[03:57] <OvenWerks> This is old, but part of where I want to go: http://gareus.org/blog/jack2dbus
[03:58] <OvenWerks> Jack runs all the time, if the script finds a USB port it prefers that and switches jackdbus to that on the fly, otherwise it uses the internal audio IF.
[04:00] <OvenWerks> I would like to go one step further. Any device not being used by jack gets connected via zita-ajbridge.
[04:02] <OvenWerks> The controller would set zita-ajbridge's client name to some inteligent interface name.
[04:03] <OvenWerks> maybe just the name returned by arecord/play -l
[04:03] <zequence> Let's make it happen, using -controls to configure it
[04:04] <OvenWerks> for all those people plug in a USB mic and expect to monitor with internal speakers
[04:04] <zequence> Another thing I've been thinking about is handling jack crashes
[04:05] <OvenWerks> ??? you have jack crashes?
[04:05] <zequence> There needs to be a restart/kill button somewhere
[04:05] <zequence> Sure
[04:06] <OvenWerks> could be respawnable. (by an external task)
[04:06] <zequence> If jack crashes, the user shouldn't need to reboot in order to fix it (not everyone knows of killall -9 jackdbus)
[04:06] <OvenWerks> right, very few do.
[04:07] <sinewav> I just learned about it a few seconds ago! \o/
[04:07] <zequence> jack-rack is already taken out, btw
[04:07] <zequence> We can have it back if we upload it, but none of us has the right, I think
[04:08] <sinewav> There is a good ongoing discussion about jack-rack on the Linux-audio list.
[04:08] <OvenWerks> I will play a bit with guitarix to see if it _can_ be used to replace it.
[04:08] <OvenWerks> sinewav: LAU?
[04:08] <zequence> sinewav: Yes, I saw that. Ralf started that after he read about it being dropped in Debian/Ubuntu
[04:08] <sinewav> yeah
[04:09] <OvenWerks> It needs someone to take over maintaining it.
[04:09] <zequence> I already decided it would be worth maintaining it, at least for the next cycle, as it seems to function ok, but I don't have upload rights for it
[04:09] <zequence> ubuntustudio-dev would be maintainers
[04:09] <OvenWerks> Personally, I would still want GCDMaster first.
[04:10] <zequence> Does it work?
[04:10] <OvenWerks> with the right libs...
[04:10] <sinewav> It seems the consensus is, it will eventually breaks, but it is small and unobtrusive, so it wouldn't to keep it around a little longer.
[04:10] <zequence> Ok, so it's just a matter of packaging then?
[04:10] <sinewav> wouldn't hurt*
[04:10] <sinewav> Can't type tonight....
[04:11] <sinewav> I still find myself using it about once a year, but yeah, all of Linux Audio should move into the modern age.
[04:14] <zequence> OvenWerks: If you can make it installable and runnable, we can just get it in Debian again, with some help
[04:15] <OvenWerks> gcdmaster? that is gtk2 libs, it would mean bringing a lot of stuff in
[04:16] <OvenWerks> I am not quite up to the task of upgrading GUI libs yet.
[04:16] <zequence> I'm sure that we have other stuff that uses gtk2?
[04:16] <OvenWerks> I think it is all gtk3 anymore
[04:16] <zequence> If you need to change code, that will be another issue all together, and we will also need to become code maintainers, not just packagers
[04:17] <OvenWerks> Ya, like I say, I am not there yet.
[04:17] <OvenWerks> I am not sure what is happening with qmidiroute either.
[04:18] <OvenWerks> No one seems willing to merge my one line fix in ubuntu.
[04:18] <OvenWerks> The maintainer seems to only do fixes once a year.
[04:19] <zequence> Hmm, how do I download the package source for something that doesn't exist anymore?
