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[04:03] <Shadow__X> its almost like there is a web page
[04:03] <Shadow__X> http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2200
[17:04] <lisandro1> hola
[18:11] <rwlove> hello
[18:44] <LordDragon> hey all. it seems my installation is completely hosed. when i try and run the frontend, i get a white screen for like 5 mins and then it just crashes. so i want to reinstall, but somehow backup all the network and tuner settings so i can import to the fresh install. is that possible?
[19:22] <LordDragon> hmm been googling. cant find anything useful about being stuck on white screen for mythtv frontend
[19:25] <Shadow__X> LordDragon: there is a script called something like mythbackup or mythdb backup that lets you backup the config from the database
[19:26] <Shadow__X> also, have you made sure the drivers for your gpu are installed?
[19:26] <Shadow__X> have you enabled the updates repo
[19:26] <Shadow__X> have you reset the frontend to default and reconfigure what it uses for viewing (gpu offloading,etc)
[19:27] <LordDragon> no i havent. is there a command to reset to defaults?
[19:30] <LordDragon> ok i reset it
[19:31] <LordDragon> its loaded. gotta go through the config now
[19:38] <LordDragon> working perfectly now
[19:38] <LordDragon> thank you SO much Shadow__X :)
[19:39] <Shadow__X> nice glad it works
[19:39] <Shadow__X> so what was the problem?
[19:39] <Shadow__X> ah, it was probably using some display option that didn't work
[19:41] <LordDragon> yeah i just reset it
[19:41] <LordDragon> so who knows
[19:42] <LordDragon> one annoying thing though is when scrolling through the program guide, its very laggy. ill scroll down a once and it will just freeze for 3 or 4 seconds before scrolling
[19:42] <LordDragon> what could that be?
[19:44] <Shadow__X> do you have your gpu drivers installed?
[19:45] <Shadow__X> watch cpu load when scrolling to see if there are load spies
[19:46] <LordDragon> it must be using the video drivers cuz its set to OpenGL output and working perfectly fine other than that
[19:47] <LordDragon> hmm how do you do direct channel entry into the guide? when i type a number it changes the date of the guide instead of letting me punch in a channel
[19:51] <Shadow__X> its an option somehwere, i don't remembner where though
[19:51] <Shadow__X> and which gpu do you have?
[19:51] <LordDragon> hmm
[19:51] <Shadow__X> just because opengl is working doesn't mean you are using the right driver
[19:52] <LordDragon> NVIDIA GeForce 9400M
[19:54] <Shadow__X> which os
[19:54] <Shadow__X> ubuntu?
[19:54] <Shadow__X> go into additional drivers, it will tell you if you are using the nvidia driver
[20:03] <LordDragon> yep
[20:03] <LordDragon> it says 1 in use
[20:03] <LordDragon> and it shows my nvidia
[20:03] <LordDragon> also the video is stuttering.. hmm
[20:03] <LordDragon> i think i fixed this before somehow but dont remember how
[20:04] <Shadow__X> i don't remember how you fixed it either!
[20:06] <LordDragon> lol
[20:08] <LordDragon> trying "opengl slim"
[20:09] <Shadow__X> if you have a 9400 you should use the nvidia gpu offloading
[20:09] <Shadow__X> forgot the name
[20:10] <Shadow__X> vdpau
[20:11] <LordDragon> oh yeah?
[20:11] <Shadow__X> yeah, vdpau uses the gpu to play the video
[20:11] <Shadow__X> gpu offloading
[20:11] <Shadow__X> https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU
[20:11] <LordDragon> would you recommend high normal or slim?
[20:11] <LordDragon> for 9400m
[20:12] <Shadow__X> i think they go over the idfferent ones on the page but without researching probably slim
[20:22] <LordDragon> still getting occasional stutter but not neraly as bad
[20:23] <Shadow__X> using vdpau
[20:25] <LordDragon> yes
[20:25] <Shadow__X> hmm
[20:25] <Shadow__X> what does top say
[20:27] <LordDragon> max about 15% cpu
[20:27] <LordDragon> even when it stutters
[20:29] <Shadow__X> thats odd, does it do that on all the different options
[20:29] <Shadow__X> ?
[20:32] <LordDragon> it was worse on opengl high
[20:32] <LordDragon> but yes
[20:35] <LordDragon> backend stuff works perfect. i can watch tv from my computer using kodi with no problem
[20:35] <LordDragon> but the frontend stutters
[20:35] <LordDragon> both video and audio
[20:35] <LordDragon> they are very quick
[20:36] <LordDragon> like hiccups
[20:38] <LordDragon> it feels like a problem with priority
[20:38] <Shadow__X> never had that problem, not sure
[20:38] <Shadow__X> which driver is it using from additional driver
[20:38] <LordDragon> priorietary
[20:42] <Shadow__X> is it a laptop?
