[03:45] does any use Bluetooth APIs on Ubuntu touch? [07:10] hi there [07:10] i noticed that after charging if you leave it overnight you never get 100% [07:11] seems like it charges up and leaves it there [07:11] is it intentional ? [07:12] dhbiker: device and ubuntu touch channel? [07:12] arale RC proposed [07:12] whats arale? [07:12] meizu mx4 [07:13] kk [07:13] dhbiker: maybe you can look at the existing bugs [07:13] if its not there file a new bug? [07:14] well trickle charging is not good for LiPo batteries anyways [07:14] that's why i'm asking if it's intentional [07:14] :D === dbarth_ is now known as dbarth [08:02] hello! is it possible somehow to synchronize the web history between Firefox and the browser in Ubuntu Touch? [08:03] seb128, it’s bug 1422206 [08:03] bug 1422206 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Storage page takes about 6secs to open" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422206 [08:03] mpt, right [08:04] seb128, it would help if bug 1239884 had been entirely fixed … Looks like only part of it was done [08:04] bug 1239884 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "No visual feedback when a settings section is selected" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1239884 [08:07] right === joc|away is now known as joc_ [08:34] ogra_, morning! got a question for you or for rsalveti where do we land the pulseaudio patches for ubuntu-touch? [08:34] ogra_, is there a branch that is used to create the package, do we grab it from their git.. also, we noticed that we are not using trunk in the phone [08:35] mandel, i dont know, diwic or TheMuso maintain the audio stack in ubuntu ... worst case i would just apply a debdiff and let them know === marcusto_ is now known as marcustomlinson [08:41] I have plans to build a combined tablet/laptop with one of this: http://www.merrii.com/en/pla_d.asp?id=178 [08:43] My idea since there's only a Ubuntu 14.04 for it and I want the latest is to have 14.04 directly on the hardware and 15.04 (or 15.10 when released) in a chroot [08:45] will mir work on a AllWinner A80 based unit? [08:46] (there are Android drivers) [08:47] if you have a working build that includes the hybris bits [08:50] what's the requirements to build a the lxc container? === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [08:50] see the porting doc [08:50] (from /topic) [08:52] john-mcaleely, mandel, now I'm talking to you in private in parallel. Should we take it here instead? [08:53] diwic, works for me [08:53] diwic, john-mcaleely ok, so we have the pathes, we need to apply them and then dput them in a silo, that way QA can test it [08:54] and then in the longer run, figure out/document how this should work [08:54] ie, getting a silo with fixes is urgent [08:54] and getting to a place where lots of people can hack on this is job 2 [08:54] diwic, you know how to deal with the patches, is that right? I need to fwd you a change to get the apparmor profile from pid and not the app name [08:54] john-mcaleely, mandel what I do know is that we do have a droid sink in the distro [08:55] john-mcaleely, I kepp logs of EVERYTHING, so I'll just coy paste and will add to a wiki [08:55] diwic, do we need a droid sink to get the deb package? how do we usually send updates of pulse to the phone? [08:55] john-mcaleely, mandel and I know where the upstream repo is, it's the ubuntu branch of http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-pulseaudio/pulseaudio.git/ [08:56] aha [08:56] " how do we usually send updates of pulse to the phone?" <- now that is a "silo" question [08:56] thanks ogra_ [08:56] diwic, yes, that one you mentioned me :) [08:56] and this silo stuff I'm not very familiar with [08:56] diwic, so, we usually create bzr branch with what we need to land, add it to a spreadsheet (agh) and a silo (ppa) gets created [08:56] diwic, you just dput to a PPA instead of the archive [08:56] thats all [08:56] kenvandine, seb128: I reported bug 1488005 for making System Settings screens more responsive in general. The Storage screen will still need special work though. [08:56] bug 1488005 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Poor visual feedback when a screen loads slowly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488005 [08:56] (from an uploader POV at least) [08:56] exactly, diwic what ogra_ said [08:57] mpt, thanks [08:57] mpt, thx! [08:58] mandel, john-mcaleely: let's start with that mandel sends me the patch set with the latest fixes in. I'll review them and if they look good I commit them to the upstream repo. [08:59] diwic, are those the one related