[01:49] diddledan: trying to do impressions of myrtti i see [01:50] :P [01:50] I have no idea where that's coming from [01:50] I've closed everything bar one client [01:50] it's definitely my network, tho [01:51] XD [01:51] yep, it's got beef in it [01:51] :-p [01:52] just been playing some 'Dying Light' on the xbox one with a couple of pals [01:52] i'm typing from a xubuntu sony laptop with nice native resolution TTYs 8D [01:52] wouldn't help much if i wanted to open any links, but it looks nice [01:54] seriously, wtf is it?! [01:55] it doesn't reply to a version query [01:55] so I can't figure out what's driving the connection [01:55] lol [01:56] packet sniff at your egress point? [01:56] why's it suddenly got a hostname instead of an IPv6 [01:56] ip4 resolved quicker that time I guess [01:56] ah [02:20] i could inform myrtti that she's bouncing. but don't want to interrupt the hunnymoonsters [02:21] that's funny, because of my alter-ego the honeymonster [02:21] :-p [02:21] :D [02:21] last i saw her clones were getting K-lined [02:21] ouch [02:21] so who knows what's going on there [02:57] he's here! [02:57] diddledan_: beep bloop [03:36] so much diddling so little time [03:37] right, I've restarted the only irc client running [03:38] this client shouldn't have been the problem tho 'cos it's configured to use a bnc [03:47] :) [03:49] burn the witch?! [03:49] s/w/b/ [03:53] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FdHq3WfJgs [04:08] diddledan: i think i am dead [04:08] :-o [04:12] also. the presentation about the jeep hack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OobLb1McxnI [04:15] I don't think I can youtube while playing civ5. it's surprisingly heavy on this laptop :( [04:16] no real desktop in casa von shauno? [04:17] kinda [04:17] I have two desktops. one's an amiga, one's a ppc mac [04:24] :) [04:24] i don't know how you can tolerate laptop only [04:25] well, it's not 'only', I have my amiga for gaming :) [04:26] XD [04:31] and the mac does very little. it's waiting for me to find somewhere that still sells cdrs [04:32] need to throw an OS on one? [04:32] yeah. trying to get amigaos4 on it [04:32] crikey [04:32] osx is easy, I can install it from firewire. but os4 is quite picky (aka has very limited hardware support) [04:33] (to which end, I picked up a firewire CF reader. lovely) [04:33] coaster city then :) [04:33] didn't realise it was tough to find them nowadays [04:33] think i still have a 100 cake upstairs on the shelf [04:33] well. it's primarily laziness [04:39] :) [04:39] that's the spirit [04:41] well, I've had a very busy summer. stuff like that is more winter stuff :) [04:48] very true [04:48] alright time to turn in for me, i can no longer brain at all [04:48] :) [04:48] g'night folks \o have a good weekend if you manage to escape for a bit :> [04:48] I'm waiting to take a quick trip into work, then I'll do the same [05:00] shauno: you mean you're going to work so you can have a nap? [05:55] morning [06:30] morning maps [06:44] morning maps knightwise [06:44] trying to figure out why my blurry disc drive isn't reading blurry discs [06:45] (I know I spelled that wrong. it was on a porpoise) [06:45] I've checked with a dvd that the drive is actually working in the general sense [06:46] but plop a blurry movie in and it pretends there be no disc there === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:39] morning boys and girls. [10:44] m00 [10:45] it's the weekend, so should I be requesting that ya'll call me mandy? [11:25] diddledan: set a cron job to chance username and nick [13:35] mornin [15:20] hey guys, i'm trying to install the nvdia gfx driver for the GTX 750ti, however I've developed a few issues, and upon my last restart, I'm currently staring at the Ubuntu splash screen for over 3 minutes, and nothing else is happening, I can't access the desktop now [15:29] Supermanintights: try booting with 'quiet splash' removed from the boot params to see what's up [15:31] let me google how to do that [15:35] I'm trying to edit it via nano using the root shell in recovery mode, but despite logging in as root it says "read only file system" so i can't get rid of quiet splash [15:36] ah sounds like you have bigger problems if your disk is mounted read only [15:36] can you boot a live session? [15:36] from flash