[05:53] <maps> morning
[06:02]  * ball waves
[06:04] <maps> ;]
[06:14] <ball> I should go to bed.
[06:14] <maps> me too;p 0;14
[06:14] <maps> watching tv though
[08:59] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[15:50]  * brobostigon wonders if google will release and android wear version based on android 6, especially as they have released wear 1.3 based on 5.1.1, so close to android 6 release.
[16:58] <dangoo87> hey there, I'm having issues getting ubuntu to recognise my soundcard - the only device listed is the hdmi monitor speakers, I've tried a few fixes from this: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/fix-hda-intel-realtek-alc887-no-sound.html and linked threads: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=314383 but so far I'm having no luck, does anyone have any experience of this and how to resolve?
[16:59] <dangoo87> my mobo is the asus z170-a with the onboard sound
[17:22] <directhex> dangoo87: looks like realtek alc892, should be well supported
[17:23] <dangoo87> I've just been speaking on #ubuntu and it appears that I don't have alsamixer installed/working properly.  I've tried to reinstall and followed a few different ways but it's still not working (alsamixer - no such file or directory)
[17:23] <directhex> yeah, those people aren't useful.
[17:24] <directhex> cat /proc/asound/cards
[17:24] <dangoo87> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12175563/
[17:25] <directhex> hm
[17:26] <directhex> sudo modprobe snd-hda-codec-realtek
[17:26] <directhex> dmesg | tail -10
[17:27] <dangoo87> that last command gave a huge wall of text
[17:27] <dangoo87> want me to pastebinit?
[17:28] <directhex> yes
[17:29] <dangoo87> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12175607/
[17:29] <directhex> nothing relevant or related
[17:30] <directhex> ok
[17:30] <directhex> my guess here is that it's a new minor minor sub-revision of alc892, which isn't supported by the kernel you're using. you can try a PPA with a bleeding edge kernel
[17:31] <dangoo87> any idea where I can find that information - I'm reasonably familiar with linux but not that familiar to know where to find these (I can copy/paste terminal commands to add ppa's basically :) )
[17:32] <dangoo87> alsamixer is there in the /usr/bin folder (I've just been doing some research), but it won't let me run it.
[17:34] <directhex> it's irrelevant. people who don't understand ubuntu have been leading you on a wild goose chase
[17:34] <directhex> alsa doesn't know your motherboard audio exists. alsamixer won't change that
[17:35] <dangoo87> fair enough, you seem a lot more confident in what you're saying so I'm happy to sack those guys off and stick with you, so far #u-uk seems much more helpful from what i've seen in the last couple of days
[17:35] <directhex> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds for info on downloading mainline kernel builds. you want the absolute latest, which is 4.2-rc7 i think
[17:38] <dangoo87> i'm on 14.04.03
[17:38] <dangoo87> will that matter? should I upgrade to wily?
[17:42] <directhex> hm
[17:42] <directhex> well, a first step, since you're on LTS
[17:42] <directhex> is the HW enablement pack. let me grab you the URL
[17:43] <dangoo87> thanks for this, I understand most of this, but I'm trying to figure out how I would go about updating the kernel/ppa and stuff, and I'm drawing a complete blank
[17:44] <directhex> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Desktop
[17:44] <directhex> that'l give you 3.19, which is certainly newer
[17:45] <directhex> not bleeding edge, but newer
[17:46] <dangoo87> i ran (both) the terminal lines in that link, it said they're all the latest version
[17:49] <dangoo87> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12175768/
[17:49] <dangoo87> (if that helps at all)
[17:51] <dangoo87> is it worth me upgrading to 15.04 directhex ?
[17:51] <directhex> hmmmm
[17:51] <directhex> i think i would, for skylake
[17:52] <dangoo87> do I need to do a backup with clonezilla or anything before I do this, or is it relatively safe to do so without losing everything?
[17:53] <directhex> i didn't think it was worth trying 14.04 when i built my haswell-e rig
[17:53] <directhex> ehm, should be pretty safe
[17:53] <dangoo87> I just went with the LTS
[17:53] <dangoo87> best way is to just get the download from the site and put it on a usb stick?
