[00:24] <ahoneybun> Riddell: seems some feature is in 0.9.4 that we need
[01:10] <micahg> Riddell: I have a task to reenable gpssync in digikam, I assume that's post-beta 1 at this point?
[05:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:14] <soee> Riddell: did you had time to look at: libstreamanalyzer0 : Depends: libclucene-core1 (>= 2.3.3.4) but it is not installable ?
[07:21] <sitter> "proposed-migration now runs/blocks on failed armhf tests"
[07:21]  * sitter shivers
[07:25] <yofel> ohmy
[07:55] <sitter> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12190946/
[08:32] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, Are you participating in 15.10 beta 1?
[08:49] <Riddell> flexiondotorg: yeah I'd like to
[08:50] <Riddell> although I've no idea what shape our images are in, I'll take a look today
[08:50] <Riddell> soee: what does  apt-cache rdepends  libstreamanalyzer0  say?
[08:50] <Riddell> sitter: ug bother, I don't suppose it says why?
[08:51] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, Thanks.
[08:51] <sitter> Riddell: becuase you did not delete the epoch broken versions
[08:51] <Riddell> I'm sure I did!
[08:51] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, Well Ubuntu MATE and Ubuntu GNOME are both going in to this know we have big issues, so feel free to join us ;-)
[08:51] <Riddell> sitter: oh for vivid?
[08:52] <soee> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12191108/
[08:52] <sitter> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/npoykIf.jpg
[08:52] <sitter> Riddell: yes
[08:52] <lordievader> flexiondotorg: Big issues? What kind?
[08:52] <sitter> Riddell: I am adopting the kdeocrationv5 change from debian
[08:52] <Riddell> soee:  apt-cache policy libkio5  ?
[08:53] <sitter> somewhow we cheated our way around a BIC there
[08:53] <sitter> oh ah
[08:53] <flexiondotorg> lordievader, I only have about one third of the MATE 1.10 packages in the archive. Mixing bits of MATE 1.8 and MATE 1.10 is making a mess.
[08:53] <soee> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12191113/
[08:53] <lordievader> flexiondotorg: I can imagine.
[08:53] <flexiondotorg> lordievader, Ubuntu GNOME have similar issues.
[08:54] <Riddell> soee: ah hah, interesting
[08:54] <lordievader> Trying to get it in before the freezes, flexiondotorg?
[08:54] <flexiondotorg> Thankfully Mirv has synced a heap of packages from Debian unstable this morning, so I think Ubuntu MATE won't be a crashtastic disaster now :-)
[08:55] <lordievader> flexiondotorg: Good, good :D
[08:55] <Riddell> soee: the problem is that kde4libs hasn't been updated for some reason, I'll get onto that
[08:55] <flexiondotorg> Yeah. I've been on jury service for 3 weeks and my Debian sponosors have had summer vacations and something call DebConf.
[08:55] <soee> Riddell: cool, thank you
[08:55] <flexiondotorg> So, package uploads got delayed.
[08:56] <sitter> Riddell: also btw http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.08.0_wily.html --> Not in PPA: libkgeomap, marble, pairs, kde-l10n,
[08:57] <Riddell> sitter: pairs is dead, libkgeomap is kdelibs4 only and marble is already uploaded
[08:57] <Riddell> and kde-l10n is uploaded separately
[08:58] <sitter> where does the status page get that list from?
[09:02] <Riddell> sitter: I've clicked delete on those vivid packages, it'll take some time to flush out I guess
[09:02] <Riddell> sitter: kubuntu-automation package-name-lists/applications-wily
[09:02] <Riddell> which gets updated by package-name-list
[09:03]  * sitter wonders why it doesn't simply use live data from download.kde.org
[09:07] <Riddell> that is what  package-name-list uses, it's a timesaver and download.kde.org isn't publically available pre-release
[09:08] <sitter> Riddell: so why is pairs listed?
[09:08] <Riddell> I guess it didn't get updated
[09:08] <Riddell> you could also ask why kde4libs isn't listed, which I think is a bug in the script caused by different version number
[09:10] <sitter> I thik we should collectively stop writing scripts and start writing programs :P
[09:11] <yofel> nah, that would make it look like we actually knew what we're doing
[09:13] <sitter> next thing you know people expect us to read bug reports :|
[09:14] <yofel> eeeeh?
[09:21] <Riddell> waa why is amarok on amd64 failing and not on other arches? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/215458512/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.amarok_2%3A2.8.0-0ubuntu6_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:22] <Riddell> armhf has the same issue
[09:22] <Riddell> others compile fine
[09:24] <yofel> how about switching to clementine?
[09:25] <sitter> yofel: that would anger a council member I think
[09:26] <yofel> well, we can extend the life support for amarok for a while longer, but...
[09:26] <sitter> celementine isn't a reasonable replacement anyway IMO
[09:26] <sitter> juk ftw \o/
[09:27] <soee> so amarok isn't maintaind anymore ?
