[03:59] <teo_> o hai
[06:04] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:15] <Roey> LegitFemale:  hi!
[06:15] <Roey> lordievader:  hey!
[06:15] <Roey> Good morning there!
[06:15] <Roey> lordievader:  new customer
[06:15] <LegitFemale> can anyone recommend mdadm build vs mdadm create? create adds superblocks to the drive, whereas build does not.... i am using LUKS and grub
[06:15] <Roey> lordievader:  ^ that
[06:16] <LegitFemale> Roey, much appreciated.
[06:16] <lordievader> Build assembles an existing raid array, create creates a new one.
[06:16] <Roey> https://serverfault.com/questions/347843/use-cases-for-mdadm-create-vs-mdadm-build
[06:17] <LegitFemale> so... will the superblocks/raid cause any conflicts with LUKS?
[06:18] <lordievader> LegitFemale: That depends, what are you doing precisely?
[06:19] <LegitFemale> building a raid 1 with an existing grub / luks
[06:19] <Roey> Well LUKS is the encryption layer, right?  http://jasonwryan.com/blog/2012/02/11/lvm/  <-- IIRC this talks about it
[06:19] <Roey> about integrating LUKS on an mdadm-created array
[06:20] <lordievader> LegitFemale: Did you unlock both luks volumes?
[06:21] <LegitFemale> both? I haven't started the process yet. i have one drive that is in use now and one drive that is completely formatted
[06:21] <lordievader> By the by, I'd do it the other way around. Luks on mdadm instead of mdadm on luks.
[06:22] <LegitFemale> that would be ideal
[06:24] <lordievader> How does your one disk look like now?
[06:24] <lordievader> (In allhonesty I'd ditch mdraid all together and go with LVM, but that is me)
[06:26] <LegitFemale>  /boot, one LUKS volume (LVM inside), one truecrypt partition.
[06:27] <lordievader> Hmm, yes. I'd start out fresh.
[06:27] <LegitFemale> ... is there any option not to?
[06:30] <lordievader> Well I suppose you can create a partial raid on the empty disk then transfer everything over to it and restore the raid.
[06:30] <lordievader> Or you let lvm do all the raid stuff ;)
[06:33] <LegitFemale> i shall research these options
[06:40] <LegitFemale> so... in the simplest sense, I would create a partial md on my formatted drive, then from a (for example) USB live disk, I would copy the partitions from my existing disk to the partial md disk, re-create grub, and then I am good?
[06:42] <LegitFemale> oops, then I would boot from my partial md disk, ensure everything is good, then assemble the raid1
[06:42] <lordievader> That is not the simplest, the simplest is either using lvm or starting from scratch. This can be quite troublesome.
[06:42] <lordievader> LegitFemale: I'd make sure you have a backup before you start any of this.
[06:43] <LegitFemale> if i was using an out-of-the-box setup that didn't have loads of custom scripts and data scatted throughout, then yeah, starting from scratch would be easier
[06:43] <LegitFemale> i don't think i understand the lvm option though - how is that not starting from scratch?
[06:44] <lordievader> LegitFemale: You already have lvm setup. You can simply add a disk and tell it to convert lv's to raid1.
[06:45] <lordievader> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LVM#Mirroring_.28RAID1.29
[06:47] <LegitFemale> my lvm is within luks though
[06:48] <lordievader> Are you using 15.04 by any chance?
[07:43] <mariano> Is it possible to install the newest stable versions of kde apps (i.e. okular 0.22) on xubuntu 14.04?
[08:28] <misterno> do you guys find transparency somewhat annoying
[08:29] <misterno> i gave that effect quite some time to get used to and still cant
[08:29]  * lordievader loves transparency, a pure black terminal is boring.
