[00:35] <micahg> bluesabre: yeah, I have to hack up the packageset generation script
[00:35] <micahg> bluesabre: something I can upload for you?
[01:03] <bluesabre> micahg: yeah, I can upload to a ppa if you want to pick it out of there?
[01:07] <bluesabre> micahg: uploaded shimmer-themes to https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/sponsoring/+packages, still building there
[01:14] <micahg> sure, thanks
[01:14] <bluesabre> thanks micahg :)
[01:15] <micahg> I'm sorry I haven't fixed it yet, still playing catch up
[01:17] <bluesabre> micahg: np, we're managing fairly well around here
[01:18] <micahg> bluesabre: can you take a look at the blueman merge, I'm not 100% sure about the python patch that we're carrying, we'll need an FFE at this point to get it in
[01:18] <micahg> I assume we'd like it this cycle
[01:18] <micahg> ?
[01:19] <bluesabre> micahg: yeah, I'll take a look
[01:19] <bluesabre> new blueman would be a nice bonus
[01:20]  * bluesabre has a bluetooth mouse and headphones
[01:20] <micahg> thanks, justification for FFe bluez5 just landed last week (or so) and blueman needed that or obexd (which was removed from Debian)
[02:24] <bluesabre> micahg: taking a look at the merge, looks like we can drop 03_filemanager_fix.patch, and then we might (or not) need to provide a config for org.blueman.transfer.browse-command in x-d-s
[02:27] <micahg> ok, sounds like that should be tested before it's uploaded, did you already prepare a merge or just look at the patch?
[02:28] <bluesabre> looked at the merge, tried applying the patch, then looked at the code
[02:28] <bluesabre> in apps/blueman-browse this is the code that makes this all work (line 55)
[02:28] <bluesabre>         try:
[02:28] <bluesabre>             if conf["browse-command"]:
[02:28] <bluesabre>                 launch(conf["browse-command"].replace("%d", addr), system=True, name="blueman")
[02:28] <bluesabre>             else:
[02:28] <bluesabre>                 Gtk.show_uri(None, ('obex://[%s]' % addr), Gdk.CURRENT_TIME)
[02:28] <bluesabre> but yeah, I can prepare a merge
[02:34] <micahg> ok
[03:03] <bluesabre> micahg: package built against the transition ppa here https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/bluez5
[03:04] <bluesabre> want me to follow through the normal merge process with the merge bug, etc?
[03:10] <bluesabre> ah, found the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/1482626
[03:14] <micahg> yeah, bluez already landed IIRC
[03:16] <bluesabre> cool
[03:16] <bluesabre> commented on that bug, attaching debdiffs
[03:16] <bluesabre> it seems to run fine in wily (at least in a vm)
[03:20] <bluesabre> added
[03:20] <bluesabre> micahg: need anything else for that?
[03:20] <bluesabre> I'll be running wily again this weekend if we need a hardware test
[03:21] <micahg> ok, I think it's ok, I can add the FFe
[03:21] <micahg> thanks
[03:22] <bluesabre> np, thanks micahg
[03:36] <Unit193> bluesabre: Going to be FFe'ing all around/
[03:43] <bluesabre> Unit193: so it seems :D
[03:44] <bluesabre> Unit193: care to look at gmb 1.1.15 for debian? https://gmusicbrowser.org/release-notes.txt
[03:44] <bluesabre> (since you did the last one)
[03:45] <bluesabre> I need to go to bed if I hope to make it to the meeting tomorrow :)
[03:45] <bluesabre> night all
[04:29] <Mirv> ochosi: sorry, I was sleeping already :)
[05:14] <Unit193> Good plan.
[05:18] <Unit193> bluesabre: And yeah had considered that, looks only a new alt rec on mpv.
[05:31] <Unit193> bluesabre: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/gmusicbrowser.git btw, that.
[07:04] <flocculant> morning
[09:55] <dkessel> hey there
[09:55] <flocculant> !team | meeting in 5 
[09:55] <knome> oh poop
[09:56] <flocculant> someone needs to sort that factoid I guess
[09:56] <knome> yes
[09:56] <knome> i can do that in 5
[09:57] <knome> and for the meeting, i'll have more or less bad focus
[09:57] <knome> but i will be aroundish
[09:59] <flocculant> okey doke
[09:59] <bluesabre> helllloooooooo
[09:59] <flocculant> \o/
[10:00] <flocculant> #startmeeting
[10:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Aug 21 10:00:07 2015 UTC.  The chair is flocculant. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[10:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[10:00] <flocculant> so who actually is here? 
