[03:45] <liuxg> does any use Bluetooth APIs on Ubuntu touch？
[07:10] <dhbiker> hi there
[07:10] <dhbiker> i noticed that after charging if you leave it overnight you never get 100%
[07:11] <dhbiker> seems like it charges up and leaves it there
[07:11] <dhbiker> is it intentional ?
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> dhbiker: device and ubuntu touch channel?
[07:12] <dhbiker> arale RC proposed
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> whats arale?
[07:12] <dhbiker> meizu mx4
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> kk
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> dhbiker: maybe you can look at the existing bugs
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> if its not there file a new bug?
[07:14] <dhbiker> well trickle charging is not good for LiPo batteries anyways
[07:14] <dhbiker> that's why i'm asking if it's intentional
[07:14] <dhbiker> :D
[08:02] <zzarr> hello! is it possible somehow to synchronize the web history between Firefox and the browser in Ubuntu Touch?
[08:03] <mpt> seb128, it’s bug 1422206
[08:03] <seb128> mpt, right
[08:04] <mpt> seb128, it would help if bug 1239884 had been entirely fixed … Looks like only part of it was done
[08:07] <seb128> right
[08:34] <mandel> ogra_, morning! got a question for you or for rsalveti where do we land the pulseaudio patches for ubuntu-touch?
[08:34] <mandel> ogra_, is there a branch that is used to create the package, do we grab it from their git.. also, we noticed that we are not using trunk in the phone
[08:35] <ogra_> mandel, i dont know, diwic or TheMuso maintain the audio stack in ubuntu ... worst case i would just apply a debdiff and let them know
[08:41] <zzarr> I have plans to build a combined tablet/laptop with one of this: http://www.merrii.com/en/pla_d.asp?id=178
[08:43] <zzarr> My idea since there's only a Ubuntu 14.04 for it and I want the latest is to have 14.04 directly on the hardware and 15.04 (or 15.10 when released) in a chroot
[08:45] <zzarr> will mir work on a AllWinner A80 based unit?
[08:46] <zzarr> (there are Android drivers)
[08:47] <ogra_> if you have a working build that includes the hybris bits
[08:50] <zzarr> what's the requirements to build a the lxc container?
[08:50] <ogra_> see the porting doc
[08:50] <ogra_> (from /topic)
[08:52] <diwic> john-mcaleely, mandel, now I'm talking to you in private in parallel. Should we take it here instead?
[08:53] <john-mcaleely> diwic, works for me
[08:53] <mandel> diwic, john-mcaleely ok, so we have the pathes, we need to apply them and then dput them in a silo, that way QA can test it
[08:54] <john-mcaleely> and then in the longer run, figure out/document how this should work
[08:54] <john-mcaleely> ie, getting a silo with fixes is urgent
[08:54] <john-mcaleely> and getting to a place where lots of people can hack on this is job 2
[08:54] <mandel> diwic, you know how to deal with the patches, is that right? I need to fwd you a change to get the apparmor profile from pid and not the app name
[08:54] <diwic> john-mcaleely, mandel what I do know is that we do have a droid sink in the distro
[08:55] <mandel> john-mcaleely, I kepp logs of EVERYTHING, so I'll just coy paste and will add to a wiki
[08:55] <mandel> diwic, do we need a droid sink to get the deb package? how do we usually send updates of pulse to the phone?
[08:55] <diwic> john-mcaleely, mandel and I know where the upstream repo is, it's the ubuntu branch of http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-pulseaudio/pulseaudio.git/
[08:56] <john-mcaleely> aha
[08:56] <diwic> " how do we usually send updates of pulse to the phone?" <- now that is a "silo" question
[08:56] <zzarr> thanks ogra_
[08:56] <mandel> diwic, yes, that one you mentioned me :)
[08:56] <diwic> and this silo stuff I'm not very familiar with
[08:56] <mandel> diwic, so, we usually create bzr branch with what we need to land, add it to a spreadsheet (agh) and a silo (ppa) gets created
[08:56] <ogra_> diwic, you just dput to a PPA instead of the archive
[08:56] <ogra_> thats all
[08:56] <mpt> kenvandine, seb128: I reported bug 1488005 for making System Settings screens more responsive in general. The Storage screen will still need special work though.
[08:56] <ogra_> (from an uploader POV at least)
[08:56] <mandel> exactly, diwic what ogra_ said
[08:57] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[08:57] <kenvandine> mpt, thx!
[08:58] <diwic> mandel, john-mcaleely: let's start with that mandel sends me the patch set with the latest fixes in. I'll review them and if they look good I commit them to the upstream repo.
