[06:21] <Padroni> Good morning
[06:31] <Padroni> hi
[06:37] <Squirm> Morning
[06:59] <barrydk> Good mornings
[08:45] <Kilos> morning all you za peeps
[09:00] <MaNI> everyone asleep today :P
[09:01]  * TinuvaMac ZzZzZzzzzzz...
[09:05] <MaNI> they all went into a coma after seeing the exchange rate
[09:14] <Squirm> Heh
[09:14] <Squirm> How is everyone?
[09:21] <Kilos> lol
[09:47] <Squirm> I don't know how that is Kilos?
[09:48] <Kilos> oh sorry Squirm its was meant for the other two
[09:48] <Kilos> im ok ty and you lad
[09:49] <Kilos> peeps gotta realise that channels are only quiet because everyone is saying nothing
[10:24] <pieter2627>  
[10:25]  * pieter2627 also saying nothing :p
[11:57]  * inetpro joins in to say nothing as well
[11:57] <inetpro>  
[12:47] <Kilos> lol
[12:47] <Kilos> noisy bunch
[12:48] <pieter2627> shh oom, it's an unofficial prayer hours :p
[12:49] <Kilos> hehe
[12:50] <pieter2627> was gister ook stil sonder oom - dalk vyf sinne
[12:51] <Kilos> ai!
[12:51] <Kilos> julle moet dinge aan die roer hou man
[12:51] <Kilos> al is dit net om mekaar te groet
[12:52] <Kilos> hierdie is ons buntu familie
[12:52] <Kilos> en familie groet mekaar
[12:52] <pieter2627> die sinne was om mekaar te groet
[12:52] <Kilos> lol
[13:04] <Kilos> igo sllep awhile
[13:04] <Kilos> sleep
[13:28] <superfly> moo
[13:42]  * Squirm prods superfly
[13:43] <superfly> ohi Squirm
[13:43] <Squirm> Hey
[13:50] <superfly> sitting at the Google Developer Summit
[13:55] <Squirm> Nice
[13:55] <superfly> it's pretty much done now, going home
[16:06] <kulelu88> yo
[18:04] <superfly> sup
[18:07] <Kilos> hi superfly and everyone else
[18:07] <superfly> Hi Kilos
[18:08] <superfly> I don't know where everyone else is, it looks like it's just you and me, Kilos
[18:08] <Kilos> hehewe are early
[18:08] <Kilos> pieter2627 is chairing
[18:09] <Kilos> hi qwebirc36238 
[18:09] <pieter2627> hope you're early, else i'm late
[18:09] <Kilos> meeting starts at 8.30pm
[18:10] <kulelu88> im here
[18:10] <Kilos> pieter2627 has you got permissions for Maaz 
[18:10] <Kilos> hi kulelu88 
[18:10] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn hows you and family lad
[18:11] <pieter2627> Kilos: yes
[18:11] <Kilos> ood
[18:11] <Kilos> good too
[18:11] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos , all  - family all back in foreign land and cooking in the summer heat thanks, all well in ZA I hope?
[18:12] <inetpro> good evening
[18:12] <Kilos> so far yes ty nlsthzn 
[18:12] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:17] <nlsthzn> so meeting in a few minutes yes?
[18:20] <inetpro> nlsthzn: yep, and that with new chairman and all
[18:23] <Kilos> hi unlaudable welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:23] <nlsthzn> cool
[18:25] <qwebirc36238> I bet I'm the only one here from Port Elizabeth
[18:25] <qwebirc36238> \nick
[18:26] <unlaudable> Kilos, thanks \o
[18:26] <Kilos> haha hi brad
[18:27] <unlaudable> Miles?
[18:27] <Kilos> yessir
[18:27] <kulelu88> PE has internet? *mind blown*
[18:27] <Kilos> lol
[18:27]  * superfly will be back in a minute or 3
[18:27] <unlaudable> kulelu88, they even have an *airport*
[18:27] <superfly> kulelu88: Axxess is from PE
[18:28] <Kilos> ok superfly 
[18:29] <unlaudable> aalston, lo buddy
[18:29] <kulelu88> superfly: their service has been so shitty lately that they themselves admitted it through email "has our service been bad for you?"
[18:30] <pieter2627> seems that we should start?
[18:30] <gwood> my University is having really internet, some line break
[18:30] <inetpro> good idea
[18:31] <pieter2627> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Monthly Meeting - Aug 2015
[18:31]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:31] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:31] <Maaz> inetpro: Alrighty
[18:31] <kulelu88> gwood: which varsity?
[18:31] <gwood> NMMU
[18:31] <kulelu88> schweet
[18:31] <pieter2627> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[18:31] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:31] <gwood> Maaz: I am Grant Woodford
[18:31] <Maaz> gwood: Sure
[18:31] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:31] <Maaz> superfly: Sure
[18:31] <pieter2627> Good evening everyone, welcome and thanks for attending the meeting
[18:32] <kulelu88> Maaz: I am kulelu88 
[18:32] <Maaz> kulelu88: Okay
[18:32] <pieter2627> Please introduce yourselves to maaz for the minutes using `Maaz: I am <firstname lastname>` eg.