to the strust store, right? Can we send those to the upstream repo? If we can I'll fwd them to you [08:59] mandel, to the ubuntu branch? I suppose so [08:59] diwic, we do not have the trust store in the desktop, that is not a problem when talking about the ubuntu branch, right? [09:00] mandel, i e, since we already have the droid module (which is kind of touch specific) then we could have trust store there (which is also touch specific) [09:00] sounds good [09:00] ok [09:00] diwic, then I'll have to make sure that we move the patches that you created from master to ubuntu [09:00] mandel, as I understand it, the trust store module goes into its own binary package, which means it won't disturb the distro [09:01] diwic, correct, I wanted to have that sentence written down ;) [09:01] diwic, now, if I break something I'll do a -> diwic hehehe [09:04] mandel, diwic, just make sure to not do a too big version bump ... the vivid overlay PPA currently has 1:6.0-0ubuntu9 ... [09:05] the changes need to be on top of that [09:12] seb128, bug 1488016 [09:12] bug 1488016 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Missing chevrons on "Other app access"/"App permissions"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488016 [09:12] mpt, thanks [09:14] its OTA week isnt it? [09:15] ProstheticS, correct! [09:15] ProstheticS, theoretically :) [09:16] (practically an OTA only goes out if it fulfils all requirements of quality on all arches, so an OTA date is never a fixed date, it can slide) [09:16] quality > being on time [09:18] ogra_: so Wednesday, right? [09:19] nhaines, ask sil2100 :) [09:19] i think the emulator has still issues [09:19] nhaines: hard to say, there are still some blocking issues we need to fix before the release can happen [09:20] ogra_, sil2100: just teasing. ;) [09:20] We expect to have all the fixes tested and released today, but because of that QA will need some additional time for testing aaand this will all delay stuff [09:20] ;) [09:20] :) [09:21] Although actually I do have a serious question. I'm writing an appendix to my book on Ubuntu about the future of Ubuntu, and am writing a page or so about phones and convergence. [09:21] I'm starting to wonder if I should talk about running desktop apps on a phone with a mouse and keyboard "after October" or "after April". [09:29] well, april is guaranteed ... october is a "might be" thing [09:29] i guess it will happen somewhere in the middle :) [09:32] ogra_: Okay, for a book due out September 15th that should work. Although they didn't tell me they were pushing it up from October 9th so I need to double check my Ubuntu 15.10 references. :P Luckily it's specifically on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. :) [09:33] ogra_: I start hearing that the Ubuntu OTA images will never be rebased on 15.10 and I start to worry. :P [09:33] well, thats true [09:45] ogra_: yes, so that's where I started to worry. :) [09:46] What's the plan there? Isn't snappy going to rebase to 15.10? [09:46] Or are you going to stick with vivid-overlay stuff until wily+1? [09:48] nhaines: interesting question, do you mean 16.04 with wily+1? [09:48] zzarr: yup! [09:48] okey [09:48] kenvandine, this is the overlay ppa => https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay right? [09:49] mandel, yes [09:49] great === _salem is now known as salem_ [10:00] nhaines, yes [10:00] :P [10:00] nhaines, olli ries did this nice table explaining all the relations and support times [10:03] http://www.olli-ries.com/t-242d/ [10:21] ogra_: yes, I didn't find the information to be very useful. Specifically, it summed up each individual component but aside from Desktop Next ISOs didn't seem to have any information about relationships or timelines. [10:21] well, it will migrate to 16.04 eventually [10:22] 15.10 will be skipped [10:22] But when I hear that, I think "They're sticking with vivid, wily and wily+1 will be ignored, and some time after April the phone will switch to snappy Ubuntu Personal." [10:23] wily+1 wont be ignored ... [10:23] i guess we'll switch after 16.04 feature freeze at some point [10:23] until then the base stays vivid [10:24] Surely you won't be rebasing the OTA on 16.04 in February though. [10:24] ogra_: any idea how to get adb access on a ported device without display so far? [10:25] i tried the solution from porting guide etc nothing works [10:25] I guess my question is, will the vivid base get new Mir and XMir before then? [10:25] Talustus, depends how far into the boot you get [10:25] it is looking like it starts the android container [10:25] nhaines, the vivid base is rolling .. [10:25] so yeah, it always gets constantly updated with backported bits from the devel release [10:26] the led on my device starts blinking blue and pc recognizes the device i just can not get adb access for more debuging [10:26] o_O [10:26] ogra_: do I guess right if I think this is because no one wants to deal with gcc5? :) [10:26] Talustus, boot into recovery and touch /data/.adb_onlock ... (or /userdata/.adb_onlock depends how your recovery mounts it) [10:27] nhaines, we have to deal with it at some point [10:27] ogra_: i did that already still nothing [10:27] the core idea is that we dont want to pull the carpet out underneath stabilization work that is just now happening [10:28] Talustus, do you see any log in /var/log/upstart for the adbd job ? [10:28] (when you look in /data/system-data/ from recovery) [10:28] lets see [10:29] also make sure your gadget is actually switching on adb in the init.rc [10:29] hardcode it if needed ... [10:30] ogra_: okay, well if you see wily improvements eventually making their way to vivid on the phone OTAs, I think that's enough information for me for this book. [10:30] Although I expect a LibreOffice click by December! :P [10:30] everything you see landing in the phone images also lands iin wily at the same time [10:30] i doubt there will ever be a libreoffice click :P [10:31] it will be a snap ;) [10:31] I would be happier about that if I thought that would happen before May! :) [10:31] ogra_: only that on adbd-emergency-shell.log [10:32] Talustus, hmm, something at least ... the emergency shell kicks in after 5min if the container cant come up iirc [10:33] if there are issues with starting adbd there might be info in the log [10:33] adbd-emergency-shell stop/pre-start, process 1641 [10:33] that says it dies in the pre-start script [10:34] of /etc/init/adbd-emergency-shell.conf [10:34] kenvandine, jgdx, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gsettings-desktop-schemas/tree/schemas [10:35] input-sources in there === Laney is now known as Guest65212 === Guest65212 is now known as Laney [11:21] seb128, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12182768/ === xiinotulp is now known as plutoniix === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:54] I think I asked about this before, but will it be possible to use the MX4 with a MHL connector and have it operate like a computer? === salem_ is now known as _salem [11:55] (with BT mouse and keyboard) [11:55] I mean in the future [11:57] zzarr, no [11:58] didnt you ask this a few times already ?) [12:01] I think I might have one time, but I was uncertain if I asked if it works now or in the future [12:02] what is required for it to work? [12:02] only a driver? [12:03] hardware support [12:03] and driver support [12:03] i dont think either exists [12:03] the hw supports it, so a driver then [12:03] and there is no focus at all on making it work on that device [12:03] the hardware doesnt support MHL afaik [12:04] only miracast [12:04] (and i dont think the Mir side supports miracast) [12:05] ogra_: that'll be in OTA-6 on Wednesday, right? :P [12:05] I read on a few pages that the hw supports MHL, are they wrong or is it a change in the Ubuntu version? [12:05] next wed you mean ? :P [12:05] zzarr, i think tehy are wrong [12:06] * nhaines only cares about bluez5 on Ubuntu 15.10 so he can reuse his Wii U Pro Controller on the desktop... no matter how awesome the Steam Controllers are looking. [12:06] i think the MTK chips have miracast support ... but i doubt that applies to the version sthat ship with an SGX GPU [12:14] okey ogra_, I sent a message to Meizu asking the same question, they will hopefully respond with facts. [12:14] yeah, i think it iss very likely that the GPU isnt wired up for it ... so even if the SoC supports it you wouldnt be able to use it [12:15] and as i said, nobody is working on such stuff anyway [12:15] according to gsmarena it is... [12:15] focus for external display support is only on nexus4 and once it exists the dedicated pocket desktop device [12:15] (on the ubuntu side) [12:15] no, but it could be interesting in the future ;) [12:15] zzarr: according to the person actually writing the phone software, it isn't. :) [12:16] nhaines, oh ? who is that ? [12:16] ogra_: you're writing all the software now, congrats. :) [12:16] nhaines, nah, like 80% of the plumbing team of the phone i was moved to snappy :) [12:17] * ogra_ hasnt written anything for the phone in several months [12:17] i just cant let go :P [12:17] yes, but unless I'm mistaken you ogra_ have had nothing to do with the wh development of the phone [12:17] haha [12:18] zzarr, except that i developed a lot of the under the hood setup, yes :) [12:18] most non UI stuff has been touched by me in the past [12:18] I meant hw not wh, it was a typo [12:18] ogra_: good, now I know who to pester about trying to run snappy personal soon. :) [12:19] yeah, i didnt use my soldering iron at all ... true :) [12:19] nhaines, snappy personal is seb128 ;) [12:19] (unless that changed recently) [12:22] the MX phone (older then MX4) have MHL support [12:23] (there's a clip on youtube showing it in action) [12:25] ogra_: are you tired of me? (repeating my self time and time over) [12:25] if i get tired of you i can ignore you :) [12:26] even if it was functional, you would have to impleent it on the android side ... in a way that Mir can make use of it ... [12:26] nobody in the official teams will work on that ... [12:26] well I'll get back to the topic when I get the response from Meizu [12:26] even then you would have to develop and send patches yourself :) [12:26] focus for external displays of the official teams is elsewhere [12:27] hi, I have a exynos 5250 board same soc as nexus 10, I see an mako image for nexus 10 how can I use it on my board? [12:27] (as i said, nexus4 and as soon as it exsists the official pocket desktop phone HW that will be specifically tailored for external display) [12:28] yea, but as far as I'm concerned if there's hw support it's a possible feature in the future [12:28] evenn then you would have to convince imagination tec. to adjust the PVR driver to make it work [12:28] good luck with that ... [12:29] thanks ;) [12:29] i really doubt you will ever see it work on an MX4 [12:29] maybe he proves you wrong :D [12:30] only time will tell right? [12:30] dhbiker, yeah, he could send patches :) [12:30] sadly he wont be able to for the driver :) [12:30] since it is closed [12:31] maybe I find another way... VNC would work right ;) [12:31] too bad [12:31] not sure if VNC works with Mir yet [12:31] yea, I don't like broken source as a friend of mine calls it [12:31] you would have to ask in #ubuntu-mir [12:32] it was a joke ;) [12:32] wait MX4 runs Mir ? [12:32] ubuntu on phones runs Mir [12:32] oh. [12:32] everywhere :) [12:32] dhbiker: yea [12:32] larsu, ping [12:32] jgdx, hi [12:33] i was out of ubuntu game for a long long time... left when there was 7.04 released [12:33] xD [12:33] I like mir [12:33] * ogra_ too [12:34] larsu, hi, we want to add a “a(ss)” key to a schema, and the GSettings qml binding seems to crash. I remember I've been through this before. :) [12:34] there's no support for that sig, right? [12:34] I know it's a OT question, ogra_, when will we get mir on the desktop computers? [12:36] zzarr, after 16.04 ... or if you want to you should be able to try ubuntu-personal (snappy baseed) earlier [12:37] -e [12:40] jgdx, let me check [12:40] larsu, thanks. There's a{ss}, which you kindly implemented for me a while back. :) [12:43] jgdx, indeed, it doesn't. Please file a bug and I'll look into it this wek [12:43] *week [12:44] larsu, thank you [12:49] okey ogra_, nice [12:50] is ubuntu-personal the new name of what's to day called just ubuntu? [12:52] zzarr: no, it's the name of Ubuntu for phones/desktops that runs Unity 8 and Mir and is based around snappy technologies. [12:52] nhaines, thanks :) [12:53] I love snappy [12:54] have nVidia made any Mir drivers yet? [12:56] I'll ask in #ubuntu-mir :) [12:59] zzarr, you should team up with the guy on tteh mailing list btw :) [13:00] who is "the guy"? [13:00] Krzysztof Tataradziński ... see the recent thread [13:04] thanks I'll have a look [13:05] do you have a link to the mailing list? === _salem is now known as salem_ === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:09] I found it :D (and subscribed) [13:12] I have to go, bye and thanks === qwerty is now known as Guest30084 [13:44] Hello, can I launch regular GNU/Linux program on ubuntu phone? [13:45] any people here know how to install a theme on ubuntu using unity tweak tool? sorry for asking people on #ubuntu doesnt seems to know [13:45] Guest30084: you can launch a text program in the terminal, but not a GUI program [13:45] Guest30084, sure, there are people using mutt or htop on their phones [13:45] mcphail, lies ! ... tuxracer is a gui program ! [13:45] :) [13:45] GAM002: this channels focus is on the ubuntu on smartphones. please dont crosspost [13:46] ogra_: ha! [13:46] Why so? That's a linux distro, if i am not mistaken [13:46] k1l: ok [13:48] What is the window system in ubuntu phone? Is that Xorg? [13:49] Guest30084: its MIR [13:50] ogra_: thanks for chatting about