drive or otherwise [15:36] yeah, one mo [15:38] ok I'm in [15:41] mounted read only is the normal default in recovery mode daftykins Supermanintights [15:41] you can just "mount -o remount,rw /" in recovery to get it into read/write mode [15:41] ah ok, so i should boot back into recovery mode? [15:42] oh silly me, didn't quite read the recovery mode bit :) [15:43] you don't need to make a permanent boot edit though, just a one time change by holding left shift at boot and editing it once [15:43] when I hold left shift I have ubuntu, advanced or system set up [15:43] if i go to advanced, i have a list of options - grub edit, fsck, clean etc. [15:43] i was going to the root shell prompt and entering stuff there, is that right? [15:48] well there shouldn't be any need to go that far, as a permanent edit of these boot parameters isn't needed [15:48] you just want to be able to edit them once in GRUB [15:48] i can't seem to get to a grub console, holding left shift (or right) takes me to the recovery mode select [15:49] i don't mind doing the permanent edit for now then changing it back later [15:50] hmm, try booting normally once more then see if you can get to a TTY with ctrl+alt+F1 [15:52] i disabled the quiet splash (I just went ahead sorry), and it booted up to a window that says "the system is running in low graphics mode", "your screen, graphics card and input device settings could not be detected correctly. you will need to configure these yourself" [15:53] sounds like the driver didn't go on / isn't one that supports that maxwell card [15:53] can you get to the TTY as above? [15:53] after pressing ok, these are the options i have: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/2aZPrhkAnixHo5hI__b9unvIGanaWNCNfBJyrowNjBvkMEee7voXnt35pOeghlanP-lehSA1m4loyNF73cNcnoBt2w [15:54] exit to console login [15:54] done [15:55] should be at TTY1 now, there you can login and have a poke around. which nvidia driver was it you were installing? [15:55] it's got a flashing cursor at the moment, been like that for 45 seconds now [15:55] i can get to a TTY1, but it only lets me log in as root, not as the normal user account [15:55] try flicking between ctrl+alt+F1 and through to F6 [15:56] nothing,i've restarted and will just go straight to a TTY [15:56] ok, I'm at TTY1 [15:56] http://www.nvidia.co.uk/download/driverResults.aspx/87681/en-uk [15:57] so was it an nvidia website manual download? ah yes. [15:57] don't do that on ubuntu :) [15:57] ah, my bad, i did try following terminal last night but that completely bugged out on me [15:57] ok log in and try running "sudo nvidia-uninstall" i think it is, you can type "nvi" then hit tab to auto complete through to find it [15:57] i can only log in as root, the normal account won't work for some reason [15:58] but root doesn't have a password [15:58] ok, one sec, thanks daftykins - appreciate your help [15:58] i set one earlie [15:58] oh dear. [15:58] just in case [15:58] so you're breaking the whole design of ubuntu :< [15:59] i only did it as i couldn't log in using a TTY at all, and I was getting frustrated [15:59] sounds like there are bigger issues with your install [15:59] was it a fresh one just recently? [15:59] hmm, it's the 14.04.03 LTS, it was just a base install [16:00] yes, it's a brand new pc, only built it two days ago [16:02] didn't have to do anything special to boot the installer i take it? [16:02] earlier versions, nouveau didn't work with the maxwell cards so people had to append 'nomodeset' to the boot params [16:02] nope, i just put it on a usb, and it installed fine [16:02] mmm must be the newer nouveau in .3 [16:02] I've had a few issues - not recognising sound device, but in terms of installing etc. it's fine [16:02] should i do a fresh install again? [16:04] well it's behaving kinda quirky - and since you've probably not done much to that install yet, it's probably worth starting again [16:04] hmmm, pardon me butting here but, Supermanintights - you sure all those hardware bits you stuffed in your pooter work ok & work ok together? [16:05] that's fair, but i'm sure it's just a case of installing the manual nvidia download crapping out [16:05] SuperEngineer, it all said compatible and no problems on PCPartpicker, I believe I've set it all up properly (first time building a PC) [16:06] happy to