[18:32] <clr_> Maaz: I am Charl le Roux
[18:32] <Maaz> clr_: Okay
[18:32] <pieter2627> Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht
[18:32] <Maaz> pieter2627: Righto
[18:32] <pieter2627> the agenda for today is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150825
[18:33] <unlaudable> Maaz: I am Bradley Cloete
[18:33] <Maaz> unlaudable: Okay
[18:33] <pieter2627> and last minute topic suggestions is welcomed if anyone has any
[18:33]  * nlsthzn would love to stay but bed calls... gnight
[18:34] <Kilos> Maaz I am Miles Sharpe
[18:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[18:34] <unlaudable> topic: how on earth does safair's website not cope even when using cloudflare :-)
[18:35] <inetpro> haha
[18:35] <pieter2627> Kilos: anyone still seem missing?
[18:35] <Kilos> welcome to our new chairman
[18:35] <Kilos> octoquad ping
[18:35] <pieter2627> Maaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:35] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting
[18:35] <Kilos> many missing
[18:36] <inetpro> oh yes, thanks pieter2627 for taking the hot seat this evening
[18:36] <pieter2627> while we wait for others the previous meeting's minutes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150728
[18:36] <magespawn> good evening
[18:36] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:37] <Kilos> magespawn meeting hey so login please
[18:37] <octoquad> Kilos, hello.
[18:37] <octoquad> Hello all
[18:38] <Kilos> yoohoo octoquad wb you attending the meeting sir?
[18:38] <octoquad> sure, forgot there was one tonight, thanks for pinging me
[18:38] <octoquad> Maaz: I am Bruce Pieterse
[18:38] <Maaz> octoquad: Sure
[18:39] <Kilos> Squirm nuvolari MaNI you guys are welcome to attend
[18:40] <Kilos> and ambo bmg505 cyrilb danfowler and whoever ive missed
[18:40] <pieter2627> everyone ok with the minutes from last meeting?
[18:41] <Kilos> Private_User are you attending??
[18:41] <superfly> Looks OK to me, I don't think I was here.
[18:42] <pieter2627> not that i can remember superfly 
[18:42] <magespawn> good evening (again)
[18:42] <pieter2627> right, moving on then
[18:43] <pieter2627> Maaz: topic Plans for 2015
[18:43] <Maaz> Current Topic: Plans for 2015
[18:43] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[18:43] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[18:43] <Maaz> magespawn: Sure
[18:43] <kulelu88> ping gremble
[18:43] <Kilos> he is offline here
[18:44] <pieter2627> i guess it is the usual for plans...
[18:44] <pieter2627> a question, 'Get more people to join [link to site]' - is that correct
[18:45] <gwood> Are there any plans/events close to PE?
[18:45] <pieter2627> it link to ubuntu za site..
[18:45] <Kilos> inetpro ^#
[18:45] <Kilos> 3
[18:45] <inetpro> pieter2627: you have a better suggestion?
[18:46] <inetpro> if people don't know about ubuntu-za where would they start?
[18:46] <Kilos> ai! i cant get use to this lappy b/board
[18:46] <pieter2627> no, just wondering how one joins a website
[18:46] <inetpro> fair point
[18:46] <Kilos> there are join buttons arent there
[18:46] <Kilos> to join us not the sight
[18:46]  * pieter2627 checking
[18:47] <unlaudable> anyone here use meetup.com?
[18:47] <inetpro> it says right there, "Please join us in using, working on, and helping others with Ubuntu."
[18:47] <kulelu88> me unlaudable 
[18:47] <Kilos> there is an irc direc link to here ans the ML should be there too
[18:47] <unlaudable> it seems to be the popular way to organise an event these days, might work for this to
[18:47] <octoquad> unlaudable, me
[18:48] <pieter2627> inetpro: ok
[18:48] <kulelu88> unlaudable: there is already LUGs on meetup, so linux-related stuff happens
[18:49] <inetpro> unlaudable: we are not organised enough? :-)
[18:49] <pieter2627> anyone signed or planning on signing COC, membership, got LP IDs?
[18:50]  * unlaudable cant remember if he's signed...
[18:50] <unlaudable> have a launchpad id... 
[18:50] <Kilos> hehe what a job
[18:50] <pieter2627> sorry meaning for last/this month
[18:50] <Kilos> anyone that has probs ping pro
[18:51] <unlaudable> I was just mentioning meetup as a way to enable people to "join"
[18:51] <unlaudable> convenience...
[18:51] <inetpro> for inspiration see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos
[18:51] <Kilos> ai!
[18:51] <magespawn> some people also like to have other people to talk to
[18:51] <octoquad> unlaudable, you mean alternative platforms to connect right?