[09:27] <yofel> what happened to the reasonable part? ^^
[09:27] <sitter> actually, since some people are pursuing a new default palyer for KDE that might be an option
[09:28] <sitter> I rather moved to a stance where I think that default apps should be as lean as possible
[09:28]  * lordievader uses clemetine right now
[09:29] <yofel> yeah, that should be the direction to go
[09:29] <sitter> Riddell: one of the build deps changed between builds maybe?
[09:30] <sitter> soee: I was told that it is
[09:30] <soee> but ?
[09:30] <sitter> but I am not using it, so I don't know what state it is in
[09:30] <soee> it works :D
[09:34] <soee> vdg made some concepts for media player i think
[09:34] <soee> are there any plans for new app though?
[09:36] <Riddell> there was a lot of talk about it after akademy
[09:37] <Riddell> I must admit I don't use anything since subscribing to spotify
[09:38] <soee> oh i'm using Amarok for my local collection or listening radio stations
[09:38] <soee> tbh. i don't see replacement for it atm.
[09:38] <soee> i'm not sure how tomahawk loks liek these days
[09:39] <soee> but it is more social player than local one
[09:40] <soee> Riddell: the talk was about media player or music player ?
[09:42] <stefan`> hey guys, here is an annozing question: will we (and if yes, when) have plasma 5.4 in some vivid ppa?
[09:42] <stefan`> annoying ;)
[09:43] <soee> it's not even released :)
[09:43] <soee> first it has to be packaged for Wily
[09:43] <soee> i think nobody will give you exact date when it will be backported :)
[09:45] <stefan`> ok, thanks
[09:46] <Riddell> yeah we haven't started wily yet I'm afraid
[09:49] <sitter> Riddell: kdepim-runtime will need a new upload for not installed files
[09:49] <sitter> 32 errors, 15 warnings
[09:49] <sitter> fml
[09:50]  * clivejo hisses and spits
[09:50] <Riddell> sitter: those googleagent bits magically reappear?
[09:50] <sitter> Riddell: reintroduction of kgapi as build dep
[09:50] <sitter> we still need to figure out what to do with libkolab deps btw
[09:51] <sitter> IIRC kdepim was the only rdep anyway, so we can probably just transit
[09:53] <clivejo> Riddell: are you working on 15.08.0 apps?
[09:53] <Riddell> clivejo: not just now I'm not
[09:58] <clivejo> sitter: are you working on it?
[09:58] <sitter> only pim
[09:59] <clivejo> kdepim-runtime?
[09:59] <clivejo> ah I see
[09:59] <Riddell> clivejo: right I uploaded that with sitter's change
[09:59] <Riddell> not doing anything else
[09:59] <clivejo> can I upload ?
[09:59] <Riddell> sure
[09:59] <clivejo> oh its done
[09:59] <clivejo> no bother
[10:01] <clivejo> kde-baseapps looks like symbols
[10:02] <clivejo> anyone doing that?
[10:02] <clivejo> and missing files
[10:09] <allee> sitter: FYI kwallet migration dialog still show. Upgraded today, rebooted, delete kwallet4 & 5 on virt. console. Logged in and Migration wizard was shown (even bemore the login animation finished)
[10:10] <sitter> Riddell: new upload for kdepim plz
[10:10] <sitter> allee: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kwallet-kf5/5.13.0-0ubuntu2 didn't land yet
[10:10] <sitter> so unless you have proposed enabled that is expected
[10:11] <sitter> also I would advise against using proposed today as I spotted a libnm upload xD
[10:11] <sitter> Riddell: wondering if kubuntu-web-shortcuts should move upstream btw
[10:12] <sitter> desktop files for krunner shortcuts
[10:12] <Riddell> clivejo: all yours :)
[10:12] <clivejo> ok
[10:12] <Riddell> clivejo: the missing files are dolphin4 files which we need for the kpart for konqueror, so I think that needs a new package for them
[10:13] <sitter> kpart4-dolphin
[10:13] <sitter> oh oh
[10:13] <sitter> Riddell: I wonder if we should put kgapi back for kdepim
[10:13] <clivejo> upload kdepim (4:15.08.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa3 with sitters changes?
[10:13] <sitter> probably a good idea
[10:13] <Riddell> clivejo: please do
[10:14] <clivejo> sitter will I hold off?
[10:14] <sitter> clivejo: no upload for now
[10:14] <sitter> it won't be green anyway
[10:14] <sitter> and kgapi first should go through CI
[10:27] <Riddell> the kde transition lines at the bottom of http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt are outright scary
[10:29] <Riddell> oh yay amarok compiled :)
[10:29] <Riddell> today is a good day
[10:31] <yofel> the release team should start using debian's auto transition tracker and put everything in ben :/
[10:39] <sitter> to this day I have not really understood the use of the output
[10:40] <yofel> it helps figuring out transitions if you don't have ben
[10:40] <yofel> or debugging britney if the autohinter does something stupid
[10:41] <sitter> yofel: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt this?
[10:41] <yofel> yes
[10:41] <sitter> I don't see it
[10:41] <yofel> well, you have to know how to read that mess
[10:42] <yofel> which is why you usually don't want to do that
[10:42] <sitter> yeah well
[10:42] <sitter> ...