[10:00] <knome> !team
[10:00] <bluesabre> o/
[10:00] <knome> not that list!
[10:00] <knome> but it's now updated
[10:00] <knome> and o/
[10:00] <flocculant> thanks knome :)
[10:00] <knome> np
[10:01] <dkessel> yay for more pings! im there with a strange keyboard setting due to remote connection :)
[10:01] <flocculant> #topic Open action items
[10:01] <knome> dkessel, you don't need the umlauts now :P
[10:01] <flocculant> ACTION: Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better 
[10:02] <flocculant> which as far as I am aware Unit193 did
[10:02] <knome> then undo it ;)
[10:02] <dkessel> knome: but what about the apostrophes and the question marks
[10:02] <knome> otherwise it'll keep on cycling around...
[10:02] <flocculant> #done Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core work item on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better 
[10:02] <knome> (too bad that doesn't close the action item :( )
[10:03] <flocculant> knome: no need to undo it as I didn't #action it :p
[10:03] <knome> oh hah
[10:03] <knome> right'o..
[10:03] <bluesabre> :D
[10:03] <knome> what did i say about my focus again..
[10:03] <flocculant> that it would be about normal :D
[10:03] <flocculant> #Team Updates
[10:03] <Unit193> Doesn't matter too much at this point, FF has passed.  All 3 are up though, and were up before it.
[10:04] <knome> flocculant, that failed!
[10:04] <flocculant> hi Unit193 
[10:04] <flocculant> #topic Team Updates
[10:04] <Unit193> Hi / bye
[10:04] <flocculant> cya 
[10:05] <bluesabre> #info Catfish 1.3.0 and MenuLibre 2.1.0 uploaded to wily
[10:05] <bluesabre> #info libreoffice-style-elementary 0.2 included in xubuntu-artwork 15.10.3 uploaded to wily
[10:05] <dkessel> lots of new stuff to break :)
[10:06] <bluesabre> #info new shimmer-themes release pending upload to wily, includes fixes for GtkHeaderBars
[10:06] <flocculant> #info Image testing is much as normal - basic smoketesting going on
[10:06] <flocculant> #info no idea what's going on in package world 
[10:06] <bluesabre> #info work on getting blueman 2.0 into wily started moving along, but will now require a FFe
[10:07] <flocculant> yep read that :)
[10:07] <bluesabre> what else have we done in the past few days..?
[10:07] <flocculant> #info milestone testing next week (hopefully) 
[10:08] <flocculant> bluesabre: panel switch thing
[10:08] <knome> #done knome worked more with the work items tracker improving bits here and there
[10:08] <bluesabre> oh right
[10:08] <flocculant> #info testing for catfish and menulibre in plan 
[10:09] <flocculant> #action flocculant set up catfish/menulibre testing
[10:09] <meetingology> ACTION: flocculant set up catfish/menulibre testing
[10:09] <bluesabre> #info xfpanel-switch uploaded prior to feature freeze, pending archive admin approval
[10:09] <flocculant> so I don't forget that ... 
[10:09] <bluesabre> (thanks Mirv)
[10:09] <dkessel> #info balloons is looking at hardware options for the automated image testing stuff, running tests on nested cloud VMs was negative
[10:09] <flocculant> \o/ 
[10:10] <flocculant> anything else before we move on
[10:11] <bluesabre> one more....
[10:11] <flocculant> :)
[10:12] <bluesabre> #info libreoffice-style-elementary included in wily and is default. We also currently have libreoffice-style-human on the iso, working on shipping only the former
[10:12] <bluesabre> ok
[10:12] <knome> bluesabre, question
[10:12] <bluesabre> hm
[10:12] <knome> if we don't seed the default themes
[10:12] <knome> will the "fallback" work, eg. will we still have all icons visible?
[10:13] <knome> or do those come from "real" icon themes?
[10:13] <bluesabre> for lo?