[04:21] <OvenWerks> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/trusty/jack-rack
[04:21] <zequence> Ah, yes. Thanks
[04:21] <OvenWerks> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/vivid/jack-rack is newer but may be the same
[04:21] <zequence> I'm building with bzr-buildpackage now, which created the orig
[04:22] <zequence> The package was not there when I did pull-lp-source
[04:22] <zequence> Well, it got built. I'm going to see what happens when I try to upload it soon
[04:24] <zequence> It was in the bzr branch lp:ubuntu/jack-rack, though
[04:24] <zequence> That is where I got it
[04:25] <OvenWerks> It would be nice to back port the version of jackd2 in utopic to trusty.
[04:25] <OvenWerks> It fixes a bug where when started by a jack application it should stop when the application stops
[04:26] <OvenWerks> instead of keeping running after.
[04:26] <zequence> Ok, that sounds like a SRU fix even
[04:27] <zequence> In that case, we need a patch for only that function
[04:27] <zequence> Usually the one git commit, or something similar
[04:28] <OvenWerks> Nope, I'm wrong it is the vivid version we need.
[04:29] <OvenWerks> People check the version number to see if it is the right one. fixing the one thing still won't give the right version.
[04:35] <zequence> Well, that's not how SRUs work
[04:35] <OvenWerks> https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2/commit/dd97d191240de8d09e709f6b1a8c4fafdac0a030 maybe this one?
[04:35] <zequence> When we do a fix like that, we should announce it, like I did for PA and jackd a while back
[04:36] <zequence> Do you have time to test it?
[04:36] <zequence> Otherwise, I can do it later today
[04:39] <OvenWerks> It would have to be later, I have kids to get in bed ... should have a while ago.
[04:41] <zequence> Would be good to have some sort of routine for checking our core stuff for bug updates, so that we get them as early as possible
[04:43] <micahg> BTW, I think you were looking for this before: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/wily/ubuntustudio
[04:43] <OvenWerks> I wish I could say that was the only one in jack, but there are a lot of commits from 130622 to 140610
[04:44] <zequence> I'm pretty much working with studio all day now, so I do actually have time
[04:45] <zequence> micahg: Right, Ross was looking for a way to see all the studio packages
[04:46] <micahg> there's a python script in ubuntu-archive-tools that can query packagesets, edit-acl
[04:46] <micahg> or you can use the webpage
[04:47] <zequence> I'm preparing some tools for creating a html page of possible backports, but I ended up creating a new sort of apt search tool for just getting packages and versions for any debian distro
[04:47] <zequence> I need it for other stuff too
[04:47] <zequence> Ah, I'll check it out
[05:01] <zequence> micahg: Any chance you could help out with uploading jack-rack for us?
[05:02] <zequence> Bug 1487137
[05:02] <micahg> right now, no, but tomorrow evening, sure, just subscribe me
[05:03] <zequence> micahg: Ok, thanks
[05:05] <micahg> who should the maintainer be, the ubuntustudio dev list
[05:07] <micahg> I went ahead and assigned it to me
[05:37] <zequence> micahg: Yep, the team.
[05:47] <micahg> zequence: BTW, I'd suggest trying to get in touch with the original maintainer in #debian-multimedia on OFTC and see if there's some reason why it might not be maintainable and/or if they'd be willing to have it in Debian if you're committing to help with it
[06:08] <zequence> micahg: I will
[06:09] <zequence> I mean, that's a good idea, and I will
[07:31] <zequence> Actually, there's not much to say other than jack-rack is dead upstream, and that any bugs had no fixers.
[07:31] <zequence> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=740123
[07:31] <zequence> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734020
[07:32] <zequence> We'll keep it for another cycle, and if nothing has happened about maintaining it properly until then (someone might get interested in working the code upstream, or forking it), we should probably remove it for the next LTS
[09:56] <cub> I noticed contact@ubuntustudio.org are listed in some places. Is that address reaching someone?
[09:57] <zequence> cub: It is redirected to me
[09:57] <zequence> Mostly spam, but I get the occasional email from a real person. Mostly people looking for support, and I just redirect them to other places.