[10:42] <yofel> but as our transitions aren't on the transition tracker, that's all we have
[10:48] <yofel> hm, we could just run our own transition tracker actually...
[10:50] <sitter> yofel: depends.. most of the archive tech I run into seems insanely crafty to setup for some reasn
[10:50] <sitter> or maybe I am too daft to comprehend xD
[10:51] <yofel> well, I could set that up as I know the tanglu configuration rather well. And wily/wily-proposed works similiar to tanglu dasyatis/staging
[10:51] <yofel> maybe I'll play with that later
[10:52] <sitter> yofel++
[10:58] <sitter> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/215492814/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-i386.kscreen_4%3A5.3.95%2Bgit20150825.0935%2B15.10-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:58] <sitter> wtf
[11:00] <sitter> and it passes on amd64
[11:01] <sitter> cmake is drunk or something
[11:02] <sitter> Riddell: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/kscreen.git/tree/debian/patches/kubuntu_disable-test.diff?h=kubuntu_wily_archive
[11:02] <sitter> questionable patch. also no dep5.
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:53] <sitter> 1 errors, 6 warnings
[11:53] <sitter> progress \o/
[12:01] <sitter> argh ffs
[12:01] <sitter> Riddell: can you poke kdecoration through binary new plz so I can do rebuilds 
[12:14] <mparillo> I see Wily Beta 1 is out for testing: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/345/builds But, when I see sitter write 'rebuids', should we wait?
[12:14] <sitter> mparillo: no, it wont land for beta
[12:14] <sitter> also I am talking package rebuilds :)
[12:31] <Riddell> mparillo: please do test
[12:32] <Riddell> sitter: looking
[12:34] <Riddell> sitter: accepted!
[12:38] <sitter> second try for rebuild then
[12:38] <clivejo> I think kopete depends on PIM stuff and that is now fixed, will I retyry?
[13:05] <mparillo> 32-bit Wily Beta 1 Live USB created with unetbootin worked fine. I assume dolphin was removed from favorites because it had a missing icon?
[13:09] <sitter> Riddell: I give up. I am too stupid to do a transition
[13:09] <sitter> shit keeps building against old kdeocration library
[13:10] <Riddell> mparillo: known bug upstream, sitter fixed it upstream, fix should be in final plasma 5.4
[13:10] <Riddell> sitter: wait a bit I guess?
[13:11] <sitter> oh maybe kwin brings it in
[13:11] <mparillo> Thx, on to full disk install.
[13:16] <sitter> Riddell: I am btw content to put this in an ignore KCI-W :: W: kdepim source: intra-source-package-circular-dependency libcalendarsupport5 libeventviews5 libincidenceeditorsng5 libkdepim5 libkleo5 libmailcommon5 libmailimporter5 libmessagecomposer5 libmessageviewer5 libpimcommon5 libtemplateparser5
[13:17] <sitter> I am rather certain this won't be easy to detangle if even possible
[13:17] <Riddell> sitter: yes I fear you might be right
[13:17] <sitter> dvratil also found the library tanglement rather awful
[13:18] <BluesKaj> just downloaded the daily/beta with zsync, but the terminal doesn't go back to the prompt even tho the download shows 100%...assuming it's an image checksum?
[13:18] <yofel> we've also had this for years. I never whitelisted it on QA because it *should* be fixed, but... nobody ever tries
[13:22] <mparillo> BluesKaj: That happens to me maybe one in ten or twenty times. I just control c, up arrow, and run it again. You will probably download nothing, and run a successful check sum. Of course, you can simply control c and run md5sum against the iso.
[13:26] <mparillo> 32-bit Wily Beta 1 full install worked fine in a VM. Papercuts (I still have to force power-down my VM after the reboot window comes up and I have to migrate my empty kwallet) remain.
[13:27] <Riddell> mparillo: lovely thanks :)
[13:39] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  ok trying again
[13:41] <mparillo> Working on encrypted LVM now
[13:54] <soee> Riddell: do we build already 5.4 final for Wily ?
[13:54] <Riddell> soee: not yet no
[13:54] <soee> oki
[14:29] <BluesKaj> well, I have to report 2 failures after the zsync download of the Wily beta image, so be warned , you might be wasting your time with that method
[14:39] <sitter> hm
[14:39] <sitter> apparently I wildcarded whatever google thing is in kdepim
[14:39] <sitter> very smart of me
[14:40] <sitter> well then
[14:41] <sitter> Riddell: kdepim needs new upload which should solve all lintians but two and those two are fixed for 15.08.1
[14:42] <sitter> oh yeah and binary-without-manpage (someone should make the status page thingy ignore those warnings)
[14:42] <sitter> much clutter
[14:55] <mparillo> On the latest version of Muon Discover for Wily, does anybody see a download button when selecting an application (Rekonq, Qupzilla, or Chromium).
[15:03] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  the zsync method didn't finish the full download and neither does the HTML method unless one pauses the download and the resumes so that it finishes. Dunno what the flaw may be, but there's something prevent a full download from finishing by itself.