[18:52] <unlaudable> well meetup wont do that, I was just thinking as a way to add to a calendar of sorts and be reminded
[18:52] <Kilos> inetpro we can add our meets to the fridge
[18:52]  * inetpro has never used meetup
[18:53] <pieter2627> seems that it can also inform unaware users of us
[18:53] <Kilos> we=you of course
[18:53] <Kilos> the peeps that savvy thunderbird can get reminders
[18:53] <unlaudable> there are a ton of communities on there jozilug, ansible puppet
[18:53] <Kilos> then
[18:53] <kulelu88> I suggest you guys connect with JLUG to attract users here. they already have the target-market
[18:53]  * unlaudable has a dream that there would be an event one day that will join them all :-)
[18:54] <magespawn> sorry unlaudable i thought you meant meetups as in launch parties etc
[18:54] <gwood> I think it makes sense to plan an event, but give notice through multiple avenues, such as meetup, facebooks, email, etc.
[18:54] <unlaudable> one event to rule them all
[18:54] <pieter2627> Maaz: idea add meeting to the fridge
[18:54] <Maaz> Idea recorded: add meeting to the fridge
[18:54] <pieter2627> Maaz: idea add meeting to meetup.com
[18:54] <Maaz> Idea recorded: add meeting to meetup.com
[18:54] <kulelu88> unlaudable: you cannot have 1 event where linux, BSD, Java and Haskell guys all get along. 
[18:55] <Kilos> and google calender pieter2627 
[18:55] <superfly> HAHAHAHA
[18:55] <unlaudable> heheh perhaps...
[18:55] <pieter2627> Kilos: are we not there already
[18:55] <pieter2627> and how?
[18:55] <Kilos> i have no idea pieter2627 thats pros department
[18:55] <unlaudable> but there is some synergy somewhere, the devops/ansible meetup guys had Jez Humble out for one meeting :-)
[18:55] <Kilos> he did all mine
[18:56] <Kilos> he also does G+ reminders
[18:56] <kulelu88> unlaudable: join "Developer User Group", its close enough I think
[18:56] <gwood> I regularly have fights with a Julia guy at varsity, I'm mainly a Java guy
[18:56] <pieter2627> Maaz: idea add meeting to a public google calendar
[18:56] <Maaz> Idea recorded: add meeting to a public google calendar
[18:56] <pieter2627> ok, any else for plan anyone?
[18:56] <kulelu88> gwood: no person at varsity should be calling themselves a Java guy in 2015 :O
[18:56] <pieter2627> s/any/anything/
[18:57] <superfly> pieter2627: let's move on.
[18:57] <pieter2627> Maaz: topic Events
[18:57] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:57] <gwood> kulelu88: I do when 80% of my project is Java
[18:57] <superfly> we've already been here half an hour and we haven't even got past the first half of the agenda
[18:58] <Kilos> lol
[18:58] <inetpro> ai!
[18:58] <superfly> (seriously, every meeting we have those items on the agenda, and every meeting the outcome is the same: nothing)
[18:58] <pieter2627> superfly: can you tell us of the google summit today - quickly
[18:58] <superfly> pieter2627: Yes
[18:58] <unlaudable> is there a person appointed to broadcast meetings and such?
[18:59] <Kilos> unlaudable the pro
[18:59] <kulelu88> superfly: the only way things can get done in this country is complaining about government over a braai and doing the work on the side
[18:59] <unlaudable> 'k
[18:59] <superfly> The local Google crew came to introduce us to some of the newer stuff Google has been working on. I was on the "web" track, where we learnt about some new browser standards that Google has been pushing: ServiceWorkers and Push Notifications
[19:00] <pieter2627> superfly: interesting
[19:00] <superfly> We had a competition to see who could finish both codelab projects first, and I'm sad to say it wasn't me, but it WAS a guy running Ubuntu
[19:00] <inetpro> unlaudable: I've been a bit slack lately, sorry
[19:00] <pieter2627> lol
[19:00] <unlaudable> that sounds awesome
[19:01] <magespawn> it is now official, cape town has some cool stuff
[19:01] <kulelu88> sounds cool 
[19:01] <unlaudable> inetpro, dont beat yourself up :-)
[19:01] <pieter2627> also remember SFD is 19 sept
[19:01] <superfly> Not much more I can say, but if you want to know about ServiceWorkers and Push Notifications, I am happy to chat afterwards
[19:01] <gwood> cape town has some amazing tech meetings
[19:01] <inetpro> unlaudable: I don't :-)
[19:01]  * pieter2627 is kind of sad that it was only in CPT
[19:02] <superfly> pieter2627: not only in Cape Town, also in Nigeria and Nairobi, Kenya
[19:02] <inetpro> superfly: sounds interesting
[19:02] <pieter2627> anything else happened this month or happening in the one to ome?
[19:02] <Kilos> hi kapanda 
[19:02] <superfly> I have some feedback on SFD
[19:02] <kapanda> hi kilos
[19:02] <kulelu88> reminder that PyConZA is happening in October in Johannesburg/Wits
[19:03] <unlaudable> I only learned today about this... agile africa http://agileafrica.jcse.org.za/
[19:03] <Kilos> you want to join our meeting kapanda ?
