[01:09] <micahg> ochosi: ok, I'll focus on xubuntu-core first
[02:33] <Trial> Quick question... Hopefully
[02:35] <Trial> When I wake my computer I can see what I was doing last then it goes to login in screen. Is this an Ubuntu thing or related to Xubuntu layer?
[02:36] <holstein> what are you expecting to see?
[02:36] <Trial> Immediate login screen
[02:36] <holstein> you mean, you see the desktop, as it was when you locked it? and you think you should just immediately see the lockscreen? and not the desktop?
[02:36] <Trial> Yep, I see the desktop and any windows I had open
[02:37] <Trial> After 10-15 secs it goes to login screen
[02:37] <holstein> i dont think its every happened for me that slowly.. but, i have found GPU drivers can effect that..
[02:38] <Trial> Okay, cool I will check into that. I am currently running Xubuntu on a HP Stream 11. So, not a lot of support but working on it.
[02:39] <Trial> I was working on a confidential document, and was startled what I seen when I opened it back up. I am going to have be more cautious I guess.
[02:40] <holstein> not if its just always you that sees it when its opened ;)
[02:41] <Trial> Well, true. It rarely leaves home, but in the event I do take in public... I don't know. Was just curious :D
[02:44] <Trial> So, this a Xubuntu thing. I am not sure how much xubuntu is different from Ubuntu. Is it built on barebones?
[02:46] <holstein> well, xubuntu is ubuntu.. with xfce as the desktop environment, instead of unity
[02:46] <holstein> there are lots of different parts, and lots of exactly the same parts
[02:58] <Trial> Ah, okay. Sorry for the delay.
[08:24] <flexiondotorg> bluesabre, You are participating in 15.10 beta 1 correct?
[08:24] <flexiondotorg> I'm helping with the release again and just confirming which flavours are taking part.
[08:31] <flexiondotorg> ochosi, ^^^^^^^^
[08:59] <flexiondotorg> knome, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[09:54] <bluesabre> flexiondotorg: correct
[09:55] <flexiondotorg> Thanks.
[09:59] <slickymasterWork> flexiondotorg, is there any prevision for when the url for B1 will land at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ ?
[09:59] <slickymasterWork> for both 64 and 32 bit
[09:59] <flexiondotorg> slickymaster, Can you come and ask that in #ubuntu-release please?
[10:00] <slickymasterWork> sure
[10:05] <flexiondotorg> slickymaster, Thanks.
[10:22] <flexiondotorg> slickymaster, bluesabre Can someone update the wiki please? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Beta1
[10:24] <slickymasterWork> on it, flexiondotorg 
[10:26] <slickymasterWork> damn wiki
[10:30] <flexiondotorg> slickymasterWork, Thanks :-)
[10:42] <slickymasterWork> pleia2, knome, can you please mediatize https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010867.html
[10:47] <slickymasterWork> ochosi, bluesabre, I don't think we've set yet a B1 release page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Beta1/Xubuntu)
[10:47] <slickymasterWork> knome ^^^
[10:48] <bluesabre> slickymasterWork: if the others don't get to it before me, I can take a look this evening (or add to it as needed)
[10:48] <slickymasterWork> great. thanks bluesabre :)
[10:56] <ochosi> hey folks
[10:56] <ochosi> sorry, i won't be able to take a look before tomorrow the earliest
[10:57] <ochosi> just returned from moving to a new flat and am... tired. reallly really tired
[11:01] <ochosi> will try to be back tomorrow
[12:10] <knome> slickymasterWork, tweeted
[12:51] <akxwi-dave> +slickymaster - has there been much done with 15.10 regards the look and feel of the DE/apps.. as its looking really slick and well rounded.
[12:55] <knome> akxwi-dave, nothing special for 15.10 specifically - except some work on the LO icon theme (which is not comparable since this is the first release with LO) and the usual gtk theme updates for the newest gtk version
[13:16] <akxwi-dave> :-)  still looks good though..
[13:16] <slickymasterWork> thnaks knome 
[13:16] <knome> np
[13:16] <slickymasterWork> * thanks
[13:16] <knome> akxwi-dave, sure, we've done a lot work in the past for an integrated looks - but nothing specific now
[13:17] <slickymasterWork> did you saw my ping regarding the B1 release page knome?
[13:17] <knome> i did
[13:17] <slickymasterWork> great
[13:50] <knome> slickymasterWork, i updated the calendar entry for the meeting - now it actually says 10am and not "whole day"
[13:50] <slickymasterWork> ihadn't finished it tey knome :P
[13:50] <knome> hah
[13:51] <slickymasterWork> i was trying to find out if it was displaying it in my time zone or UTC, instead
[13:51] <knome> heh
[13:51] <knome> a good application tells you what
[13:51] <knome> *that :P
[13:51] <slickymasterWork> who choose Google calendar, anyway?
[13:51] <knome> o/
[13:52] <knome> what else?
[13:52] <slickymasterWork> lmao
[13:52] <knome> no really
[13:52] <knome> is there an alternative that is seriously so easy to reach for everybody?
[13:53] <slickymasterWork> not that I'm aware of
[13:53] <knome> so yeah, what else would we have chosen?