[10:13] <knome> yes
[10:13] <knome> or did we just dumpy everything in the new package
[10:13] <knome> -y
[10:13] <bluesabre> it seems like the themes can inherit from each other, but none of them do, they're all self-contained
[10:13] <knome> ok, fair enough, just wondering
[10:14] <knome> (maybe we should look at inheriting for w+1 if we still do that a lot)
[10:14] <knome> continue
[10:14] <bluesabre> libreoffice seems to pick the first alphabetically, so that's convenient for us
[10:14] <bluesabre> e before g and h
[10:14] <bluesabre> :D
[10:14] <knome> ughhh
[10:14] <flocculant> heh
[10:15] <flocculant> moving on then
[10:15] <flocculant> #topic Announcements
[10:16] <flocculant> nothing that I'm aware of (that's not going to come up in a minute)
[10:16] <bluesabre> theres a few
[10:16] <flocculant> I'll let you get on with them then
[10:16] <bluesabre> #info Beta 1 Freeze on Monday, Beta 1 on Thursday
[10:17] <flocculant> well that's one that'll be coming up in a minute :D
[10:17] <bluesabre> #info User Interface Freeze on September 10
[10:17] <bluesabre> :D
[10:17] <bluesabre> that's an announcement, reminder to get in gear ;)
[10:17] <knome> #info remember to keep your work items up to date
[10:18] <bluesabre> now that it's easy, no excuses
[10:18] <knome> i'm happy that we only have a few unassigned items
[10:18] <knome> only a longer list of bugs for -dev
[10:18] <bluesabre> yup
[10:18] <flocculant> couple could possibly go 
[10:18] <bluesabre> bugfix time starts now :'(
[10:19] <flocculant> anymore announcements? 
[10:19] <bluesabre> done here
[10:19] <knome> i'm good
[10:19] <flocculant> #topic Discussion
[10:19] <flocculant> #subtopic Beta 1 milestone
[10:19] <flocculant> so - assuming it happens
[10:19] <knome> yes please
[10:19] <flocculant> that relies on someone from community doing stuff
[10:20] <flocculant> I would but I'm MIA next week
[10:20] <flocculant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseTaskSignup
[10:20] <flocculant> no-one on checklist tracking for B1 
[10:21] <flocculant> I'll be mailing -release later saying that we will participate and higlighting it's empty
[10:21] <flocculant> so all being well - I'll send mail to list for us
[10:21] <bluesabre> oh wow
[10:21] <bluesabre> nice big hole there
[10:21] <flocculant> but will have to rely on -release and -qa to chivvy people along for us 
[10:22] <flocculant> and probably mark ready on thursday
[10:22] <knome> i will be off whole monday...
[10:22] <flocculant> #action flocculant Mail dev re B1 testing 
[10:22] <meetingology> ACTION: flocculant Mail dev re B1 testing
[10:22] <bluesabre> I can get on and mark ready for us as needed on thursday if nobody else can
[10:22] <knome> i should be able to do that as well
[10:23] <flocculant> #action Xubuntu Release/QA teams to try and move testers along if needed
[10:23] <meetingology> ACTION: Xubuntu Release/QA teams to try and move testers along if needed
[10:23] <knome> - even if i'm not in the -release team O:)
[10:23] <flocculant> #action flocculant mail -release re Beta 1
[10:23] <meetingology> ACTION: flocculant mail -release re Beta 1
[10:23] <flocculant> that's all I have on that 
[10:24] <flocculant> though I do have another topic to start the ball rolling on
[10:24] <knome> do we have a testing focus?
[10:24] <knome> or just everything?
[10:24] <flocculant> knome: well - yea everything - at least try and get some hardware tests in the mix
[10:24] <knome> yep
[10:25] <flocculant> if I'm back in time I'll weigh in obviously 
[10:25] <bluesabre> I think a new nvidia landed recently, so that could be fun or trouble
[10:25] <knome> yep, np, take your time etc :)
[10:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: not seen that 
[10:25] <bluesabre> it might be in the queue still
[10:25] <flocculant> probably old card too ;)
[10:26] <bluesabre> :)
[10:26] <flocculant> anymore B1 points? 
