[13:45] <tsimonq2> Hey, is anyone active here, or just idling...
[13:49] <tsimonq2> Give me a ping!
[13:49] <tsimonq2> PM or ping works
[13:51] <Mikaela> hi
[13:51] <Mikaela> tsimonq2: ping
[13:51] <Mikaela> this channel is mostly very inactive though
[15:25] <tsimonq2> Mikaela: Hi...sorry for the late response, when I work(study for beginning of the year exams) I idle...
[15:25] <tsimonq2> Mikaela: So what does this team do?
[15:25] <tsimonq2> Mikaela: And how can I be involved?
[16:18] <Mikaela> tsimonq2: hi, sorry for my late response this time as I was in sauna.
[16:18] <Mikaela> tsimonq2: this team should be helping youth to contribute into Ubuntu and FOSS and as I said it has been very quiet lately. Getting involved would probably be just talking here, I guess, but as said it's a little inactive. Getting involved might be easier with http://linuxpadawan.net/ (I have never been there so I don't know if they are any more alive, but they have been mentioned sometimes)
[16:18] <Mikaela> oh and the link in topic allows you to join, but the mailing list is as silent as this channel or even more so
[17:18] <tsimonq2> I am familiar with the Linux Padawan site...
[17:18] <tsimonq2> Can I maybe...I don't know...help make it more active?
[17:18] <tsimonq2> Mikaela
[17:19] <Mikaela> just general talking would help making it more active, but I am a little wrong person for it as I have difficulties with social skills and I don't know how to talk even at IRC
[17:21] <tsimonq2> Hmm...who is the head of this team?
[17:21] <tsimonq2> Mikaela
[17:22] <Mikaela> that is a good question, I don't know, maybe it reads at launchpad
[17:22] <tsimonq2> When did you join this team, Mikaela?
[17:22] <Mikaela> philipballew https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-youth-council
[17:23] <Mikaela> 2010-12-18, it was a lot more active by that time and there were regular meetings and everything
[17:23] <Mikaela> (Launchpad is very helpful, it can tell all dates so you don't have to remember :))
[17:24] <tsimonq2> Because I would like to help make it more active :)
[17:24] <tsimonq2> So I would contact philipballew?
[17:24] <Mikaela> they are on this channel so just waiting could work
[17:25] <tsimonq2> Or to be impatient I can message him XD
[17:25] <Mikaela> it seems that they have been idle for two hours soon, /whois philipballew philipballew
[17:25] <philipballew> pinging me work
[17:25] <tsimonq2> Hello!
[17:25] <tsimonq2> Can you read the above messages?
[17:25] <Mikaela> hi
[17:25] <philipballew> im just watching netflix, and I let irc idle
[17:25] <tsimonq2> philipballew: You mind reading the above messages to know what is going on?
[17:26] <philipballew> you want to know more about the group I see
[17:26] <tsimonq2> Yes
[17:26] <tsimonq2> And if it is dead, to bring it back to life
[17:27] <philipballew> tsimonq2, I think there are already other ubuntu comunities that are thriving, why do we need to have this one as well?
[17:27] <tsimonq2> Well, to work towards the goal!
[17:28] <Mikaela> because none else is targeted towards youth
[17:28] <tsimonq2> Is there a substitute for this community...
[17:28] <tsimonq2> philipballew: If you have a closed mind towards it, I can help :)
[17:29] <tsimonq2> I think this community NEEDS to exist
[17:29] <tsimonq2> I just think it needs to be more popular
[17:30] <Mikaela> the nearest equivalent would probably be #ubuntu-gaming which was also dead last time I checked. I just went through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams
[17:30] <Mikaela> from where Youth is missing?
[17:30] <tsimonq2> I think a lot off communities need reincarnating
[17:30] <philipballew> tsimonq2, I just dont see the point on an irc bassed community f
[17:30] <Mikaela> where should the community be then?
[17:31] <tsimonq2> philipballew: Then leave and let others who think it is a valuble idea take over...
[17:31] <tsimonq2> Closed mind = no progress
[17:31] <Mikaela> I don't think there is anyone who could take over
[17:32]  * tsimonq2 coughs loudly
[17:32] <tsimonq2> ahem
[17:32] <tsimonq2> Maybe I could...
[17:32] <philipballew> i think what the ubunu community needs is to unite and not separate into different groups.
[17:33] <tsimonq2> Your opinion...
[17:33] <tsimonq2> MY opinion is that this just needs to be brought back to life...