[13:54] <slickymasterWork> not a clue ;)
[13:54] <knome> then why whine? :P
[13:54] <slickymasterWork> just answering your previous question
[13:56] <knome> :P
[13:56] <knome> well, i use gcal with tb
[13:56] <knome> that does tell you the TZ
[13:57] <slickymasterWork> I figured it out in my google settings
[16:11] <pleia2> slickymaster: thanks, G+ed and FBed
[16:59] <knome> pleia2, what did you say about the flyer schedule again? :)
[16:59] <pleia2> flyer schedule?
[16:59] <knome> you ordered the flyers
[16:59] <pleia2> yeah, they should be here when I get home on september 7th
[16:59] <knome> ok, cool
[16:59]  * knome is tired
[17:21] <knome> another_name, welcome :)
[17:21] <another_name> knome: thanks. Hope I can help with fixing the problem :)
[17:43] <knome> so for those that didn't catch it, another_name has the grey screen on resuming from suspend problem and is apparently willing to help
[17:47] <another_name> Yes. It only occurred when I had two screens attached, and unplugging the second monitor lead to the locking screen to show up properly again.
[17:49] <another_name> I haven't tried to suspend with two screens attached though.
[17:50] <another_name> I'll give that a try
[17:53] <another_name> Suspending leads to the same problem. Mouse moments show the gray screen where as left clicking brought back the lock screen and allowed me to login
[17:54] <another_name> I also just encountered another issue; closing my laptop lid (which is set to suspend the system) with two screens turns off my main screen and sets the second screen as primary and the system does not suspend.
[17:55] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi ^
[18:10] <ochosi> another_name: what version of xubuntu and more specifically lightdm-gtk-greeter are you using?
[18:11] <another_name> ochosi: xubuntu 15.04, lightdm-gtk-greeter 2.0.0
[18:14] <ochosi> so the system really locks up?
[18:14] <ochosi> or is it "just a grey screen" and you click and the greeter "wakes up"?
[18:15] <another_name> ochosi: the screen goes black initially, moving the mouse or hitting keys 'wakes' the screen up to gray. After clicking on the gray screen it blinks to the lock screen
[18:16] <ochosi> that sounds like a known issue that has been fixed already
[18:16] <ochosi> black initially is expected, that's just the screensaver
[18:16] <another_name> ochosi: agreed
[18:17] <ochosi> you'll need 2.0.1
[18:17] <ochosi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1448761
[18:17] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1448761 in lightdm-gtk-greeter (Ubuntu) "gray screen shown when external monitor connected on resume from suspend" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:17] <knome> ochosi, do we have quick instructions on how to test that?
[18:17] <knome> also, hey ochosi :)
[18:18] <ochosi> well, use a PPA to get 2.0.1 would be the most straight forward i guess
[18:18] <another_name> oaky
[18:18] <ochosi> https://launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[18:18] <ochosi> e.g. this one ^
[18:19] <knome> mhm
[18:19] <ochosi> hey knome :)
[18:21] <another_name> ochosi: yep works perfectly.
[18:21] <another_name> any ideas on the other problem (closing laptop lid to suspend).
[18:22] <another_name> ochosi: thanks for your help :)
[18:32] <ochosi> another_name: no problem
[18:33] <ochosi> that other issue you're describing is intended behavior of xfce4-power-manager
[18:33] <ochosi> so you can keep on using your computer if it is docked
[18:33] <ochosi> i'm not sure off the top of my head whether that was configurable or not
[18:33] <another_name> Even if i have it set to suspend when the lid is closed?
[18:33] <ochosi> i think so, yes
[18:34] <ochosi> multi-monitor is a separate scenario
[18:34] <ochosi> i haven't touched that part of the code, but i remember seeing it at some point and wondering whether that wouldn't be an issue for some
[18:35] <another_name> Is there a way to configure multi-monitor settings for locking? I can understand the use-case of docking (done it before actually) but I'd also be interested in configuring it. But if that's the intended behavior it's perfectly fine. 
[18:38] <another_name> ochosi: Thanks again for your help.
[18:42] <melodie> hi!
[18:42] <melodie> I got news for the Xubuntu teams
[18:43] <ochosi> another_name: yeah, no worries. sorry i don't think it's configurable atm
[18:44] <ochosi> melodie: don't keep us waiting then :)
[18:44] <melodie> hi ochosi here:
[18:44] <melodie>  I had to replace a Windows 7 home edition on a HP large laptop, which has 8 cores proc, 8 GB ram, a ivybridge Intel 3D/Nvidia GPU :
[18:44] <melodie> and I have the pleasure to announce you there has been no bug at all! \o/
[18:44] <melodie>  I used a Xubuntu 14.04.3 and installed all additional packages for iphone as the guy has a iphone 5 and that went well too. success!