[15:03] <BluesKaj> preventing even
[15:04] <BluesKaj> tried the zsync methos twice btw
[15:11] <BluesKaj> anyway the html download finished after pause and resume
[15:15] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  yes i see an install button for each 
[15:16] <BluesKaj> in muon discover
[15:19] <Mamarok> I have sort of a problem: lately I see a lot of mail rejected sent to my @kde.org address coming from my @ubuntu.com one, which is obvious spam. Is there something I can do?
[15:20] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Zsync went fine here.
[15:22] <BluesKaj> failed twice here, dunno why ...should check the logs I guess
[15:25] <lordievader> Tried to download everything at first since it didn't have read permission.
[15:28] <BluesKaj> ok time for a Wily beta clean install
[15:30] <lordievader> I suppose the test window is open till thursday?
[15:57] <soee> so apps wil be released after 15.10 beta ?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> we don't have kde-baseapps anymore do we?
[17:17] <yofel> I think the PPA had a package that was called like that
[17:18] <yofel> mostly kde4 stuff
[17:18] <yofel> or probably all kde4 stuff
[17:20] <mparillo> When testing the full install, could you see if you get a message: Configuration file "//.config/kwalletd5rc" not writable? It happened after a reboot.
[17:21] <mparillo> I  have been running Wily daily for some time, but I only saw that today for the first time, on the Beta 1 ISO.
[17:22] <mparillo> Ignore. Ugh. I see in my history a sudo kate. 
[18:15] <clivejo> how are apps 15.08.0 coming on?
[18:17] <soee> kopete fails from what i see
[18:18] <clivejo> any ideas why?
[18:19] <soee> nope
[18:19] <clivejo>  sbuild-build-depends-kopete-dummy : Depends: kdepim-dev but it is not going to be installed
[18:19] <clivejo>                                      Depends: libkleo4 but it is not going to be installed
[18:20] <yofel> IIRC it hard-depends on kde[4!]pimlibs kabc, there was some talk about it on the kde packager ML
[18:20] <yofel> I don't remember what the solution was though
[18:21] <yofel> (actually, it involved a stipped down akonadi4 packaging somehow)
[18:23] <soee> yofel: but it is only kopete taht fails ?
[18:24] <yofel> kopete is the only package in that situation
[18:27] <clivejo> why is kdepim-dev not going to be installed?
[18:27] <clivejo> where is it?
[18:30] <yofel> I *think* that stuff was splitted for qt5, can't check right now
[18:31] <yofel> but before you start on kopete, talk to sitter
[19:30] <yofel> so, my first time trying the new kmail
[19:30] <yofel> Application: KMail (kmail), signal: Aborted
[19:30] <yofel> uhuh...
[19:31] <soee> and this was your wirst time .. :D 
[19:31] <yofel> well, I think my experience with 4.6 was similar...
[19:32] <yofel> ok, next try actually worked
[19:32] <yofel> heck, even akonadi works
[19:32] <yofel> this seems strange......
[19:33] <clivejo> strange it works?
[19:34] <soee> i tries kmail twice i think, always going back to thunderbird
[19:34] <soee> *tried
[19:34] <clivejo> I love kontact
[19:35] <clivejo> when it works its brilliant
[19:36] <yofel> Yakuake was unable to load the Konsole component.
[19:36] <yofel> A Konsole installation is required to use Yakuake.
[19:36] <yofel> uhm...
[19:36] <soee> hehe "when it works" :D
[19:36] <yofel> how did I remove konsole4-kpart..
[19:36] <clivejo> its a compliated arrangement
[19:37] <clivejo> like balancing a house of cards on a knife blade, but it is possuble!
[19:37] <soee> woho owncloud client now supports multiple accounts !
[19:39] <yofel> oh, sweet
[19:40] <yofel> but that "Add Folder to Synchronize" button does nothing here..
[19:41] <soee> hmm true
[19:48] <lordievader> How can you tell pdebuild to automatically install build dependencies in the pbuilder chroot?
[19:49] <lordievader> Apart from pbuilder --login and apt-getting in there, what I am doing now, I guess there is a better way...
[19:55] <lordievader> Ah, never mind. pdebuild creates the .dsc file which can be used by pbuilder.
[20:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you know http://paste.ubuntu.com/12194876/ won't work right?
[20:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/3/debian-qt-kde.mk is exclusively for Qt5 builds
[20:42] <mparillo> On testing the Wily Beta 1, after a couple of re-boots, I get : Configuration file "//.config/kwalletd5rc" not writable, and on this machine, there is no sudo kate in the bash history. Any ideas?
[20:44] <yofel> where does it say that?
[20:46] <valorie> mparillo: you can always do what I did yesterday: chown -R user:user ~/
[20:46] <valorie> I found two files with the wrong ownership
[20:46] <mparillo> It is a window that pops up as I am booting.
[20:47] <mparillo> I understand if I sudo with a graphical program I mess with permissions, but I wonder if there is something else, since that was not the case on the latest instance.