[17:54] <directhex> mmmmmmmm......... no, you'd want to do the upgrade in-distro. but going direct to 15.04 from 14.04 isn't supported
[17:54] <directhex> the tools will offer 14.10 first
[17:54] <dangoo87> I see, I saw this thread: http://askubuntu.com/questions/618741/update-ubuntu-14-04-to-15-04
[18:02] <dangoo87> directhex, ok i'm going to start the upgrade process now, i may pop back in on another irc handle to seek further advice as necessary - thanks SO much for your help, hopefully the upgrade will go a long way to resolving this issue
[18:02] <directhex> dangoo87: at least being on 15.04 will be a better base for trying a 4.2 kernel
[18:02] <directhex> not sure they work on lts
[18:04] <dangoo87> yeah, that makes sense
[18:06] <daftykins> dangoo87: are you the friend and system owner of the guy that was in yesterday?
[18:06] <dangoo87> yes
[18:06] <dangoo87> technically, i'm the friend, i'm just using his account
[18:07] <dangoo87> he's sat on the bed dreading the inevitable loss of all data and having to start again
[18:07] <daftykins> funny, he said audio was working fine yesterday
[18:07] <dangoo87> we got audio working on the hdmi, but we can't get it working if we plug in the headset + mic and everything
[18:07] <daftykins> oh i thought it was the headphones in the front
[18:09] <dangoo87> wait, should i try it in the back?
[18:09] <daftykins> nah directhex knows his stuff - i'm sure you're on the winning course now :)
[18:10] <dangoo87> ok cool, i'll be on my supermanintights account shortly as it might be best not to mess with this machine while upgrading
[18:15] <Supermanintights> Well it's upgrading, however the internet speed is diabolical - 250kb/s :(
[18:18] <daftykins> kilobits per second? so 30KB/sec? :P
[18:22] <Supermanintights> kB/s
[18:23] <Supermanintights> I think that is kilobytes
[18:23] <Supermanintights> i hope it is
[18:23] <daftykins> rubbish rural connection or are you on a bad mirror?
[18:23] <Supermanintights> both i think
[18:23] <daftykins> ah talktalk broadband too
[18:23] <daftykins> good times
[18:24] <Supermanintights> i think it should download normally around 800-1meg, but this post code can't get superfast, despite the local exchange having it enabled
[18:24] <Supermanintights> my life would be so much easier if i took it home and did it all from there, but I'm not allowed
[18:24] <Supermanintights> fetching file 631/1557 :(
[18:24] <daftykins> =]
[18:25] <Supermanintights> I have to do this one more time afterwards as well, to go to 15.04
[18:25] <daftykins> i'd have totally nuked it.
[18:25] <Supermanintights> he spent all night and morning downloading games, I'm not allowed to nuke it
[18:26] <daftykins> right but they live on the 1TB right?
[18:26] <daftykins> so you only format / during the install and bam, they're all still there
[18:26] <Supermanintights> Never, ever allow anyone you know to know that you're technically gifted. Worst mistake ever
[18:26] <daftykins> :D
[18:26] <Supermanintights> I actually think he fucked that up, and everything is on the SSD
[18:27] <daftykins> family friendly on the language
[18:27] <daftykins> well that's still a move away
[18:27] <Supermanintights> ah my bad, sorry
[18:27] <daftykins> and too late for that, been helping friends for over 20 years :D
[18:27] <daftykins> one friends house, damn his little brother managed to trash and fill systems with porn on a monthly basis
[18:28] <Supermanintights> that's always fun
[18:30] <Supermanintights> it appears that although he didn't know it at the time (so fault lies with him), that he couldn't use his 1tb as all the ownership and permissions were set for the root account, and not for the 'daniel' account, I've just had to set that up for him
[18:31] <daftykins> yeah that would've been another step probably
[18:31] <daftykins> i think i was at my help limit for the day already by then
[18:32] <Supermanintights> at this stage, it's probably quicker to do the two upgrades than any moving and reinstall of the system.  plus it's experience for him, I'm going to stay here to do the first one with him, the second one we'll do remotely
[18:32] <daftykins> yeah there's always multiplayer screen sessions for fun
[18:33] <Supermanintights> haha, that's all good, it's good experience for me (and him when he pays attention), you were a major help especially with the gfx card. his dota on max settings looked lovely
[18:33] <Supermanintights> what is the best way for me to remote help him from windows to ubuntu?