[08:59] <mandel> diwic, are those the one related to the strust store, right? Can we send those to the upstream repo? If we can I'll fwd them to you
[08:59] <diwic> mandel, to the ubuntu branch? I suppose so
[08:59] <mandel> diwic, we do not have the trust store in the desktop, that is not a problem when talking about the ubuntu branch, right?
[09:00] <diwic> mandel, i e, since we already have the droid module (which is kind of touch specific) then we could have trust store there (which is also touch specific)
[09:00] <john-mcaleely> sounds good
[09:00] <mandel> ok
[09:00] <mandel> diwic, then I'll have to make sure that we move the patches that you created from master to ubuntu
[09:00] <diwic> mandel, as I understand it, the trust store module goes into its own binary package, which means it won't disturb the distro
[09:01] <mandel> diwic, correct, I wanted to have that sentence written down ;)
[09:01] <mandel> diwic, now, if I break something I'll do a -> diwic  hehehe
[09:04] <ogra_> mandel, diwic, just make sure to not do a too big version bump ... the vivid overlay PPA currently has 1:6.0-0ubuntu9 ...
[09:05] <ogra_> the changes need to be on top of that
[09:12] <mpt> seb128, bug 1488016
[09:12] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[09:14] <ProstheticS> its OTA week isnt it?
[09:15] <jgdx> ProstheticS, correct!
[09:15] <ogra_> ProstheticS, theoretically :)
[09:16] <ogra_> (practically an OTA only goes out if it fulfils all requirements of quality on all arches, so an OTA date is never a fixed date, it can slide)
[09:16] <ogra_> quality > being on time
[09:18] <nhaines> ogra_: so Wednesday, right?
[09:19] <ogra_> nhaines, ask sil2100 :)
[09:19] <ogra_> i think the emulator has still issues
[09:19] <sil2100> nhaines: hard to say, there are still some blocking issues we need to fix before the release can happen
[09:20] <nhaines> ogra_, sil2100: just teasing. ;)
[09:20] <sil2100> We expect to have all the fixes tested and released today, but because of that QA will need some additional time for testing aaand this will all delay stuff
[09:20] <sil2100> ;)
[09:20] <ogra_> :)
[09:21] <nhaines> Although actually I do have a serious question.  I'm writing an appendix to my book on Ubuntu about the future of Ubuntu, and am writing a page or so about phones and convergence.
[09:21] <nhaines> I'm starting to wonder if I should talk about running desktop apps on a phone with a mouse and keyboard "after October" or "after April".
[09:29] <ogra_> well, april is guaranteed ... october is a "might be" thing
[09:29] <ogra_> i guess it will happen somewhere in the middle :)
[09:32] <nhaines> ogra_: Okay, for a book due out September 15th that should work.  Although they didn't tell me they were pushing it up from October 9th so I need to double check my Ubuntu 15.10 references.  :P  Luckily it's specifically on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS.  :)
[09:33] <nhaines> ogra_: I start hearing that the Ubuntu OTA images will never be rebased on 15.10 and I start to worry.  :P
[09:33] <ogra_> well, thats true
[09:45] <nhaines> ogra_: yes, so that's where I started to worry.  :)
[09:46] <nhaines> What's the plan there?  Isn't snappy going to rebase to 15.10?
[09:46] <nhaines> Or are you going to stick with vivid-overlay stuff until wily+1?
[09:48] <zzarr> nhaines: interesting question, do you mean 16.04 with wily+1?
[09:48] <nhaines> zzarr: yup!
[09:48] <zzarr> okey
[09:48] <mandel> kenvandine, this is the overlay ppa => https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay right?
[09:49] <kenvandine> mandel, yes
[09:49] <mandel> great
[10:00] <ogra_> nhaines, yes
[10:00] <ogra_> :P
[10:00] <ogra_> nhaines, olli ries did this nice table explaining all the relations and support times
[10:03] <ogra_> http://www.olli-ries.com/t-242d/
[10:21] <nhaines> ogra_: yes, I didn't find the information to be very useful.  Specifically, it summed up each individual component but aside from Desktop Next ISOs didn't seem to have any information about relationships or timelines.
[10:21] <ogra_> well, it will migrate to 16.04 eventually
[10:22] <ogra_> 15.10 will be skipped
[10:22] <nhaines> But when I hear that, I think "They're sticking with vivid, wily and wily+1 will be ignored, and some time after April the phone will switch to snappy Ubuntu Personal."
[10:23] <ogra_> wily+1 wont be ignored ...