Ubuntu phone stuffs earlier, btw. I did finish that book appendix, now I just have to read it again after I've slept, then rewrite it to not be so bad. :) [13:50] heh [13:50] good luck with it :) [13:51] Thanks! It's the last bit, Appendix B, so other than fighting VirtualBox to get snappy running for a screenshot or two, then fighting my phone and tablet (Today scope still isn't working anywhere!) to get a couple screenshots, I'm all done minus copyedit review. :) [13:54] So why can't gnu/linux programs be launched on ubuntuphone? [13:55] Guest30084, cause stuff is missing [13:56] Guest30084, the system is readonly so your first obstacle is installing auch apps ... then usually such apps are compiled against Xorg which isnt running on the phone === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [13:56] s/auch/such/ [13:57] ogra_, Can't I install my own apps? There's XMir - a compability layer for Xorg apps [13:58] Xmir isnt done yet and thus not shipped on the phones [13:58] (onc it is stable that will likely change) [13:59] ogra_, can i install it manually? [14:00] sure, but why would you if it only works very marginal yet [14:00] it will be included by default once it is ready .. [14:01] the phone is fully hackable you can indeed install anything you want (but will lose any way of doing upgrades then) [14:02] ogra_, So, I can just install X, make it start on boot and run gnu/linux programs? [14:02] if you write a driver .... [14:02] X wont display anything ... [14:02] ogra_, what driver? [14:03] an xserver for the hardware [14:03] But if there's a MIR driver, it should work fine with X. The driver is in kernel [14:04] if you re-do the kernel and enable the necessary framebuffer options you might be lucky and can use the fbdev xserver ... like a slideshow [14:04] no [14:04] Mir just talks to EGL/GLES ... [14:05] Well, I mean that if something is displayed, anything can be displayed [14:05] not really [14:05] Which is one big reason for Mir. :) [14:06] anyway, this is far beyond the topic here :) ... you can indeed hack your ubuntu phone in all possible ways ... but you would be pretty much on your own with native Xorg ... [14:07] ogra_, I dont have ubuntu phone, but if that is possible, I will definetely buy it [14:08] Guest30084: true for very small degrees of "possible" [14:08] Guest30084: if you are looking for a full X- experience, the phone is not for you kust now [14:09] mcphail, well, possible is everything ... nothing is locked down ... [14:09] weather you can still use it as a phone or anything is a different story ... [14:10] technically it is just hardware with an open OS ... if you indeed hack the OS out of its context you cant expect the OS to function as advertised ... [14:12] I just can't understand why it is so difficult to install regular ubuntu on that phone [14:14] hi there, I would like to ask about installing Ubuntu to a Meizu with Flyme, particularly: how hard is it and what is the possible rate of failure/damage? I have read one article but I would like to know, how does it look like from devs side [14:14] there is a regular ubuntu on the phone ... [14:14] just a different UI [14:14] and due to the fact that we offer binary diff OTA upgrades it has to be readonly [14:16] why do so many people expect the phone to work like a 90s linux PC? [14:16] because they never tried to use a 90s PC with touchscreen :X [14:16] haha [14:17] What about powersaving in ubuntu phone? Is kernel modified for this or that's only because of hardware? [14:18] and probably have absolutely 0 experience with any hardware that's not x86 [14:18] it is SW and HW indeed [14:18] battery life is usually better than with android on the same device [14:18] ogra_, what exactly with SW? [14:19] software design ... powersaving tools etc [14:19] ogra_, does pc-ubuntu have such powersaving options? [14:19] no [14:20] once the PC switched to the same system it will likely be possible to use them there though [14:20] Is that acpi and init configuration or something new? [14:20] there is no ACPI on ARM hardware [14:21] why? [14:21] well, sure. you can run apps that are designed not to kill the cpu, on the pc too [14:21] heh, you have to ask ARM [14:21] but it can be compiled for arm [14:22] no idea why they designed their processors without an awful error prone power management abstraction layer :) [14:22] ACPI is not part of the ARM specification [14:22] probably because ARM devicews have no BIOS either :( [14:22] err [14:22] :) [14:24] depending on what software you care about running on your PC, a significant set of it probably isn't going to exist or be