[08:30] <misterno> i meant transparency effect when moving windows, which is default effect in 15.04
[08:38] <MoonUnit`> don't mind the transparency
[09:59] <misterno> im not sure if it's same with ubuntu since i only tried kubuntu so far but these oxygen fonts seem too narror and tiny
[09:59] <misterno> and not very readable as set by default on the level of whole OS
[10:00] <misterno> so for example in firefox very many elements that rely on OS fonts now seem quite tiny and not very readable
[10:02] <lordievader> Use something else ;)
[10:04] <misterno> im looking into it
[10:05] <misterno> have to figure out what is all that needs changing
[10:06] <misterno> or perhaps it would be better to try and find complete themes
[10:14] <AbuDhar> xD
[10:14] <AbuDhar> you can find many themes
[10:16] <misterno> do you install new fonts ?
[10:18] <misterno> themes are somewhat unclear to me
[10:18] <misterno> theres a lot of "settings" around the system
[10:25] <misterno> im not sure in understand what is "Look and feel" tab for under Workspace themes setting in system appearance settings
[10:26] <misterno> also it's not clear to me yet what are the distinctions between various themes, is there one all-encompassing theme or not
[10:37] <LegitFemale> hello my good friends   --- if i paste this into terminal and hit enter, right now -- what will happen? sudo mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --metadata=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda /dev/sdb
[10:41] <Toolbox> LegitFemale: Are you trying to set up a RAID array?
[10:42] <LjL-Alps> ikonia: the above seems slightly suspect
[10:44] <LegitFemale> Toolbox, yeah, without destroying the data on sda, except the location of the superblock/metadata of course
[10:56] <LegitFemale> alright, don't worry about it. cross posted to six channels and it has been resolved.
[11:00] <lordievader> LegitFemale: You do know crossposting is frowned upon?
[11:01] <lordievader> If not, it is frowned upon.
[11:02] <misterno> hmm it seems repositories are added in few different ways and also it seems they are differently stored on disk
[11:02] <LegitFemale> thanks lordievader. jelly in ##linux and ##debian, as well as svetlana in ##linux and ##topchat have also informed me of this taboo.
[11:02] <misterno> at first i thought repositories are added in few different ways but still stored identically on disk
[11:07] <LegitFemale> lordievader, so... if I was enter that command into terminal... what WOULD happen? nothing? would it just spit out an error? the command really doesn't identify which disk is the source disk, and sda is mounted, so it couldn't be formatted.......
[11:10] <lordievader> LegitFemale: I hope for you it stops with the error saying there is data on the disk. Else it'll wipe both disks.
[11:10] <LegitFemale> well...
[11:11] <LegitFemale> i'm not going to do that, i'm going to do what we discussed, which is to create a broken raid and then expand it
[11:12] <LegitFemale> but, instead of doing it on a formatted drive (or using an lvm), i'm going to backup my sda (dd unmounted of course) and then see if I can create a broken raid while it is mounted, shut down, and see if it boots, then expand
[11:12] <misterno> what raid type you going for
[11:12] <LegitFemale> because i like to test things :)
[11:12] <LegitFemale> raid 1
[11:12] <lordievader> LegitFemale: Your command does not create a degraded raid.
[11:12] <LegitFemale> lordievader, i know. i will work on modifying my command now.
[11:13]  * LegitFemale types man mdadm into terminal
[11:14] <LegitFemale> not sure if it is this simple... still reading. 	mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --metadata=1 --raid-devices=1 /dev/sdb
[11:14] <lordievader> LegitFemale: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Convert_a_single_drive_system_to_RAID
[11:15] <misterno> what does it mean when checkboxes are only half checked http://s9.postimg.org/9yxkabxr3/screenshot_24.png
[11:15] <misterno> also does blur desktop effect work for you?
[11:16] <LegitFemale> lordievader, much appreciated. this guide will be perfect.
[11:18]  * LegitFemale hugs lordievader, kisses him on the lips, and smiles as she stares deeply into lordievader's eyes.
[11:20] <lordievader> Err, what just happened....
[11:20]  * lordievader stares in disbelief
[11:21] <misterno> you became a father
[11:21] <lordievader> I hope not.