[10:23] <ogra_> i guess we'll switch after 16.04 feature freeze at some point
[10:23] <ogra_> until then the base stays vivid
[10:24] <nhaines> Surely you won't be rebasing the OTA on 16.04 in February though.
[10:24] <Talustus> ogra_: any idea how to get adb access on a ported device without display so far?
[10:25] <Talustus> i tried the solution from porting guide etc nothing works
[10:25] <nhaines> I guess my question is, will the vivid base get new Mir and XMir before then?
[10:25] <ogra_> Talustus, depends how far into the boot you get
[10:25] <Talustus> it is looking like it starts the android container
[10:25] <ogra_> nhaines, the vivid base is rolling ..
[10:25] <ogra_> so yeah, it always gets constantly updated with backported bits from the devel release
[10:26] <Talustus> the led on my device starts blinking blue and pc recognizes the device i just can not get adb access for more debuging
[10:26] <guest42315> o_O
[10:26] <nhaines> ogra_: do I guess right if I think this is because no one wants to deal with gcc5?  :)
[10:26] <ogra_> Talustus, boot into recovery and touch /data/.adb_onlock ... (or /userdata/.adb_onlock depends how your recovery mounts it)
[10:27] <ogra_> nhaines, we have to deal with it at some point
[10:27] <Talustus> ogra_: i did that already still nothing
[10:27] <ogra_> the core idea is that we dont want to pull the carpet out underneath stabilization work that is just now happening
[10:28] <ogra_> Talustus, do you see any log in /var/log/upstart for the adbd job ?
[10:28] <ogra_> (when you look in /data/system-data/ from recovery)
[10:28] <Talustus> lets see
[10:29] <ogra_> also make sure your gadget is actually switching on adb in the init.rc
[10:29] <ogra_> hardcode it if needed ...
[10:30] <nhaines> ogra_: okay, well if you see wily improvements eventually making their way to vivid on the phone OTAs, I think that's enough information for me for this book.
[10:30] <nhaines> Although I expect a LibreOffice click by December!  :P
[10:30] <ogra_> everything you see landing in the phone images also lands iin wily at the same time
[10:30] <ogra_> i doubt there will ever be a libreoffice click :P
[10:31] <ogra_> it will be a snap ;)
[10:31] <nhaines> I would be happier about that if I thought that would happen before May!  :)
[10:31] <Talustus> ogra_: only that on adbd-emergency-shell.log
[10:32] <ogra_> Talustus, hmm, something at least ... the emergency shell kicks in after 5min if the container cant come up iirc
[10:33] <ogra_> if there are issues with starting adbd there might be info in the log
[10:33] <Talustus> adbd-emergency-shell stop/pre-start, process 1641
[10:33] <ogra_> that says it dies in the pre-start script
[10:34] <ogra_> of /etc/init/adbd-emergency-shell.conf
[10:34] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gsettings-desktop-schemas/tree/schemas
[10:35] <seb128> input-sources in there
[11:21] <jgdx> seb128, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12182768/
[11:54] <zzarr> I think I asked about this before, but will it be possible to use the MX4 with a MHL connector and have it operate like a computer?
[11:55] <zzarr> (with BT mouse and keyboard)
[11:55] <zzarr> I mean in the future
[11:57] <ogra_> zzarr, no
[11:58] <ogra_> didnt you ask this a few times already ?)
[12:01] <zzarr> I think I might have one time, but I was uncertain if I asked if it works now or in the future
[12:02] <zzarr> what is required for it to work?
[12:02] <zzarr> only a driver?
[12:03] <ogra_> hardware support
[12:03] <ogra_> and driver support
[12:03] <ogra_> i dont think either exists
[12:03] <zzarr> the hw supports it, so a driver then
[12:03] <ogra_> and there is no focus at all on making it work on that device
[12:03] <ogra_> the hardware doesnt support MHL afaik
[12:04] <ogra_> only miracast
[12:04] <ogra_> (and i dont think the Mir side supports miracast)
[12:05] <nhaines> ogra_: that'll be in OTA-6 on Wednesday, right?  :P
[12:05] <zzarr> I read on a few pages that the hw supports MHL, are they wrong or is it a change in the Ubuntu version?
[12:05] <ogra_> next wed you mean ? :P
[12:05] <ogra_> zzarr, i think tehy are wrong
[12:06]  * nhaines only cares about bluez5 on Ubuntu 15.10 so he can reuse his Wii U Pro Controller on the desktop... no matter how awesome the Steam Controllers are looking.
[12:06] <ogra_> i think the MTK chips have miracast support ... but i doubt that applies to the version sthat ship with an SGX GPU
[12:14] <zzarr> okey ogra_, I sent a message to Meizu asking the same question, they will hopefully respond with facts.
