| pitti | Good morning | 04:19 |
|---|---|---|
| darkxst | pitti, hey | 04:22 |
| pitti | hey darkxst | 04:22 |
| darkxst | pitti, do you know if there are really still cases where plymouth can get stuck with a 16color framebuffer? | 04:22 |
| pitti | darkxst: I don't know (I've never worked on plymouth/graphical boot), but it seems unlikely | 04:23 |
| pitti | with KMS it of course doesn't happen, with fbdev it shouldn't either, and the next fallback is plain text mode | 04:24 |
| darkxst | pitti, right, and pretty much everything on intel platforms is using KMS these days? | 04:24 |
| pitti | I don't know about the proprietary nvidia/amd drivers | 04:25 |
| pitti | nvidia had used plaintext boot for a long time, not sure if that's still the case | 04:25 |
| darkxst | nvidia have KMS, but its not the standard one, think they are porting over to that though | 04:25 |
| pitti | oh, they do? I thought KMS was GPL-only, so you can't legally have a KMS-capable proprietary driver | 04:26 |
| pitti | but maybe that changed now | 04:26 |
| darkxst | I think they blacklisted the graphical plymouth, because it causing problems with their framebuffer | 04:26 |
| darkxst | pitti, they are doing a big restructure of their kernel side to support wayland etc | 04:27 |
| pitti | or that; but then you also wouldn't run into a graphical 16 color fb | 04:27 |
| darkxst | yeh exactly that is just text | 04:27 |
| pitti | or are you talking about the classical text mode? | 04:27 |
| pitti | that happens all the time, and must be supported | 04:27 |
| darkxst | no the ubuntu theme, has fallback to 16color | 04:27 |
| darkxst | (graphical) | 04:28 |
| darkxst | but that is a pain for what we want to do since there is no alpha channel then | 04:28 |
| darkxst | and I guess worst case is they won't see the animation if it really happens, other things like passwords etc are all the same as per ubuntu theme | 04:29 |
| darkxst | pitti, btw I think nividia are going to register their own KMS service that than emulates the GPL-only API's from within their driver | 04:40 |
| pitti | heh -- kernel license wars :) | 04:41 |
| darkxst | indeed | 04:44 |
| darkxst | and nothing ever happens to the companies that just blatantly abuse GPL code | 04:47 |
| pitti | aside from being shown the finger, but they can surely live with that :) | 04:48 |
| darkxst | there are far worse companies out there than nvidia! | 04:49 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:36 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks, ça va ? | 05:42 |
| didrocks | ça va bien pitti, et toi ? | 05:49 |
| === larsu is now known as Guest68656 | ||
| === larsu_ is now known as larsu | ||
| larsu | seb128, morning! | 07:52 |
| * larsu didn't see you come in | 07:52 | |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers! | 07:52 |
| seb128 | hey larsu, how are you? | 07:52 |
| larsu | seb128, great thanks! convincing quilt to take changes to my patch | 07:52 |
| larsu | how are you? | 07:52 |
| didrocks | good morning seb128 | 07:52 |
| seb128 | quilt refresh! | 07:53 |
| larsu | ya... | 07:53 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks ;-) | 07:53 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks | 07:53 |
| larsu | but quilt add, too | 07:53 |
| larsu | seb128, we miss you in that certain other channel | 07:53 |
| pitti | hey seb128! | 07:57 |
| pitti | hello larsu | 07:57 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 07:57 |
| larsu | "morning" pitti | 07:57 |
| seb128 | larsu, oh, right, removed that from my list yesterday and I'm not really looking at IRC yet today ;-) | 07:57 |
| pitti | larsu: yeah, almost lunchtime :) | 07:57 |
| larsu | hehe | 07:58 |