[19:03] <Kilos> just type in Maaz  I am name surname
[19:03] <kapanda> yes please 
[19:03] <unlaudable> I'm keen to got pycon, not really a programmer though :-)
[19:04] <superfly> I spoke with Karl Fischer (kmf) earlier. He says that they have a few speakers lined up... But he would like some Ubuntu people involved for perhaps a talk or something. And they need more sponsorship.
[19:04] <inetpro> we have very little time left until the SFD event
[19:04] <superfly> This is SFD
[19:04] <inetpro> yep kmf is seriously looking for Speakers, Volunteers and donors for the SFD event
[19:04]  * pieter2627 might be able to attend - can help volunteer then
[19:05] <kulelu88> SFD needs to advertise better. tweeting out requests wont help
[19:05] <superfly> kulelu88: it's a bit of a grass roots thing, so it needs the community to help out
[19:05] <pieter2627> kulelu88: is that more of our jobs (personally have not done anything)
[19:06] <kulelu88> superfly: suggest they make a meetup group and I'll assist through that
[19:07] <pieter2627> any news on the installFest from CPT inetpro?
[19:07] <inetpro> pieter2627: no news unfortunately
[19:07] <Kilos> hi clr_ 
[19:08] <Kilos> wanna login with Maaz please
[19:08] <pieter2627> ouch, moving on then?
[19:08] <inetpro> oh, kmf saying the venue for SFD has been paid for 
[19:08] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 wb
[19:08] <Vince-0> hi
[19:08] <inetpro> obviously donors would be welcome to help ease the bill
[19:09] <clr_> I have before
[19:09] <Kilos> oh my did i miss it
[19:09] <Kilos> sorry
[19:09] <pieter2627> clr_: kilos means signin for the meeting
[19:09] <Kilos> yes ty
[19:09] <kapanda> what kind of talks are you looking for at the SFD
[19:10] <clr_> hehe pieter2627 , I have before, was just logged out there for a mo
[19:10] <pieter2627> `Maaz: I am <first lastname>
[19:10] <octoquad> pieter2627, he has at 20:32:09
[19:10] <Kilos> ai! us blind peeps
[19:10] <kulelu88> kapanda: anything open-source friendly and relevant should do
[19:10] <pieter2627> haha, thanks octoquad 
[19:10] <octoquad> pieter2627, np
[19:11] <pieter2627> ok moving on
[19:11] <kulelu88> but talks at the intermediate level would be better
[19:11] <pieter2627> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[19:11] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[19:12] <pieter2627> might have been to fast there, anyway Kilos any news on getting involved with lugs, etc?
[19:13] <Kilos> kulelu88 got some of the jozilug guys here but they only stayed one day or less
[19:13] <inetpro> anyone who wants to talk in more detail about SFD please talk to us here after the meeting or post an email to the mailing list 
[19:13] <Kilos> kulelu88 can you remind them again please
[19:13] <pieter2627> kulelu88: any feedback
[19:14] <pieter2627> ... that you might have gotten
[19:14] <kapanda> I am a member of the jozilug
[19:14] <Kilos> pieter2627 i greeted them and welcome them but maybe they were expecting more action here
[19:14] <Kilos> oh yes thats right sorry kapanda 
[19:15] <Kilos> there was someone else with you as well that day
[19:15] <pieter2627> for ubuntu-in-the-wild, my list is at 4 items - have to confirm(get) two after tomorrows meeting
[19:15] <kulelu88> kapanda is heavily involved with the LUG, please arrange for LUG members to troll #ubuntu-za @ kapanda 
[19:16] <pieter2627> superfly: you mentioned that nikola can create a photo gallery
[19:16] <Kilos> hehe
[19:16] <superfly> yes
[19:16] <superfly> pieter2627: it's pretty easy. you just drop photos into the one folder and Nikola does it for you
[19:16] <gwood> What is this talk about ubuntu-in-the-wild?
[19:17] <inetpro> gwood: Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150728
[19:17] <pieter2627> superfly: is captions possible?
[19:17] <superfly> pieter2627: I'm not sure
[19:17] <kapanda> most lug members like there own flavor of linux, so its hard to get them to support Ubuntu. 
[19:18] <pieter2627> gwood: to add a section to the za site which is to show that ubuntu is more popular than one might think
[19:18] <kapanda> I use Ubuntu for the Tech Hub am running 
[19:18] <pieter2627> that is how i remember it at least
[19:18] <Kilos> kapanda we all need to pull together to promote all of linux
[19:18] <Kilos> OS is a personal thing
[19:18] <gwood> pieter2627: thanks
[19:19] <superfly> pieter2627: https://getnikola.com/handbook.html#images-and-galleries
[19:20] <pieter2627> superfly: that index.txt file seems to be it for captions
[19:20] <superfly> pieter2627: no, it's for general text on the page
[19:21] <superfly> above the images
[19:21] <gwood> Very fringe, but Ubuntu is the only officially supported OS for some robotics frameworks I've been looking into: http://www.ros.org/ 
[19:21] <kapanda> Am all in for Linux
[19:21] <pieter2627> superfly: oh, from the demo it seems that a caption is created from the filename
[19:22] <unlaudable> nikola is a static site generator?