[12:14] <ogra_> yeah, i think it iss very likely that the GPU isnt wired up for it ... so even if the SoC supports it you wouldnt be able to use it
[12:15] <ogra_> and as i said, nobody is working on such stuff anyway
[12:15] <zzarr> according to gsmarena it is...
[12:15] <ogra_> focus for external display support is only on nexus4 and once it exists the dedicated pocket desktop device
[12:15] <ogra_> (on the ubuntu side)
[12:15] <zzarr> no, but it could be interesting in the future ;)
[12:15] <nhaines> zzarr: according to the person actually writing the phone software, it isn't.  :)
[12:16] <ogra_> nhaines, oh ? who is that ?
[12:16] <nhaines> ogra_: you're writing all the software now, congrats. :)
[12:16] <ogra_> nhaines, nah, like 80% of the plumbing team of the phone i was moved to snappy :)
[12:17]  * ogra_ hasnt written anything for the phone in several months 
[12:17] <ogra_> i just cant let go :P
[12:17] <zzarr> yes, but unless I'm mistaken you ogra_ have had nothing to do with the wh development of the phone
[12:17] <nhaines> haha
[12:18] <ogra_> zzarr, except that i developed a lot of the under the hood setup, yes :)
[12:18] <ogra_> most non UI stuff has been touched by me in the past
[12:18] <zzarr> I meant hw not wh, it was a typo
[12:18] <nhaines> ogra_: good, now I know who to pester about trying to run snappy personal soon.  :)
[12:19] <ogra_> yeah, i didnt use my soldering iron at all ... true :)
[12:19] <ogra_> nhaines, snappy personal is seb128 ;)
[12:19] <ogra_> (unless that changed recently)
[12:22] <zzarr> the MX phone (older then MX4) have MHL support
[12:23] <zzarr> (there's a clip on youtube showing it in action)
[12:25] <zzarr> ogra_: are you tired of me? (repeating my self time and time over)
[12:25] <ogra_> if i get tired of you i can ignore you :)
[12:26] <ogra_> even if it was functional, you would have to impleent it on the android side ... in a way that Mir can make use of it ...
[12:26] <ogra_> nobody in the official teams will work on that ...
[12:26] <zzarr> well I'll get back to the topic when I get the response from Meizu
[12:26] <ogra_> even then you would have to develop and send patches yourself :)
[12:26] <ogra_> focus for external displays of the official teams is elsewhere
[12:27] <gautam__> hi, I have a exynos 5250 board same soc as nexus 10, I see an mako image for nexus 10 how can I use it on my board?
[12:27] <ogra_> (as i said, nexus4 and as soon as it exsists the official pocket desktop phone HW that will be specifically tailored for external display)
[12:28] <zzarr> yea, but as far as I'm concerned if there's hw support it's a possible feature in the future
[12:28] <ogra_> evenn then you would have to convince imagination tec. to adjust the PVR driver to make it work
[12:28] <ogra_> good luck with that ...
[12:29] <zzarr> thanks ;)
[12:29] <ogra_> i really doubt you will ever see it work on an MX4
[12:29] <dhbiker> maybe he proves you wrong :D
[12:30] <zzarr> only time will tell right?
[12:30] <ogra_> dhbiker, yeah, he could send patches :)
[12:30] <ogra_> sadly he wont be able to for the driver :)
[12:30] <ogra_> since it is closed
[12:31] <zzarr> maybe I find another way... VNC would work right ;)
[12:31] <dhbiker> too bad
[12:31] <ogra_> not sure if VNC works with Mir yet
[12:31] <zzarr> yea, I don't like broken source as a friend of mine calls it
[12:31] <ogra_> you would have to ask in #ubuntu-mir
[12:32] <zzarr> it was a joke ;)
[12:32] <dhbiker> wait MX4 runs Mir ?
[12:32] <ogra_> ubuntu on phones runs Mir
[12:32] <dhbiker> oh.
[12:32] <ogra_> everywhere :)
[12:32] <zzarr> dhbiker: yea
[12:32] <jgdx> larsu, ping
[12:32] <larsu> jgdx, hi
[12:33] <dhbiker> i was out of ubuntu game for a long long time... left when there was 7.04 released
[12:33] <dhbiker> xD
[12:33] <zzarr> I like mir
[12:33]  * ogra_ too
[12:34] <jgdx> larsu, hi, we want to add a “a(ss)” key to a schema, and the GSettings qml binding seems to crash. I remember I've been through this before. :)
[12:34] <jgdx> there's no support for that sig, right?
