[17:25] <qwebirc66393> im planning on installing a  virtual machine  for mythbuntu  on  my hackingtosh  machine. is this recomended?  additionally can you please advice on what TV Tuner Card  is recommended.  I live in North America
[17:28] <Shadow__X> qwebirc66393: you may have io issues because running a full os ontop of another full os etc
[17:28] <Shadow__X> afaik you can do pci passthrough when running os x so you would need a network tunner
[17:28] <Shadow__X> you c an try it
[17:29] <Shadow__X> try running mythbuntu as a vm that is
[17:33] <tgm4883> qwebirc66393: I've got my backend in a VM, writing to a NAS for storage. My network card is an HDHomerun Prime
[17:33] <Shadow__X> qwebirc66393: it might be more trouble than its worth in that type of setup, but you could try it
[17:33] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: is the vm running on a spinner?
[17:33] <Shadow__X> and what is your base os?
[17:34] <Shadow__X> because doing running it as a vm on top os os x, is different than esxi,hyperv,proxmox,xen,etc
[17:34] <tgm4883> Shadow__X: Ubuntu
[17:34] <tgm4883> Running on libvirt, backend I believe is KVM
[17:34] <tgm4883> Shadow__X: spinner?
[17:34] <Shadow__X> disk vs ssd
[17:34] <Shadow__X> and is it a server or your desktop
[17:35] <tgm4883> ah
[17:35] <Shadow__X> ah ok yeah, libvirt uses kvm (among other things)
[17:35] <tgm4883> The OS is on an SSD
[17:35] <Shadow__X> there are webui's available btw
[17:35] <tgm4883> It's a desktop machine that is sitting in my closet
[17:36] <tgm4883> a Q6600 with 8GB RAM
[17:36] <tgm4883> Shadow__X: I've got on my TODO list to see about moving it to LXC
[17:36] <Shadow__X> i don't know much about lxc, i know proxmox 4 will use it so ill learn when they switch over
[17:37] <Shadow__X> q6600 is getting up there in age
[17:37] <Shadow__X> my mythtv backend is running an e8400 but that is way too slow at this point
[17:37] <Shadow__X> so when i bring it back online ill upgrade it to something more modern
[17:37] <tgm4883> lxc is pretty nice
[17:38] <tgm4883> A Q6600 is getting up there, but it's powerful enough for what I want to do, which is recording multiple shows and commflagging
[17:38] <Shadow__X> ah yeah, my biggest isse was transcoding
[17:38] <tgm4883> On that box it runs 1 VM, which is my mythtv backend, and 4 LXC containers, which run puppet, check_mk, gitlab, and minecraft
[17:39] <Shadow__X> gotcha
[17:40] <Shadow__X> i need to learn about the management stuff like puppet
[17:40] <tgm4883> You could run the backend on less hardware and farm out the more CPU intensive jobs
[17:40] <tgm4883> I ran my backend on a raspbery pi 2 for awhile and farmed out the comflagging to my desktop
[17:41] <Shadow__X> hmm
[17:41] <Shadow__X> i didn't think about that
[17:41] <Shadow__X> i think the machine will wind up running something like proxmox, with pfsense,mythtv fe/be and possibly a windows vm
[17:41] <tgm4883> the pi 2 as a backend works well enough. There's some addditional tweaking that I didn't do
[17:41] <Shadow__X> gpu passthrough to tv
[17:41] <qwebirc66393> thanks for the quicknes guys.  isee that some of you  think is more  trouble than is worth. and i dont want to do more than what  i need
[17:42] <Shadow__X> qwebirc66393: its more about realizing what you are doing and have realistic expectations
[17:42] <Shadow__X> if your desktop is down, no mythtv, etc
[17:42] <tgm4883> yep
[17:42] <Shadow__X> and your easiest bet is to use network tuners
[17:43] <tgm4883> Yes
[17:43] <tgm4883> it helps that the best tuners IMO are network tuners
[17:44] <qwebirc66393> im planning on using a  old mac pro 2008 2.8GHz Quad Core XEON as  freenas server. can i use this as my backend?
[17:45] <Shadow__X> qwebirc66393:its more about how you plan to set it up
[17:45] <Shadow__X> does freenas do containers?
[17:45] <qwebirc66393> i know that this is two thing that im trying to do i just want to know whats the best way to go about it?
[17:46] <Shadow__X> ONE way to achieve that is with a setup that supports vt-d
[17:46] <qwebirc66393> i was planning on just using  frenass as the main OS ands tipping out the MAC OS
[17:46] <Shadow__X> with ecc ram* for zfs
[17:46] <qwebirc66393>  ram 8 gig
[17:47] <Shadow__X> so you could run something like esxi,proxmox,whatever, setup a freenas vm with vt-d, pass through some contrllers to it, use that as your nas, then setup the mythbuntu vm
[17:47] <Shadow__X> but if freenas supports containers, you could just install freenas and setup mythbuntu as a container
[17:47] <Shadow__X> or you might have to do a freenas mythtv setup
[17:47] <tgm4883> well theres an issue there
[17:47] <tgm4883> freenas isn't linux, so your containers wouldn't be linux either
[17:48] <tgm4883> you'd have to run it as a VM on top of freenas, if freenas supports that
[17:49] <qwebirc66393> i think i should have two boxes  for this and stop trying to consolidate all this in one box
[17:49] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: i wasn't sure if that was the limitation or not
[17:50] <Shadow__X> qwebirc66393: one of the options i mentioned is running it all in one box though
[17:50] <Shadow__X> its just finding the right hardware/software to support that
[17:50] <qwebirc66393> i knoe but it sound kinda messy
[17:50] <Shadow__X> it all depends on what you want to do and how comfortable you are with it
[17:51] <Shadow__X> i am running pci passthrough with an hba on my server
[17:51] <Shadow__X> and tested out passthrough for a gpu