| larsu | seb128, no worries :) | 07:58 |
| larsu | fyi: I'm off this afternoon | 07:58 |
| pitti | seb128: did you notice that the new bluetooth indicator regressed again? if you disable bluetooth it disappears entirely instead of graying out | 07:58 |
| pitti | didn't we fix this like three times already? | 07:58 |
| larsu | isn't that by design? | 07:58 |
| seb128 | larsu, oh? have fun! | 07:59 |
| didrocks | pitti: you meant *run*time | 07:59 |
| larsu | seb128, helping a friend move to Hamburg :) | 07:59 |
| pitti | didrocks: cą aussi ! | 07:59 |
| larsu | ah, pitti is right, it should be insensitive instead of disappearing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bluetooth#PC | 08:00 |
| pitti | that's how it worked with bluez4 | 08:01 |
| larsu | it should only disappear when the computer doesn't have bluetooth | 08:01 |
| pitti | I think with bluez5 it went away entirely, and the new version from yesterday didn't fix that yet | 08:01 |
| pitti | although it should really only look at rfkill, not at bluez | 08:01 |
| pitti | this bug keeps coming back :( | 08:01 |
| pitti | (we do have a mock for rfkill, just saying..) | 08:01 |
| seb128 | larsu, hope it's not raining ;-) | 08:01 |
| larsu | thanks. looks fine so far | 08:02 |
| larsu | very sunny | 08:02 |
| larsu | pitti, maybe it can't differentiate between "bluetooth is off" and "no bluetooth hw available" | 08:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bluetooth#Indicator_and_menu states | 08:02 |
| seb128 | "When Bluetooth is off, to save space the Bluetooth indicator should not be present at all. " | 08:02 |
| seb128 | talk to mpt about it I guess? | 08:03 |
| larsu | seb128, this is on the phone, though | 08:03 |
| seb128 | larsu, convergence? ;-) | 08:03 |
| larsu | seb128, yes, I agree, but the spec says otherwise for the desktop | 08:03 |
| pitti | larsu: sure it can; check rfkill list, you'll have a soft blocked bluetooth device | 08:03 |
| pitti | that's how it was fixed previously | 08:03 |
| larsu | pitti, just thinking out loud :) | 08:03 |
| Laney | hai | 08:03 |
| larsu | L.a.n.e.y! | 08:04 |
| pitti | it's really wrong for a desktop to disappear -- you have no (obvious) way to reenable it | 08:04 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 08:04 |
| pitti | hey Laney, how are you? | 08:04 |
| larsu | pitti, same on the phone, no? | 08:04 |
| seb128 | pitti, did that fix you mention ever landed? | 08:04 |
| seb128 | I though we had issues when robert_ancell previously tried to do that | 08:04 |
| pitti | seb128: sure, it has worked fine since vivid | 08:04 |
| larsu | pitti, I tend to agree though - and we have more than enough space in the menu bar | 08:04 |
| Laney | GREAT! | 08:04 |
| pitti | bug 1126108 | 08:04 |
| ubot5 | bug 1126108 in indicator-bluetooth (Ubuntu) "Indicator disappears entirely when disabling / turning off bluetooth" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1126108 | 08:04 |
| Laney | yeah this worked before | 08:04 |
| seb128 | pitti, k, dunno then, patches are welcome ;-) that indicator is basically on low maintainance, I doubt anyone is actively looking at it | 08:05 |
| * larsu slowly walks away | 08:05 | |
| didrocks | good morning Laney | 08:05 |
| larsu | Laney, how was climbing? | 08:06 |
| Laney | good try | 08:06 |
| Laney | but incorrect | 08:06 |
| Laney | tuesday -> pub quiz | 08:06 |
| larsu | hm? | 08:06 |
| larsu | ah. damn. sorry :) | 08:06 |
| larsu | how was the pub quiz? | 08:06 |
| willcooke | didrocks, am trying to move that meeting now | 08:09 |
| didrocks | willcooke: thanks! | 08:11 |
| larsu | morning willcooke | 08:11 |
| willcooke | hey larsu | 08:11 |