[10:26] <bluesabre> (nvidia-graphics-drivers-352 (352.30-0ubuntu1))
[10:27] <bluesabre> I don't think i have anything at this time
[10:27] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: do you want to upload the new wallpaper for B1?
[10:27] <bluesabre> knome: if it's ready, hand it over and I will upload
[10:27] <bluesabre> :D
[10:27] <knome> i'll have to do some tweaks, but mostly it's good to go
[10:27] <bluesabre> nice
[10:27] <flocculant> bluesabre: yea - just looked, my card = 340. as far as I can tell :)
[10:27] <bluesabre> two releases in a row on time with the artwork
[10:27]  * bluesabre is proud
[10:28] <flocculant> :)
[10:28] <knome> ha
[10:28] <flocculant> okey doke - time to move on? 
[10:28] <knome> yep
[10:28]  * bluesabre nods
[10:28] <flocculant> #subtopic Package testing 
[10:28] <flocculant> ... 
[10:29] <flocculant> ok so - currently we are not using the tracker and trying for exploratory
[10:29] <flocculant> I need to get that mail (or whatever I do) sent out
[10:29] <flocculant> but
[10:29] <ochosi> hi everyone
[10:29] <ochosi> sorry for being late
[10:29] <flocculant> we don't now have any real way of tracking things - just relying on bugs being reported
[10:29] <flocculant> hi ochosi ::)
[10:30] <bluesabre> yeah
[10:30]  * ochosi is reading backlog now
[10:30] <bluesabre> hiya ochosi 
[10:30] <knome> flocculant, we could probably ask people to add certain tag to the bugs to make it a bit more trackable
[10:30] <flocculant> yep - that at least is in my notes for whatever I send
[10:30] <knome> and with that, we could eventually pull a list of those bugs to the tracker too
[10:31] <flocculant> that's what I was leading up to :D
[10:31] <flocculant> I think this is what we talked a bit about a week or so ago
[10:31] <flocculant> just wanted to bring it up in a meeting
[10:32] <flocculant> so - as far as tag goes - something easy to remember like xubuntu-w(or x or y)
[10:33] <knome> or something that goes from cycle to cycle and then another tag to list the cycle?
[10:33] <knome> eg. add "xubuntu-exploratory" and "wily"
[10:33] <ochosi> knome: i'd be ok with shipping the new wall with b1, although otoh we haven't done that in the past and there's no more "scoop" to it
[10:33] <flocculant> knome: ok - that probably sounds best
[10:33] <ochosi> and i like the "in development" wallpaper
[10:33] <knome> ochosi, that's why i asked, i can also hold on to it until b2
[10:34] <ochosi> bluesabre: mind waiting with the wall?
[10:34] <knome> he doesn't have it, so... :P
[10:34] <bluesabre> ochosi: I don't mind
[10:34] <flocculant> ha ha 
[10:34] <bluesabre> I just upload when you guys say 'hey sean, wp'
[10:34] <knome> i'm mostly going to do testing with a laptop screen to make stuff is visible enough
[10:35] <ochosi> :)
[10:35] <knome> and maybe tweak some minor things
[10:35] <ochosi> right, feel free to share within -team if you want feedback
[10:35] <ochosi> or -artwork :p
[10:35] <knome> that said, there's not much to tweak in four triangles...
[10:35] <knome> "oops" :P
[10:36] <flocculant> no curves \o/ 
[10:36] <ochosi> :D
[10:36] <flocculant> I can see angles ... 
[10:36] <knome> probably some elliptical circles
[10:36] <flocculant> ha ha 
[10:36] <bluesabre> there goes knome using ms paint again
[10:36] <knome> \o/
[10:36] <ochosi> lol
[10:36] <knome> that'd be a challenge
[10:37] <knome> it's ages since i did pure pixel pushing
[10:37] <ochosi> for LTS+1 maybe ? :D
[10:37] <knome> huhu
[10:37] <bluesabre> :p
[10:37] <knome> well, LTS starts the new wp saga
[10:37] <knome> so who knows...
[10:37] <ochosi> anyhow, you've already listed my updates
[10:37] <ochosi> so thanks for that
[10:38] <flocculant> ok - anymore wp stuff - if not ... 
[10:38] <ochosi> anything else you want to discuss with me?
