| liuxg | does any use Bluetooth APIs on Ubuntu touch？ | 03:45 |
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| dhbiker | hi there | 07:10 |
| dhbiker | i noticed that after charging if you leave it overnight you never get 100% | 07:10 |
| dhbiker | seems like it charges up and leaves it there | 07:11 |
| dhbiker | is it intentional ? | 07:11 |
| lotuspsychje | dhbiker: device and ubuntu touch channel? | 07:12 |
| dhbiker | arale RC proposed | 07:12 |
| lotuspsychje | whats arale? | 07:12 |
| dhbiker | meizu mx4 | 07:12 |
| lotuspsychje | kk | 07:13 |
| lotuspsychje | dhbiker: maybe you can look at the existing bugs | 07:13 |
| lotuspsychje | if its not there file a new bug? | 07:13 |
| dhbiker | well trickle charging is not good for LiPo batteries anyways | 07:14 |
| dhbiker | that's why i'm asking if it's intentional | 07:14 |
| dhbiker | :D | 07:14 |
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| zzarr | hello! is it possible somehow to synchronize the web history between Firefox and the browser in Ubuntu Touch? | 08:02 |
| mpt | seb128, it’s bug 1422206 | 08:03 |
| ubot5 | bug 1422206 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Storage page takes about 6secs to open" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422206 | 08:03 |
| seb128 | mpt, right | 08:03 |
| mpt | seb128, it would help if bug 1239884 had been entirely fixed … Looks like only part of it was done | 08:04 |
| ubot5 | bug 1239884 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "No visual feedback when a settings section is selected" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1239884 | 08:04 |
| seb128 | right | 08:07 |
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| mandel | ogra_, morning! got a question for you or for rsalveti where do we land the pulseaudio patches for ubuntu-touch? | 08:34 |
| mandel | ogra_, is there a branch that is used to create the package, do we grab it from their git.. also, we noticed that we are not using trunk in the phone | 08:34 |
| ogra_ | mandel, i dont know, diwic or TheMuso maintain the audio stack in ubuntu ... worst case i would just apply a debdiff and let them know | 08:35 |
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| zzarr | I have plans to build a combined tablet/laptop with one of this: http://www.merrii.com/en/pla_d.asp?id=178 | 08:41 |
| zzarr | My idea since there's only a Ubuntu 14.04 for it and I want the latest is to have 14.04 directly on the hardware and 15.04 (or 15.10 when released) in a chroot | 08:43 |
| zzarr | will mir work on a AllWinner A80 based unit? | 08:45 |
| zzarr | (there are Android drivers) | 08:46 |
| ogra_ | if you have a working build that includes the hybris bits | 08:47 |
| zzarr | what's the requirements to build a the lxc container? | 08:50 |
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| ogra_ | see the porting doc | 08:50 |
| ogra_ | (from /topic) | 08:50 |
| diwic | john-mcaleely, mandel, now I'm talking to you in private in parallel. Should we take it here instead? | 08:52 |
| john-mcaleely | diwic, works for me | 08:53 |
| mandel | diwic, john-mcaleely ok, so we have the pathes, we need to apply them and then dput them in a silo, that way QA can test it | 08:53 |
| john-mcaleely | and then in the longer run, figure out/document how this should work | 08:54 |
| john-mcaleely | ie, getting a silo with fixes is urgent | 08:54 |
| john-mcaleely | and getting to a place where lots of people can hack on this is job 2 | 08:54 |
| mandel | diwic, you know how to deal with the patches, is that right? I need to fwd you a change to get the apparmor profile from pid and not the app name | 08:54 |
| diwic | john-mcaleely, mandel what I do know is that we do have a droid sink in the distro | 08:54 |
| mandel | john-mcaleely, I kepp logs of EVERYTHING, so I'll just coy paste and will add to a wiki | 08:55 |
| mandel | diwic, do we need a droid sink to get the deb package? how do we usually send updates of pulse to the phone? | 08:55 |
| diwic | john-mcaleely, mandel and I know where the upstream repo is, it's the ubuntu branch of http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-pulseaudio/pulseaudio.git/ | 08:55 |
| john-mcaleely | aha | 08:56 |
| diwic | " how do we usually send updates of pulse to the phone?" <- now that is a "silo" question | 08:56 |
| zzarr | thanks ogra_ | 08:56 |
| mandel | diwic, yes, that one you mentioned me :) | 08:56 |
| diwic | and this silo stuff I'm not very familiar with | 08:56 |
| mandel | diwic, so, we usually create bzr branch with what we need to land, add it to a spreadsheet (agh) and a silo (ppa) gets created | 08:56 |
| ogra_ | diwic, you just dput to a PPA instead of the archive | 08:56 |
| ogra_ | thats all | 08:56 |