[11:34] <misterno> many sites use verdana font, which is windows font while fallback in kubuntu is often on arial
[11:35] <misterno> this affects readability
[11:37] <lordievader> misterno: You can configure all that to your likeing.
[11:38] <misterno> that's a given
[11:39] <misterno> the trick is now spending time and figuring out solution that is decently acceptable
[11:40] <misterno> too much configuratbility needed to get to where you wanna be and you are in troubles of spending time configuring things rather than using them
[11:41] <misterno> which is why it's important to have quality defaults
[11:42] <lordievader> The likeing of defaults are heavily subjective.
[11:42] <misterno> it doesn't matter since they are there
[11:42] <misterno> and standards and expectations do exist
[11:43] <misterno> no matter how impossible or hard to be precisely defined
[11:44] <lordievader> At least here you can change them without too much effort.
[11:44] <misterno> what do you mean by "here"
[11:44] <misterno> what would be "there" ?
[11:44] <lordievader> Linux.
[11:44] <misterno> lol
[11:44] <lordievader> Or Linux distro's, however you want it.
[11:44] <misterno> you guys are so stuck into us vs them ideology
[11:45] <lordievader> No, I'm not.
[11:45] <misterno> for no reason you introduced it now
[11:45] <misterno> :)
[11:45] <lordievader> I'm pointing out differences.
[11:46] <misterno> for what reason?
[11:46] <lordievader> Do I need one?
[11:47] <misterno> yeah, generaly we speak with reasons and don't utter words mindlessly out of our mouths :)
[11:50] <misterno> do you understand the nuance of setting up fonts to show as close to as expected in webpages?
[11:50] <lordievader> What?
[11:51] <misterno> it's not as simple as it might seem at first look, like changing a resolution of desktop
[11:53] <misterno> webpages usually use sets of fonts to display elements on them
[11:53] <misterno> different OSes have different font families
[11:53] <misterno> so what devs do is they use multiple fallbacks in case one font is missing or doesn't exist, then there is a fall back to suitable other font
[11:54] <lordievader> If websites care that much about their fonts they can add the fonts to the websites.
[11:54] <misterno> this way they cover wide range of OSes
[11:54] <lordievader> Anyhow this is getting rather offtopic, shall we move to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[11:54] <misterno> i dont think this is a time to be prescriptive about how webpages should be developed
[11:54] <misterno> rather im being descriptive about how things are
[11:55] <misterno> well it's somewhat on topic
[11:55] <misterno> since im using kubuntu and have to figure out a way to set this in more acceptable fashion
[11:56] <lordievader> It has nothing to do with Kubuntu support. Thus it is offtopic.
[11:57] <misterno> how do you define kubuntu support then?
[11:57] <lordievader> If you want to continue the discussion join #kubuntu-offtopic.
[11:57] <lordievader> Supporting people with problems they might have with the Kubuntu distro.
[11:58] <misterno> aren't fonts distributed in distro part of what Kubuntu distro is?
[11:59] <lordievader> Yes. But whatever the default may be is and wether that is correct or not does not fall under support.
[11:59] <lordievader> If you want to continue this discussion join #kubuntu-offtopic. I will not continue it here.
[12:01] <misterno> but isn't part of support trying to help users resolve their individual issues and needs that are related to Kubuntu
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:07] <ikonia> LjL-Alps: sorry - was away from keyboard, what's up ?
[13:08] <LjL-Alps> ikonia: nevermind, LegitFemale had posted a command line that seemed at least suspicious, but i couldn't interpret it
[13:09] <ikonia> understood
[13:10] <BluesKaj> so legitfemale may not be posting legit commands
[13:11] <ikonia> it's ok
[13:11] <ikonia> it's a valid raid command, probably better using assemble or build rather than create
[13:31] <BluesKaj> ikonia:  how do i get ris of unwanted ramdisk ? My son recommended it , but i don't think I need it
[13:32] <AbuDhar> unwanted ramdisk?