provide a link if that helps (and once again, I really do appreciate the help) [16:06] Supermanintights: do a clean install and try using this PPA to get the latest nvidia drivers - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/08/ubuntu-nvidia-graphics-drivers-ppa-is-ready-for-action [16:06] it's a proper new official Ubuntu one [16:07] if it helps - the latest nVidia driver and the latest kernel update didnot work too well together for me - gave a simoilar prob... but a fresh install wouldn't be using that driver? [16:07] will it cover my gfx card? I tried do do something using the terminal on the frst night and it ended up kicking me out completely and requiring a fresh install. [16:07] I'm going to reinstall now, won't take too long to do [16:08] good luck [16:08] SuperEngineer: which one is the latest driver for you? [16:08] * SuperEngineer checks [16:09] seems nvidia-346 is still the newest without adding any PPAs, for 14.04.3 [16:10] Lastest nVidia driver showing is 346.82 [p.s. also using 14.04.3 here] [16:11] I've reverted to Nouveau for now [until I work out whatr the problem is] [16:12] i've heard of a lot of kernel problems of late [16:12] ditto [16:12] people getting a new one install, something breaks so they have to go back one [16:12] very disappointing [16:12] =! [16:12] whoops... +1 [16:14] [304.125 might still be worth a try -maybe I'll try it when I'm not "doing anything" ;) [16:15] :) [16:17] right, done a reinstall, just going to try that ppa that daftykins gave me. wish me luck [16:20] * SuperEngineer bangs chest to stop palpitations caused by the excitement ;) [16:23] oh come on, Supermanintights, I can't take this chest pain much more... .tell us the result! [16:23] it's downloading! apparently. my terrible internet means we have to wait a few more minutes to see what happens [16:23] in a film or tv show, they'd be showing a thumb twiddling montage [16:23] ok... I'll go get some morphine for now. [16:24] :) [16:24] :) [16:24] * SuperEngineer imagine what a thumb twiddling a montage actually looks like [16:25] =] [16:25] "show me those fingers" [16:25] :D [16:25] it's installing, just did something with depmod, this looks much more promising than my previous attempts [16:25] I think it's done, is there a way to test it? [16:26] errrmmmm... reboot! [16:26] reboot first [16:26] * Supermanintights reboots [16:27] well it booted, which is better than the last time [16:27] [those tights are slowing him down I guess] [16:27] i think we did it reddit (irc) [16:27] own up Supermanintights - what colour are your tights [16:27] XD [16:28] blue, obviously [16:28] yeeeeeew [16:28] best colour for tights! [16:29] what colour are they when viewed via your wonderful new working system? [16:29] fluorescent pink [16:30] oh... my... gaawwwdddd.... it gets worse [16:30] ;) [16:30] seeing as you're all in a good mood (now we're talking tights), who fancies helping me with a sound issue, or the fact that I appear to have no output sound devices or anything [16:30] no clue on that one, but given as you installed so swiftly i suspect you have some updates to do [16:31] so open a terminal and run a "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" [16:31] * SuperEngineer hunts for comment re "are uyou sure all your components work together" ;) [16:31] might be so new a build it's not quite Linux friendly yet [16:32] Supermanintights: wouldn't hurt showing us your parts list [16:32] haha, I have no idea if I have done it correctly, I'm just going with it [16:32] ok, one mo [16:32] rule 1... persevere ;) [16:32] rule 2... swear a lot [16:33] rule 3... pass wind & try again [16:33] rule 4... don't type rule 2 [16:33] :> [16:33] :D [16:33] http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/6296594 [16:33] ah the dampness cometh [16:34] daftykins, glad you put the link before the comment! [16:34] * SuperEngineer slaps wrist [16:35] have you taken over from diddledan? :) [16:35] http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/vjNxMp [16:35] ooh my, skylake build [16:36] however the cpu cooler and power supply changed due to not being available, will that matter? [16:36] I can find the new model numbers if so [16:36] I can see your problem now... you built a PC and not a pooter! ;) [16:37] haha [16:37] granted, this isn't mine, this is