[18:33] <Supermanintights> teamviewer?
[18:33] <daftykins> SSH :P
[18:33] <Supermanintights> would I get to see his screen that way?
[18:33] <daftykins> nope
[18:33] <daftykins> TV is alright
[18:34] <Supermanintights> then I can see that increasing my headache ten fold :P
[18:34] <daftykins> hmm?
[18:34] <daftykins> don't use it yourself then i take it? (i don't)
[18:34] <Supermanintights> I do a bit, for my website, but my knowledge is flimsy
[18:35] <Supermanintights> too long of a period between using means that I forget the vast majority of stuff I learn, and it's a slow process
[18:35] <daftykins> best way is to write notes for yourself on how to do things
[18:35] <daftykins> then rewrite them when redoing the system for a newer LTS
[18:36] <Supermanintights> yeah, I've recently got into kali so I'm doing that with most things going forward
[18:36] <daftykins> oh dear, the budding "hackers" choice
[18:36] <Supermanintights> I love the idea of pen testing (white hat), it's really fascinating to me
[18:37] <daftykins> ;]
[18:37] <daftykins> they're moving to debian so i hear
[18:37] <zleap> Supermanintights: maybe Ashley Madison should have paid attention to that too
[18:37] <zleap> and others
[18:37] <Supermanintights> I've recently got a job working in IT support (start tomorrow), and I've already said that my long term focus is on eventually IT security
[18:37] <Supermanintights> haha zleap :)
[18:38] <Supermanintights> yeah kali 2.0 has moved to debian, quite a big change from the old kali
[18:40] <daftykins> right, best do a shop run before i get too lazy
[19:21] <diddledan_> evenin
[19:21] <shauno> wibble.
[19:22] <diddledan_> wobble
[19:22] <daftykins> ah diddledan 2.0
[19:25] <diddledan_> 2.1
[19:25] <diddledan_> I'm the bugfixed version of 2.0
[19:26] <daftykins> ah har, and you found out where you're coming from too!
[19:26] <diddledan_> yeah I think it was my tablott
[19:28] <diddledan_> (spelign was correct!)
[19:28] <daftykins> :D
[19:33] <diddledan_> o_O why is googley chrome giving me weather info for unterwossen?
[19:34] <daftykins> storms in your unterhosen?
[19:38] <MartijnV1S> diddledan_: maybe it thinks you're unter wasser?
[20:02]  * diddledan_ listening to linux-action-show from today - tar-jizz
[20:18] <foobarry> hello
[20:18] <foobarry> what does slack do that irc doesn't?
[20:19] <zmoylan-pi> charge?
[20:19] <diddledan_> lol
[20:19] <diddledan_> yeah I don't like this movement to slack
[20:19] <diddledan_> wordpress development has all moved to slack
[20:20] <foobarry> evernote is chewing up notes
[20:20] <foobarry> it dosn't work properly
[20:20] <foobarry> i've seen notes disppear before my eyes
[20:20]  * zmoylan-pi laments the fantastic memo app on palm os
[20:22] <zmoylan-pi> the one on symbian didn't have a search for years, the one on iphone kept corrupting on me
[20:22] <daftykins> fruity tech!
[20:23] <zmoylan-pi> the sharp zaurus didn't have one till i reconfigured contacts :-)
[20:23] <diddledan_> daftykins: wanna get fruity?
