[04:54] <pitti> Good morning
[07:52]  * Sweet5hark has returned.
[07:52] <Sweet5hark> ... and am grinding through my inbox.
[08:03] <didrocks> Sweet5hark: good luck!
[08:05] <Laney> hellooooooooooooooooooooooo
[08:05] <larsu> morning Laney!
[08:05] <larsu> and hi Sweet5hark and didrocks as well
[08:06] <Sweet5hark> heya larsu, Laney, didrocks!
[08:08] <didrocks> re larsu
[08:08] <didrocks> morning larsu
[08:08] <didrocks> and Laney ;)
[08:09] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:09] <seb128> oh Sweet5hark is back too?
[08:09] <larsu> everyone is back!
[08:09] <seb128> hey didrocks Laney larsu Sweet5hark
[08:10] <didrocks> re seb128
[08:10]  * seb128 is sort of away
[08:10] <larsu> sort of?
[08:10] <Laney> yo yo
[08:10] <seb128> London this week and on vac starting friday
[08:10] <larsu> seb128, ah cool. Sprinting?
[08:10] <seb128> yes
[08:11] <Sweet5hark> yeah, we can now open the discussion/flamefest on what was most awesome: Defcon, DebConf, Froscon, CCCamp all happening in the same few weeks ...
[08:12]  * larsu was climbing volcanos and walking through rain forest
[08:15] <Sweet5hark> larsu: thats hard to beat as an off hand comment ...
[08:16] <larsu> :)
[08:16] <seb128> citizenM fail, fire alarm and building evacuate at 3am, we stayed for half an hour in the street
[08:16] <seb128> which seemed an issue with the system, not a real problem
[08:16] <seb128> then we still had half an hour of blinking red lights
[08:17] <larsu> seb128, ugh, annoying
[08:17] <larsu> I hope you got some compensation?
[08:18] <seb128> free breakfast and extra coffee
[08:19] <larsu> seb128, hm :(
[08:23] <darkxst> hey seb128, Laney larsu didrocks
[08:25] <larsu> hi darkxst!
[08:25] <darkxst> where have you been larsu?
[08:25] <seb128> hey darkxst
[08:26] <larsu> darkxst, costa rica
[08:26] <darkxst> larsu, oh wow that would be intersting
[08:26] <larsu> and nicaragua for a couple of days
[08:26] <larsu> it was indeed :)
[08:27] <didrocks> evening darkxst
[08:27] <darkxst> I had my shed warming party on the weekend! was a great night, although the sun came up before we got to bed!
[08:29] <darkxst> larsu, were you looking at gedit update?
[08:29] <larsu> no?!
[08:30] <Laney> good old shed
[08:30] <larsu> good old gedit
[08:30] <darkxst> Laney, shed is an awesome studio apartment now!
[08:30] <larsu> darkxst, we couldn't decide on the headerbar problem last we talked about it
[08:30] <larsu> (can't believe I'm already talking about header bars on the first morning back)
[08:31] <seb128> can't believie it took like an hour before that ;-)
[08:31] <pitti> oh, live in the channel!
[08:31]  * pitti waves good morning to seb128, didrocks, and larsu
[08:31] <larsu> hi pitti!
[08:31] <darkxst> feature freeze did just hit! and I swear I saw screenshots of gedit with the old toolbar last cycle
[08:31] <pitti> larsu: welcome back! we missed you
[08:31] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[08:31] <darkxst> hey pitti
[08:31] <larsu> pitti, thanks :)
[08:33] <darkxst> larsu, but removing headerbars and keeping otherwise the same UI is like 5 lines of code
[08:34] <larsu> darkxst, it's not about the amount of code, it's about the loss of toolbar
[08:34] <darkxst> larsu, the mac port may have lost the old toolbar now as well
[08:35] <didrocks> hey hey pitti!
[08:36] <darkxst> larsu, atleast from screenshots I was shown while you were away
[08:37] <larsu> darkxst, I know, and that's what my preferred solution is as well. But when we last discussed it, people were against it (understandably: it looses the toolbar for no real reason and people like it)
[08:37] <larsu> *loses
[08:37] <darkxst> larsu, some people want the header bars!
[08:37] <larsu> many people don't.
[08:38] <larsu> and they still don't work properly in compiz/unity
[08:39] <willcooke> hey larsu - welcome back!