my friend who is computer retarded and i'm responsible for helping him, so I'm having to patiently explain everything to him as i fix/set things up [16:37] nah , i suspect the chip on the motherboard for the onboard sound is just very new [16:37] I did say that to him that it might be too new to be recognised [16:37] Supermanintights: that's a fate worse than death right there [16:38] yeah 14.04 might not be the best for a machine of that newness [16:38] he doesn't understand my pain [16:38] what should I do then? latest ubuntu? [16:38] but then you've probably got the vivid HWE, do you have a 3.19 kernel when you run "uname -r" ? [16:38] I just went with this as it was LTS [16:38] yeah LTS is usually a good call [16:38] 3.19.0-26-generic [16:39] i take it we're talking standard speakers attached to the onboard audio, not speakers in an HDMI attached display? [16:39] erm, right now nothing, but i have some headphones (usb, speaker and mic plugs) [16:39] as in the front case ports? [16:40] but even if plugged in, the list of devices in the sound options are empty [16:40] yeah [16:40] he is getting speakers, but right now he needs to wait til next pay day, so this will (hopefully) do for now [16:40] i suspect it might be worth trying a newer mainline kernel [16:40] i'm just on the asus page working out the hardware [16:40] https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z170-A/specifications/ [16:40] hrmm Realtek ALC892 [16:42] has this pc not got a normal headphone socket you could at least try? [16:42] what does "aplay -l" and "aplay -L" show from the terminal? use http://paste.ubuntu.com to share it with us [16:42] I'll be honest, while I am somewhat familiar with linux (enough to help a noob get started, and use the terminal etc.) I'm not that informed on kernels and updating it [16:42] [simple option, coz I'm simple] ;) [16:42] it's got a headphone socket on the front SuperEngineer - but if I plug my earphones in, there's still no sound devices [16:43] Supermanintights, oh buhgah! [16:43] paste.ubuntu.com/12151931 [16:44] paste.ubuntu.com/12151934 [16:45] yeah picking up only the nvidia HDMI audio support [16:45] so if he used the hdmi instead of vga, he'd have sound? [16:46] nah a monitor would have to have speakers built in [16:46] http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/fix-hda-intel-realtek-alc887-no-sound.html [16:47] make a backup of the file this guide suggests to edit, then try it out [16:47] this monitor has speakers built inside it (apparently), and it does have a headphone connector [16:47] ok, one mo [16:47] ah, you definitely shouldn't be using a horrible analog connection such as VGA in 2015 on a modern machine likethat [16:48] well, I said to use vga because I was concerned about the HDMI overscan [16:48] I have windows on my main for adobe reasons, and I'm sick of hdmi overscan, so i said VGA for now [16:48] when the picture goes off the sides? [16:49] that shouldn't happen with most screens [16:49] easily configurable in nvidia settings both on Windows and Linux even if it does :) [16:50] fair enough, he's gone to obtain a hdmi cable so that should be resolved in a few minutes. I'm just following this guide now. [16:52] Supermanintights, for what it's worth [& not to annoy you] using 14.04.3 I have an nVidia GTX outputting to 3 screens [DVI, HDMI *&* VGA sockets all in use] - sound works through the nVidia or the headphone socket. This is not a boast, it is just to say that this with 14.04 [.1, ,2 & .3 all did it ok] [16:53] that on vivid's 3.19 kernel, SuperEngineer ? [16:53] no no, that's fine. I just said VGA from personal experience and just while we were setting it up. Is it easy to use 3 screens? I always had issues when doing 3 screens, would only ever send to 2 screens at most [16:54] normal kernel release, normal updates, never changed it myself [except to revert *temporarily* when nVidia & kernel argued] [16:55] daftykins, ^ [16:55] guys, quick side track - I just plugged in the hdmi cable, and it says "no cable connected" on screen. Is a reboot normally necessary for those kind of changes? [16:55] yes [16:55] remove VGA, add HDMI - reboot [16:56] damn. OK, will replug in vga to finish what i was doing then will reboot [16:56] SuperEngineer: it's just that if you installed 14.04 when it was new, it