| mpt | kenvandine, seb128: I reported bug 1488005 for making System Settings screens more responsive in general. The Storage screen will still need special work though. | 08:56 |
| ubot5 | bug 1488005 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Poor visual feedback when a screen loads slowly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488005 | 08:56 |
| ogra_ | (from an uploader POV at least) | 08:56 |
| mandel | exactly, diwic what ogra_ said | 08:56 |
| seb128 | mpt, thanks | 08:57 |
| kenvandine | mpt, thx! | 08:57 |
| diwic | mandel, john-mcaleely: let's start with that mandel sends me the patch set with the latest fixes in. I'll review them and if they look good I commit them to the upstream repo. | 08:58 |
| mandel | diwic, are those the one related to the strust store, right? Can we send those to the upstream repo? If we can I'll fwd them to you | 08:59 |
| diwic | mandel, to the ubuntu branch? I suppose so | 08:59 |
| mandel | diwic, we do not have the trust store in the desktop, that is not a problem when talking about the ubuntu branch, right? | 08:59 |
| diwic | mandel, i e, since we already have the droid module (which is kind of touch specific) then we could have trust store there (which is also touch specific) | 09:00 |
| john-mcaleely | sounds good | 09:00 |
| mandel | ok | 09:00 |
| mandel | diwic, then I'll have to make sure that we move the patches that you created from master to ubuntu | 09:00 |
| diwic | mandel, as I understand it, the trust store module goes into its own binary package, which means it won't disturb the distro | 09:00 |
| mandel | diwic, correct, I wanted to have that sentence written down ;) | 09:01 |
| mandel | diwic, now, if I break something I'll do a -> diwic hehehe | 09:01 |
| ogra_ | mandel, diwic, just make sure to not do a too big version bump ... the vivid overlay PPA currently has 1:6.0-0ubuntu9 ... | 09:04 |
| ogra_ | the changes need to be on top of that | 09:05 |
| mpt | seb128, bug 1488016 | 09:12 |
| ubot5 | bug 1488016 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Missing chevrons on "Other app access"/"App permissions"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488016 | 09:12 |
| seb128 | mpt, thanks | 09:12 |
| ProstheticS | its OTA week isnt it? | 09:14 |
| jgdx | ProstheticS, correct! | 09:15 |
| ogra_ | ProstheticS, theoretically :) | 09:15 |
| ogra_ | (practically an OTA only goes out if it fulfils all requirements of quality on all arches, so an OTA date is never a fixed date, it can slide) | 09:16 |
| ogra_ | quality > being on time | 09:16 |
| nhaines | ogra_: so Wednesday, right? | 09:18 |
| ogra_ | nhaines, ask sil2100 :) | 09:19 |
| ogra_ | i think the emulator has still issues | 09:19 |
| sil2100 | nhaines: hard to say, there are still some blocking issues we need to fix before the release can happen | 09:19 |
| nhaines | ogra_, sil2100: just teasing. ;) | 09:20 |
| sil2100 | We expect to have all the fixes tested and released today, but because of that QA will need some additional time for testing aaand this will all delay stuff | 09:20 |
| sil2100 | ;) | 09:20 |
| ogra_ | :) | 09:20 |
| nhaines | Although actually I do have a serious question. I'm writing an appendix to my book on Ubuntu about the future of Ubuntu, and am writing a page or so about phones and convergence. | 09:21 |
| nhaines | I'm starting to wonder if I should talk about running desktop apps on a phone with a mouse and keyboard "after October" or "after April". | 09:21 |
| ogra_ | well, april is guaranteed ... october is a "might be" thing | 09:29 |
| ogra_ | i guess it will happen somewhere in the middle :) | 09:29 |
| nhaines | ogra_: Okay, for a book due out September 15th that should work. Although they didn't tell me they were pushing it up from October 9th so I need to double check my Ubuntu 15.10 references. :P Luckily it's specifically on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. :) | 09:32 |
| nhaines | ogra_: I start hearing that the Ubuntu OTA images will never be rebased on 15.10 and I start to worry. :P | 09:33 |
| ogra_ | well, thats true | 09:33 |
| nhaines | ogra_: yes, so that's where I started to worry. :) | 09:45 |
| nhaines | What's the plan there? Isn't snappy going to rebase to 15.10? | 09:46 |
| nhaines | Or are you going to stick with vivid-overlay stuff until wily+1? | 09:46 |
| zzarr | nhaines: interesting question, do you mean 16.04 with wily+1? | 09:48 |
| nhaines | zzarr: yup! | 09:48 |
| zzarr | okey | 09:48 |
| mandel | kenvandine, this is the overlay ppa => https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay right? | 09:48 |
| kenvandine | mandel, yes | 09:49 |
| mandel | great | 09:49 |
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| ogra_ | nhaines, yes | 10:00 |
| ogra_ | :P | 10:00 |
| ogra_ | nhaines, olli ries did this nice table explaining all the relations and support times | 10:00 |