[08:39] <larsu> shadow is ok now, but no transparancy behind the corners
[08:39] <larsu> willcooke, hi! Thanks. How are you?
[08:39] <darkxst> larsu, isnt that just because .titlebar is set?
[08:39] <seb128> larsu, we have Trevinho in our team to fix issues now though ;-)
[08:39] <willcooke> larsu, good thanks!  Did you have an amazing time?
[08:40] <larsu> seb128, HAHAHAAHHHA
[08:40] <seb128> :-)
[08:40] <larsu> darkxst, hm? in which case?
[08:41] <larsu> willcooke, yes. very much so
[08:41] <darkxst> the cases where you see corners in the non-header bar-ed apps
[08:41] <larsu> willcooke, a mixture of walking through rain forests, lying on beaches, onto volcanos, and drinking chile guaros
[08:42] <larsu> darkxst, no (and .titlebar is set)
[08:42] <darkxst> larsu, oh you talking about using actual headerbars in unity?
[08:44] <larsu> darkxst, I thought you were talking about that...
[08:44] <darkxst> Ive never actually trued that
[08:44] <larsu> in any case, even then we couldn't do it because LIM
[08:44] <larsu> showing the headerbar as a toolbar is very, very ugly
[08:44] <larsu> it works for some apps, but not gedit
[08:46] <willcooke> attente, did you hear that conversation between ted and Kaleo?  About gsettings access?
[09:02]  * Laney gets the main GCC5 transition on his desktop
[09:07] <seb128> excited? ;-)
[09:08] <Laney> already had it on my laptop :P
[09:08] <Laney> no drama
[09:08] <Laney> (boring)
[09:12] <didrocks> Laney: what? you didn't upgrade during debconf? :)
[09:12] <pitti> hey Laney, wie gehts? safe trip back?
[09:12] <Laney> didrocks: my desktop was off :P
[09:12] <Laney> pitti: hey! doing good!
[09:12] <Laney> more delays on the way back :)
[09:12] <Laney> I had to do a late night diversion to my parents
[09:13] <Laney> (which is closer to London than my home)
[09:13] <didrocks> Laney: ah, I for a second thought you tricked me into upgrading first!
[09:13] <didrocks> argh on more delays :/
[09:15] <Laney> someone sent me into a queue which took 10 minutes
[09:15]  * darkxst upgraded the puppies to gcc5 on the weekend for my party, they became normal and didnt try and eat the guests!
[09:15] <Laney> (the wrong queue it turns out)
[09:15] <Laney> and I was less than 10 minutes late for the train
[09:15] <Laney> annoying
[09:17] <darkxst> (real puppies at that!)
[09:18] <Laney> darkxst: your puppies are running the development version of Ubuntu!?!?!?!?!
[09:19] <darkxst> Laney, sure, and perhaps a magic mushrooms got lost at the party also!
[09:24] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, ${QT_INSTALL_BINS}/qmlplugindump -notrelocatable Ubuntu.Content 1.1 ../../
[09:24] <Laney> ah, you can tell there's a sprint going on
[09:24] <Laney> weird out of context lines start appearing :P
[09:25] <pitti> Laney, didrocks: tried "caff" again, and it's an usability nightmare :/ do you have any tips to make that DTRT?
[09:26] <pitti> in particular, it asks for my passphrase on the command line for each key ID, and it throws me into an interactive "gpg>" prompt without telling me what to do
[09:28] <didrocks> pitti: interesting about the passphrase, it only asked me once, I thought it was using an agent
[09:28] <didrocks> weird that it doesn't for you
[09:28] <pitti> what do you do in the gpg prompt?
[09:28] <didrocks> on an how-to, I followed https://wiki.debian.org/caff
[09:29] <didrocks> just type "save"
[09:29] <Laney> I seem to not have it configured atm
[09:29] <pitti> ah, -m yes
[09:29] <pitti> now I remember why I'm still using Keybuk's ancient signkeys.pl -- it just DTRT without any config
[09:32] <didrocks> yeah, you need to edit the config, but once done, it's quite nice
[09:37] <pitti> hm, I don't get around the stupid "save" thing in interactive gpg
[09:39] <pitti> ... or the "passphrase on every key"
[09:39]  * pitti gives up and returns to signkey.pl, for the fourth time :/
[09:39] <didrocks> :(
[09:40] <didrocks> 3% of chance to rain outside… well, we are in the 3 then :p
[09:40] <didrocks> (and really raining, likes cats and dogs)
[09:40] <didrocks> Laney: splitthebill is now Laney-proof, where you add a lot of characters and try to destroy my layout :)
[09:44] <Laney> \o/
[09:46] <darkxst> its raining here!