[10:38] <ochosi> cause i gotta run in a minute again
[10:38] <ochosi> "moar baby stuff"
[10:38] <ochosi> (sorry to be so disruptive)
[10:38] <bluesabre> :)
[10:38] <flocculant> ochosi: you ok with others working out a way to get exploratory stuff on our tracker? 
[10:38] <flocculant> ochosi: and if you think this is disruptive ... 
[10:39] <ochosi> flocculant: sure!
[10:39] <ochosi> :)
[10:39] <ochosi> i'll read the rest of the backlog then, sry! bbl
[10:39] <flocculant> ok - so if knome and I work that out - assuming knome is happy :)
[10:39] <ochosi> cool
[10:39] <ochosi> thanks flocculant + knome :)
[10:40] <knome> yep, i'm ok
[10:40] <flocculant> #action knome and flocculant to work out exploratory bugs on tracker
[10:40] <meetingology> ACTION: knome and flocculant to work out exploratory bugs on tracker
[10:40] <flocculant> I've nothing else for discussion - anyone else got anything? 
[10:41] <bluesabre> i'm good
[10:41] <flocculant> knome dkessel ? 
[10:41] <knome> nope
[10:42] <flocculant> #topic Schedule next meeting
[10:42] <flocculant> let's have another go at ... 
[10:42] <flocculant> #info slickymaster is to schedule the next meeting
[10:42] <bluesabre> yay not me
[10:42] <flocculant> #endmeeting
[10:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Aug 21 10:42:44 2015 UTC.  
[10:42] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-08-21-10.00.moin.txt
[10:43] <bluesabre> thanks flocculant!
[10:43] <flocculant> I'll get the wiki sorted
[10:43] <knome> ta
[10:43] <knome> huh, too hot :|
[10:43] <flocculant> do we need to add dkessel and krytarik as sacrificial lambs to the chair list :p
[10:44] <knome> no, they are not team leads
[10:45] <flocculant> oh yea ... 
[10:45] <flocculant> was hoping for 1 meeting to run a cycle :D
[10:46] <knome> hah
[10:47] <flocculant> ok notes are up 
[10:47] <flocculant> thanks everyone :)
[10:49] <knome> thank you
[10:52] <dkessel> sorry, had to take a call
[10:53] <flocculant> that's ok :)
[10:53] <knome> part of the fun sometimes is to say hello when the meeting begins and then disappear
[10:53] <dkessel> hah, me no chairing :)
[10:55] <dkessel> well thanks for chairing, flocculant. i will try to do tests before the beta, but i am moving and so i am not even sure if i will have internet next week at all
[10:55] <dkessel> bb, cya later
[10:55] <knome> dkessel, happy moving!
[10:56] <flocculant> indeed - have fun with that :)
[10:57] <knome> ok, i'm off as well
[10:57] <knome> bbl
[10:57] <flocculant> bluesabre: couple of bugs on the bug bp - parole with blank screen and camera not initialising
[10:57] <flocculant> knome: cya
[10:57] <flocculant> bluesabre: I know we have a workround in for parole - do we leave that bug on the list? 
[10:58] <flocculant> not sure about the camera issue - I see that still happening
[11:51] <bluesabre> flocculant: I think parole is fixed, worked around it
[11:52] <bluesabre> the camera issue is a larger issue which I haven't found a solution for yet
[11:52] <bluesabre> now that FF has happened, I am going to push more time into those bugs
[11:52] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - just thought I'd mention them both
[11:52] <bluesabre> thanks
[11:52] <bluesabre> :)
[11:53] <flocculant> :)
[11:53] <bluesabre> heading to work now, bbl
[11:53] <flocculant> I knew the parole one had a work round - but it's sitting on the bp stil
[11:53] <flocculant> yep - have a good day - cya :)
[17:19] <pleia2> tsk, 3am meetings ;)
[17:37] <knome> hah
[17:37] <knome> hello pleia2 
[17:42] <pleia2> o/ knome 
[17:42] <pleia2> knome: I am still waking up, will you be around in ~3 hours to chat flyers?
[17:42] <knome> i can be
[17:43] <knome> just came home from dad's 60yo parties and a few beers with a friend after that
[17:43] <knome> so it's not likely i'm crashing bed soon
[17:43] <knome> i guess for normal people it might, but for me... nah.