[12:34] <zzarr> I know it's a OT question, ogra_, when will we get mir on the desktop computers?
[12:36] <ogra_> zzarr, after 16.04 ... or if you want to you should be able to try ubuntu-personal (snappy baseed) earlier
[12:37] <ogra_> -e
[12:40] <larsu> jgdx, let me check
[12:40] <jgdx> larsu, thanks. There's a{ss}, which you kindly implemented for me a while back. :)
[12:43] <larsu> jgdx, indeed, it doesn't. Please file a bug and I'll look into it this wek
[12:43] <larsu> *week
[12:44] <jgdx> larsu, thank you
[12:49] <zzarr> okey ogra_, nice
[12:50] <zzarr> is ubuntu-personal the new name of what's to day called just ubuntu?
[12:52] <nhaines> zzarr: no, it's the name of Ubuntu for phones/desktops that runs Unity 8 and Mir and is based around snappy technologies.
[12:52] <zzarr> nhaines, thanks :)
[12:53] <zzarr> I love snappy
[12:54] <zzarr> have nVidia made any Mir drivers yet?
[12:56] <zzarr> I'll ask in #ubuntu-mir :)
[12:59] <ogra_> zzarr, you should team up with the guy on tteh mailing list btw :)
[13:00] <zzarr> who is "the guy"?
[13:00] <ogra_> Krzysztof Tataradziński  ... see the recent thread
[13:04] <zzarr> thanks I'll have a look
[13:05] <zzarr> do you have a link to the mailing list?
[13:09] <zzarr> I found it :D (and subscribed)
[13:12] <zzarr> I have to go, bye and thanks
[13:44] <Guest30084> Hello, can I launch regular GNU/Linux program on ubuntu phone?
[13:45] <GAM002> any people here know how to install a theme on ubuntu using unity tweak tool? sorry for asking people on #ubuntu doesnt seems to know
[13:45] <mcphail> Guest30084: you can launch a text program in the terminal, but not a GUI program
[13:45] <ogra_> Guest30084, sure, there are people using mutt or htop on their phones
[13:45] <ogra_> mcphail, lies ! ... tuxracer is a gui program !
[13:45] <ogra_> :)
[13:45] <k1l> GAM002: this channels focus is on the ubuntu on smartphones. please dont crosspost
[13:46] <mcphail> ogra_: ha!
[13:46] <Guest30084> Why so? That's a linux distro, if i am not mistaken
[13:46] <GAM002> k1l: ok
[13:48] <Guest30084> What is the window system in ubuntu phone? Is that Xorg?
[13:49] <k1l> Guest30084: its MIR
[13:50] <nhaines> ogra_: thanks for chatting about Ubuntu phone stuffs earlier, btw.  I did finish that book appendix, now I just have to read it again after I've slept, then rewrite it to not be so bad.  :)
[13:50] <ogra_> heh
[13:50] <ogra_> good luck with it :)
[13:51] <nhaines> Thanks!  It's the last bit, Appendix B, so other than fighting VirtualBox to get snappy running for a screenshot or two, then fighting my phone and tablet (Today scope still isn't working anywhere!) to get a couple screenshots, I'm all done minus copyedit review.  :)
[13:54] <Guest30084> So why can't gnu/linux programs be launched on ubuntuphone?
[13:55] <jgdx> Guest30084, cause stuff is missing
[13:56] <ogra_> Guest30084, the system is readonly so your first obstacle is installing auch apps ... then usually such apps are compiled against Xorg which isnt running on the phone
[13:56] <ogra_> s/auch/such/
[13:57] <Guest30084> ogra_, Can't I install my own apps? There's XMir - a compability layer for Xorg apps
[13:58] <ogra_> Xmir isnt done yet and thus not shipped on the phones
[13:58] <ogra_> (onc it is stable that will likely change)
[13:59] <Guest30084> ogra_, can i install it manually?
[14:00] <ogra_> sure, but why would you if it only works very marginal yet
[14:00] <ogra_> it will be included by default once it is ready ..
[14:01] <ogra_> the phone is fully hackable you can indeed install anything you want (but will lose any way of doing upgrades then)
[14:02] <Guest30084> ogra_, So, I can just install X, make it start on boot and run gnu/linux programs?
[14:02] <ogra_> if you write a driver ....
[14:02] <ogra_> X wont display anything ...
[14:02] <Guest30084> ogra_, what driver?