| ogra_ | http://www.olli-ries.com/t-242d/ | 10:03 |
| nhaines | ogra_: yes, I didn't find the information to be very useful. Specifically, it summed up each individual component but aside from Desktop Next ISOs didn't seem to have any information about relationships or timelines. | 10:21 |
| ogra_ | well, it will migrate to 16.04 eventually | 10:21 |
| ogra_ | 15.10 will be skipped | 10:22 |
| nhaines | But when I hear that, I think "They're sticking with vivid, wily and wily+1 will be ignored, and some time after April the phone will switch to snappy Ubuntu Personal." | 10:22 |
| ogra_ | wily+1 wont be ignored ... | 10:23 |
| ogra_ | i guess we'll switch after 16.04 feature freeze at some point | 10:23 |
| ogra_ | until then the base stays vivid | 10:23 |
| nhaines | Surely you won't be rebasing the OTA on 16.04 in February though. | 10:24 |
| Talustus | ogra_: any idea how to get adb access on a ported device without display so far? | 10:24 |
| Talustus | i tried the solution from porting guide etc nothing works | 10:25 |
| nhaines | I guess my question is, will the vivid base get new Mir and XMir before then? | 10:25 |
| ogra_ | Talustus, depends how far into the boot you get | 10:25 |
| Talustus | it is looking like it starts the android container | 10:25 |
| ogra_ | nhaines, the vivid base is rolling .. | 10:25 |
| ogra_ | so yeah, it always gets constantly updated with backported bits from the devel release | 10:25 |
| Talustus | the led on my device starts blinking blue and pc recognizes the device i just can not get adb access for more debuging | 10:26 |
| guest42315 | o_O | 10:26 |
| nhaines | ogra_: do I guess right if I think this is because no one wants to deal with gcc5? :) | 10:26 |
| ogra_ | Talustus, boot into recovery and touch /data/.adb_onlock ... (or /userdata/.adb_onlock depends how your recovery mounts it) | 10:26 |
| ogra_ | nhaines, we have to deal with it at some point | 10:27 |
| Talustus | ogra_: i did that already still nothing | 10:27 |
| ogra_ | the core idea is that we dont want to pull the carpet out underneath stabilization work that is just now happening | 10:27 |
| ogra_ | Talustus, do you see any log in /var/log/upstart for the adbd job ? | 10:28 |
| ogra_ | (when you look in /data/system-data/ from recovery) | 10:28 |
| Talustus | lets see | 10:28 |
| ogra_ | also make sure your gadget is actually switching on adb in the init.rc | 10:29 |
| ogra_ | hardcode it if needed ... | 10:29 |
| nhaines | ogra_: okay, well if you see wily improvements eventually making their way to vivid on the phone OTAs, I think that's enough information for me for this book. | 10:30 |
| nhaines | Although I expect a LibreOffice click by December! :P | 10:30 |
| ogra_ | everything you see landing in the phone images also lands iin wily at the same time | 10:30 |
| ogra_ | i doubt there will ever be a libreoffice click :P | 10:30 |
| ogra_ | it will be a snap ;) | 10:31 |
| nhaines | I would be happier about that if I thought that would happen before May! :) | 10:31 |
| Talustus | ogra_: only that on adbd-emergency-shell.log | 10:31 |
| ogra_ | Talustus, hmm, something at least ... the emergency shell kicks in after 5min if the container cant come up iirc | 10:32 |
| ogra_ | if there are issues with starting adbd there might be info in the log | 10:33 |
| Talustus | adbd-emergency-shell stop/pre-start, process 1641 | 10:33 |
| ogra_ | that says it dies in the pre-start script | 10:33 |
| ogra_ | of /etc/init/adbd-emergency-shell.conf | 10:34 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, jgdx, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gsettings-desktop-schemas/tree/schemas | 10:34 |
| seb128 | input-sources in there | 10:35 |
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| jgdx | seb128, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12182768/ | 11:21 |
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| zzarr | I think I asked about this before, but will it be possible to use the MX4 with a MHL connector and have it operate like a computer? | 11:54 |
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| zzarr | (with BT mouse and keyboard) | 11:55 |
| zzarr | I mean in the future | 11:55 |
| ogra_ | zzarr, no | 11:57 |
| ogra_ | didnt you ask this a few times already ?) | 11:58 |
| zzarr | I think I might have one time, but I was uncertain if I asked if it works now or in the future | 12:01 |
| zzarr | what is required for it to work? | 12:02 |
| zzarr | only a driver? | 12:02 |
| ogra_ | hardware support | 12:03 |
| ogra_ | and driver support | 12:03 |
| ogra_ | i dont think either exists | 12:03 |
| zzarr | the hw supports it, so a driver then | 12:03 |
| ogra_ | and there is no focus at all on making it work on that device | 12:03 |
| ogra_ | the hardware doesnt support MHL afaik | 12:03 |
| ogra_ | only miracast | 12:04 |