[17:47] <pleia2> well, I'll be around some on Sunday too just in case ;)
[17:54] <knome> sunday is a bit meh for me (leaving for a cruise in the afternoon) so today is better
[17:54] <knome> and i don't have any responsibilities tomorrow, so it's ok to stay up "late"
[17:55] <pleia2> k :)
[17:55] <pleia2> where does one cruise to up there?
[17:56] <knome> tallinn or stockholm most often
[17:56] <knome> we're going to stockholm
[17:56] <knome> two nights on the boat, a whole day in stockholm
[17:56] <pleia2> sounds lovely :)
[17:57] <knome> going with two friends and not wife, so rather fun than lovely
[21:40] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:41] <knome> hey sean
[21:41] <bluesabre> hiya pasi
[21:44] <knome> what's up?
[21:44] <knome> going to make the burndown look better?
[21:47] <bluesabre> knome: I might work on that tonight
[21:47] <bluesabre> or take a night to breathe
[21:48] <bluesabre> not sure which yet
[21:48] <knome> mhm, that's important too
[21:48] <bluesabre> ;)
[22:02] <ochosi> yup, i'm gonna do the latter
[22:02] <ochosi> have to move to the new flat this weekend
[22:02] <ochosi> so will be afk
[22:02] <ochosi> but pushed a rather big icon commit just now
[22:02] <ochosi> so enjoy ;)
[22:03] <ochosi> night all!
[22:06] <bluesabre> night ochosi 
[22:07] <bluesabre> ooh, the new battery icons
[22:07] <bluesabre> time to take a look at those
[22:07] <bluesabre> at some oint
[22:07] <bluesabre> point
[22:41] <knome> pleia2, did you know 5 hours is not ~3 hours? :]
[22:42] <pleia2> day flew by o_o
[22:43] <knome> heh
[22:43] <knome> do you still want to look at it or shall we pass it to some other day?
[22:50] <pleia2> let's just do it
[22:51] <knome> ok
[22:51] <knome> i'll get my mouse
[22:54] <knome> so, let me explain this process to you
[22:55] <knome> since it's probably better you understand it before i make you try stuff
[22:55] <pleia2> +1
[22:55] <knome> so if you have an .FB mode (you don't),
[22:55] <knome> you can basically print out the file 1:1, and the file can be exactly the size of the paper
[22:55] <knome> as you would expect really
[22:55] <knome> but if you don't, we run into problems
[22:56] <pleia2> .fb mode?
[22:56] <knome> basically, your printer then refuses to print it 1:1 and then squeezes the page
[22:56] <knome> even if you tell it not to squeeze to fit the page
[22:56] <pleia2> aha
[22:56] <knome> yes, .FB mode is a certain print output mode
[22:56] <pleia2> I see
[22:57] <knome> so i know we've done this before, but just to lay out the stuff
[22:57] <knome> 'lpstat -a' gives you the list of your printers
[22:57] <knome> 'lpoptions -l -d [device]' gives you the options for the printer in question
[22:58] <knome> and that also has a list of media modes
[22:58] <knome> those can be things like A4, Letter, A4.FB, Letter.FB, etc
[22:58] <knome> there are likely plenty of them
[22:59] <knome> it's all the sizes the printer can print to
[22:59] <knome> well, at least all the preset ones...
[23:00] <knome> and for completeness, if you had an FB mode for your media size, then the print command would simply be:
[23:00] <knome> lp -s -d [device] -o fit-to-page -o OutputMode=Best -o Media=[media] -P 1 flyer.pdf
[23:00] <knome> (simply and simply...)
[23:01] <knome> but you can probably figure out that's just giving certain options to the printer etc
[23:02]  * pleia2 nods
[23:02] <knome> so, sigh...
[23:03] <knome> i believe that if you don't have the FB mode
[23:03] <knome> there is no way to print the file 1:1 from the PDF that has the document size you want
[23:03] <knome> with any options
[23:03] <knome> but to make sure, maybe we should try it
[23:04] <knome> let me figure out the command...