[13:32] <AbuDhar> :S
[13:34] <BluesKaj> sudo fdisk -l shows 15 /dev/ram*s
[13:35] <BluesKaj> like so: Disk /dev/ram15: 64 MiB, 67108864 bytes, 131072 sectors
[14:31] <lordievader> BluesKaj: As in the counterpart of tmpfs?
[14:35] <ikonia> BluesKaj: ramdisk ?
[14:35] <ikonia> BluesKaj: in what respect ?
[14:35] <ikonia> you just mounted on ?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> ikonia:  I'm not sure what he did, and googling "deleting ramdisk " doesn't find anything useful, only temporary umounts etc
[14:46] <ikonia> just mount it
[14:46] <ikonia> if it's a file - delete it, if it's a ram disk, it will remove when you unmount it
[14:46] <lordievader> BluesKaj: How does your fstab look?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> lordievader:  fstab is ordinary, nothing new there, but I did unmount the /dev/ram*
[14:49] <lordievader> Ok, then they are not what I think they are.
[14:50] <BluesKaj> ikonia:  yes but it must cached to startuo at boot , because I see /dev mounting in the bootscreen and it's taking 90 extra secs to boot
[14:51] <ikonia> BluesKaj: is it mounted now ?
[14:51] <BluesKaj> no
[14:52] <BluesKaj> idid a: sudo umount -t tmpfs tmpfs /dev/ram*
[14:52] <BluesKaj> umounted 15 /dev/rams
[14:53] <BluesKaj> or 16 actaually including /dev/ram0
[14:55] <BluesKaj> but it remounts at bootup ,. I thought clearing the ram cache might work, but there must be a command /script  in systemctl telling the ramdisk to load/mount at boot
[14:56] <BluesKaj> that's what i want to get rid of
[14:57] <ikonia> tmpfs shouldn't re-mount unless it's in the fstab
[14:57] <ikonia> or in an init script
[15:07] <BluesKaj> sudo systemctl -l  ,shows this : sys-devices-virtual-block-ram0.device
[15:10] <Dragnslcr> I don't have that listed by systemctl
[15:13] <BluesKaj> Dragnslcr: did you install ramdisk?
[16:29] <zinhar> aa
[16:29] <zinhar> iea
[16:30] <zinhar> hi
[16:37] <zinhar> .
[17:09] <Voyage> HI
[17:10] <Voyage> How to calibrate display? Can someone please help me fix the brightness and contrast of my lcd. I really am pissed. (our of 100 I guess) what are the optimal values for long time usage.
[17:14] <Stalwatr> http://random-musings.org/whoa5.txt
[17:14] <Stalwatr> Enjoy ^
[17:18] <misterno> oh you started at 1 and figured it out at 5? :)
[17:43] <Voyage> can anyone one tell me their brightness and contrast values of their lcd (our of 100)?
[17:44] <misterno> 100 on my monitor
[17:44] <misterno> for brightness
[17:44] <misterno> contrast is at 65
[17:46] <misterno> oh i just learned how to make Dolphin open files with root access
[17:46] <misterno> or folders
[18:00] <Voyage> hm
[18:01] <Voyage> misterno,  thanks
[18:01] <misterno> why did you ask
[18:02] <AEL-H> Does ubuntu have something similar to the 'host' command? It is not available on ubuntu 12.04
[18:03] <misterno> what does it do
[18:03] <LjL-Alps> i don't know, but surely you could just install it
[18:04] <misterno> my kubuntu has host command by default, i didnt install it
[18:04] <misterno> v15.04
[18:04] <misterno> with backports updates
[18:04] <Voyage> to get an idea
[18:05] <misterno> you surely know that data you get that way is so arbitrary that is almost useless?
[18:10] <Voyage> hm
[18:10] <misterno> do i have to pay attention when some package/update/feature for application/etc downloaded from internet says ... for kde 4?