[20:43] <LordDragon> 2009 Mac Mini
[20:43] <LordDragon> 2.0ghz Core 2 Duo
[20:43] <Shadow__X> wired or wireless
[20:43] <LordDragon> wired
[20:44] <Shadow__X> backend wired too?
[20:44] <LordDragon> yep. backend and frontend are both on it
[20:44] <Shadow__X> so it plays fine, stutters than plays fine again?
[20:45] <LordDragon> yes
[20:45] <Shadow__X> and the other decoding options on the frontend do the same?
[20:46] <Shadow__X> did you enable auto updates repo?
[20:46] <LordDragon> other decoding options? you mean opengl etc ?
[20:47] <LordDragon> hmm it hasnt skipped in awhile after i enabled "extra audio buffering"
[20:49] <Shadow__X> maybe thats it then?
[20:50] <LordDragon> might be
[20:50] <LordDragon> :)
[20:50] <Shadow__X> might want to jot that down
[20:51] <LordDragon> oops. it skipped
[20:51] <LordDragon> at least its not very often
[20:51] <Shadow__X> could you add more of a buffer?
[20:51] <LordDragon> not sure how
[20:51] <Shadow__X> is your backend slammed or something?
[20:52] <LordDragon> shouldnt be. its not using alot of cpu
[20:52] <LordDragon> and no other device is using it
[20:53] <Shadow__X> is it skipping or hitting source errors?
[20:53] <Shadow__X> if you can watch the same channel on your other frontend and compare
[20:53] <LordDragon> yeah. i watched using my PC and kodi. the backend is solid
[20:54] <LordDragon> so its not the source
[20:54] <Shadow__X> not talking about using kodi though
[20:54] <Shadow__X> using mythfrontend
[20:54] <Shadow__X> keep the comparison as close to apples vs apples as possible
[21:02] <LordDragon> so install mythfrontend on a nother computer?
[21:02] <LordDragon> maybe i could try and play a recording back
[21:02] <LordDragon> and see if it stutters
[21:05] <Shadow__X> try a recording
[21:05] <Shadow__X> i thought you had mythfrontend on the backend
[21:06] <LordDragon> i do
[21:08] <LordDragon> i only have one install of mythtv
[21:08] <LordDragon> its on the mac mini
[21:08] <LordDragon> both the backend and frontend
[21:09] <LordDragon> on my main rig (this one) i use kodi and the mythtv addon
[21:09] <LordDragon> so i can access the backend on the mac mini
[21:09] <LordDragon> and that works flawlessly
[21:09] <LordDragon> in any case im taking a break
[21:09] <LordDragon> lol
[21:09] <LordDragon> its mostly working
[21:10] <LordDragon> it seems like some quirky driver thing
[21:10] <LordDragon> either with the audio or gpu
[21:10] <LordDragon> where it just glitches
[21:13] <LordDragon> hmm theres a video playback test in the setup wizard
[21:13] <LordDragon> maybe i should try that in a bit
[21:13] <LordDragon> it could be a buffering thing too
[21:14] <LordDragon> it might be underrunning the buffer
[21:14] <LordDragon> because u can puase and stuff, im guessing its playing out of some sort of buffer, and not direct from the tuner
[21:15] <Shadow__X> thats odd, i didn't realize the mac mini was be/fe
[21:15] <Shadow__X> i never had those problems
[21:15] <Shadow__X> i had problems with things taking a little to play because it was over wireless but not that
[21:28] <LordDragon> hmm
[21:28] <LordDragon> yeah. its odd
[21:28] <LordDragon> ive really been thinking about getting a NUC
[21:28] <Shadow__X> are you using a flash drive for storage? :D
[21:28] <LordDragon> and using that instead
[21:28] <LordDragon> haha
[21:28] <LordDragon> :P
[21:28] <LordDragon> built in 320gb hdd
[21:29] <Shadow__X> the nucs are ok (and the varients) if you don't care about a lot of storage
[21:29] <LordDragon> Shadow__X: well they have 1tb 2.5 drives
[21:29] <LordDragon> thats plenty for me
[21:29] <Shadow__X> ah ok
[21:29] <LordDragon> they are pricey though
[21:29] <Shadow__X> i think somewhere around 2-4tb for main recordings and then more than that for longer term stuff is where i am
[21:30] <LordDragon> like 350 bucks for just the system
[21:30] <Shadow__X> around $65 for 1tb 2.5
[21:30] <LordDragon> yeah so over 400
[21:30] <Shadow__X> do you need something nuc sized?
[21:30] <LordDragon> just for tv
[21:30] <Shadow__X> you could look into building something yourself
[21:30] <LordDragon> i dont think i could build a rig for less than 400 though
[21:31] <Shadow__X> do you pay for cable tv?