[23:04] <pleia2> I'm thinking that since this is a networked printer hooked up via another linux machine it's not serving the responses I need
[23:04] <pleia2> lpoptions: Unable to get PPD file for Brother-HL-1250-seriesCMD:PDF,PS,JPEG,PNG,URF: Unknown
[23:04] <knome> hmm, likely so
[23:05] <knome> but that's fine
[23:05] <pleia2> ah, if I log in directly to the one it's connected to I get stuff
[23:05] <pleia2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12146069/
[23:05] <knome> :)
[23:05] <knome> yep, Letter is the default
[23:05] <pleia2> I see no FB
[23:06] <knome> ok, so let me first upload the pdf again
[23:06] <pleia2> k
[23:06] <knome> and then give you the command
[23:06] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/.flyer/
[23:08] <knome> lp -s -d HL1250 -o Media=Letter -P 1 flyer_USletter.pdf
[23:08] <knome> that should print one page
[23:09] <knome> it should be obvious whether the three-fold sections line up correctly or not
[23:10]  * pleia2 collects from printer
[23:10] <knome> but fwiw, the left hand margin should be aroud 0.35 inches
[23:11] <pleia2> folds nicely
[23:11] <knome> really?
[23:11] <pleia2> yes
[23:11] <knome> >___<
[23:11] <knome> then what on earth has been going wrong so far
[23:11] <pleia2> lol
[23:11] <pleia2> maybe I should print both sides to confirm
[23:11] <knome> when i did that, i had too large margins
[23:12]  * pleia2 -P 2
[23:12] <knome> yep
[23:13] <knome> well, tbh, if this works, i'm happy nonetheless
[23:13] <knome> for my mental health issues, can you check with a ruler how much padding there is for the left and right hand sides
[23:14] <knome> that is, empty space between the text column and page border
[23:16] <knome> actually, for the right hand side, check the padding from the right side of the ubuntu logo in pg2
[23:16] <knome> the front page screenshot might be a bit overflowing
[23:17] <knome> i can't remember if it's intentional or not any more
[23:17] <knome> likely is
[23:18] <pleia2> screenshot on the front page is maybe .3 inches from the edge
[23:19] <knome> should be around 0.23
[23:19] <pleia2> no wait, let's see
[23:19] <pleia2> non-precise measuring tape ;)
[23:19] <knome> :D
[23:19] <pleia2> it's in 1/8s of an inch, then guessing
[23:20] <knome> the svg says it's slightly less than 6mm
[23:20] <knome> and 6mm converts to 0.23622
[23:20] <pleia2> 3/16th of an inch :)
[23:20] <knome> ok
[23:20] <knome> then i'd guess the other padding is more than it should be
[23:21] <knome> but that's likely just the printer
[23:21] <pleia2> other side (from Contribute to Xubuntu Heading) is 3/8ths
[23:21] <pleia2> but printing double sided still lets things line up and it folds in a non-offending way
[23:21] <knome> yes, that adds up
[23:21] <knome> the printer skewed it by a mm or so
[23:22] <knome> there's nothing we can do about that and it's fine
[23:22]  * pleia2 nods
[23:22] <knome> but it's good to hear the total is about what we have in the svg
[23:22] <knome> so - we're done!
[23:22] <pleia2> :D
[23:22] <knome> so you can probably print this out from a GUI too
[23:22] <knome> i've had bad experiences with that though
[23:23] <knome> mum's printer has so many options and the options the GUI proposes are weird
[23:23] <pleia2> lp is fine
[23:23] <knome> and making sure they are all correct... sigh
[23:23] <pleia2> heh, yeah
[23:24] <knome> so before you print things
[23:24] <knome> we should probably look updating the content a bit
[23:24] <pleia2> knome: can you split this into 2 pdfs?
[23:24] <knome> no
[23:24] <knome> but i can not merge it to one
[23:24] <knome> :P
[23:25] <knome> well i can split it to two too...
[23:25] <knome> but that would be silly
[23:25] <pleia2> vistaprint wants the pages to be separate
[23:25] <knome> D:
[23:25] <pleia2> it can't see page 2
[23:25] <knome> great...
[23:25] <knome> are we fine with the content though?