[09:58] <zequence> I think we should remove it when I stop being lead. If the new lead wants it, we can create a new address
[09:58] <zequence> The email is now html encoded, but I have no idea how that spamming works. Maybe it's too late for that now
[09:59] <zequence> Maybe a new address would produce less spam
[09:59] <zequence> I can get 100 spam mail per day
[09:59] <zequence> It is almost always filtered out into the spam folder by my email service, but still...
[10:00] <zequence> The email address on the site is html encoded, is what I meant
[10:22] <cub> Good, I was just checking so it didn't just go nowhere and frustrated people. :)
[10:24] <cub> Is there a guide on how to log on to the web site to do corrections or posts?
[10:31] <cub> Never mind, got it. 
[10:32] <cub> Hmm I don't have any rights though.
[10:33] <zequence> cub: YOu have to login with the pr and support team membership
[10:33] <cub> aha
[10:33] <zequence> The ~ubuntustudio team has a subscriber role only
[10:34] <cub> yes, now it looks more familiar
[10:35] <zequence> cub: Ah, right. I also made you member of the website team
[10:35] <zequence> That will have even more rights
[10:36] <cub> yes, you put me on the web site team to upload the changes in colours for the WP theme
[10:36] <zequence> Right. It also allows you to change settings for the website
[10:38] <cub> "Discourage search engines from indexing this site" is checked. Is that imperative from Ubuntu?
[10:38] <zequence> No, I don't think so
[10:38] <zequence> That sounds like a bad idea for a setting
[10:39] <cub> Yeah I only do that for development sites, then change it when we go live
[10:40] <cub> I'm changing that. *fingers crossed*
[10:40]  * zequence watches out the window looking for explosions
[10:42] <cub> I immediatly got an email from David Pires......but it was unrelated. ;)
[16:56] <cub> When I installed US 15.10 it changed the names and order of my grub menu, which is a bit annoying. Anyone know of a good simple way to re-arrange the order again without heavy scirpting or using grub-configurator from a PPA?
[16:56] <cub> As I suppose this will happen every time I do a new installation for test
[16:56] <holstein> !grub
[16:56] <holstein> i always just refer to that ^ and do things manually if needed
[16:57] <holstein> personally, it depends on the machine..but, the laptop i haul around, i just set it to wait, and not automatically do anything.. since, i reboot so seldom..
[16:57] <holstein> the studio rig, i get a little more forceful about.. but, i still set it to let me manually choose.. with no countdown
[16:58] <cub> I choose manually as well, but the latest installed OS always get on top
[16:58] <holstein> well, you likely are having that new install install grub
[16:59] <holstein> you can have it *not* install grub, and just run "sudo update-grub" on the other install.. likely
[16:59] <holstein> i have had issues both ways, so, i just deal with it as it comes
[16:59] <cub> yeah I was reading through this one now https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/CustomMenus
[17:01] <cub> ran sudo update-grub on my Debian now and hope it will put itself first in line. At least it renamed all the entries better than US 15.10 did
[17:01] <cub> holstein, did you get anywhere with the G+ name?
[17:09] <holstein> cub: im right where i was
[17:10] <holstein> cub: i dont have permission to add a plugin to add code into the header.. not that we know if that would allow us to have the name
[17:10] <holstein> but, something like UbuntuStudioOrg would do, as well..
[17:18] <cub> gotta work for a few hours. See ya!
[17:48] <zequence> Each new install does a fresh install of GRUB, so if it's not a UEFI system, just don't install the GRUB bootloader.
[17:48] <zequence> To refresh the GRUB menu, instead boot into the installation that also installed GRUB, and in a terminal do: sudo update-grub
[17:50] <zequence> To rearrange GRUB, I have used ppa:danielrichter2007/grub-customizer
[17:50] <zequence> Or, rearrange the GRUB menu, that is. It can do other GRUB settings as well
[21:07] <OvenWerks> zequence: I didn't know you could not install GRUB, I just always install it somewhere I won't use. But yes go back to the partition that installed it and update.