[09:47] <darkxst> did have a few days of spring the last week though
[09:50] <pitti> didrocks: ah, echo use-agent > ~/.caff/gnupghome/gpg.conf
[09:53] <didrocks> pitti: interesting, I don't even have that file
[09:53] <pitti> neither did I, apparently that was the problem
[09:53] <pitti> use-agent isn't the default
[11:01] <willcooke> tjaalton, hey!  Have you heard any reports in the last month of screen corruption and bad flickering when connecting an external display on Intel gfx?
[11:02] <tjaalton> willcooke: nnope
[11:02] <willcooke> tjaalton, oki, thanks
[11:02] <seb128> on trusty
[11:02]  * willcooke wonders if this is a hardware issue
[11:02] <tjaalton> original trusty? or 14.04.3?
[11:03] <willcooke> I'm on 14.04.3
[11:03] <tjaalton> so it's the vivid kernel
[11:03] <tjaalton> it's semi-broken on broadwell at least
[11:03] <willcooke> just downloading an ISO to test fresh
[11:04] <willcooke> We tried about 3 different kernels going back as far as .49 and it still happened.
[11:04] <willcooke> If I boot with the screen connected, everything works
[11:04] <seb128> tjaalton, we tried to boot older kernels without much luck though
[11:05] <tjaalton> what hw is this?
[11:05] <willcooke> tjaalton, it's a Thinkpad X220
[11:05] <willcooke> X220i if that makes any difference
[11:05] <tjaalton> sandybridge-ish
[11:05] <tjaalton> so kinda old
[11:05] <tjaalton> what's .49?
[11:05] <willcooke> the kernel version
[11:05] <tjaalton> 3.13.0-49?
[11:05] <seb128> tjaalton, kernel version
[11:06] <willcooke> yeah
[11:06] <tjaalton> snb hasn't changed much there, it's fairly stock 3.13
[11:06] <tjaalton> but you get 3.19 with 14.04.3 image
[11:06] <seb128> we lost laney?
[11:07] <willcooke> I'll see if I can find a fellow X220 user with 14.04.3 in the office...
[11:10] <tjaalton> so it's a regression then?
[11:11] <Guest65212> seb128: INCOGNITO!
[11:11] <seb128> lol
[11:11] <Laney> silly freenode
[11:12] <willcooke> tjaalton, If it's a real s/w issue, then yes I think so.  I'll try and boot off this ISO and see what happens...
[11:12] <willcooke> Oh, this from syslog...
[11:12] <larsu> how do we know you're the real Laney?
[11:12] <willcooke> Aug 24 11:52:21 malfunctioning-eddie kernel: [    3.579338] [drm] Wrong MCH_SSKPD value: 0x16040307
[11:12] <willcooke> Aug 24 11:52:21 malfunctioning-eddie kernel: [    3.579341] [drm] This can cause pipe underruns and display issues.
[11:12] <willcooke> Aug 24 11:52:21 malfunctioning-eddie kernel: [    3.579342] [drm] Please upgrade your BIOS to fix this.
[11:12] <willcooke> Aug 24 11:52:21 malfunctioning-eddie kernel: [    3.579681] input: ThinkPad Extra Buttons as /devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/input/input7
[11:12] <seb128> Laney, larsu, darkxst, should we just land new gedit without toolbar this cycle and see how it goes so we can react/adapt next cycle for the lts?
[11:12] <willcooke> Aug 24 11:52:21 malfunctioning-eddie kernel: [    3.611030] device-mapper: multipath: version 1.6.0 loaded
[11:12] <willcooke> Aug 24 11:52:21 malfunctioning-eddie kernel: [    3.635895] Linux video capture interface: v2.00
[11:12] <willcooke> Aug 24 11:52:21 malfunctioning-eddie kernel: [    3.648584] [drm] GMBUS [i915 gmbus dpb] timed out, falling back to bit banging on pin 5
[11:12] <larsu> seb128, strong yes from me
[11:12] <willcooke> tjaalton, any idea if any of that is relevant?   ^
[11:13] <Laney> larsu: you trust my nickserv identification
[11:13] <Laney> :)
[11:13] <larsu> Laney, oh - can I ask it?