[14:03] <ogra_> an xserver for the hardware
[14:03] <Guest30084> But if there's a MIR driver, it should work fine with X. The driver is in kernel
[14:04] <ogra_> if you re-do the kernel and enable the necessary framebuffer options you might be lucky and can use the fbdev xserver ... like a slideshow
[14:04] <ogra_> no
[14:04] <ogra_> Mir just talks to EGL/GLES ...
[14:05] <Guest30084> Well, I mean that if something is displayed, anything can be displayed
[14:05] <ogra_> not really
[14:05] <nhaines> Which is one big reason for Mir.  :)
[14:06] <ogra_> anyway, this is far beyond the topic here :) ... you can indeed hack your ubuntu phone in all possible ways ... but you would be pretty much on your own with native Xorg ...
[14:07] <Guest30084> ogra_, I  dont have ubuntu phone, but if that is possible, I will definetely buy it
[14:08] <mcphail> Guest30084: true for very small degrees of "possible"
[14:08] <mcphail> Guest30084: if you are looking for a full X- experience, the phone is not for you kust now
[14:09] <ogra_> mcphail, well, possible is everything ... nothing is locked down ...
[14:09] <ogra_> weather you can still use it as a phone or anything is a different story ...
[14:10] <ogra_> technically it is just hardware with an open OS ... if you indeed hack the OS out of its context you cant expect the OS to function as advertised ...
[14:12] <Guest30084> I just can't understand why it is so difficult to install regular ubuntu on that phone
[14:14] <Nadarian> hi there, I would like to ask about installing Ubuntu to a Meizu with Flyme, particularly: how hard is it and what is the possible rate of failure/damage? I have read one article but I would like to know, how does it look like from devs side
[14:14] <ogra_> there is a regular ubuntu on the phone ...
[14:14] <ogra_> just a different UI
[14:14] <ogra_> and due to the fact that we offer binary diff OTA upgrades it has to be readonly
[14:16] <dobey> why do so many people expect the phone to work like a 90s linux PC?
[14:16] <k1l> because they never tried to use a 90s PC with touchscreen :X
[14:16] <ogra_> haha
[14:17] <Guest30084> What about powersaving in ubuntu phone? Is kernel modified for this or that's only because of hardware?
[14:18] <dobey> and probably have absolutely 0 experience with any hardware that's not x86
[14:18] <ogra_> it is SW and HW indeed
[14:18] <ogra_> battery  life is usually better than with android on the same device
[14:18] <Guest30084> ogra_, what exactly with SW?
[14:19] <ogra_> software design ... powersaving tools etc
[14:19] <Guest30084> ogra_, does pc-ubuntu have such powersaving options?
[14:19] <ogra_> no
[14:20] <ogra_> once the PC switched to the same system it will likely be possible to use them there though
[14:20] <Guest30084> Is that acpi and init configuration or something new?
[14:20] <ogra_> there is no ACPI on ARM hardware
[14:21] <Guest30084> why?
[14:21] <dobey> well, sure. you can run apps that are designed not to kill the cpu, on the pc too
[14:21] <ogra_> heh, you have to ask ARM
[14:21] <Guest30084> but it can be compiled for arm
[14:22] <ogra_> no idea why they designed their processors without an awful error prone power management abstraction layer :)
[14:22] <dobey> ACPI is not part of the ARM specification
[14:22] <ogra_> probably because ARM devicews have no BIOS either :(
[14:22] <ogra_> err
[14:22] <ogra_> :)
[14:24] <dobey> depending on what software you care about running on your PC, a significant set of it probably isn't going to exist or be useful, on arm either
[14:25] <ogra_> well, the ubuntu archive is mostly complete wrt arm support
[14:25] <ogra_> only a handfull packages do not exist on ARM
[14:25] <k1l> but that is mostly pc drivers and such?
[14:25] <dobey> well, lots of things also have cpu optimizations on x86, that they don't have on arm either
[14:26] <dobey> so even if they are compiled for arm, they will probably be very unfriendly to use
[14:26] <dobey> i don't think i'd want to try using blender on the phone, for example
[14:26] <dobey> and you can't play any steam games, or use wine
[14:27] <ogra_> k1l, some exotic languages too i think
[14:27] <k1l> hmm well, one day in future with convergence and dockmode you actually want o
[14:28] <ogra_> you could use wine for arm windows apps ...