| larsu | how's the sprint? | 08:11 |
| Laney | larsu: we came (joint) second, but 4(!!!) points behind the winners | 08:16 |
| Laney | was fun | 08:16 |
| larsu | Laney, the correct German term for this is "ärgerlich" | 08:16 |
| larsu | (there's no good english translation) | 08:17 |
| Laney | I know es ärgert mich | 08:19 |
| larsu | yeah that works as well but sounds a bit stronger to me | 08:19 |
| Laney | well I don't know the difference | 08:20 |
| Laney | but I know what my one means :P | 08:20 |
| Laney | does it mean "I really hope they weren't using their mobile phones"? :) | 08:20 |
| larsu | hahaha | 08:20 |
| larsu | it's the adjective to "ärgern" | 08:21 |
| larsu | so in theory it's very similar | 08:21 |
| larsu | but it's used with weaker meaning | 08:21 |
| larsu | I love bug #401692 | 08:42 |
| ubot5 | bug 401692 in gedit "Gedit - default file name is "unsaved document"" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401692 | 08:42 |
| larsu | we've carried a patch since '09 for this... | 08:42 |
| seb128 | :-) | 08:43 |
| seb128 | we can drop the patch now? | 08:43 |
| larsu | no! | 08:43 |
| seb128 | so "we carry ..." | 08:43 |
| larsu | the upstream bug even has comments from this year | 08:43 |
| larsu | seb128, true :) | 08:43 |
| * larsu makes them a proper patch and comments | 08:43 | |
| seb128 | well at least it's an easy to maintain change | 08:43 |
| larsu | it's also stupid | 08:43 |
| larsu | but yeah... | 08:43 |
| larsu | easily applied | 08:44 |
| seb128 | right | 08:44 |
| seb128 | still woth it imho, it's confusing that your saved documented are name unsaved document by default | 08:44 |
| larsu | yes of course! | 08:44 |
| larsu | unsaved is so stupid that I don't even begin to understand how they didn't change it upstream yet | 08:45 |
| * larsu goes all mpt on them and makes a list of apps and their default file names | 08:45 | |
| seb128 | lol | 08:46 |
| robert_ancell | larsu, Simple Scan is "Scanned Document" | 08:46 |
| larsu | robert_ancell, thanks! | 08:46 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: hey, is there any way to ensure that UXA is chosen as the AccelMethod before I report the new crash? | 09:01 |
| didrocks | (intel driver regular crash) | 09:01 |
| tjaalton | didrocks: check x log | 09:06 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: ok, seems I'm still using SNA then | 09:09 |
| * didrocks changes capital letter and wait for next crash to check logs | 09:10 | |
| didrocks | hum, seems that even setting it in non capital letter doesn't work for some users: http://askubuntu.com/questions/638231/how-can-i-switch-graphic-card-acceleration-from-sna-to-uxa | 09:11 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: any idea what's wrong with the syntax? ^ | 09:11 |
| tjaalton | is it all quoted? | 09:13 |
| tjaalton | the very beginning and end | 09:13 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: ah yeah, this user sounded to have it wrong | 09:15 |
| didrocks | anyway, let's see after my next crash, will keep you posted :) | 09:15 |
| didrocks | (seems like the bug started to be popular btw) | 09:15 |
| tjaalton | do you use chromium? | 09:15 |
| TheMuso | query willcooke | 09:15 |
| TheMuso | Wquery willcooke Whoops. :) | 09:16 |
| willcooke | TheMuso, :) | 09:16 |
| Laney | doh | 09:16 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: chrome, indeed | 09:18 |
| didrocks | that's how I saw that pattern | 09:18 |
| tjaalton | guess something changed in chromium then that triggers this | 09:20 |
| tjaalton | since the driver stack didn't | 09:20 |
| tjaalton | and vivid got the same update | 09:21 |
| * larsu yells at quilt | 09:31 | |