useful, on arm either [14:25] well, the ubuntu archive is mostly complete wrt arm support [14:25] only a handfull packages do not exist on ARM [14:25] but that is mostly pc drivers and such? [14:25] well, lots of things also have cpu optimizations on x86, that they don't have on arm either [14:26] so even if they are compiled for arm, they will probably be very unfriendly to use [14:26] i don't think i'd want to try using blender on the phone, for example [14:26] and you can't play any steam games, or use wine [14:27] k1l, some exotic languages too i think [14:27] hmm well, one day in future with convergence and dockmode you actually want o [14:28] you could use wine for arm windows apps ... [14:28] and you could use steam if steam provided arm rebuilds [14:28] sure, "if steam provided arm-compatible steam" [14:28] they don't though [14:29] and windows rt is a joke [14:29] wouldnt be hard to do though [14:29] convincing game vendors to provide arm binaries of their games might :) [14:29] for valve? no, it would be easy for them to do i guess, except for the fact that they then have to support arm [14:29] especially when you ask tzhem to reduce their graphics use to GLES only :) [14:30] yeah [14:31] they already don't provide any android, ios, or winrt steam gaming clients, so expecting them to do so on ubuntu is probably a bit much :) [15:00] hallo, can i Install Ubuntu touch on N7000 ? [15:00] !devices | Peto [15:00] Peto: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [15:06] Peto: please ask your questions in channel so that anyone can answer, and see the answers. [15:06] Peto: if a port is not yet available for a device, and you wish to port to your device, then yes, you can attempt to do so [15:07] dobey ok sorry, there is sometning but old, cca from 2013 [15:12] Peto: i would look into the xda forums if there is already a group of guys trying to port it === faenil_ is now known as faenil [15:26] k1l can find nothing [15:52] mandel: are you good now regarding the pulseaudio landing? [15:52] rsalveti, yes [15:52] rsalveti, I fwd the patches to diwic and he took a look [15:52] rsalveti, and got a silo etc.. [15:52] for qa testing [15:52] mandel: great [16:11] cyphermox, do you have any thoughts on what to investigate for bug 1480844? (on the assumption it might be triggered by network-manager) [16:11] bug 1480844 in Canonical System Image "Slow/hanging performance" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1480844 [16:11] cyphermox, I have some comments on how I trigger it in the bug [16:33] kenvandine: http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/ [16:43] Elleo, ping [16:56] kenvandine, with silo 28 is a matter of flashing ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en-proposed do a apt-add-repo and update & upgrade, right? [17:04] mandel, you can use citrain to install it [17:04] if you like [17:08] mandel, citrain device-upgrade 28 0000 ubuntu === salem_ is now known as _salem [19:42] Hey all! Can I take a screenshot of my phone somehow while it is booting? [19:45] robin-hero, probably not, as there's not a lot of software running at that point [19:46] you might be able to phablet-screenshot, if dev mode is enabled, and stuff is up and running at that point, but i'm not sure if it is [19:47] dobey: Thanks, I'll give it a try [19:48] or you can just grab the PNG image for the splash screen from disk and upload it somewhere instead. :) [19:48] same result [19:49] if your boot is broken for some reason, dictating your need to take a screen shot, you might need to use a camera to take a picture of the phone instead [19:51] dobey: phablet-screenshot doesn't work. It can only take a screenshot when I am unlock the lock screen [19:51] Where can I find the splash screen PNG? :) [19:52] i don't know [19:56] I want to make a picture from the new splash screen (ota6), but I don't have a camera, and my other phone has only a 2Mpx camera... :D [19:57] emulator? :) [19:58] howdy, is anybody around that could assist me with an ubuntu touch / nexus 7 installation problem? [19:59] dobey: It is not working at the moment because of a bug, and it doesn't show the splash screen anyway [19:59] dacheat: which nexus 7? [20:00] 2013 [20:00] "flo" [20:00] what is the problem? [20:01] every time i try to flash the ubuntu touch image it gives me an error about /cache/recovery "is a directory" [20:01] sorry im not with the tablet for more info [20:02] Did you try with Multirom? [20:03] dacheat: do you have android 5.x on the tablet? [20:03] dacheat: if so, you will need to restore to android 4.4, boot to android welcome screen, reboot to