[20:24]  * diddledan_ proposes wet teeshirt competition
[20:24] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zvkt8o5ilfts9q1/IMG_20150823_195545.jpg?dl=0
[20:24] <daftykins> i already am, with Bishop's Finger
[20:24] <diddledan_> omg
[20:25] <diddledan_> ooh and an old peculier
[20:25] <diddledan_> you're having a threesome!
[20:25] <daftykins> yep! £6 for 3
[20:25] <Supermanintights> Hey guys, how's it going?
[20:26] <diddledan_> Supermanintights: my undearwear are on the outside :-(
[20:26] <daftykins> about par for the sunday night i think
[20:26] <diddledan_> lol
[20:26] <zmoylan-pi> and i really miss been able to beam notes with palmos
[20:26] <Supermanintights> :)
[20:26] <Supermanintights> underwear on the outside is the best, and really, only way to wear it
[20:26] <diddledan_> :-)
[20:27] <diddledan_> I prefer stockings tho. makes the supersuit more .... fun
[20:27] <Supermanintights> if my new employers didn't have obsolete and frankly, medieval views on fashion and apparel I would wear it that way to work
[20:27] <diddledan_> really I should be beardy supergirl
[20:28] <Supermanintights> speaking of which, the new supergirl show look fun
[20:28] <diddledan_> it does!
[20:28] <diddledan_> I'm looking forward to it
[20:28] <daftykins> the new thing with Sir Patrick Stewart just aired in the US apparently
[20:28] <Supermanintights> the pilot, that I obviously haven't seen as that could be considered illegal, was really good
[20:28] <daftykins> that looked kinda fun to see ol' baldy again
[20:28] <diddledan_> daftykins: I couldn't work out whether it was a fake news show or he actually is a cable news anchor
[20:29] <Supermanintights> although it needs to cut down on certain unnecessary propaganda
[20:29] <Supermanintights> I'm ordering a takeaway to help me get through this hell of fixing another man's computer.  Should I get a burger to go with my pizza, or some chips and scampi/nuggets?
[20:30] <diddledan_> chips!
[20:30] <Supermanintights> chips will come with both the burger and the scampi/nuggets
[20:31] <Supermanintights> I think the nuggets, let's do this.
[20:35] <daftykins> i'm from a land with no takeaway, so i'd enjoy a subway, a mcdonalds, burger king and a KFC please
[20:35] <diddledan_> daftykins: do they do flights to the far isles on a sunday night?
[20:35] <daftykins> mmm, yep
[20:35] <daftykins> last one around 8pm ish i suspect
[20:36] <diddledan_> it's 21:35
[20:36] <diddledan_> methinks you're out of luck
[20:36] <daftykins> Jersey has a mcdonalds and a KFC so i understand
[20:36] <diddledan_> I bet they rub your noses in that fact
[20:37] <diddledan_> I hear sark has a tractor, too!
[20:37] <daftykins> ah no 4:35pm was the last flight
[20:37] <daftykins> from Manchester no less
[20:38] <daftykins> damn Bostonians are beating Kansas City at that thar baseball
[20:38] <zmoylan-pi> of course if it's windy enough you can open an umbrella outside and be blown to the mainland :-)
[20:38] <daftykins> which is exceedingly rude
[20:39] <daftykins> MartijnV1S: that's true
[20:39] <daftykins> oops that was a tab complete fail to rival them all
[20:40] <diddledan_> tabcomplete fail to such an extent that even the first character was wrong
[20:40] <daftykins> yep!
[20:40] <Supermanintights> ok, so the update to 15.04 didn't bring extra sound devices in the sound box, i'm going to try the very latest kernel, does anyone know how to do that?
[20:41] <daftykins> in my defense i have pizza and beer in hand
[20:41] <diddledan_> only 20 orange boxes in the wild?