[20:47] <valorie> seems like folks in #kubuntu are having permissions problems more often
[20:48] <valorie> not sure why
[20:48] <mparillo> I never have had them before (except for sudo kate ....), but I just got it on the Wily Beta ISO today.
[20:48] <valorie> I've had them in my ~/Music in the past, from a CD
[20:49] <valorie> somehow the "write-only" stayed in teh file
[20:49] <valorie> but running chown without sudo is not dangerous
[20:49] <yofel> TBH, that error sounds like something's missing inside, like it's actually looking for $HOME/.config/kwalletd5rc, but $HOME is / for some reason
[20:49] <valorie> and if it finds nothing, then you know that's not the problem
[20:50] <yofel> or /$some_path/.config and the var is empty
[20:50] <mparillo> when I cd .config, I see kwalletrc in there, but not kwalletd5rc
[20:52] <yofel> same here..
[20:52] <yofel> but I didn't log out since I upgraded yet
[20:53] <soee> i'm on daiy updates and have no errors
[20:54] <yofel> do you have the file?
[20:55] <valorie> I have only kwalletrc on Vivid
[20:55] <mparillo> I have not noticed the error on daily updates, but only on a fresh install of the Wily ISO. I cannot find ~/.config/kwalletd5rc
[20:56] <valorie> same on the vivid box
[21:06] <soee> what file ?
[21:06] <valorie> oops, I mean the wily box
[21:07] <valorie> no kwalletd5rc to be found
[21:08] <mparillo> Agreed, I cannot find kwalletd5rc in .config, so I am using dolphin to search for it from / (it is taking a LONG time). 
[21:09] <mparillo> But based on what I see in iso.qa.ubuntu.com, I am the only one testing the Beta 1 ISO.
[21:21] <ahoneybun> Beta 1?
[21:22] <ahoneybun> yofel: kdenlive seems to have a hard dep
[21:22] <yofel> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/345/builds
[21:22] <ahoneybun> well I could remove it but
[21:22] <ahoneybun> it would remove a feature
[21:22] <ahoneybun> libmlt
[21:23] <ahoneybun> I forgot about the beta
[21:23] <ahoneybun> Plasma 5.4- "This is the first time I have looked at KDE without wanting to throw up a bit"
[21:24] <ahoneybun> my friend a GNOME user
[21:24] <yofel> you can't remove a required package...
[21:24] <yofel> and MLT is kdenlive's interface to ffmpeg, so you would have a video editor that can't do video editing
[21:25] <yofel> IIRC at least
[21:25] <ahoneybun> well then
[21:25] <yofel> you can ofc. try to backport MLT
[21:25] <ahoneybun> libmlt 0.9.2
[21:25] <ahoneybun> yofel: ofc Riddell said it would be very hard
[21:25] <ahoneybun> for a codecs
[21:26] <yofel> hm, mlt doesn't ship codecs though I think
[21:26] <ahoneybun> idk I'll look
[21:27] <ahoneybun> 0.9.2 is in vivid
[21:27] <ahoneybun> but kdenlive needs 0.9.4
[21:27] <ahoneybun> so not big bump
[21:27] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ^
[21:27] <yofel> right, that might be possible
[21:27] <yofel> lets see..
[21:27] <ahoneybun> I just need access to the ec2 again
[21:28] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+build/7411916
[21:28] <yofel> why can't you build it locally?
[21:28] <ahoneybun> :)
[21:28] <ahoneybun> umm idk
[21:28] <ahoneybun> I like a working machine?
[21:28] <ahoneybun> it is backported
[21:29] <yofel> well there you go, sitter++
[21:29] <clivejo> cant you package the latest libmlt for vivid?
[21:29] <ahoneybun> clivejo: it is done
[21:29] <yofel> what does running pbuilder have to do with a working machine?
[21:29] <ahoneybun> its in the backport ppa
[21:29] <ahoneybun> yofel: I don't want to mess my machine up
[21:29] <ahoneybun> I'm bad like that
[21:30] <clivejo> thats why you use pbuilder, its an machine inside a machine
[21:30] <yofel> well, that's what chroots are for theoretically, and the only thing pbuilder really writes to is /var/cache/pbuilder/
[21:30] <yofel> well, pbuilder-dist also in your home folder, but that's configurable
[21:30] <clivejo> ahoneybun: plus you have a nice fast SSD 
[21:30]  * ahoneybun trys
[21:31] <clivejo> and if you have multi cores you can put them to good use too
[21:31] <ahoneybun> yofel: what was that command to grab from a dsc?
[21:31] <clivejo> heat your room for you
[21:31] <yofel> dget -xu <url>
[21:31] <ahoneybun> I have 4 cores, 8 threads
[21:31] <ahoneybun> thanks
[21:32] <clivejo> pass -j8 to debuild and it will be lots faster :)
[21:32] <ScottK> Keep in mind that the u option in dget bypasess the signature validation.
[21:32] <yofel> worst case, work in /tmp. You'll loose what's in there after a reboot, but that might be what you want
[21:35] <ahoneybun> where the heck is the source
[21:35] <ahoneybun> .tar files
[21:37] <yofel> they should be downloaded into the current directory
[21:38] <ahoneybun> no not taht
[21:38] <ahoneybun> http://download.kde.org/stable/applications/15.08.0/src/
[21:38] <yofel> yes?