| ogra_ | (and i dont think the Mir side supports miracast) | 12:04 |
| nhaines | ogra_: that'll be in OTA-6 on Wednesday, right? :P | 12:05 |
| zzarr | I read on a few pages that the hw supports MHL, are they wrong or is it a change in the Ubuntu version? | 12:05 |
| ogra_ | next wed you mean ? :P | 12:05 |
| ogra_ | zzarr, i think tehy are wrong | 12:05 |
| * nhaines only cares about bluez5 on Ubuntu 15.10 so he can reuse his Wii U Pro Controller on the desktop... no matter how awesome the Steam Controllers are looking. | 12:06 | |
| ogra_ | i think the MTK chips have miracast support ... but i doubt that applies to the version sthat ship with an SGX GPU | 12:06 |
| zzarr | okey ogra_, I sent a message to Meizu asking the same question, they will hopefully respond with facts. | 12:14 |
| ogra_ | yeah, i think it iss very likely that the GPU isnt wired up for it ... so even if the SoC supports it you wouldnt be able to use it | 12:14 |
| ogra_ | and as i said, nobody is working on such stuff anyway | 12:15 |
| zzarr | according to gsmarena it is... | 12:15 |
| ogra_ | focus for external display support is only on nexus4 and once it exists the dedicated pocket desktop device | 12:15 |
| ogra_ | (on the ubuntu side) | 12:15 |
| zzarr | no, but it could be interesting in the future ;) | 12:15 |
| nhaines | zzarr: according to the person actually writing the phone software, it isn't. :) | 12:15 |
| ogra_ | nhaines, oh ? who is that ? | 12:16 |
| nhaines | ogra_: you're writing all the software now, congrats. :) | 12:16 |
| ogra_ | nhaines, nah, like 80% of the plumbing team of the phone i was moved to snappy :) | 12:16 |
| * ogra_ hasnt written anything for the phone in several months | 12:17 | |
| ogra_ | i just cant let go :P | 12:17 |
| zzarr | yes, but unless I'm mistaken you ogra_ have had nothing to do with the wh development of the phone | 12:17 |
| nhaines | haha | 12:17 |
| ogra_ | zzarr, except that i developed a lot of the under the hood setup, yes :) | 12:18 |
| ogra_ | most non UI stuff has been touched by me in the past | 12:18 |
| zzarr | I meant hw not wh, it was a typo | 12:18 |
| nhaines | ogra_: good, now I know who to pester about trying to run snappy personal soon. :) | 12:18 |
| ogra_ | yeah, i didnt use my soldering iron at all ... true :) | 12:19 |
| ogra_ | nhaines, snappy personal is seb128 ;) | 12:19 |
| ogra_ | (unless that changed recently) | 12:19 |
| zzarr | the MX phone (older then MX4) have MHL support | 12:22 |
| zzarr | (there's a clip on youtube showing it in action) | 12:23 |
| zzarr | ogra_: are you tired of me? (repeating my self time and time over) | 12:25 |
| ogra_ | if i get tired of you i can ignore you :) | 12:25 |
| ogra_ | even if it was functional, you would have to impleent it on the android side ... in a way that Mir can make use of it ... | 12:26 |
| ogra_ | nobody in the official teams will work on that ... | 12:26 |
| zzarr | well I'll get back to the topic when I get the response from Meizu | 12:26 |
| ogra_ | even then you would have to develop and send patches yourself :) | 12:26 |
| ogra_ | focus for external displays of the official teams is elsewhere | 12:26 |
| gautam__ | hi, I have a exynos 5250 board same soc as nexus 10, I see an mako image for nexus 10 how can I use it on my board? | 12:27 |
| ogra_ | (as i said, nexus4 and as soon as it exsists the official pocket desktop phone HW that will be specifically tailored for external display) | 12:27 |
| zzarr | yea, but as far as I'm concerned if there's hw support it's a possible feature in the future | 12:28 |
| ogra_ | evenn then you would have to convince imagination tec. to adjust the PVR driver to make it work | 12:28 |
| ogra_ | good luck with that ... | 12:28 |
| zzarr | thanks ;) | 12:29 |
| ogra_ | i really doubt you will ever see it work on an MX4 | 12:29 |
| dhbiker | maybe he proves you wrong :D | 12:29 |
| zzarr | only time will tell right? | 12:30 |
| ogra_ | dhbiker, yeah, he could send patches :) | 12:30 |
| ogra_ | sadly he wont be able to for the driver :) | 12:30 |
| ogra_ | since it is closed | 12:30 |
| zzarr | maybe I find another way... VNC would work right ;) | 12:31 |
| dhbiker | too bad | 12:31 |
| ogra_ | not sure if VNC works with Mir yet | 12:31 |
| zzarr | yea, I don't like broken source as a friend of mine calls it | 12:31 |
| ogra_ | you would have to ask in #ubuntu-mir | 12:31 |
| zzarr | it was a joke ;) | 12:32 |
| dhbiker | wait MX4 runs Mir ? | 12:32 |
| ogra_ | ubuntu on phones runs Mir | 12:32 |
| dhbiker | oh. | 12:32 |
| ogra_ | everywhere :) | 12:32 |
| zzarr | dhbiker: yea | 12:32 |
| jgdx | larsu, ping | 12:32 |
| larsu | jgdx, hi | 12:32 |
| dhbiker | i was out of ubuntu game for a long long time... left when there was 7.04 released | 12:33 |
| dhbiker | xD | 12:33 |
| zzarr | I like mir | 12:33 |