[19:22] <Kilos> yes
[19:22] <unlaudable> you seen hugo?
[19:23] <pieter2627> kapanda: as i understand it, we want to be more involved to better help new users
[19:23] <gwood> for python, looks quite interesting
[19:23] <Kilos> our site and the africa sites run nikola
[19:23] <unlaudable> static site generator written in go looks pretty good...
[19:23] <pieter2627> Kilos: am i correct?
[19:23] <unlaudable> Kilos, ah cool
[19:23] <Kilos> correct pieter2627 we welcome any linux users
[19:24] <inetpro> kapanda: we don't mind if people divert to other distros 
[19:24] <inetpro> important is that we catch those who experience Linux for the first time using Ubuntu and make it a smooth experience as far as possible
[19:24] <pieter2627> anything else for misc?
[19:25] <pieter2627> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:25] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:25] <kapanda> Sure, I also introduce people to Ubuntu first then show them other distros
[19:25] <Kilos> we have yum peeps here too hehe
[19:26] <Kilos> Maaz pieter2627 ++
[19:26]  * Kilos votes for pieter2627
[19:26]  * inetpro votes +1 for pieter2627
[19:26]  * pieter2627 would like to sit out the next one
[19:26] <Kilos> oh my
[19:26] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:26] <Kilos> you did well pieter2627 
[19:27] <pieter2627> just to check others again -can backup
[19:27] <Kilos> hard work chairing
[19:27] <kulelu88> I vote Kilos 
[19:27]  * pieter2627 rofl
[19:28] <Kilos> lol kulelu88 you tried that before
[19:28] <inetpro> anyone else want to volunteer before we vote pieter2627 again?
[19:28] <pieter2627> giving 30 sec
[19:28] <inetpro> pieter2627: you can do it again man
[19:28] <Kilos> pieter2627 you in the groove, it gets easier
[19:28] <Kilos> first one is the big one
[19:28] <pieter2627> Maaz: agreed pieter2627 to chair next meeting
[19:28] <Maaz> Agreed: pieter2627 to chair next meeting
[19:29] <inetpro> nice!
[19:29] <Kilos> imo you did well
[19:29] <inetpro> thanks pieter2627
[19:29] <pieter2627> Maaz: topic Next meeting
[19:29] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next meeting
[19:29] <pieter2627> next meeting is at 22 Sept hope you all can join again
[19:29] <pieter2627> that date is right inetpro?
[19:30] <Kilos> im going in tha day for an op
[19:30] <inetpro> pieter2627: looks correct
[19:30] <inetpro> every 4th Tuesday of the month
[19:30] <Kilos> so you guys have to be greeter bots too
[19:30] <pieter2627> Maaz: agreed next meeting on Tuesday, 22 September 2015 @ 20:30
[19:30] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting on Tuesday, 22 September 2015 @ 20:30
[19:30] <pieter2627> thats a wrap thanks for attending everyone
[19:31] <inetpro> good timing!
[19:31] <pieter2627> Maaz: end meeting
[19:31] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:31] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-08-25-18-31-10.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-08-25-18-31-10.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-08-25-18-31-10.html
[19:31] <Kilos> pieter2627 thanks alot for chairing toning and for standing in for next month as well
[19:31] <Kilos> tonight
[19:31] <pieter2627> Kilos: np
[19:31] <Kilos> its nice to know we have another backup chair
[19:32] <Kilos> now i need to sleep guys, ty everyone for attending
[19:32] <pieter2627> Kilos: what op you in for if you  don't mind me asking?
[19:33] <Kilos> hernia pieter2627 
[19:33] <Kilos> looks a smallish job from wha the docs say
[19:33] <pieter2627> dan vloek die oom my ook nog :p
[19:33] <Kilos> what
[19:33] <Kilos> skuus man
[19:33] <Kilos> hehe
[19:33] <Kilos> breek
[19:33] <pieter2627> oh
[19:33] <inetpro> breuk
[19:34] <Kilos> daai ding ook ja dankie inetpro 
[19:34] <Kilos> the meds im on atm make me sleepy most of the day
[19:34] <Kilos> sorry guys
[19:35] <Kilos> rebore resleave and new pistons and rings and ill be like new
[19:35] <inetpro> pieter2627: I guess we can do a better job in advertising our next meeting again
[19:36]  * inetpro only registered the g+ event yesterday
[19:36] <pieter2627> inetpro: i'm gonna see to create a public google calendar tomorrow
[19:37] <inetpro> pieter2627: we actually did have one
[19:37]  * inetpro looking to find it
[19:37] <pieter2627> inetpro: do we have a g+?