[21:39] <yofel> source of what?
[21:40] <clivejo> life :)
[21:40] <ahoneybun> just wanted that handy
[21:40] <ahoneybun> :)
[21:40] <ahoneybun> 42 = life
[21:40] <ahoneybun> KDE
[21:40] <ahoneybun> = Life
[21:40]  * ahoneybun should have bought more energy drinks
[21:41] <clivejo> going for an all nighter?
[21:41] <ahoneybun> not too bad hopefully
[21:41] <ahoneybun> first 2 days of work are over 
[21:41] <ahoneybun> tomorrow is wednesday
[21:41] <ahoneybun> so half way to weekend lol
[21:41]  * ahoneybun tries pbuilder
[21:42] <ahoneybun> I need to test Beta 1 as well
[21:44] <clivejo> one thing at a time ;)
[21:44] <ahoneybun> yea I have the machine I can test with
[21:45] <ahoneybun> I've been thinking of donating it to a local tech space
[21:45] <ahoneybun> how does one add a ppa to a pbuilder?
[21:45] <ahoneybun> and LP would need the ppa too
[21:46] <clivejo> you need to log into it
[21:46] <clivejo> https://dot.kde.org/2015/08/25/kde-ships-plasma-540-feature-release-august
[21:46] <clivejo> is the source out for this yet?
[21:46] <clivejo> ahoneybun: pbuilder-dist wily login --save-after-login
[21:47] <yofel> has been on depot for the last couple days
[21:47] <ahoneybun> clivejo: https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.3.2-5.4.0-changelog.php
[21:47] <clivejo> replace wily with the distro 
[21:47] <ahoneybun> see someones name :)
[21:47] <ahoneybun> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=breeze.git&a=commit&h=3ebb6ed33fb6522b0f5ca855a9fbd2b79c165e65
[21:48] <yofel> is there a screenshot of that anywhere?
[21:48] <ahoneybun> of?
[21:48] <clivejo> who on earth is Aaron Honeycutt?
[21:48] <yofel> the theme
[21:48] <yofel> I can't quite read config files like the matrix yet :P
[21:48] <ahoneybun> its a bit weird in dolphin like breeze dark
[21:49] <ahoneybun> no pics
[21:49] <ahoneybun> yofel: ^
[21:49] <yofel> ok, guess I'll try it when we get it
[21:49] <clivejo> never heard of him *whistles*
[21:50] <ahoneybun> we have it
[21:50] <ahoneybun> yofel: ^
[21:50] <ahoneybun> of your on wily anyway
[21:50] <yofel> oh right, it's late...
[21:50] <yofel> lets see
[21:51] <ahoneybun> clivejo: 
[21:51] <clivejo> yofel: we havent a staging PPA for plasma ?  - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/
[21:51] <ahoneybun> root@KubuntuPad-Y510P:/# add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[21:51] <ahoneybun> -bash: add-apt-repository: command not found
[21:51] <clivejo> you are too high up!
[21:52] <ahoneybun> well thats what your command did
[21:52] <yofel> ahoneybun: that's from software-properties-common
[21:52] <clivejo> go back to basics
[21:52] <ahoneybun> what!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:52] <clivejo> edit your sources
[21:52] <clivejo> or install software-properties-common
[21:52] <ahoneybun> -bash: nano: command not found
[21:52] <ahoneybun> XD
[21:52] <yofel> vi might be there :P
[21:52] <clivejo> LOL its a basic system
[21:53] <clivejo> think small!
[21:53] <ahoneybun> XD
[21:54] <ahoneybun> W: GPG error
[21:54] <ahoneybun> no public key found
[21:54] <yofel> just put this in your ~/.pbuilderrc -> ALLOWUNTRUSTED=yes
[21:54] <yofel> although, that disables any kind of key verification, so be careful if you still trust anything that comes out of the chroot
[21:55] <yofel> alternatively, there are apt-key commands that you can run to add the key
[21:55] <ahoneybun> the .pbuilderrc is out of the chroot right?
[21:55] <yofel> it's in ~
[21:56] <yofel> ah yeah, outside
[21:56] <ahoneybun> do you have the key?
[21:57] <ahoneybun> I have no file .pbuilderrc
[21:57] <yofel> create one then
[21:57] <yofel> or just add the key
[21:57] <clivejo> apt-get install software-properties-common
[21:57] <yofel> apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com KEYHASH
[21:57] <yofel> where KEYHASH is at the end of your error
[21:58] <ahoneybun> I'll just add the key
[21:58] <clivejo> might be easier to let add-apt-repository do it for you!
[21:58] <ahoneybun> it did not work!
[22:01] <clivejo> did you try a apt-get update first
[22:01] <ahoneybun> hold up
[22:03] <ahoneybun> looks fine
[22:03] <ahoneybun> s
[22:03] <yofel> well, in theory you use pbuilder to make sure that you have all build-deps listed and it builds in a clean chroot. The more you install, the less useful it gets for that purpose
[22:03] <ahoneybun> I've installed nothing but the ppa
[22:04] <yofel> good
[22:04] <ahoneybun> E: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed.