| * ogra_ too | 12:33 | |
| jgdx | larsu, hi, we want to add a “a(ss)” key to a schema, and the GSettings qml binding seems to crash. I remember I've been through this before. :) | 12:34 |
| jgdx | there's no support for that sig, right? | 12:34 |
| zzarr | I know it's a OT question, ogra_, when will we get mir on the desktop computers? | 12:34 |
| ogra_ | zzarr, after 16.04 ... or if you want to you should be able to try ubuntu-personal (snappy baseed) earlier | 12:36 |
| ogra_ | -e | 12:37 |
| larsu | jgdx, let me check | 12:40 |
| jgdx | larsu, thanks. There's a{ss}, which you kindly implemented for me a while back. :) | 12:40 |
| larsu | jgdx, indeed, it doesn't. Please file a bug and I'll look into it this wek | 12:43 |
| larsu | *week | 12:43 |
| jgdx | larsu, thank you | 12:44 |
| zzarr | okey ogra_, nice | 12:49 |
| zzarr | is ubuntu-personal the new name of what's to day called just ubuntu? | 12:50 |
| nhaines | zzarr: no, it's the name of Ubuntu for phones/desktops that runs Unity 8 and Mir and is based around snappy technologies. | 12:52 |
| zzarr | nhaines, thanks :) | 12:52 |
| zzarr | I love snappy | 12:53 |
| zzarr | have nVidia made any Mir drivers yet? | 12:54 |
| zzarr | I'll ask in #ubuntu-mir :) | 12:56 |
| ogra_ | zzarr, you should team up with the guy on tteh mailing list btw :) | 12:59 |
| zzarr | who is "the guy"? | 13:00 |
| ogra_ | Krzysztof Tataradziński ... see the recent thread | 13:00 |
| zzarr | thanks I'll have a look | 13:04 |
| zzarr | do you have a link to the mailing list? | 13:05 |
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| zzarr | I found it :D (and subscribed) | 13:09 |
| zzarr | I have to go, bye and thanks | 13:12 |
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| Guest30084 | Hello, can I launch regular GNU/Linux program on ubuntu phone? | 13:44 |
| GAM002 | any people here know how to install a theme on ubuntu using unity tweak tool? sorry for asking people on #ubuntu doesnt seems to know | 13:45 |
| mcphail | Guest30084: you can launch a text program in the terminal, but not a GUI program | 13:45 |
| ogra_ | Guest30084, sure, there are people using mutt or htop on their phones | 13:45 |
| ogra_ | mcphail, lies ! ... tuxracer is a gui program ! | 13:45 |
| ogra_ | :) | 13:45 |
| k1l | GAM002: this channels focus is on the ubuntu on smartphones. please dont crosspost | 13:45 |
| mcphail | ogra_: ha! | 13:46 |
| Guest30084 | Why so? That's a linux distro, if i am not mistaken | 13:46 |
| GAM002 | k1l: ok | 13:46 |
| Guest30084 | What is the window system in ubuntu phone? Is that Xorg? | 13:48 |
| k1l | Guest30084: its MIR | 13:49 |
| nhaines | ogra_: thanks for chatting about Ubuntu phone stuffs earlier, btw. I did finish that book appendix, now I just have to read it again after I've slept, then rewrite it to not be so bad. :) | 13:50 |
| ogra_ | heh | 13:50 |
| ogra_ | good luck with it :) | 13:50 |
| nhaines | Thanks! It's the last bit, Appendix B, so other than fighting VirtualBox to get snappy running for a screenshot or two, then fighting my phone and tablet (Today scope still isn't working anywhere!) to get a couple screenshots, I'm all done minus copyedit review. :) | 13:51 |
| Guest30084 | So why can't gnu/linux programs be launched on ubuntuphone? | 13:54 |
| jgdx | Guest30084, cause stuff is missing | 13:55 |
| ogra_ | Guest30084, the system is readonly so your first obstacle is installing auch apps ... then usually such apps are compiled against Xorg which isnt running on the phone | 13:56 |
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| ogra_ | s/auch/such/ | 13:56 |
| Guest30084 | ogra_, Can't I install my own apps? There's XMir - a compability layer for Xorg apps | 13:57 |
| ogra_ | Xmir isnt done yet and thus not shipped on the phones | 13:58 |
| ogra_ | (onc it is stable that will likely change) | 13:58 |
| Guest30084 | ogra_, can i install it manually? | 13:59 |
| ogra_ | sure, but why would you if it only works very marginal yet | 14:00 |
| ogra_ | it will be included by default once it is ready .. | 14:00 |
| ogra_ | the phone is fully hackable you can indeed install anything you want (but will lose any way of doing upgrades then) | 14:01 |
| Guest30084 | ogra_, So, I can just install X, make it start on boot and run gnu/linux programs? | 14:02 |
| ogra_ | if you write a driver .... | 14:02 |
| ogra_ | X wont display anything ... | 14:02 |
| Guest30084 | ogra_, what driver? | 14:02 |
| ogra_ | an xserver for the hardware | 14:03 |
| Guest30084 | But if there's a MIR driver, it should work fine with X. The driver is in kernel | 14:03 |
| ogra_ | if you re-do the kernel and enable the necessary framebuffer options you might be lucky and can use the fbdev xserver ... like a slideshow | 14:04 |
| ogra_ | no | 14:04 |
| ogra_ | Mir just talks to EGL/GLES ... | 14:04 |