[17:34] <Mikaela> I don't know how new person appearing from middle of nowhere works (sorry) and step 0 is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct
[17:34] <Mikaela> philipballew: I can agree with that, but it seems a little difficult as some people become more afraid of talking the larger amount of people there is on channel
[17:35] <philipballew> yeah, thats true Mikaela. I sometimes forget some people are shy people as I am about as outgoing as it gets
[17:36] <tsimonq2> I think that this community is a good idea. A wonderful idea. And the fact that the head of the community doesn't think it has potential kinda irks me...if I can do anything about it, I will...
[17:36] <tsimonq2> At least from what I have heard...
[17:36] <tsimonq2> If you do think that this can be brought back to life, by all means, go ahead :)
[17:36] <Mikaela> I personally wouldn't have gotten anywhere involved in Ubuntu or IRC without Ubuntu YOuth existing
[17:37] <tsimonq2> Exactly...
[17:37] <Mikaela> not that I have done anything useful, but no other distribution that I have used has given me the feeling of being part of any community related to it
[17:37] <tsimonq2> So if you don't think it has potential, philipballew, then you can pass it to me or someone else who cares
[17:38] <tsimonq2> Mikaela: I have become a strong part of the Lubuntu QA team...
[17:38] <tsimonq2> I have had many a chat with wxl and others...
[17:39] <Mikaela> I have just been in IRC meetings of UW and talked on -FI when I have known something to say and been on the -teams channel and once been in release party (but being too shy to say almost anything)
[17:39] <philipballew> tsimonq2, Im not saying youre not welcome to give it a go, but I am saying that you would do better with a croup directly contribuiting to ubuntu directly, instead of a group that serves itself like this seems to be
[17:39] <tsimonq2> And I am in one
[17:39] <Mikaela> at the moment I would argue that this group doesn't serve anyone by just being here and dead
[17:39] <tsimonq2> And I think that this group can help people with that :)
[17:39] <tsimonq2> EXACTLY Mikaela
[17:39] <tsimonq2> I agree fully
[17:41] <philipballew> yeah, its dead now
[17:41] <tsimonq2> Then pass it along
[17:41] <philipballew> but why bring it alive?
[17:41] <philipballew> I just dont see the point is all I am saying
[17:41] <tsimonq2> Just because you have reason against it doesn't mean I do...
[17:41] <philipballew> tsimonq2, can you answer my questions please?
[17:42] <tsimonq2> Because a community like this is essential for the growth of Ubuntu...
[17:42] <Mikaela> there should be some group which is welcoming and can also direct to other groups which was the original purpouse from what I have understood
[17:42] <tsimonq2> Let's just put it that way...
[17:42] <tsimonq2> YES
[17:42] <philipballew> I think the group would do better on a non irc based medium
[17:42] <tsimonq2> Shall we take this to the Community Council? I am fully prepared to...
[17:42] <Mikaela> what is the non irc based medium?
[17:43] <tsimonq2> IRC works best for me...
[17:43] <philipballew> Im just saying you would attract a better audiance if you lower the technical level to join the group.
[17:43] <Mikaela> same for me, I do everything at IRC and I am scared of mailing lists and I just don't understand other protocols like FB or Steam groups (which I think you might be soon suggesting)
[17:44] <tsimonq2> Yes...
[17:44] <Mikaela> https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net:+6697/#ubuntu-youth how much technical level is required to click this?
[17:44] <tsimonq2> Exactly...
[17:44] <tsimonq2> And then later get help to move to something like irssi?
[17:44] <tsimonq2> Like I am doing right now...
[17:45] <Mikaela> I would start with HexChat after that and then go to WeeChat as irssi is missing IRCv3 support entirely without third party scripts. http://ircv3.net/
[17:45] <tsimonq2> I have learned a lot so far, and I would have loved a community of peers to share my knowledge with
[17:45] <philipballew> a fair amount when the user is unfamiliar to the system. tsimonq2 people dont need to use irssi
[17:45] <tsimonq2> But still...you get my point :P
[17:45] <philipballew> people do not need to be command line people
[17:45] <philipballew> that is the mindset that scares people away from the ubuntu community
[17:46] <Mikaela> HexChat is GUI and very popular
[17:46] <philipballew> we dont need to make sure all ubuntu users and programers irc lovers, or command line gurus
[17:46] <Mikaela> then it's back to the question what is the other medium?
[17:47] <philipballew> I'd say utilize social media myself
[17:47] <tsimonq2> Mikaela philipballew The original question here was, are we going to reincarnate this team?
[17:47] <Mikaela> Ubuntu Youth is already in social media and nothing is happening there
[17:47] <tsimonq2> Or are we not?
[17:47] <philipballew> have a reddit page or facebook group page for people to discover the group, post articles, and then have this page as a place for some people to go and chat
[17:47] <Mikaela> yes, but if there is some medium that really can function better than IRC, it's worth knowing
[17:48] <tsimonq2> We already have that...nobody is maintaining it...I just want to know who will maintain it...