can become 14.04.3 with the 3.13 kernel - whilst a freshly installed 14.04.3 would have the vivid HWE so 3.19 [16:57] daftykins, ah!.. I see - yup 14.04 *progressive* to 14.04.3 system here [16:58] I've tried plugging the hdmi cable in to both the mobo and the graphics card, restarting both times and it still won't load anything [16:58] any ideas? [16:58] as in, progressed to .3 via normal updates to orginal 14.04 [16:59] Is the cable ok? [16:59] he says so, it looks pretty decent - not a shitty quality one, and it's worked in plenty of other devices before [16:59] i can try from my laptop if needed, but i'm happy to take his word for it [17:00] well it has to be just the HDMI port on the graphics card obviously :> [17:00] hmmm... that seems proof enough if not recent damage [17:00] doesn't hurt to test [17:01] you've tried a cold boot i take it? [17:01] what's a cold boot? [17:02] daftykins, why would putting the cable in a refrigerated shoe work? ;) [17:02] powering up from off = cold boot [17:02] 'cause the machine is 'cold' prior [17:03] Supermanintights, it mweans a shut down to complete power off ans then restart [17:03] I need to slap my friend [17:03] for buying a PITA monitor [17:03] :D [17:03] I needed to choose HDMI input from a menu [17:03] Supermanintights, slap 'im for me as well! [17:03] err that's normal [17:03] input button presses / selecting an 'auto' mode [17:03] really? I've never had to do that, ever. I plug it in, and it works. [17:04] I'm still slapping him for making me lose over 10 hours of my life to this stupid machine. [17:04] yep i have a monitor with about 12 input types, cycling through them all is fun++ [17:04] Supermanintights, welcome to *our* world! [17:04] you could've just bought Windows 10 :) [17:04] lol [17:04] haha [17:05] so it works, "system program problem detected" [17:05] I am genuinely considering just installing windows and leaving him to it [17:05] [face palm coming up] [17:06] ignore the message, still working fine at the desktop right? [17:06] I'm doing a proper reboot now, and hoping it all boots up fine, then we can carry on [17:06] the error message came up again on this reboot, i think everything else still works ok [17:07] Supermanintights, next time it comes up, click on the "ignore" etc [17:07] we have sound. this is the good news, the bad news is that system program error message pops up every 2 minutes - "cancel" or "report problem" [17:08] hrmm [17:08] i know those things can happen once, then the messages constantly pop up from the folder they come from [17:09] I reported problem, then clicked ignore future problems of this type [17:09] as they're stored, historical error logs kinda thing [17:09] yeah! [17:10] SuperEngineer: so when you installed, did you put the /home on the 1TB disk ? [17:10] or is it all on the SSD? [17:10] erm, i think all is on ssd [17:11] oh, SuperEngineer, sorry i just saw the "super" [17:11] so this pal of yours gonna be trying to play games? :> [17:11] yes [17:11] dota and WOW apparently [17:11] nah i did mean you, i just tab complete failed [17:11] daftykins, if that was for me, no way - on dpinning rust in pooter itself [17:11] SuperEngineer: sorry :> [17:11] ;) [17:11] irssi is really annoying for two people with nicks that start the same [17:11] is it possible to do a save state so if we mess up in the near future, we can restore to this state? === Supermanintights is now known as fish === fish is now known as boreal [17:12] urgh, so many registered nicks [17:12] [too many "Super}'s in 'ere! === boreal is now known as assistingfriend [17:12] there we go, that should be better for you :P [17:13] you could use clonezilla to image up the SSD to a file stored on the 1TB mechanical [17:13] i'll do that another time [17:13] SuperEngineer is now known as SuperEngineer - & he ain't gonna be the 1 who changes :D [17:14] XD [17:14] assistingfriend: so is it gonna be Steam time to try some games? ;) [17:14] you might want to run gparted to partition that 1TB, format as EXT4 then set it up to be mounted permanently at boot as /media/storage or something [17:15] hmm, that could be an idea. would I want to do that before steam or anything like that? [17:16] yeah 'cause then you can install games to the mechanical and not fill up the SSD [17:17] wouldn't it run faster from the