[18:10] <misterno> im not sure i know enough about how applications work
[18:11] <misterno> im assuming applications are making calls to draw window and window elements from specific framework/desktop environment?
[22:03] <mattie_> hello!
[22:03] <mattie_> eh, anyone here?
[22:05] <soee> :)
[22:41] <a_> hey guys. i am at the moment downloading kubuntu (14.04 lts). would you say that kde5 is stable and mature enough by now?
[22:41] <Finetundra__> Kde 5 isn't in 14.04
[22:41] <a_> or should i go with kde4? if i should go with 4, how is it possible (if at all) to download 14.04 lts with it
[22:41] <a_> oh
[22:42] <a_> Finetundra__, what is in 14.04? 4?
[22:42] <Finetundra__> Yeah
[22:42] <bprompt> a_:     kde4 IIRC has 4.13
[22:42] <a_> ok, guys. thanks
[22:42] <a_> bprompt, wow, you are everywhere
[22:43] <a_> windows didn't work.. it crashes after the updates and the drivers are not working properly, i am back with linux
[22:43] <bprompt> ohh yes, the windowsupdate stuff
[22:43] <bprompt> a_:    win7 right?
[22:43] <a_> bprompt, yes
[22:44] <bprompt> a_:     hmm windowsupdate   I turn that stuff off right after a install, IMO is more hassle than help =)
[22:44] <a_> bprompt, :P
[22:44] <bprompt> a_:    and when needing a driver, I simply get it from the OEM, or the chipset maker
[22:45] <a_> bprompt, yeah, got the drivers from the HP site, still it didnt work properly. maybe it has to do because my laptop is uefi
[22:46] <bprompt> a_:    I'm not saying windowsupdate is bad, just that it marks every single update as "critical" or "important" in some way, when it actually depends on what the OS is being used for
[22:46] <a_> bprompt, ok
[22:46] <bprompt> a_:     what drivers were you missing anyway?
[22:47] <a_> bprompt, no drivers were missing, they just wouldnt work properly
[22:47] <a_> it was like i never installed them
[22:48] <bprompt> a_:    hmm not sure I follow that, the drivers were there... but?   which ones?
[22:51] <a_> bprompt, all of them. i used HP's assistant software that installed them
[22:52] <bprompt> a_:     why didn't you just install them manually?   download them from the HP site and install them
[22:52] <a_> bprompt, when it didn't work, i formatted and did that, i installed them manually getting the right ones from the site, but the graphics didnt work properly
[22:54] <valorie> misterno: very bad idea to open files in your /home with sudo /root
[22:54] <valorie> you will mess up your permissions
[22:54] <misterno> what you mean
[22:55] <misterno> how will i mess up permissions?
[22:55] <misterno> you need to explain more
[22:55] <misterno> maybe you dont understand my intentions
[22:55] <valorie> !chmod
[22:55] <valorie> misterno: ^^^
[22:55] <misterno> oh god
[22:55] <misterno> valorie plz
[22:55] <valorie> !root
[22:56] <valorie> etc.
[22:56] <valorie> basic stuff
[22:56] <misterno> are you refering to me asking how to install rootactions ?
[22:57] <bprompt> a_:     well...  so, all drivers worked, but video?
[22:58] <a_> bprompt, that's what it seemed like
[22:58] <bprompt> a_:    so, get the drivers from the chipset maker then, intel or nvidia or amd
[22:58] <bprompt> or whoever else
[22:59] <valorie> misterno: I'm saying that unless the system itself prompts you to put in your password, you should avoid running as root and/or sudo
[22:59] <a_> bprompt, got tired of working with it, now i am back with linux, i will just use wine because at uni we use windows software mostly
[22:59] <valorie> and if you have done so, you may need to chown your home
[23:00] <bprompt> a_:   hmm k :P
[23:00] <misterno> valorie does that apply to editing txt files as root?