| Guest30084 | Well, I mean that if something is displayed, anything can be displayed | 14:05 |
| ogra_ | not really | 14:05 |
| nhaines | Which is one big reason for Mir. :) | 14:05 |
| ogra_ | anyway, this is far beyond the topic here :) ... you can indeed hack your ubuntu phone in all possible ways ... but you would be pretty much on your own with native Xorg ... | 14:06 |
| Guest30084 | ogra_, I dont have ubuntu phone, but if that is possible, I will definetely buy it | 14:07 |
| mcphail | Guest30084: true for very small degrees of "possible" | 14:08 |
| mcphail | Guest30084: if you are looking for a full X- experience, the phone is not for you kust now | 14:08 |
| ogra_ | mcphail, well, possible is everything ... nothing is locked down ... | 14:09 |
| ogra_ | weather you can still use it as a phone or anything is a different story ... | 14:09 |
| ogra_ | technically it is just hardware with an open OS ... if you indeed hack the OS out of its context you cant expect the OS to function as advertised ... | 14:10 |
| Guest30084 | I just can't understand why it is so difficult to install regular ubuntu on that phone | 14:12 |
| Nadarian | hi there, I would like to ask about installing Ubuntu to a Meizu with Flyme, particularly: how hard is it and what is the possible rate of failure/damage? I have read one article but I would like to know, how does it look like from devs side | 14:14 |
| ogra_ | there is a regular ubuntu on the phone ... | 14:14 |
| ogra_ | just a different UI | 14:14 |
| ogra_ | and due to the fact that we offer binary diff OTA upgrades it has to be readonly | 14:14 |
| dobey | why do so many people expect the phone to work like a 90s linux PC? | 14:16 |
| k1l | because they never tried to use a 90s PC with touchscreen :X | 14:16 |
| ogra_ | haha | 14:16 |
| Guest30084 | What about powersaving in ubuntu phone? Is kernel modified for this or that's only because of hardware? | 14:17 |
| dobey | and probably have absolutely 0 experience with any hardware that's not x86 | 14:18 |
| ogra_ | it is SW and HW indeed | 14:18 |
| ogra_ | battery life is usually better than with android on the same device | 14:18 |
| Guest30084 | ogra_, what exactly with SW? | 14:18 |
| ogra_ | software design ... powersaving tools etc | 14:19 |
| Guest30084 | ogra_, does pc-ubuntu have such powersaving options? | 14:19 |
| ogra_ | no | 14:19 |
| ogra_ | once the PC switched to the same system it will likely be possible to use them there though | 14:20 |
| Guest30084 | Is that acpi and init configuration or something new? | 14:20 |
| ogra_ | there is no ACPI on ARM hardware | 14:20 |
| Guest30084 | why? | 14:21 |
| dobey | well, sure. you can run apps that are designed not to kill the cpu, on the pc too | 14:21 |
| ogra_ | heh, you have to ask ARM | 14:21 |
| Guest30084 | but it can be compiled for arm | 14:21 |
| ogra_ | no idea why they designed their processors without an awful error prone power management abstraction layer :) | 14:22 |
| dobey | ACPI is not part of the ARM specification | 14:22 |
| ogra_ | probably because ARM devicews have no BIOS either :( | 14:22 |
| ogra_ | err | 14:22 |
| ogra_ | :) | 14:22 |
| dobey | depending on what software you care about running on your PC, a significant set of it probably isn't going to exist or be useful, on arm either | 14:24 |
| ogra_ | well, the ubuntu archive is mostly complete wrt arm support | 14:25 |
| ogra_ | only a handfull packages do not exist on ARM | 14:25 |
| k1l | but that is mostly pc drivers and such? | 14:25 |
| dobey | well, lots of things also have cpu optimizations on x86, that they don't have on arm either | 14:25 |
| dobey | so even if they are compiled for arm, they will probably be very unfriendly to use | 14:26 |
| dobey | i don't think i'd want to try using blender on the phone, for example | 14:26 |
| dobey | and you can't play any steam games, or use wine | 14:26 |
| ogra_ | k1l, some exotic languages too i think | 14:27 |
| k1l | hmm well, one day in future with convergence and dockmode you actually want o | 14:27 |
| ogra_ | you could use wine for arm windows apps ... | 14:28 |
| ogra_ | and you could use steam if steam provided arm rebuilds | 14:28 |
| dobey | sure, "if steam provided arm-compatible steam" | 14:28 |
| dobey | they don't though | 14:28 |
| dobey | and windows rt is a joke | 14:29 |
| ogra_ | wouldnt be hard to do though | 14:29 |
| ogra_ | convincing game vendors to provide arm binaries of their games might :) | 14:29 |
| dobey | for valve? no, it would be easy for them to do i guess, except for the fact that they then have to support arm | 14:29 |
| ogra_ | especially when you ask tzhem to reduce their graphics use to GLES only :) | 14:29 |
| dobey | yeah | 14:30 |
| dobey | they already don't provide any android, ios, or winrt steam gaming clients, so expecting them to do so on ubuntu is probably a bit much :) | 14:31 |