[19:38] <inetpro> https://plus.google.com/+Ubuntu-zaOrg
[19:39] <inetpro> pieter2627: and facebook at http://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntuza/
[19:40] <pieter2627> inetpro: i don't 'do' facebook, asked because i think g+ can create calendar event auto for events
[19:43] <inetpro> I have not seen a repeat option for g+ events 
[19:44] <pieter2627> but it does create a calendar event? (that we can hopefully make public)
[19:46] <inetpro> sad thing is you have to register it each time
[19:47] <inetpro> not that it is difficult
[19:47] <pieter2627> ok, will have to chat tomorrow - getting tired
[19:47] <inetpro> maybe a hosted iCal file would be the bestoption
[19:47] <inetpro> best option*
[19:48] <inetpro> something that can be integrated across all platforms
[19:48] <inetpro> and not dependant on google
[19:48] <pieter2627> the ubuntu-za g+... oh never mind
[19:49] <pieter2627> anyway  night all
[19:49] <inetpro> good noght... and thanks again
[19:49] <Squirm> Good eve
[19:49] <inetpro> hi Squirm
[20:00] <magespawn> inetpro i am pretty sure google calender can repeat events
[20:00] <magespawn> that is hw come i still get the old meeting updates
[20:00] <magespawn> s/hw/how
[20:00] <inetpro> magespawn: yes it can
[20:01] <inetpro> magespawn: but on g+ the option is not there when registering an event
[20:01] <magespawn> that is odd
[20:04] <magespawn> funny that they should have that funtionality only in one product
[20:04] <inetpro> true
[20:05] <inetpro> I haven't played enough with it but I'm sure with Thunderbird and the lightning extension you can easily create an iCal file that you can then publish on a website
[20:05] <inetpro> many other tools probably exist for this purpose
[20:06] <inetpro> then all we need to do is to point people to this URL which anyone can then link to their own calendar of choice
[20:08] <inetpro> that would be the right thing to do
[20:09] <magespawn> just found this https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/37115?hl=en
[20:10] <inetpro> that is if you use Google Calendar
[20:11] <magespawn> sorry wrong tab https://support.google.com/plus/answer/2673334?hl=en
[20:11] <magespawn> still does not show how to make them repeat though
[20:12] <inetpro> not everybody knows how to or even prefers to use the same calendar that everyone else is using
[20:13] <magespawn> indeed
[20:13] <inetpro> to be honest, proper standards on calendaring is a mess
[20:13] <magespawn> i have not ever really looked for anything else, other than google calender
[20:13] <magespawn> don't really use it that much
[20:14] <Squirm> safair is screwed
[20:14] <inetpro> when I started with computing in 1990 calendaring was a mess and after all this time it still is a mess
[20:15] <Squirm> Their domain isn't even pointing to their website anymore
[20:15] <inetpro> Squirm: what happened?
[20:15] <Squirm> They release 30'000 R1 flights today......
[20:15] <kulelu88> is safair getting hit with an attack?
[20:15] <Squirm> They're sold 15'000 the whole day
[20:16] <Squirm> s/They're/They've
[20:16] <inetpro> eish!
[20:16] <Squirm> kulelu88: they're being hit by people
[20:16] <Squirm> Their website was crashing every 2 minutes.
[20:16] <Squirm> As of a few minutes ago, it's not even redirecting to their home page
[20:16] <kulelu88> what a way to loadtest a site and screw a company over with R1 flights
[20:17] <Squirm> Seems Cloudfront was crashing too
[20:17] <inetpro> surely they can't call it a server crash?
[20:17] <inetpro> or did it really crash?
[20:17] <Squirm> Well. I was being thrown an Nginx crash with a hostname of cloudfront
[20:17] <Squirm> Have a look at their website?
[20:17] <magespawn>  it is up for me
[20:18] <Squirm> I see a hetzner KonsoleH login
[20:18] <kulelu88> if an average flight to durban costs R400, at a cost of R200 per person, R199 x 15 000 = 3 million rand loss
[20:18] <magespawn> but there is an article on ewn about it crashing
[20:18] <Squirm> magespawn: I know
[20:18] <Squirm> I've been trying to book a flight to Durbs since 2pm
[20:18] <magespawn> what url are you using Squirm ?
[20:18] <inetpro> is it not just a DDoS rather than a crash?
[20:18] <Squirm> https://www.flysafair.co.za/
[20:18] <Squirm> inetpro: it's being accessed by a LOT of people
[20:18] <magespawn> try https://www.safair.co.za
[20:19] <inetpro> Squirm: obviously
[20:19] <kulelu88> you can silently DDoS them and book 100 tickets for yourself 
[20:19] <Squirm> magespawn: Same thing
[20:19] <Squirm> kulelu88: I think it's about R300 airport tax
[20:19]  * inetpro is being directed to a KONSOLE screen
[20:19] <Squirm> So they're making a loss of R300pp
[20:19] <Squirm> inetpro: same here
[20:20] <Squirm> kulelu88: R300pp and they've put up 30'000 seats
[20:20] <Squirm> R3'000'000 loss?