[11:13] <Laney> also, I need £10k
[11:13] <tjaalton> willcooke: could be, check if you have bios updates available
[11:13] <Laney> via your local western union office should be fine
[11:13] <larsu> Laney, what bicycle helmet would you suggest me to buy?
[11:13] <Laney> haha
[11:13] <Laney> is this a test?
[11:14] <Laney> I don't wear one :P
[11:14] <willcooke> tjaalton, will do, thx
[11:14] <Laney> seb128: sure, I seem to remember that the osx stuff needs splitting up though
[11:14] <larsu> ok. real Laney. NickServ doesn't know shit!
[11:14] <larsu> Laney, splitting up?
[11:14] <Laney> we want to use the osx ui right?
[11:14] <larsu> didn't my patch land?
[11:14] <Laney> dunno
[11:15] <larsu> if it did, master should do the right thing on unity
[11:15] <larsu> ah wait..., I might be confused
[11:16] <Laney> I know I am
[11:16] <larsu> at least you know it!
[11:26] <larsu> Laney, indeed not: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741904
[11:27] <willcooke> tjaalton, so, turns out popey has the same thing on W and V.  Wondering if something got backported to T recently as part of HWE which is causing it.  I've got an old 14.04.2 ISO which I'm going to try
[11:28] <popey> bug 1421575
[11:29] <popey> willcooke: ^
[11:31] <willcooke> yeah, that's the fella
[11:32] <willcooke> popey, so you copied a monitors.xml and that fixed it? Like, really fixed it?
[11:39] <rickspencer3> hi didrocks
[11:39] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3
[11:40] <rickspencer3> didrocks, so, I got an arduino, I can't remember if there is support in umake for it, though
[11:41] <didrocks> rickspencer3: the support is very limited, as it's just about installing the ide and put you in correct group, but yeah, it should work (I don't have one myself, so relying only on the written tests ;))
[11:41] <didrocks> rickspencer3: with latest version, it should just be "umake ide arduino"
[11:41] <rickspencer3> ok
[11:42] <rickspencer3> didrocks, will it work ok on 14.04?
[11:42] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yes, if you upgraded using the ubuntu-make ppa
[11:42] <didrocks> ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make
[12:47]  * rickspencer3 tries umake ide arduino
[12:49] <willcooke> seb128, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1421575
[12:53] <rickspencer3> didrocks, so, it worked perfectly except for one small thing
[12:54] <rickspencer3> I needed to run sudo chmod a+xrw /dev/ttyUSB0 after connecting the arduino board
[12:54] <rickspencer3> I suspect that this is not totally a no-brainer to fix because it won't always be on ttyUSB0
[12:54] <rickspencer3> but, should I log a bug?
[12:54] <didrocks> rickspencer3: even once you logout and login back?
[12:54] <rickspencer3> didrocks, oh, I didn't do that
[12:54] <didrocks> I'm adding you to the group which should give you access to it
[12:55] <didrocks> hem, was written as the last line :p
[12:55] <rickspencer3> I just ran the ide and attached my arduino
[12:55] <didrocks> yeah, so you are being added to a new group
[12:55] <didrocks> and that's why the final umake message is "please logout and login back"
[12:55] <didrocks> (or something along this line)
[12:55] <rickspencer3> oh
[12:55] <rickspencer3> that would have required reading
[12:55] <rickspencer3> ;)
[12:55] <rickspencer3> ok, nm :)
[12:56] <didrocks> heh, sure :p
[12:56] <didrocks> great to hear that it worked out though :)
[12:56] <willcooke> :D
[12:56] <ogra_> arduino is for people that cant affort snappy boards, right ? :P
[12:57] <rickspencer3> ogra_, well, I met a lot of people recently who love arduino, so i wanted to see what it's all about
[12:57] <rickspencer3> but ...
[12:57] <ogra_> :)
[12:57] <rickspencer3> it seems like a BBB is much more capable
[12:57] <ogra_> yes, it is
[12:57] <rickspencer3> seems like arduino can only run one program
[12:57] <rickspencer3> and I have to write the program in their c language
[12:58] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[12:58] <ogra_> the BBB is an actual computer ... arduino is just a microcontroller
[12:58] <rickspencer3> seems like arduino is just for hacking
[12:58] <rickspencer3> yeah, exactly
[13:00] <rickspencer3> ogra_, I wonder if it might be nice to have a post somewhere about when to use arduino vs. a BBB kind of thing?