[22:05] <ahoneybun> damn
[22:05] <ahoneybun> Depends: libmlt++-dev (>= 0.9.4) but it is not going to be installed.
[22:05] <ahoneybun> weird
[22:06] <clivejo> ahoneybun: you know you have to come out of the chroot by using ctrl-d to get back to your regular session
[22:06] <yofel> did you edit it with --save-after-login ?
[22:06] <ahoneybun> yea
[22:06] <ahoneybun> but I just typed exit
[22:06] <yofel> did it say that it recreated the tarball?
[22:06] <ahoneybun> not sure
[22:06] <yofel> did the last command you ran before you exited throw an error?
[22:06] <clivejo> I think exit doesnt save the changes
[22:07] <clivejo> you need to use control-d to save 
[22:07] <yofel> that shouldn't make a difference I think
[22:07] <ahoneybun> let me check
[22:07] <yofel> but as far as I remember it doesn't save if $? is != 0
[22:08] <clivejo> but try it yofel's way with the .pbuilderrc file
[22:08] <ahoneybun> nope
[22:08] <yofel> clivejo: that only helps with the ky
[22:08] <yofel> *key
[22:08] <ahoneybun> still looking at 0.9.4
[22:08] <ahoneybun> opps
[22:08] <ahoneybun> 0.9.2
[22:08] <ahoneybun> no ppa
[22:08] <yofel> then edit again, and run 'true' before you exit
[22:09] <clivejo> yofel: cant he use OTHERMIRROR="deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/......" ?
[22:09] <clivejo> in his .pbuilderrc ?
[22:09] <yofel> maybe... but I think that's only for creating?
[22:09] <clivejo> oh
[22:09] <yofel> or well, there was --override-config or something like that
[22:10] <yofel> I never use that so I'm not sure how it works exactly
[22:11] <ahoneybun> yofel: just true?
[22:11] <yofel> yes
[22:11] <ahoneybun> ctrl + d
[22:11] <ahoneybun> ?
[22:11] <yofel> yes
[22:11] <ahoneybun> I: creating base tarball [/home/ahoneycutt/pbuilder/vivid-base.tgz]
[22:11] <yofel> perfect
[22:12] <ahoneybun> looks like it is working now
[22:12] <yofel> FYI, all 'true' does is return 0 to the shell, so it's handy if you *need* $? to be 0
[22:12] <ahoneybun> pulling in things now
[22:13]  * ahoneybun is confused with that
[22:13] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: awake?
[22:15] <ahoneybun> clivejo: does the -j# work for pbuilder?
[22:15] <ahoneybun> I've used it with builder android before
[22:15] <clivejo> should do
[22:16] <ahoneybun> I'll do  that next time loll
[22:17] <clivejo> first time it takes ages
[22:17] <clivejo> but it caches the packages and next time its a lot faster
[22:17] <ahoneybun> the problem with using my system is my ssd is a bit small
[22:18] <ahoneybun> 240GB
[22:18] <ahoneybun> its building
[22:19] <ahoneybun> I'm removing some android stuff
[22:19] <clivejo> cheap skate
[22:19] <ahoneybun> LOTS of source for devices I don't have lol
[22:19] <ahoneybun> clivejo: ;P
[22:19] <ahoneybun> 80bucs
[22:19] <ahoneybun> *bucks
[22:20] <clivejo> should have got a nice new 4Tb one
[22:21] <ahoneybun> SSD?
[22:21]  * yofel wants one of those *drool*
[22:21] <ahoneybun> 38%
[22:21] <clivejo> yeah
[22:22] <ahoneybun> clivejo: your crazy
[22:22] <ahoneybun> thats like thousands
[22:22] <ahoneybun> of dollars
[22:22]  * clivejo nods
[22:22] <ahoneybun> no matter what country your in lol
[22:23] <clivejo> (1.4GB/second read, 1GB/second write)
[22:23] <yofel> hm, anandtech says $2200 for a 3.84T Samsung PM863
[22:25] <clivejo>  PCIe connected for speeeeeeeedddd
[22:25] <yofel> if you want speed you'll want some experimental PCM anyway XD
[22:25] <yofel> or 3D XPoint
[22:25] <yofel> curious what'll come out of that
[22:25] <clivejo> could probably use it as RAM
[22:32] <ahoneybun> 72%
[22:45] <clivejo> ahoneybun: done yet?
[22:45] <ahoneybun> I did but I got no deb files
[22:45] <ahoneybun> I think it finished but no errors
[22:46] <clivejo> yeah, pbuilder is really just for testing
[22:46] <ahoneybun> I gave it to LP for now
[22:46] <clivejo> have to tell it to keep the files
[22:46] <ahoneybun> see what happend
[22:46] <ahoneybun> *happens
[22:46] <yofel> it should still save the output somewhere
[22:46] <yofel> ah, that might be it
[22:48] <clivejo> when is Randa?