[20:20] <magespawn> well safair.co.za is up for me but flysafair.co.za gets a broken page or some mail login page
[20:20] <kulelu88> 9 million if all 30 000 seats are allocated
[20:21] <magespawn> do they include or exclude airport tax?
[20:21] <Squirm> magespawn: safair.co.za is also getting the KonsoleH login
[20:21] <Squirm> it's R1 a flight
[20:21] <Squirm> Incl. Airport tax
[20:21] <gwood> why not book through some other site?
[20:21] <Squirm> The only thing you have to pay for, is baggage in the hold.(You can take 7kg into the plane with you)
[20:21] <Squirm> gwood: Tried. Only available on their website
[20:22] <kulelu88> what kind of idiot would pass over their banking/credit-card details on a site that keeps crashing? thats like wearing a hugo boss suit to a mudslinging event
[20:22] <Squirm> and kulelu88. Last time I checked, they've sold about 15'500 tickets
[20:23] <magespawn> i wonder what the story is
[20:23] <Squirm> Not prepared for the mass of usage
[20:23] <kulelu88> pre-shutdown sale? magespawn 
[20:24] <inetpro> ai!
[20:24] <Squirm> heh
[20:24] <Squirm> They're only just starting to get going
[20:24] <Squirm> First Cpt to Durban flights are end of October
[20:24] <Squirm> They're slightly cheaper than Mango(But have fewer flights a day)
[20:25] <inetpro> https://twitter.com/FlySafair 12 492 R1 tickets still left to go!  38m ago
[20:25] <kulelu88> what about all those other airlines? purple velvet? kulula? SAA?
[20:25] <Squirm> kulelu88: Mango and safair are the cheapest
[20:26] <magespawn> kulelu88: looks like they have been in business for about 50 years
[20:28] <magespawn> just had a look through the careers section of their website, nothing for IT, they must outsource that
[20:30] <kulelu88> mehh, south africans do love bargains 
[20:31] <gwood> I would just go with mango or kulula, too much trouble and stress trying to use a broken site
[20:31] <Squirm> magespawn: Seems their domain is hosted with Hetzner and their CDN is Cloudlare
[20:32] <kulelu88> Squirm: i recall someone here saying that cloudflares nearest CDN for africa is london
[20:32] <gwood> Squirm: have you tried their call center
[20:32] <kulelu88> gwood: or showing up for your December holiday and R1 ticket only be to told "airline no longer exists"
[20:32] <Squirm> gwood: Nope
[20:33] <magespawn> hmm, if you try to get there via ip you get redirected to a cloudflare waring page
[20:33] <Squirm> Still
[20:33] <Squirm> It's R1
[20:33] <Squirm> R1 is worth the risk to me
[20:33] <magespawn> s/waring/warning
[20:33] <Squirm> It's a R700 Mango flight(Which I usually do), or an attempt at R1
[20:34] <Squirm> I fly once a month to Durban
[20:34] <Squirm> This would allow me to fly twice in one month
[20:34] <gwood> you need a backup plan if they are out of business by then
[20:35] <Squirm> I'll just stay at home
[20:35] <Squirm> As I would have :P
[20:35] <kulelu88> if thats the case, why not just go up and down durbs to jhb just to troll them? 
[20:35] <Squirm> kulelu88: I'd love to
[20:35] <Squirm> Would have flown every weekend
[20:35] <Squirm> If I could book but one ticket...
[20:36] <kulelu88> book for me too Squirm 
[20:36] <magespawn> is this for advance bookings or only for a specific period
[20:36] <Squirm> Now until the end of March
[20:36] <kulelu88> and 1 ticket for Kilos to go see the beach again
[20:36] <magespawn> hell book us a plane we will all come
[20:36] <kulelu88> and for us to see Kilos in a speedo
[20:36] <Squirm> Well. Book before 12 tonight, for a flight up until the end of March
[20:36] <magespawn> Squirm: next year, wow
[20:37] <magespawn> ahh right
[20:37] <magespawn> so book one flight a weekend every weekend between now and march
[20:37] <kulelu88> wait a second, hwo do you process a transaction for R1? 
[20:37] <Squirm> magespawn: I would love to
[20:38] <Squirm> kulelu88: same way you would process any transaction
[20:38] <Squirm> Their site is back up
[20:50] <Squirm> They've extended the sale until mid day tomorrow
[20:50] <kulelu88> Squirm: chill till 4am and then book
[20:50] <Squirm> kulelu88: busy setting my alarm for 3
[20:50] <magespawn> shall we see if we can crash it again?
[20:51] <magespawn> it might just be up because most people have given up and gone to bed
[20:51] <Squirm> Probably
[20:51] <Squirm> I still think it's worth the R1 :D
[20:52] <magespawn> it would be interesting to see the logstalgia of that server
[20:53] <magespawn> one hell of a way to advertise your business
[20:54] <Squirm> Yeah
[20:57] <inetpro> one hell of a way to stresstest a website
[20:57] <Squirm> Our website uses about 15mb per apache process
[20:57] <Squirm> If they have 64Gb RAM, that's over 4000 users
[20:57] <Squirm> well
[20:57] <Squirm> Apache processes
[20:57] <Squirm> which could very well be users
[20:58] <Squirm> and they're using nginx
[20:58] <Squirm> That's a lot of users....