[23:00] <valorie> depends on where they are
[23:00] <valorie> in your home, certainly
[23:00] <misterno> why it depends where they are?
[23:00] <valorie> because you are the owner of all the files in your /home
[23:00] <valorie> or you should be
[23:01] <misterno> and what happens when i open txt file as root to edit?
[23:01] <valorie> if you edit or create one in your /home as root, it will be owned by root
[23:01] <valorie> you can fix it by `chown -R owner:owner ~/
[23:01] <misterno> ok so you thought i would like to install rootactions to edit files in home as root that i already own ?
[23:02] <valorie> if it returns nothing, everything was fine
[23:02] <valorie> where owner=youruser
[23:02] <misterno> it's it more sensible to think i would like to install root actions to edit files that require root access? :)
[23:02] <valorie> you would be amazed how often people use sudo dolphin in their /home
[23:03] <valorie> especially for settings
[23:03] <misterno> oh im sure ill make a mistake here and there and thanks for jumping to try to give me example of how i might mess up :D
[23:03] <misterno> but you need to be more clear in what you assume my intentions are
[23:03] <misterno> so that i can tell you what they are
[23:03] <valorie> I do not mean to offend and assume that you don't know what you're doing
[23:03] <misterno> i want to snoop around root
[23:03] <misterno> and there are some files that require root
[23:04] <valorie> but there are many people here who are beginners
[23:04] <misterno> so instead of going to console and opening from there
[23:04] <valorie> yes, many of them
[23:04] <misterno> why not open as root with right click from dolphin?
[23:04] <valorie> as I said, depends on where you are
[23:04] <misterno> but why on earth would i be opening as root in my home?
[23:04] <misterno> when i can just open files with a click
[23:04] <valorie> dot files are usually just text, and can be edited
[23:05] <valorie> fun reading at times
[23:05] <valorie> bbiam
[23:05] <misterno> i dont know but i thought it would be handy to have these root actions in right click :)
[23:05] <misterno> i just have to figure out how to install it in service menus
[23:05] <misterno> because dolphin has option to download services but it's downloading old version and it isnt installing properly
[23:05] <misterno> now i downloaded newer version but must figure out how to install :D
[23:07] <misterno> just to be clear, opening txt file as root doesnt change permissions right? it's saving file as root?
[23:10] <valorie> misterno: yes
[23:10] <misterno> valorie so can you help me figure out how to install this
[23:16] <misterno> so .sh files are installation files?
[23:18] <misterno> i dont get where is dolphin fetching these files from
[23:18] <misterno> and why i cant find it in repositories
[23:27] <unascribed> I've started having strange flickering issues on Kubuntu CI Weekly Unstable - whenever I minimize a window or a new window pops up, the entire desktop flickers. Disabling the "Blur" effect fixes it, but I'd prefer to leave it on.
[23:27] <unascribed> This happened after I attempted to update to Daily, but it broke *everything*, so I rolled back to Weekly using ppa-purge
[23:28] <unascribed> any ideas, or should I just turn off Blur and call it good?
[23:35] <unascribed> I'm going to be minimizing my client, if anyone has any ideas on how to fix this ping me so I notice
[23:44] <misterno> valorie here is perfect example why i want rootactions, trying to install root actions i need to copy a file to /usr/bin and cant in dolphin
[23:45] <misterno> using root actions would probably allow me to copy with root privs
[23:49] <a_> guys, how do i add a new language on kde 4 (i mean keyboard layout)
[23:49] <a_> i added the language on locales
[23:49] <a_> ow what
[23:50] <unascribed> well, it would appear the flickering was my monitor giving up on life
[23:50] <unascribed> :/
[23:50] <unascribed> keeps saying "Wrong Cable, please use a Dual Link DVI cable" and half the image is glitching in and out while it randomly restarts
[23:51] <unascribed> Unplugged it and plugged it back in, and it won't turn back on
[23:55] <a_> never mind i figured out