[14:28] <ogra_> and you could use steam if steam provided arm rebuilds
[14:28] <dobey> sure, "if steam provided arm-compatible steam"
[14:28] <dobey> they don't though
[14:29] <dobey> and windows rt is a joke
[14:29] <ogra_> wouldnt be hard to do though
[14:29] <ogra_> convincing game vendors to provide arm binaries of their games might :)
[14:29] <dobey> for valve? no, it would be easy for them to do i guess, except for the fact that they then have to support arm
[14:29] <ogra_> especially when you ask tzhem to reduce their graphics use to GLES only :)
[14:30] <dobey> yeah
[14:31] <dobey> they already don't provide any android, ios, or winrt steam gaming clients, so expecting them to do so on ubuntu is probably a bit much :)
[15:00] <Peto> hallo, can i Install Ubuntu touch on N7000 ?
[15:00] <dobey> !devices | Peto
[15:06] <dobey> Peto: please ask your questions in channel so that anyone can answer, and see the answers.
[15:06] <dobey> Peto: if a port is not yet available for a device, and you wish to port to your device, then yes, you can attempt to do so
[15:07] <Peto> dobey ok sorry, there is sometning but old, cca from 2013
[15:12] <k1l> Peto: i would look into the xda forums if there is already a group of guys trying to port it
[15:26] <Peto> k1l can find nothing
[15:52] <rsalveti> mandel: are you good now regarding the pulseaudio landing?
[15:52] <mandel> rsalveti, yes
[15:52] <mandel> rsalveti, I fwd the patches to diwic and he took a look
[15:52] <mandel> rsalveti, and got a silo etc..
[15:52] <mandel> for qa testing
[15:52] <rsalveti> mandel: great
[16:11] <mterry> cyphermox, do you have any thoughts on what to investigate for bug 1480844?  (on the assumption it might be triggered by network-manager)
[16:11] <mterry> cyphermox, I have some comments on how I trigger it in the bug
[16:33] <popey> kenvandine: http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/
[16:43] <jgdx> Elleo, ping
[16:56] <mandel> kenvandine, with silo 28 is a matter of flashing ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en-proposed do a apt-add-repo and update & upgrade, right?
[17:04] <kenvandine> mandel, you can use citrain to install it
[17:04] <kenvandine> if you like
[17:08] <kenvandine> mandel, citrain device-upgrade 28 0000 ubuntu
[19:42] <robin-hero> Hey all! Can I take a screenshot of my phone somehow while it is booting?
[19:45] <beuno> robin-hero, probably not, as there's not a lot of software running at that point
[19:46] <dobey> you might be able to phablet-screenshot, if dev mode is enabled, and stuff is up and running at that point, but i'm not sure if it is
[19:47] <robin-hero> dobey: Thanks, I'll give it a try
[19:48] <dobey> or you can just grab the PNG image for the splash screen from disk and upload it somewhere instead. :)
[19:48] <dobey> same result
[19:49] <dobey> if your boot is broken for some reason, dictating your need to take a screen shot, you might need to use a camera to take a picture of the phone instead
[19:51] <robin-hero> dobey: phablet-screenshot doesn't work. It can only take a screenshot when I am unlock the lock screen
[19:51] <robin-hero> Where can I find the splash screen PNG? :)
[19:52] <dobey> i don't know
[19:56] <robin-hero> I want to make a picture from the new splash screen (ota6), but I don't have a camera, and my other phone has only a 2Mpx camera... :D
[19:57] <dobey> emulator? :)
[19:58] <dacheat> howdy, is anybody around that could assist me with an ubuntu touch / nexus 7 installation problem?
[19:59] <robin-hero> dobey: It is not working at the moment because of a bug, and it doesn't show the splash screen anyway
[19:59] <dobey> dacheat: which nexus 7?
[20:00] <dacheat> 2013
[20:00] <dacheat> "flo"
[20:00] <dobey> what is the problem?
[20:01] <dacheat> every time i try to flash the ubuntu touch image it gives me an error about /cache/recovery "is a directory"
[20:01] <dacheat> sorry im not with the tablet for more info
[20:02] <Springbank> Did you try with Multirom?
[20:03] <dobey> dacheat: do you have android 5.x on the tablet?
[20:03] <dobey> dacheat: if so, you will need to restore to android 4.4, boot to android welcome screen, reboot to recovery or fastboot, and then flash with ubuntu-device-flash, to replace android
[20:21] <dacheat> sorry i got pulled into a meeting
[20:21] <dacheat> i will try restoring 4.4 and doing the process again
[20:21] <dacheat> and i did not try multirom
[20:21] <dacheat> and the tablet is running 5.1.1
[20:24] <dobey> yeah, 5.x is your problem. restoring 4.4 should fix it
[20:28] <dacheat> awesome, thanks for the feedback
[20:29] <dacheat> have a great day, everyone!