[20:59] <magespawn> isn't nginx more efficient than apache
[20:59] <magespawn> ?
[21:00] <inetpro> the load difference between apache and nginx is quite significant
[21:00] <inetpro> apache is very heavy on resources
[21:00] <Squirm> Indeed
[21:00] <Squirm> That's why I said it
[21:01] <Squirm> So... They either have a little box(which doing something like is isn't a good idea), or, there are more than 4'000 users hitting the site
[21:01] <Squirm> A lot more
[21:02] <inetpro> Squirm: and you are talking about users per second?
[21:02] <magespawn> how much would nginx use per visitor?
[21:03] <Squirm> inetpro: Well. Once the site has loaded, nginx won't be doing much anymore until the user selects another link
[21:04] <superfly> Apache and nginx are made for two different things
[21:04]  * Squirm shrugs
[21:05] <Squirm> magespawn: not sure
[21:05] <magespawn> i thought nginx was used for the web access on things like router etc
[21:06]  * inetpro calling it a day
[21:06] <inetpro> good night
[21:06] <magespawn> good night inetpro 
[21:07] <Squirm> I'm also off
[21:08] <MaNL> judging by the amount of talking above and elsewhere the R1 idea was genius marketing
[21:08] <MaNL> nobody was talking about them now everyone is
[21:08] <MaNL> no su ch thing as bad press.
[21:08] <MaNL> *shrugs*
[21:08] <Squirm> MaNL: Indeed
[21:09] <Squirm> Well, there is. But excellant marketing
[21:09] <Squirm> lol
[21:09] <Squirm> Gnight all
[21:09] <MaNL> I've already flown them a few times personally and their flights had empty seats
[21:10] <MaNL> they will be filling those empty seats mostly, no loss
[21:10] <superfly> MaNI: How's your solar project going?
[21:11] <MaNI> heh, I got a bit sidetracked by some life events
[21:11] <MaNI> but recently finished the frame, should be up and running by month end (hopefully)
[21:11] <MaNI> I need to have it up before koeberg maintenance and next round of load shedding :p
[21:12] <superfly> I'd love to do that, but until I actually own my own house, no point.
[21:16] <magespawn> MaNI: any pictures or diagrammes?
[21:16] <MaNI> heh, yeah might not impress your landlord
[21:16] <MaNI> I'll do a blog writeup with pictures when its operational
[21:17] <kulelu88> at this rate, probably better to buy a house outside of africa
[21:17] <MaNI> got various pictures but haven't had time to go through them, last month been crazy for me
[21:17] <magespawn> cool bean MaNI, no rush
[21:18] <MaNI> fiance had her transplant that we have been waiting a long time for, good way to fall behind on work :p
[21:21] <kulelu88> superfly: how do lambdas work?
[21:22] <magespawn> MaNI: congratulations
[21:22] <superfly> kulelu88: it's like declaring a function in one line... myfunc = lambda arg1: arg1 + 1
[21:22] <superfly> kulelu88: it has an implicit return
[21:23] <superfly> print myfunc(1)
[21:23] <superfly> 2
[21:23] <MaNI> thanks
[21:24] <superfly> MaNI: glad she got the transplant, I've heard that the queues are of epic proportions
[21:24] <kulelu88> superfly: is this the same lambdas that are spoken about concerning language design?
[21:24] <superfly> kulelu88: I'm guessing so
[21:26] <kulelu88> I'm using lambdas like this: .apply(lambda x: x[x.str.contains('Some text')].count())
[21:26] <MaNI> yeah they queues can be pretty long, though it depends on lots of factors as it isn't really 'first in first out', in her case ~2 years which is relatively quick (though doesn't feel like it if you are the one waiting)
[21:26] <kulelu88> MaNI: organ?
[21:26] <MaNI> kidney + pancreas
[21:27] <kulelu88> 2 years is short definitely
[21:27] <magespawn> wow hectic stuff MaNI 
[21:28] <kulelu88> as long as shes healing now MaNI +1
[21:28] <magespawn> just hit refreash on the flysafair.co.za and got it with a cloudfare please be patient we re checking your browser page
[21:28] <magespawn> only 10602 tickets left now
[21:28] <MaNI> yeah, she is doing fantastic - already back in CT (op in JHB) and its only a month later
[21:29] <MaNI> really amazing the difference this stuff makes
[21:29] <magespawn> cool beans
[21:29] <kulelu88> magespawn: are you hitting F5 1000 times per minute?
[21:29] <MaNI> competition is probably all asleep now
[21:29] <magespawn> nope, that would be impressive, might break the F5 button
[21:30] <magespawn> refresh
[21:30] <magespawn> spelling and typing out the windows tonight
[21:34] <magespawn> on that note, good night all