[20:41] <diddledan_> (ubuntu orange boxes, that is)
[20:41] <Supermanintights> directhex did suggest that earlier
[20:41] <daftykins> !mainline | Supermanintights
[20:41] <lubotu3`> Supermanintights: The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[20:41] <daftykins> grab the newest amd64 .deb you can find
[20:41] <Supermanintights> lubotu is super awesome
[20:41] <Supermanintights> must make everyone's life so much easier
[20:41] <diddledan_> !isitoutyet
[20:41] <lubotu3`> Error: unresolvable <alias> to isitout-#ubuntu-release-party
[20:42] <diddledan_> o_O
[20:42] <diddledan_> someone broke it
[20:43] <Supermanintights> according to: http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html - this 4.2.0-5.5	Ubuntu-4.2.0-5.5	4.2.0-rc7 is what i want
[20:43] <Supermanintights> but I'm not sure how to get it, am I missing a crucial detail?
[20:44] <daftykins> i don't know what your link is
[20:44] <Supermanintights> my link gives the list of mainline kernels, i'm currently scouring FAQ to see if I can figure this out
[20:45] <daftykins> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.2-rc7-unstable/
[20:45] <daftykins> from my link, or rather lubotus
[20:45] <daftykins> so grab the http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.2-rc7-unstable/linux-image-4.2.0-040200rc7-generic_4.2.0-040200rc7.201508162030_amd64.deb
[20:46] <Supermanintights> huh, i'm obviously going daft after 15+ hours of working on this, thanks bud
[20:47] <daftykins> then sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[20:47] <Supermanintights> so save file, rather than opening with ubuntu software center?
[20:47] <Supermanintights> cool
[20:48] <daftykins> yip
[21:03] <Supermanintights> we now have a blank screen with a single flashing cursor after a reboot
[21:03] <Supermanintights> https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t34.0-12/11937949_10156059239885195_1254911374_n.jpg?oh=4abfcaa331e0db3f11400858ab22b60c&oe=55DBC933
[21:03] <Supermanintights> is that normal?
[21:06] <daftykins> wow i've seen better snaps from VHS
[21:06] <daftykins> i suspect your nvidia module didn't generate properly for the new kernel
[21:06] <Supermanintights> in my defence, that's his photo, not mine
[21:06] <Supermanintights> i tested, and we can get to TTY1
[21:07] <daftykins> well you can hold left shift as the system is about to boot from disk and pick an older kernel
[21:07] <daftykins> to boot up normally
[21:07] <Supermanintights> is there no way of getting this kernel to work then?
[21:08] <Supermanintights> https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t34.0-12/11937949_10156059255780195_1156126210_n.jpg?oh=0cda13048b5d7c213a847abf0adb02c2&oe=55DCE3BA
[21:08] <Supermanintights> that might be useful info
[21:08] <daftykins> one step at a time
[21:08] <Supermanintights> ok cool
[21:08] <daftykins> doesn't look useful to me
[21:09] <Supermanintights> so left shift, recovery mode
[21:09] <Supermanintights> i'm on it
[21:11] <daftykins> i'd have thought lightdm would've tried to start at all
[21:13] <Supermanintights> apologies on the delay, I'm being informed that he can't get anything to happen with left shift, spamming, holding, everything - it goes back to the flashing screen
[21:13] <daftykins> too late on it / it's a USB keyboard and isn't configured right
[21:13] <daftykins> escape might also work, dunno
[21:14] <Supermanintights> i'm telling him now, sorry about this
[21:16] <Supermanintights> somehow, he's landed here: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t34.0-12/11920364_10156059287195195_600561285_n.jpg?oh=914b208da8cdfda4972736c003147d2f&oe=55DCF7A5
[21:16] <daftykins> mmm nope power off time
[21:19] <Supermanintights> ok, powered off. now what? or is that advice to me to just walk away and pretend the computer doesn't exist :P
[21:20] <daftykins> is your pal trying to get GRUB by gingerly pressing left shift like one would to enter BIOS, or holding it down? 'cause holding for a sec after the POST logo, if one is even seen on those new platforms, might be the ticket
[21:20] <daftykins> alternatively it might need that kernel removed from live session
[21:20] <Supermanintights> he's apparently 'tried the lot' to get to recovery mode
[21:20] <Supermanintights> I believe he's held it down from the moment he's pressed reset
[21:21] <Supermanintights> if it's live session then that's it for the night as he doesn't have that
[21:21] <daftykins> probably a USB legacy support ption in the BIOS influencing that, but i think that's going to be too much of a challenge
[21:21] <daftykins> yeah, 10pm on a sunday night - not ideal problem solving time
[21:21] <Supermanintights> I feel bad because I bigged up linux and he's had nothing but problems, so I feel it's my responsibility
[21:21] <daftykins> i think the whole endeavour of desiring Linux with bleeding edge hardware is a bit over optimistic to begin with
[21:22] <daftykins> ah so it was you!