[21:31] <LordDragon> yes
[21:31] <Shadow__X> :D i am sure thats over 400 a year just for tv
[21:31] <Shadow__X> also, you can build a rig for under 400
[21:31] <LordDragon> :P
[21:31] <Shadow__X> it won't be highend sure, but you could do it
[21:31] <LordDragon> as long as it can fit on a shelf
[21:32] <LordDragon> i dont need like NUC small
[21:32] <LordDragon> but not tower rig either
[21:32] <Shadow__X> pcpartpicker?
[21:32] <LordDragon> hmm
[21:32] <LordDragon> thats a neat site
[21:32] <Shadow__X> yup
[21:33] <LordDragon> https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/kfp9TW/basic-htpc-build
[21:34] <LordDragon> 278 bucks
[21:34] <LordDragon> amazing
[21:34] <Shadow__X> and there ya go, although i would prefer a quad core for a backend, we probably have different use cases
[21:35] <LordDragon> yeah?
[21:35] <LordDragon> so the dual core wouldnt be enough to record a show in the background while frontend is showing live tv?
[21:35] <Shadow__X> thats fine
[21:36] <Shadow__X> my offline backend has a core 2 duo e8400 (it is long over due to retirement)
[21:36] <Shadow__X> but dual core isn't enough for transcoding
[21:36] <Shadow__X> well for me it isn't atleast
[21:37] <LordDragon> ahh ok
[21:37] <LordDragon> i wouldnt be doing transcoding
[21:38] <LordDragon> which cpu woud you recommend? there a several amd 4 core
[21:38] <Shadow__X> none off the top of my head
[21:38] <Shadow__X> i haven't looked at that line up too closely in a while
[21:38] <LordDragon> i dont know anytyhing about amd
[21:39] <Shadow__X> just keep in mind the nuc will use less electricity at idle than the machine you build
[21:39] <Shadow__X> there are trade offs
[21:39] <Shadow__X> the nucs use laptop parts
[21:39] <LordDragon> https://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-ad580kwohjbox
[21:40] <LordDragon> i doubt it will use more power than the HUGE dvr box my cable company gave me before :P
[21:42] <Shadow__X> just because its huge doesn't mean it uses a bunch of electricity, have you put a watt metere on it?
[21:42] <LordDragon> i returned in when i got my hdhomerun
[21:42] <LordDragon> but it was loud and had a full size 3.5 inch hdd
[21:43] <Shadow__X> gotcha
[21:43] <LordDragon> on the other hand, im sure it didnt have anything as powerful as that amd cpu
[21:43] <LordDragon> and amd are very power hungry
[21:44] <Shadow__X> well yes and no
[21:44] <Shadow__X> at idle they are competitive with intel
[21:44] <Shadow__X> under load not really but i don't know how the fm2 line fall into that
[21:44] <Shadow__X> i have an fx8320 that idles close to my intel parts
[21:44] <Shadow__X> but under load it uses more electricity
[21:45] <LordDragon> hmm
[21:45] <LordDragon> 300 bucks for a complete system though
[21:45] <LordDragon>  thats awesome
[21:46] <LordDragon> i didnt know it could be done for so cheap
[21:46] <Shadow__X> yup, you don't need to spend 1k
[21:47] <Shadow__X> you could probably go intel at that price point too if you wanted
[21:47] <Shadow__X> but probably not an i3
[21:48] <LordDragon> iw as thinking that pentium anniversary one
[21:48] <LordDragon> that was cheap but fairly powerful
[21:50] <Shadow__X> if its the one i am thinking off you can oc it too
[21:50] <Shadow__X> if you live my a microcenter they had a deal on them with a motherboard
[21:50] <Shadow__X> not sure if thats still going on
[21:51] <LordDragon> hmm that site is saying intel htpc is more like 500
[21:52] <Shadow__X> don't listen then!
[21:54] <LordDragon> dude!!
[21:54] <LordDragon> $64.89
[21:54] <LordDragon> for G3258
[21:54] <LordDragon> great deal
[21:54] <LordDragon> i dont think it has hyperthreading though
[21:54] <LordDragon> so 2 threads only
[21:55] <LordDragon> would that be enough? 3.2 ghz with overclockability
[21:57] <Shadow__X> LordDragon: pentium dual core with z97 mb that you can overclock
[21:57] <Shadow__X> http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6W9fBm
[21:58] <Shadow__X> 307
[21:59] <LordDragon> i was doing that same thing
[21:59] <LordDragon> except looking for a bit better of a mobo
[21:59] <LordDragon> i thought asrock were very unreliable
[22:01] <Shadow_X1> ok back
[22:01] <Shadow_X1> i was going to say that the amd chips can oc as well
[22:01] <Shadow_X1> the pentium i linked to with the z97 mb can oc
[22:03] <Shadow_X1> i had to switch nicks, my vps will be doing down soon
[22:07] <LordDragon> ah ok
[22:07] <LordDragon> i thought asrock were very unreliable?