| nigelb | 6 | 03:06 |
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| Tm_T | moin | 07:37 |
| MooDoo | morning | 08:04 |
| davidcalle | Morning all o/ | 08:23 |
| czajkowski | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2974148/software/canonical-is-letting-the-ubuntu-software-center-wither-and-die.html#tk.rss_all | 08:37 |
| czajkowski | is this true folks ? | 08:38 |
| popey | czajkowski: which bit? | 08:57 |
| czajkowski | Canonical has silently discontinued the paid app store without informing developers, | 09:21 |
| popey | that doesn't sound good | 09:28 |
| czajkowski | nope it doesn't | 09:30 |
| czajkowski | no problem with stuff not being continued as long as it's communicated out | 09:30 |
| czajkowski | just wondered if there was something that was published on a list I'd not seen so I could point it out on the article | 09:30 |
| popey | ya | 09:31 |
| popey | I have not seen anything posted publicly | 09:31 |
| czajkowski | most odd then | 09:31 |
| mhall119 | czajkowski: FWIW, we've had back-and-forth conversations with Michal about his apps for well over a year now | 13:25 |
| czajkowski | mhall119: fair enough, just seems a rather weird article out there | 13:26 |
| czajkowski | with no other info around it from canonical | 13:26 |
| czajkowski | mhall119: popey are canonical removing the software centre? | 13:27 |
| belkinsa | OMG, I hope they don't. (sorry for butting in) | 13:27 |
| belkinsa | Unless they allow developers of the active projects (A.K.A programs/apps) to move over to the new system. | 13:28 |
| belkinsa | And also have a way to say that this app/program is only for the desktop. | 13:29 |
| mhall119 | czajkowski: there are 2 parts to "the software centre", the desktop app and the server | 13:30 |
| mhall119 | the desktop app is planned to go away when Ubuntu defaults to using Unity 8, because the Store scope serves the same purpose | 13:30 |
| mhall119 | the server is planned to be replaced by the newer click/snappy store, also once Unity 8 is on the desktop | 13:31 |
| belkinsa | Ah, that makes more sense. So, does that mean any of the old stuff in the center will stay on that sever but just be on the new store? | 13:31 |
| popey | czajkowski: no | 13:32 |
| mhall119 | belkinsa: it would need to be re-packed as a Snappy package to go into the new store | 13:37 |
| belkinsa | How hard will that be for these developers? | 13:38 |
| mhall119 | belkinsa: depends on the app, best case it already runs fine under strict confinement and just needs to be re-packaged (snappy is much easier than .deb so that shouldn't be a problem for them) | 13:38 |
| popey | now, hard, later, easier | 13:38 |
| mhall119 | worst case, they don't work under strict confinement,and need code changes to use things like content-hub | 13:39 |
| belkinsa | Ah, okay. | 13:41 |
| * belkinsa was worried there. | 13:41 | |
| belkinsa | One more question: any plans on cleaning up what's in the Center? | 13:42 |
| czajkowski | popey: mhall119 thanks, just seems odd to see this discussion happening on G+ and articles - not sure where it's coming from | 13:46 |
| czajkowski | thanks for answering | 13:46 |
| mhall119 | czajkowski: it's coming from a (justified) frustration from one developer, and extrapolating from there by PCWorld | 13:47 |
| nigelb | Everyone likes hating on Canonical. | 13:48 |
| mhall119 | nigelb: maybe so, but this isn't just "haters gonna hate", Michal really has had bad experience using us to sell his apps | 13:48 |
| mhall119 | also, great to see you around here nigelb :) | 13:49 |
| nigelb | mhall119: I'm always around. Don't always have something to contribute. | 13:49 |
| nigelb | mhall119: Yeah, but the fallout from this is going to be a bunch of hatin' | 13:50 |
| mhall119 | oh probably | 13:51 |
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| popey | czajkowski: mhall119 it's also come about because Ubuntu MATE pulled it from their derivative | 14:13 |
| jose | mhall119: whoops. just read your messages, haven't been on IRC for a week. they did ok, though :D | 14:15 |
| jose | we have some anecdotes, you'll hear soon | 14:15 |
| mhall119 | jose: glad they worked out :) | 14:15 |
| jose | mhall119: btw, did you get my last email? | 14:16 |
| mhall119 | jose: about shipping stuff back, or about OSCON? | 14:17 |
| jose | the OSCON one | 14:17 |
| mhall119 | jose: I assume that would be in the community section of the expo hall? | 14:18 |
| jose | yup, that's the idea | 14:18 |
| jose | however Jon told me I should email Josh asap since they're talking about it really soon | 14:18 |
| mhall119 | jose: figure out the costs and send us the proposal | 14:18 |
| mhall119 | if we can do it with the community donations, it's got my +1 | 14:19 |
| jose | gotcha. will do - drafting that email now | 14:19 |
| czajkowski | popey: mhall119 aye true and convergence is good. just sad when you see threads like this https://plus.google.com/u/0/104302332254763494070/posts/GE7Dzo69ywR?cfem=1 found via another group posting based on the online article as well so unfortunately until people feel addressed correctly it's going to continue | 18:23 |
| popey | czajkowski: what do you think should be done? | 19:56 |
| jcastro | anyone know if hangouts on air still have to be public? | 19:57 |
| jcastro | or can you do like private team calls? | 19:57 |
| jcastro | mhall119: ? | 19:57 |
| popey | i tried | 19:58 |
| popey | it makes them public | 19:58 |
| jcastro | https://support.google.com/plus/answer/4646402?hl=en&authuser=0 | 19:58 |
| popey | joey is the best person to ask i think | 19:58 |
| jcastro | oh, so unlisted. | 19:58 |
| jcastro | ack | 19:58 |
| jcastro | I'll ping him | 19:58 |
| popey | he knows what's enabled and not | 19:58 |
| mhall119 | czajkowski: agreed that it is sad, I wish we had a better option to give him | 20:21 |
| czajkowski | popey: well replied is all he really wanted, and that has been hard across the board at various times. not just in this instance | 20:23 |
| mhall119 | czajkowski: he has been replied to, but the answer he got wasn't one that made him happy (can't blame him, but it was an answer) | 20:24 |
| czajkowski | mhall119: well then that should be clarified on there as the way it's read makes it look like nobody inc you replied which I found strange | 20:25 |
| mhall119 | I didn't reply to the most recent once, but I had replied to earlier ones. The recent ones I passed on to the commercial apps teams | 20:25 |
| mhall119 | but, as Martin replied, the process is bad and the correct fix is Snappy, but it's going to take a while to get there | 20:26 |
| czajkowski | nods | 20:27 |
| mhall119 | we tried to fix it with volunteers, but the ARB collapsed and they never reviewed paid apps anyway | 20:27 |
| mhall119 | we paid a contractor to review paid apps in the review queue, she did some previous versions of Michal's apps, but every time he updates the process has to start all over again | 20:28 |
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