[21:22] <Supermanintights> I've explained similar to him, in that the latest hardware might not yet be supported, but if he goes Windows, he won't want to restart
[21:22] <Supermanintights> well, he did say he wanted linux (doesn't want to pay £70 for windows), and I have bigged it up for a while
[21:22] <Supermanintights> I'd say 90:10 his fault
[21:23] <Supermanintights> I'm just the poor IT guy
[21:23] <daftykins> :>
[21:23] <daftykins> if gaming is a top item on the list, sure it's getting better... but damn.
[21:23] <Supermanintights> gaming, streaming, video recording
[21:24] <Supermanintights> it was also useful for me to see how it would work on a top range pc, and if it could work on my laptop well as I want to migrate this one over soon
[21:26] <daftykins> if you care about battery life, that might be the first to go
[21:27] <Supermanintights> I thought there's normally good linux support for battery life?
[21:28] <Supermanintights> tbh, I'm just more annoyed at the >10 minute boot times, for what should be a very strong laptop
[21:32] <daftykins> newp
[21:32] <daftykins> greater than 10 minute boot? wat?
[21:32] <daftykins> with what OS o0
[21:33] <Supermanintights> 8.1
[21:33] <Supermanintights> I get to windows in about 1-2 minutes, but by the time I can actually use it, it's more than 10 minutes
[21:33] <Supermanintights> if there's some form of update, then I genuinely look for a tv show episode to watch while I wait
[21:33] <daftykins> sounds like a bad install
[21:34] <daftykins> but then 8 needs firing out of a cannon into the sun
[21:34] <Supermanintights> I think it's just long past format date, and me very rarely (once a month maybe?) turning it off/restarting has just ruined the machine
[21:35] <daftykins> well i hope you reboot and patch more at your job :P
[21:35] <Supermanintights> haha yeah
[21:35] <Supermanintights> I needed it running as I worked with people on different time zones and needed the messages as they happened back in an old job
[21:36] <Supermanintights> but now I think the fan is broke, my gfx card has gone from running games at high quality effortlessly to struggling on the lowest quality, and it's decidedly worse than when I bought it!
[21:37] <Supermanintights> I just need to save some pennies in order to buy this: http://www.chillblast.com/Chillblast-Fusion-Leviathan-2.html
[21:38] <daftykins> that's a really silly spec, as in pants-on-head retarded
[21:39] <Supermanintights> haha i know right!
[21:39] <daftykins> sounds like you need to take that thing apart and clean it up
[21:39] <daftykins> re-do the thermal paste maybe
[21:39] <Supermanintights> not the thermal paste, but took it apart, carefully cleaned everything
[21:40] <Supermanintights> I do still have that pc world whatever happens thing covering it, so once I can get my macbook pro (not mine, gifted to me from a friend) repaired so I have some thing in the mean time, I'll send it off again
[21:40] <Supermanintights> hopefully that gets it repaired or replaced for a new one
[21:44] <daftykins> someone has a lot of toys
[21:48] <Supermanintights> haha, just picked up over time or people have old ones that they hand to me
[22:01] <diddledan_> yawn
[22:04] <daftykins> *nod*
[22:07]  * zmoylan-pi goes for coffee and a biccie...
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> stand back... it's a monday...
[23:01] <popey> ooh!
[23:12] <daftykins> noooo