[17:48] <philipballew> my lug uses facebook and it has worked the best for finding new people
[17:48] <philipballew> I dont have any passwords for any groups that are online currently,
[17:48] <philipballew> but id start fresh
[17:48] <philipballew> anyone who was a youth then, is not now
[17:49] <Mikaela> what is the definition of youth by the way?
[17:49] <tsimonq2> Under 18 I think :P
[17:50] <tsimonq2> Mikaela philipballew The original question here was, are we going to reincarnate this team?
[17:50] <Mikaela> oh, two weeks and I am 20, but I did join in 2010 or what did I say
[17:50] <tsimonq2> Or are we not?
[17:50] <philipballew> Mikaela, yeah, im 23
[17:50] <tsimonq2> 13 guys, 13 :P
[17:50] <philipballew> were old here
[17:50] <Mikaela> I don't have any abilities that would be needed
[17:50] <philipballew> tsimonq2, can you be on irc any younger that that?
[17:50] <tsimonq2> Nope XD
[17:51] <philipballew> tsimonq2, where are you from?
[17:51] <tsimonq2> I don't think...
[17:51] <Mikaela> yes, I know people at IRC who have been 10 or so when they came and still know them
[17:51] <tsimonq2> Wisconsin
[17:51] <philipballew> tsimonq2, sounds cold
[17:51] <tsimonq2> I brought life back to the Wisconsin LoCo team...
[17:51] <tsimonq2> Nah...
[17:51] <tsimonq2> :P
[17:52] <philipballew> seems chill
[17:52] <tsimonq2> What, do you live on the eqautor?
[17:52] <tsimonq2> *equator
[17:52] <Mikaela> my geography isn't working and I have no idea where that is, but I am freezing everywhere.
[17:52] <tsimonq2> Mikaela: The middle of the earth, the hottest
[17:52] <philipballew> tsimonq2, San Diego
[17:53] <tsimonq2> EXACTLY
[17:53] <Mikaela> it might be a little difficult to reach
[17:53] <Mikaela> oh, Kotka, Finland and hopefully soon Helsinki, Finland
[17:53] <philipballew> walk!
[17:53] <tsimonq2> Anyways, what were we talking about?
[17:53] <philipballew> Mikaela, leaving the old life behind and moving to the big city?
[17:54] <Mikaela> that and actually getting help to my issues and having friends and everything
[17:54] <Mikaela> tsimonq2: reincarnating or not and who can do that?
[17:54] <philipballew> Mikaela, friends are needed in this life no matter what people say I think.
[17:54] <tsimonq2> Mikaela: Me! I reincarnated my LoCo team(sorta XD)
[17:54] <Mikaela> if you are interested, https://mikaela.info/about#life but it's not happy reading
[17:55] <philipballew> Im not sure how that would work
[17:55] <tsimonq2> And why do we have a council?
[17:55] <tsimonq2> Why do we need a council?
[17:55] <Mikaela> it's just impossible for me the time I don't feel everyone hates me I feel everyone wants me away from wherever I am
[17:56] <tsimonq2> We just evaporate the council, add you(maybe me XD) as admin, and get it rolling!
[17:57] <tsimonq2> philipballew, it's that straightforward XD
[17:57] <tsimonq2> philipballew: Should we(or I if you don't want to) do it?
[17:57] <tsimonq2> philipballew: Or are we gonna take this to the Community Council?
[17:58] <tsimonq2> philipballew: Your choice
[17:58] <philipballew> why would we take it to the community council?
[17:58] <tsimonq2> If you were to refuse to hand it over and to just let it die...
[17:58] <tsimonq2> THAT would be a reason to go to the council...
[17:59] <tsimonq2> philipballew: Your choice...what is going to happen?
[18:00] <philipballew> tsimonq2, there is no need to threaten me
[18:00] <tsimonq2> philipballew: I am not threatening you...
[18:00] <tsimonq2> philipballew: And I apologise if it looked that way...
[18:01] <tsimonq2> philipballew: I ask you again, what is your verdict?
[18:01] <philipballew> well I dont see a need for ultimatums here.
[18:02] <philipballew> tsimonq2, im pretty busy today on stuff, but ping me sometime this next week and we can figure out how to get a project going for you here
[18:02] <philipballew> :)
[18:02] <tsimonq2> philipballew: So I will be head?
[18:02] <tsimonq2> philipballew: That is what you are saying?
[18:03] <tsimonq2> philipballew: Or are you just going to fit me in...
[18:03] <tsimonq2> philipballew: Where I am needed...
[18:03] <tsimonq2> philipballew: It's awesome either way, I just need clarification...
[18:05] <tsimonq2> philipballew
[18:08] <tsimonq2> philipballew!