SSD? I've never used an SSD personally so I wasn't sure of the normal etiquette when it comes to them [17:17] it would, though 120GB is not a lot of space for them [17:18] either way you need the other disk in a usable form [17:18] ok, gparting now [17:21] If you're think about upgrading a dual boot machine to Win 10. DON'T. it craps up everything [17:22] do I want GPT partition table? [17:23] nah MBR will be fine [17:23] no real difference for this scenario [17:24] DJones: worked fine here :> [17:24] left GRUB intact on a xubuntu machine [17:27] daftykins: Screwed most thing up, didn't even complete the installation [17:28] DJones: what was it, 7 or 8 with ubuntu in EFI or? [17:28] is there a best practice for installing steam, or can i run the installer from the website etc.? [17:29] sudo apt-get install steam [17:30] daftykins: It was 7 without EFI, thankfully restored win 7 to its orginal [17:34] daftykins, you mentioned "mounted permanently at boot as /media/storage" - can you possibly help me with that? [17:34] happy to google, but thought I'd give you a shout seeing as you mentioned it [17:35] yeah have you got the 1TB formatted as EXT4 now? [17:35] yeah [17:37] use "sudo blkid" to get the UUID of what is likely /dev/sdb1 - then "sudo apt install pastebinit" then "pastebinit /etc/fstab" [17:38] paste.ubuntu.com/12152564 [17:38] make the intended mountpoint first up, with "sudo mkdir /media/storage" for example [17:39] done [17:39] then open /etc/fstab with "sudo nano /etc/fstab" (where nano is a simple text editor) and cursor down to the bottom to add the new line [17:39] you are essentially duplicating the style of lines above, values being tab separated [17:40] so you paste in the UUID you got for /dev/sdb1 first up from "sudo blkid" [17:40] "UUID=blaaaaaaah" [17:40] damn, need to copy/paste, one sec [17:41] hit tab, "/media/storage" tab, "ext4", tab "defaults, user" tab "0" tab "2" [17:41] so the whole line would be "UUID=blah /media/storage ext4 defaults,user 0 2" [17:42] done [17:43] save and close? [17:43] yep ctrl+x, yes, enter [17:43] now type "df -h" and see the partitions listed [17:43] now "sudo mount -a" should complete without error, mounting the 1TB disk [17:43] then "df -h" again will show the newly mounted 1TB [17:44] sudo mount -a = "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'" [17:45] "pastebinit /etc/fstab" [17:45] paste.ubuntu.com/12152680 [17:45] yeah you typo'd etx4 :) [17:46] * assistingfriend blushes [17:46] rest looks fine [17:46] sorry [17:46] no worries, 'tis human [17:46] could quite easily have been me making a mistake in the example [17:47] how do i pastebin df -h [17:47] just to check it's working correctly [17:47] you should just see sdb1 with 0% use and 930GB odd [17:47] df -h | pastebinit [17:48] it says 1% used, /sdb1 is twice listed [17:48] paste.ubuntu.com/12152709 [17:48] should be ok on reboot [17:48] ok will reboot now [17:50] thanks, so so so much daftykins and SuperEngineer - you've made what was turning into a very stressful afternoon a success [17:50] np :) [17:51] i'm just installing fish shell for him, then I'm hoping to turn him loose, and that he won't kill it over night [17:51] hmm not seen that one [17:51] assistingfriend, glad to help [but daftykins did all the work] [17:51] fish shell? it's much, much better than normal bash, and much more noob friendly [17:52] http://fishshell.com/ [17:52] just having a read [17:52] mmm, i think learning on the basics is still better :> as otherwise you walk to another system and can't do much [17:52] but ah well [17:54] it's pretty much the same/very similar, most reddit threads etc. all advocate moving to fish anyway. [17:54] just extra features - auto complete, syntax highlighting etc. [17:54] ugh reddit [17:54] :> [17:55] Anybody else expecting a storm tonight? I wasn't, but if you took one look outside my [open] windows & felt the strength of wind blowing into your house... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? [17:55] https://www.dropbox.com/s/wv1frwsb9rm1nqq/IMG_20150822_182851.jpg?dl=0 [17:55] this was my sky minutes ago [17:55] * SuperEngineer closes windows [17:55] heavy rain until 8am allegedly [17:55] so might be in for some fun [17:55] weee.. [17:56] it's been raining very heavily for the last hour. [17:56] (Stoke area) [17:57]