[22:48] <ahoneybun> Rejected:
[22:48] <ahoneybun> Unable to find kdenlive_15.08.0.orig.tar.xz in upload or distribution.
[22:48] <ahoneybun> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[22:49] <clivejo> did you do a debuild -S
[22:49] <clivejo> you only upload source
[22:49] <ahoneybun> yea
[22:49] <ahoneybun> the source.changes
[22:49] <yofel> -sa was missing
[22:49] <ahoneybun> ?
[22:49] <yofel> debuild -S -sa
[22:50] <ahoneybun> sa? 
[22:50] <ahoneybun> sign?
[22:50] <ahoneybun> but I did sign it
[22:50] <yofel> -S is automatic, for the first changelog entry of a new upstream version it defaults to -sa (include source), for every later entry it defaults to -sd (diff only)
[22:50] <yofel> you uploaded only the diff to a release that doesn't know the upstream source yet
[22:51] <yofel> -> error
[22:51] <ahoneybun> weird
[22:51] <ahoneybun> and hard to understand
[22:52] <yofel> not really, it depends which side of the '-' of the version changes. 1.0-1 -> 1.1-1 => include source (new upstream release), 1.0-1 -> 1.0-2 => diff only (upstream source didn't change)
[22:52] <ahoneybun> I see
[22:52] <yofel> you can also say -sa and -sd to override the autodetection, which is what you need here
[22:53] <ahoneybun> so it did not take the source package before
[22:53] <ahoneybun> it took it that time
[22:53] <yofel> s/source package/upstream tarball
[22:54] <yofel> (the .orig)
[22:54] <ahoneybun>   * Backport to vivid
[22:54] <ahoneybun>   * Needs libmlt 0.9.4 which is in the backport ppa
[22:54] <ahoneybun> that is my changelog
[22:54] <ahoneybun> opps
[22:54] <ahoneybun> LP is missing that package 
[22:55] <ahoneybun> forgot about that
[22:55] <ahoneybun> ohhh
[22:55] <ahoneybun> yofel: you were talking about that before
[22:55] <ahoneybun> ppa deps
[22:56] <yofel> go to your ppa main page, top right has an "Edit dependencies" link, click on that, add ppa you need in the field
[22:57] <ahoneybun> I remember that
[22:57] <ahoneybun> NOW lol
[22:57] <yofel> XD
[22:58] <ahoneybun> video games where design to kill time between compiling
[22:58] <ahoneybun> lol
[22:58] <ahoneybun> *were
[23:00] <ahoneybun> and it's building :)
[23:02] <clivejo> happy days
[23:02] <shadeslayer> "video games where design to kill time between compiling" < reason #56 to use a interpreted language
[23:03] <yofel> true, lets rewrite everything in javascript
[23:03] <clivejo> yofel: are you going to Randa?
[23:04] <yofel> no
[23:05] <shadeslayer> yofel: whoa 
[23:06] <shadeslayer> I thought most of the stuff in Plasma 5 *was* JS 
[23:06] <shadeslayer> or a close approximation of it
[23:06] <yofel> hm, good point
[23:06] <shadeslayer> ;)
[23:06]  * shadeslayer is all out of Whisky
[23:07] <ahoneybun> well amd64 built \o/
[23:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: coming to ubucon.de?
[23:07] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer going to ubuntu events!
[23:07] <yofel> very big maybe
[23:07] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: :P
[23:07] <ahoneybun> everything built clivejo yofel :)
[23:08] <clivejo> congrats
[23:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: I might be coming
[23:08] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: I'm not saying don't go of course
[23:08] <ahoneybun> Ubuntu is a wonderful community
[23:08] <ahoneybun> thanks clivejo
[23:08] <clivejo> now you need testers to test it :)
[23:08] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: I don't think I've ever said it wasn't
[23:08] <clivejo> make sure what you compiled actually does something useful!
[23:08] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: true
[23:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: annoying this is that I'm in Berlin right now, but probably not anymore at the end of october -.-
[23:09] <shadeslayer> xD
[23:09] <ahoneybun> clivejo: I'll have ovidiu-florin test it XD
[23:09] <clivejo> you moving yofel?
[23:09] <yofel> well, I'm only here for a work project, which probably won't last that long
[23:11]  * ahoneybun wants to spend sometime in europe
[23:15] <ahoneybun> bbiab
[23:16] <shadeslayer> booking tickets to Europe? :P
[23:17] <yofel> XD
[23:20] <shadeslayer> okay, I'm off to sleep
[23:20] <shadeslayer> nini
[23:20] <yofel> gn
[23:25] <ahoneybun> back
[23:36]  * ahoneybun makes blog post
[23:40]  * ahoneybun puts out blog post
[23:40] <clivejo> what about?
[23:41] <ahoneybun> packaging
[23:41] <ahoneybun> well
[23:41] <ahoneybun> contributions
[23:41]  * ahoneybun also highlighted some people in here
[23:41] <ahoneybun> clivejo: http://usefoss.com/index.php/2015/08/25/my-contributions-to-kde-and-kubuntu-since-akademy/