| Peto | hallo, can i Install Ubuntu touch on N7000 ? | 15:00 |
| dobey | !devices | Peto | 15:00 |
| ubot5 | Peto: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices | 15:00 |
| dobey | Peto: please ask your questions in channel so that anyone can answer, and see the answers. | 15:06 |
| dobey | Peto: if a port is not yet available for a device, and you wish to port to your device, then yes, you can attempt to do so | 15:06 |
| Peto | dobey ok sorry, there is sometning but old, cca from 2013 | 15:07 |
| k1l | Peto: i would look into the xda forums if there is already a group of guys trying to port it | 15:12 |
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| Peto | k1l can find nothing | 15:26 |
| rsalveti | mandel: are you good now regarding the pulseaudio landing? | 15:52 |
| mandel | rsalveti, yes | 15:52 |
| mandel | rsalveti, I fwd the patches to diwic and he took a look | 15:52 |
| mandel | rsalveti, and got a silo etc.. | 15:52 |
| mandel | for qa testing | 15:52 |
| rsalveti | mandel: great | 15:52 |
| mterry | cyphermox, do you have any thoughts on what to investigate for bug 1480844? (on the assumption it might be triggered by network-manager) | 16:11 |
| ubot5 | bug 1480844 in Canonical System Image "Slow/hanging performance" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1480844 | 16:11 |
| mterry | cyphermox, I have some comments on how I trigger it in the bug | 16:11 |
| popey | kenvandine: http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/ | 16:33 |
| jgdx | Elleo, ping | 16:43 |
| mandel | kenvandine, with silo 28 is a matter of flashing ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en-proposed do a apt-add-repo and update & upgrade, right? | 16:56 |
| kenvandine | mandel, you can use citrain to install it | 17:04 |
| kenvandine | if you like | 17:04 |
| kenvandine | mandel, citrain device-upgrade 28 0000 ubuntu | 17:08 |
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| robin-hero | Hey all! Can I take a screenshot of my phone somehow while it is booting? | 19:42 |
| beuno | robin-hero, probably not, as there's not a lot of software running at that point | 19:45 |
| dobey | you might be able to phablet-screenshot, if dev mode is enabled, and stuff is up and running at that point, but i'm not sure if it is | 19:46 |
| robin-hero | dobey: Thanks, I'll give it a try | 19:47 |
| dobey | or you can just grab the PNG image for the splash screen from disk and upload it somewhere instead. :) | 19:48 |
| dobey | same result | 19:48 |
| dobey | if your boot is broken for some reason, dictating your need to take a screen shot, you might need to use a camera to take a picture of the phone instead | 19:49 |
| robin-hero | dobey: phablet-screenshot doesn't work. It can only take a screenshot when I am unlock the lock screen | 19:51 |
| robin-hero | Where can I find the splash screen PNG? :) | 19:51 |
| dobey | i don't know | 19:52 |
| robin-hero | I want to make a picture from the new splash screen (ota6), but I don't have a camera, and my other phone has only a 2Mpx camera... :D | 19:56 |
| dobey | emulator? :) | 19:57 |
| dacheat | howdy, is anybody around that could assist me with an ubuntu touch / nexus 7 installation problem? | 19:58 |
| robin-hero | dobey: It is not working at the moment because of a bug, and it doesn't show the splash screen anyway | 19:59 |
| dobey | dacheat: which nexus 7? | 19:59 |
| dacheat | 2013 | 20:00 |
| dacheat | "flo" | 20:00 |
| dobey | what is the problem? | 20:00 |
| dacheat | every time i try to flash the ubuntu touch image it gives me an error about /cache/recovery "is a directory" | 20:01 |
| dacheat | sorry im not with the tablet for more info | 20:01 |
| Springbank | Did you try with Multirom? | 20:02 |
| dobey | dacheat: do you have android 5.x on the tablet? | 20:03 |
| dobey | dacheat: if so, you will need to restore to android 4.4, boot to android welcome screen, reboot to recovery or fastboot, and then flash with ubuntu-device-flash, to replace android | 20:03 |
| dacheat | sorry i got pulled into a meeting | 20:21 |
| dacheat | i will try restoring 4.4 and doing the process again | 20:21 |
| dacheat | and i did not try multirom | 20:21 |
| dacheat | and the tablet is running 5.1.1 | 20:21 |
| dobey | yeah, 5.x is your problem. restoring 4.4 should fix it | 20:24 |
| dacheat | awesome, thanks for the feedback | 20:28 |
| dacheat | have a great day, everyone! | 20:29 |
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| Tea | There's a bunch of junk scopes I want to remove from my Aquaris but going through the store and hitting uninstall is tedious and apparently ineffective | 21:33 |
| Tea | Can I uninstall them from the command line? Notice that `click` doesn't have an uninstall flag | 21:34 |