[21:33] <Tea> There's a bunch of junk scopes I want to remove from my Aquaris but going through the store and hitting uninstall is tedious and apparently ineffective
[21:34] <Tea> Can I uninstall them from the command line? Notice that `click` doesn't have an uninstall flag
[21:35] <mandel> kenvandine, making sure that the project compiles and I'll send you the patches
[21:35] <mandel> kenvandine, if you can dput that I'll be able to take a look on what is really going on
[21:45] <dobey> Tea: you can't actually remove the files from the phone i don't think, as they're part of the pre-installed image; but how do you mean that uninstalling from the store scope, is ineffective?
[21:45] <kenvandine> mandel, ok
[21:46] <kenvandine> mandel, i'll be back online in a bit
[21:46] <kenvandine> not long :)
[21:47] <Tea> dobey: I was mistaken - uninstalled etsy-scope and it still appeared, after a reboot it's gone though
[21:47] <Tea> Still listed in tweakgeek though
[21:47] <dobey> i don't know how tweakgeek works
[21:48] <Tea> It lists installed apps, but I dunno how it detects them
[21:48] <dobey> but it's part of the pre-installed read-only image, so you can't remove the files exactly. you can unregister it though
[21:48] <Tea> If the files aren't actually removed then that'll be why they're detected
[21:48] <dobey> assuming it's looking at the files, instead of asking the system what's installed
[21:48] <dobey> sounds like a bug in tweakgeek
[21:49] <dobey> Tea: it still appeared where until you rebooted? as a favorited scope, or only in the scopes management list?
[21:49] <Tea> How come they're treated differently to regular apps? Since half of them are obviously worthless bloat it'd be nice to kill them off completely
[21:49] <Tea> dobey: if I searched for it, it showed a launcher
[21:49] <dobey> they aren't treated differently to regular apps
[21:51] <dobey> pre-installed stuff is installed in a different location on the image though, which is read-only
[21:52] <Tea> Right - I guess I just don't quite get why so many of them were installed all at once
[21:53] <mandel> kenvandine, email sent, let me know when you push it..
[21:53] <kenvandine> mandel, ok
[21:53] <Tea> Etsy for example. That's just some website - and I had a bunch of Spanish language news feeds selected as default scopes
[21:53] <dobey> Tea: the bq phone primary target market is spain (they're a spanish company)
[21:53] <mandel> kenvandine, make it quick, I'm watching the worst dating tv show ever on E4.. I bet I'll have an essex accent in the morning :-/
[21:54] <dobey> so i would expect "business reasons" is why the scopes are pre-installed such as they are
[21:54] <mandel> dobey, you are correct, the bq images has bq custom scopes etc..
[21:55] <dobey> mandel: of course i am right ;)
[21:55] <Tea> Annoying that business reasons always have to culminate in bloatware somewhere down the line. Oh well, it's not like my phone's exploding or anything
[21:55] <kenvandine> mandel, :-D
[21:55] <mandel> dobey, meh, dont get over yourself hahahaha
[21:56] <dobey> Tea: well, you're certainly free to flash a different image onto it as well, which doesn't have all the pre-installed scopes :)
[21:56] <Tea> dobey: I would like to mess about with some alternative images if there are any, scopes aside
[21:57] <dobey> Tea: of course, other pre-installed things specific to the bq images, that you might use, may be lost as well if using a different image
[21:57] <dobey> Tea: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash (use at own risk, etc etc)
[21:59] <Tea> Thanks, will be interesting to see the differences
[22:00] <kenvandine> mandel, building in silo 9
[22:01] <mandel> \o/
[22:03] <kenvandine> mandel, is that all you need tonight?
[22:04] <kenvandine> or will you want another revision?
[22:11] <mandel> kenvandine, that is all
[22:11] <mandel> kenvandine, Ill work on it during the night and we can take a look in the morning
[22:12] <kenvandine> mandel, ok, cool
[22:12] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[22:12] <kenvandine> :)
[22:12] <seb128> hey kenvandine ;-)
[22:24] <kenvandine> jgdx, seb128 destroyed your high score
[22:24] <kenvandine> jgdx, he scored 439
[22:26] <seb128> ;-)
[22:39] <seb128> kenvandine, btw there are more people at the bar if you feel like going back there (I don't, just went to report some issues with the a/c in my room)
[22:40] <kenvandine> sure
[22:40] <kenvandine> be right there :)
[22:44] <kenvandine> ok seb128, give me like 2 minutes
[22:44] <kenvandine> i'll have the template
[22:45] <seb128> kenvandine, I'm away a bit for shower, going to upload after that
[22:46] <kenvandine> ok
[23:40] <Cyn> can you install this operating system and get rid of windows?