recovery or fastboot, and then flash with ubuntu-device-flash, to replace android [20:21] sorry i got pulled into a meeting [20:21] i will try restoring 4.4 and doing the process again [20:21] and i did not try multirom [20:21] and the tablet is running 5.1.1 [20:24] yeah, 5.x is your problem. restoring 4.4 should fix it [20:28] awesome, thanks for the feedback [20:29] have a great day, everyone! === JanC_ is now known as JanC [21:33] There's a bunch of junk scopes I want to remove from my Aquaris but going through the store and hitting uninstall is tedious and apparently ineffective [21:34] Can I uninstall them from the command line? Notice that `click` doesn't have an uninstall flag [21:35] kenvandine, making sure that the project compiles and I'll send you the patches [21:35] kenvandine, if you can dput that I'll be able to take a look on what is really going on [21:45] Tea: you can't actually remove the files from the phone i don't think, as they're part of the pre-installed image; but how do you mean that uninstalling from the store scope, is ineffective? [21:45] mandel, ok [21:46] mandel, i'll be back online in a bit [21:46] not long :) [21:47] dobey: I was mistaken - uninstalled etsy-scope and it still appeared, after a reboot it's gone though [21:47] Still listed in tweakgeek though [21:47] i don't know how tweakgeek works [21:48] It lists installed apps, but I dunno how it detects them [21:48] but it's part of the pre-installed read-only image, so you can't remove the files exactly. you can unregister it though [21:48] If the files aren't actually removed then that'll be why they're detected [21:48] assuming it's looking at the files, instead of asking the system what's installed [21:48] sounds like a bug in tweakgeek [21:49] Tea: it still appeared where until you rebooted? as a favorited scope, or only in the scopes management list? [21:49] How come they're treated differently to regular apps? Since half of them are obviously worthless bloat it'd be nice to kill them off completely [21:49] dobey: if I searched for it, it showed a launcher [21:49] they aren't treated differently to regular apps [21:51] pre-installed stuff is installed in a different location on the image though, which is read-only [21:52] Right - I guess I just don't quite get why so many of them were installed all at once [21:53] kenvandine, email sent, let me know when you push it.. [21:53] mandel, ok [21:53] Etsy for example. That's just some website - and I had a bunch of Spanish language news feeds selected as default scopes [21:53] Tea: the bq phone primary target market is spain (they're a spanish company) [21:53] kenvandine, make it quick, I'm watching the worst dating tv show ever on E4.. I bet I'll have an essex accent in the morning :-/ [21:54] so i would expect "business reasons" is why the scopes are pre-installed such as they are [21:54] dobey, you are correct, the bq images has bq custom scopes etc.. [21:55] mandel: of course i am right ;) [21:55] Annoying that business reasons always have to culminate in bloatware somewhere down the line. Oh well, it's not like my phone's exploding or anything [21:55] mandel, :-D [21:55] dobey, meh, dont get over yourself hahahaha [21:56] Tea: well, you're certainly free to flash a different image onto it as well, which doesn't have all the pre-installed scopes :) [21:56] dobey: I would like to mess about with some alternative images if there are any, scopes aside [21:57] Tea: of course, other pre-installed things specific to the bq images, that you might use, may be lost as well if using a different image [21:57] Tea: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash (use at own risk, etc etc) [21:59] Thanks, will be interesting to see the differences [22:00] mandel, building in silo 9 [22:01] \o/ [22:03] mandel, is that all you need tonight? [22:04] or will you want another revision? [22:11] kenvandine, that is all [22:11] kenvandine, Ill work on it during the night and we can take a look in the morning [22:12] mandel, ok, cool [22:12] hey seb128 [22:12] :) [22:12] hey kenvandine ;-) [22:24] jgdx, seb128 destroyed your high score [22:24] jgdx, he scored 439 [22:26] ;-) [22:39] kenvandine, btw there are more people at the bar if you feel like going back there (I don't, just went to report some issues with the a/c in my room) [22:40] sure [22:40] be right there :) [22:44] ok seb128, give me like 2 minutes [22:44] i'll have the template [22:45] kenvandine, I'm away a bit for shower, going to upload after that [22:46] ok === Zic is now known as Guest37794 [23:40] can you install this operating system and get rid of windows?