[13:01] <rickspencer3> I ask because a lot of people asked me about why they would ever use snappy
[13:01] <ogra_> i bet there are 100s of such articles out there
[13:01]  * ogra_ never googled though :) 
[13:01] <rickspencer3> they obviously never distributed apps, tried to interface with the devices, etc...
[13:04] <ogra_> rickspencer3, the point is that there is about 10x as much documentation and examples for arduino than you find for RPi and BBB together
[13:05] <ogra_> and it is cheap
[13:05] <rickspencer3> ogra_, not even to mention examples for snappy ;)
[13:05] <ogra_> all the five of them ?
[13:05] <ogra_> :)
[13:05] <rickspencer3> ogra_, but, well, I think many people just hack a device together for themselves, and never really worry about distribution, updates, etc...
[13:05] <rickspencer3> much less security
[13:06] <ogra_> yeah, thats the point
[13:06] <ogra_> my heating control doesnt have any security either :) ... my network does thogh
[13:09] <willcooke> rickspencer3, you get really good insight in to the impact of clock speed when you start playing with microcontrollers, and quite how insanely fast 3Ghz is.
[13:13] <davmor2> willcooke: create a simon says game based on it, when nobody can complete it every the proof will be known ;)
[14:04] <Sweet5hark> anyone want to buy facebook and google stock at yesterdays prices? Only selling for EUR not USD, I only buy hard currency ...
[14:12] <desrt> Sweet5hark: O_o
[14:30] <Laney> pitti / didrocks: Care to quickly review https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/xpathselect/g++5/+merge/268923 ?
[14:30]  * Laney spied you are in the right team
[14:31] <pitti> Laney: done
[14:31] <Laney> thanks!
[14:32] <Laney> we should do an Ubuntu test build to find leftovers like this
[14:32] <Laney> it was only autopkgtest that stopped breakage getting through
[14:32] <Laney> (and actually it didn't - unity migrated)
[15:06] <kirkland> Trevinho: didrocks: hey guys!  is there any way to restore the non-unity alt-tab (static application switcher) from the command line?
[15:06] <kirkland> Trevinho: didrocks: I see the ccsm way via http://askubuntu.com/questions/68151/how-do-i-revert-alt-tab-behavior-to-switch-between-windows-on-the-current-worksp
[15:06] <kirkland> Trevinho: didrocks: but I'd really like to do it from the command line, via gconf, or something
[15:06] <Trevinho> kirkland: hi
[15:07] <kirkland> Trevinho: howdy!
[15:07] <Trevinho> kirkland: compiz uses gsettings, then indeed you can do that
[15:07] <Trevinho> kirkland: you've to ensure you use the right settings profile, though
[15:07] <kirkland> Trevinho: nice -- could you help me with that?
[15:08] <Trevinho> kirkland: basically use something like gsettings set org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/<plugin-name>, than tab-completion should help you
[15:09] <Trevinho> kirkland: so for example for setting the active plugins:
[15:09] <Trevinho> gsettings set org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins "['core', 'composite', 'opengl', 'compiztoolbox', 'vpswitch', 'snap', 'mousepoll', 'resize', 'place', 'move', 'wall', 'grid', 'regex', 'imgpng', 'session', 'gnomecompat', 'animation', 'fade', 'unitymtgrabhandles', 'workarounds', 'scale', 'expo', 'ezoom', 'unityshell']"
[15:09] <Trevinho> ("add to that list 'switcher')
[15:09] <kirkland> Trevinho: okay, let me try a few things
[15:10] <Trevinho> err, tab-completion doesn't work... but well you only have to use the same pattern with key-names
[15:10] <Trevinho> kirkland: you can find the option names by listing keys or dconf-editor
[15:14] <didrocks> kirkland: note that switcher needs to be place before unityshell
[15:14] <didrocks> in the active-plugins list
[15:38] <K1Du> hi
[15:48] <K1Du> can anyone help me with 1 issue?
[21:03] <Sweet5hark> hmm, am I seeing ghosts or is clucene-dev uninstallable in wily (proposed)?
[21:31] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, you are seeing ghosts ;P
[21:32] <kenvandine> boo!
[21:32] <kenvandine> :)