer in sight :)
[23:52] <Unit193> RFleming: Did you try a different link type?
[23:52] <RFleming> you mean hard vs soft?
[23:53] <Unit193> -P / -L / -s, yeah,.
[23:53] <RFleming> unfortunately, there isn't that sort of control in stow
[23:54] <RFleming> (that I can see), they strictly use the standard symbolic link
[23:56] <RFleming> I guess there's always dropbox for xfce channels