[23:26] <knome> i did abiword/gnumeric > LO the other day
[23:26] <pleia2> yes, when I upload this their tool is super happy with margins and things and it looks good
[23:26] <pleia2> it just only sees one side :)
[23:26] <knome> :D
[23:27] <knome> pdftk flyer_USletter.pdf cat 1 output flyer_page1.pdf
[23:27] <knome> s/1/2/
[23:27] <SwissBot> knome meant: "pdftk flyer_USletter.pdf cat 2 output flyer_page1.pdf"
[23:27] <knome> SwissBot, you're wrong.
[23:27] <SwissBot> hello knome
[23:27] <knome> Unit193, can we turn that feature off?
[23:28] <pleia2> lol
[23:28] <Unit193> knome: Use better regex! :P
[23:28] <knome> pleia2, hmm wait
[23:28] <knome> you'll likely want the paths version anyway
[23:28] <knome> i'll upload those
[23:29] <knome> pleia2, refresh http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/.flyer/
[23:30] <pleia2> thank you
[23:30] <knome> np
[23:30] <knome> i should likely push these to a branch
[23:31] <pleia2> ++
[23:31] <knome> or sth...
[23:32]  * pleia2 tries to use the mkdur command
[23:32] <pleia2> I am tired :(
[23:32] <pleia2> MAKE DUR PLZ
[23:33] <knome> hah
[23:33] <pleia2> knome: so is this flyer good? should I pay a few bucks to get a pile printed up or do we need more changes?
[23:33] <knome> that was what i was asking from you
[23:34] <pleia2> oh, hehe
[23:34] <knome> on a general level, i'm happy about how it looks
[23:34] <knome> and i'm good with the content too
[23:34] <knome> the question is: is it all still up-to-date
[23:34] <pleia2> oh good, all updated with libreoffice
[23:34] <knome> and what to do with the screenshot
[23:34] <pleia2> I assume we're not changing the background for 15.10?
[23:34] <knome> likely not... i think we want to keep with LTS stuff
[23:35] <pleia2> update copyright notice
[23:35] <pleia2> maybe?
[23:35] <knome> we don't have the rounding we have there anywhere
[23:35] <knome> or in other words, it's VERY rounded there
[23:35] <knome> that's probably my only visual issue
[23:35] <pleia2> yeah
[23:35] <knome> but to fix it is WORK
[23:35] <knome> :|
[23:35] <knome> but i can do that
[23:36] <pleia2> heh
[23:36] <pleia2> just don't want people to feel like this is already a year old when they look at it, since copyright is the only place we have a date
[23:37] <knome> yep
[23:37] <knome> i'll update that while i'm there too
[23:37] <pleia2> 25 is the smallest batch they do, and right now I can get it them for $13.99 plus shipping
[23:37] <knome> 5 mins
[23:37] <pleia2> not many, we can print more once we come up with a plan for LTS next year :)
[23:41] <knome> another small issue
[23:41] <knome> should we remove the » from the front page?
[23:41] <knome> that doesn't seem like it belongs there
[23:42] <pleia2> yes, I just realized it's a block on my printed one
[23:42] <knome> haha
[23:42] <knome> ok..
[23:42] <knome> any other blocks?
[23:43] <knome> (wouldn't have been a block if you had used the paths version, since there is no text that can go wrong there)
[23:43] <knome> refreshed files uploaded in the same place
[23:44] <knome> well, not the main one
[23:44] <knome> but separated pages
[23:44] <pleia2> nope, that's it
[23:44] <knome> does vistaprint do automatic folding?
[23:45] <knome> wait, something went wrong there
[23:45] <knome> duh
[23:45] <knome> what am i messing around here
[23:47] <pleia2> not sure, it may be an option when I check out
[23:48] <knome> just don't pick one-fold
[23:48] <knome> :D
[23:48] <pleia2> yeah, the format selected is specifically a tri-fold
[23:48] <knome> ok, all is uploaded now
[23:48] <pleia2> it checks for measurements on all three folds
[23:48] <knome> and should be final
[23:48] <knome> at least until it's not
[23:48] <knome> D:
[23:49] <pleia2> :)
[23:50] <knome> i'm happy with it now
[23:50] <pleia2> good, me too
[23:57] <pleia2> ok, I selected snail mailing (cheap) so it'll likely arrive when I'm traveling, will have it by the time I come home on sept 7th though
[23:57] <knome> yup
[23:57] <knome> great
[23:57] <knome> i'm preparing pushing to a branch too