| mandel | kenvandine, making sure that the project compiles and I'll send you the patches | 21:35 |
| mandel | kenvandine, if you can dput that I'll be able to take a look on what is really going on | 21:35 |
| dobey | Tea: you can't actually remove the files from the phone i don't think, as they're part of the pre-installed image; but how do you mean that uninstalling from the store scope, is ineffective? | 21:45 |
| kenvandine | mandel, ok | 21:45 |
| kenvandine | mandel, i'll be back online in a bit | 21:46 |
| kenvandine | not long :) | 21:46 |
| Tea | dobey: I was mistaken - uninstalled etsy-scope and it still appeared, after a reboot it's gone though | 21:47 |
| Tea | Still listed in tweakgeek though | 21:47 |
| dobey | i don't know how tweakgeek works | 21:47 |
| Tea | It lists installed apps, but I dunno how it detects them | 21:48 |
| dobey | but it's part of the pre-installed read-only image, so you can't remove the files exactly. you can unregister it though | 21:48 |
| Tea | If the files aren't actually removed then that'll be why they're detected | 21:48 |
| dobey | assuming it's looking at the files, instead of asking the system what's installed | 21:48 |
| dobey | sounds like a bug in tweakgeek | 21:48 |
| dobey | Tea: it still appeared where until you rebooted? as a favorited scope, or only in the scopes management list? | 21:49 |
| Tea | How come they're treated differently to regular apps? Since half of them are obviously worthless bloat it'd be nice to kill them off completely | 21:49 |
| Tea | dobey: if I searched for it, it showed a launcher | 21:49 |
| dobey | they aren't treated differently to regular apps | 21:49 |
| dobey | pre-installed stuff is installed in a different location on the image though, which is read-only | 21:51 |
| Tea | Right - I guess I just don't quite get why so many of them were installed all at once | 21:52 |
| mandel | kenvandine, email sent, let me know when you push it.. | 21:53 |
| kenvandine | mandel, ok | 21:53 |
| Tea | Etsy for example. That's just some website - and I had a bunch of Spanish language news feeds selected as default scopes | 21:53 |
| dobey | Tea: the bq phone primary target market is spain (they're a spanish company) | 21:53 |
| mandel | kenvandine, make it quick, I'm watching the worst dating tv show ever on E4.. I bet I'll have an essex accent in the morning :-/ | 21:53 |
| dobey | so i would expect "business reasons" is why the scopes are pre-installed such as they are | 21:54 |
| mandel | dobey, you are correct, the bq images has bq custom scopes etc.. | 21:54 |
| dobey | mandel: of course i am right ;) | 21:55 |
| Tea | Annoying that business reasons always have to culminate in bloatware somewhere down the line. Oh well, it's not like my phone's exploding or anything | 21:55 |
| kenvandine | mandel, :-D | 21:55 |
| mandel | dobey, meh, dont get over yourself hahahaha | 21:55 |
| dobey | Tea: well, you're certainly free to flash a different image onto it as well, which doesn't have all the pre-installed scopes :) | 21:56 |
| Tea | dobey: I would like to mess about with some alternative images if there are any, scopes aside | 21:56 |
| dobey | Tea: of course, other pre-installed things specific to the bq images, that you might use, may be lost as well if using a different image | 21:57 |
| dobey | Tea: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash (use at own risk, etc etc) | 21:57 |
| Tea | Thanks, will be interesting to see the differences | 21:59 |
| kenvandine | mandel, building in silo 9 | 22:00 |
| mandel | \o/ | 22:01 |
| kenvandine | mandel, is that all you need tonight? | 22:03 |
| kenvandine | or will you want another revision? | 22:04 |
| mandel | kenvandine, that is all | 22:11 |
| mandel | kenvandine, Ill work on it during the night and we can take a look in the morning | 22:11 |
| kenvandine | mandel, ok, cool | 22:12 |
| kenvandine | hey seb128 | 22:12 |
| kenvandine | :) | 22:12 |
| seb128 | hey kenvandine ;-) | 22:12 |
| kenvandine | jgdx, seb128 destroyed your high score | 22:24 |
| kenvandine | jgdx, he scored 439 | 22:24 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 22:26 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, btw there are more people at the bar if you feel like going back there (I don't, just went to report some issues with the a/c in my room) | 22:39 |
| kenvandine | sure | 22:40 |
| kenvandine | be right there :) | 22:40 |
| kenvandine | ok seb128, give me like 2 minutes | 22:44 |
| kenvandine | i'll have the template | 22:44 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I'm away a bit for shower, going to upload after that | 22:45 |
| kenvandine | ok | 22:46 |
| === Zic is now known as Guest37794 | ||
| Cyn | can you install this operating system and get rid of windows? | 23:40 |
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