[18:44] <melodie> I used the oem option
[18:45] <ochosi> good to hear :)
[18:45] <ochosi> another_name: this would be the code piece i had in mind: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/tree/src/xfpm-manager.c#n436
[18:46] <melodie> while I'm here I'll express a wish, that Thunar gets a menu "Display > Dual pane" feature. I installed pcmanfm additionally to make it available
[18:46] <ochosi> another_name: actually it looks as though suspend should still work when closing the lid with >1 monitor
[18:46] <melodie> else than that, the guy who I installed for was really amazed
[18:48] <another_name> ochosi: I'm not sure what xfpm_is_multihead_connected is a flag for multiple monitors are connected.
[18:49] <knome> melodie, i don't think that's going to happen; if you want that feature, use pcmanfm (as you do)
[18:49] <melodie> XD
[18:50] <melodie> hi knome 
[18:50] <ochosi> another_name: ehm, what else would it be?
[18:50] <melodie> before pcmanfm had that feature, I used to install some k package 
[18:50] <another_name> ochosi: no idea not familiar with code.
[18:50] <melodie> for the same purpose
[18:50] <another_name> ochosi: no idea not familiar with code base
[18:50] <ochosi> another_name: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/tree/common/xfpm-common.c#n146
[18:51] <ochosi> bbl
[18:54] <knome> bbl as well
[18:56] <another_name> ochosi: I see what you mean.
[21:08] <peaches> hello
[21:09] <another_name> hello
[21:10] <peaches> I subscribe to the mailing list and wanted to ask if there was a repository I can read about the willy beta 1 testing.
[21:13] <knome> peaches, the mailing list has all the information and news about the testing
[21:13] <knome> peaches, the reporting and things related to that is all in the ISO tracker
[21:13] <peaches> I see the mile stonebuilds page
[21:13] <knome> peaches, and if you have any questions, you can ask here or on the mailing list
[21:14] <peaches> is there any other documentation available without having to download the .iso?
[21:14] <knome> i don't understand the question; to test the beta 1 milestone, you will need to download the ISO
[21:16] <peaches> my apologies, i'm not familiar testing xubuntu specific technology or developing with linux based developing environments. 
[21:16] <knome> no problem
[21:17] <pleia2> peaches: when you click on a test case it'll give you instructions for what you need to do
[21:17] <pleia2> peaches: so if you're testing the 64-bit iso, you end up on the testcases page, here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/345/builds/100663/testcases
[21:17] <pleia2> peaches: then you click through them to see which one you want to do
[21:19] <peaches> just to ask because I'm not sure; is this project wily the irc bot for xubuntu?
[21:20] <peaches> i don't see much documentation on the email or site
[21:22] <knome> what irc bot?
[21:24] <peaches> is Wily Beta 1 a version of xubuntu? sorry to think it was a bot.
[21:25] <knome> "wily" is the codename for the forthcoming 15.10 release
[21:25] <knome> wily beta 1 is a work-in-progress version of 15.10
[21:26] <peaches> I understand. Thanks for clarifying my mix-up. 
[21:26] <knome> no problem
[21:27] <peaches> I really enjoying using 15.04 on my VM virtual box, it's stable. What kind of benefits would I find to use 15.10?
[21:28] <peaches> right now would it be find bugs?
[21:28] <knome> yes, we are asking people to help us test the beta version to find bugs
[21:28] <knome> so if you are looking for the benefits, then you shouldn't install now
[21:29] <peaches> can some bugs become features or do you have strict adherence to how Wily Beta 1 should work?
[21:29] <knome> the ISO testing we are calling for now should follow a specific testcase
[21:30] <knome> for example, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/345/builds/100663/testcases/1300/results for an entire disk install with the 64bit ISO
[21:31] <pleia2> if you find something while testing and aren't sure if it's a bug or a feature, you can just ask here :)
[21:31] <knome> but in addition to that, we are constantly encouraging people to do so called "exploratory testing" - to simply run the new release and file any bugs they might find - especially those that are related to changes made since the previous version
[21:31] <knome> but right now we need the ISO tests
[21:34] <peaches> what kind of version control do you use for this project?
[21:35] <knome> ummmh... i don't think that question really applies
[21:36] <peaches> may i ask why?
[21:36] <knome> separate applications, libraries etc have different version control systems
[21:36] <pleia2> same as the rest of ubuntu, bazaar (bzr), but a distribution is much more than just the work we do, so our upstreams in debian (lots of our work is done in debian), libreoffice, mozilla, etc use all kinds of things
[21:36] <knome> xubuntu as an entity itself is not exactly version controlled
[21:36] <knome> (eg. there is no "diff" for any two given ISOs)
[21:46] <peaches> if I could find more documentation first on the standards this build is set on I would be effect at finding bugs.
[21:47] <knome> it's a collection of loads of individual packages and changes
[21:47] <peaches> where to start?
[21:48] <knome> as i said, for the ISO testing, we have predefined testcases
[21:48] <knome> please look at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/345/builds/100663/testcases/1300/results
[21:48] <knome> in the "testcase" section you will see the exact procedure you need to take to run this test
[21:49] <peaches> i appreciate the link, thanks knome 
[21:52] <knome> well, that's the second time i paste that
[21:52] <knome> so maybe you also need to start paying attention
[21:53] <slickymaster> thanks pleia2 
[21:53] <knome> wb slimy
[21:53] <slickymaster> just got home :P
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