| larsu | (and remembers `exit 0` from now on) | 09:31 |
| didrocks | larsu: classical :p | 09:34 |
| larsu | it could at least ask! | 09:34 |
| didrocks | quilt refresh first ;) | 09:34 |
| didrocks | (and it's bzr bd-do) | 09:34 |
| larsu | ya, indeed | 09:34 |
| didrocks | but if you don't run bzr bd-do first now | 09:34 |
| didrocks | you can still access it | 09:34 |
| didrocks | in ../build-area/package-name_version | 09:34 |
| larsu | I really yelled at that workflow. sorry quilt! | 09:34 |
| didrocks | then quilt refresh | 09:35 |
| didrocks | cp your patch | 09:35 |
| larsu | didrocks, ah, right | 09:35 |
| tjaalton | didrocks: I'll build -intel from current master with debug symbols on | 09:36 |
| tjaalton | it looks like https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91658 | 09:36 |
| ubot5 | Freedesktop bug 91658 in Driver/intel "Xorg segfault during video playback" [Normal,New] | 09:37 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: interesting, that can be, however, I definitively got many crashes when I wasn't watching a video | 09:37 |
| larsu | oh wow, we have ubunut.com! | 09:51 |
| larsu | just typoed that and wondered why it worked :) | 09:51 |
| pitti | didrocks: *maintenant* c'est l'heure de courier :) | 10:32 |
| didrocks | pitti: héhé, pareil ici (bientôt) | 10:36 |
| seb128 | pitti, bon sport ;-)* | 10:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, toi aussi :-) | 10:39 |
| pitti | merci ! | 10:39 |
| seb128 | pitti, tu ne manges pas à midi ? | 10:40 |
| pitti | I think I tamed the ppc64el workers enough, /me releases the autopkgtest flood upon them and runs away to evade the splinters :) | 10:40 |
| pitti | seb128: pas encore, après le courier | 10:40 |
| seb128 | k | 10:40 |
| seb128 | enjoy! | 10:40 |
| larsu | Laney, (and maybe seb128), I've got a first gedit 3.16 branch up if you're interested: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/gedit/update-316 | 10:41 |
| larsu | it's missing a few bits and it has a headerbar | 10:42 |
| seb128 | larsu, good, I'm running the gnome3 ppa version since yesterday | 10:42 |
| seb128 | let me try yours | 10:42 |
| larsu | most importantly the menubar patch | 10:42 |
| seb128 | I was close from reverting to 3.8 | 10:42 |
| seb128 | I'm not getting used to the new ui when maximized :-( | 10:42 |
| larsu | menubar patch is definitely coming (but won't have time today, have to leave) | 10:42 |
| seb128 | the titlebar showing under the panel and the double decorations are really annoying :-/ | 10:43 |
| larsu | seb128, headerbar is not yet decided. I'll add a patch if we don't | 10:43 |
| larsu | seb128, yeah... I have the same issue. We could theme it differently when maximizefd | 10:43 |
| didrocks | seb128: merci ;) | 10:43 |
| Laney | we can't do this headerbar stuff for 15.10 surely | 10:43 |
| larsu | seb128, but I've got to run now. See you all tomorrow! | 10:43 |
| Laney | bye! | 10:44 |
| seb128 | larsu, good luck with the moving ;-) | 10:44 |
| didrocks | see you larsu! | 10:44 |
| larsu | thanks :) | 10:44 |
| didrocks | don't break anything while moving and don't break anything on you as well :) | 10:44 |
| * larsu tries | 10:45 | |
| popey | didrocks: http://blogs.unity3d.com/2015/08/26/unity-comes-to-linux-experimental-build-now-available/ | 11:08 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| didrocks | popey: waow, excellent! | 11:13 |
| * didrocks can't wait for this day to happen | 11:13 | |
| didrocks | (when it's more marked as stable) | 11:13 |
| didrocks | I'll have a try though :) | 11:13 |
| seb128 | tseliot, Laney, can you merge&clean silo9 (usd)? | 11:17 |
| seb128 | it's in proposed but there is a checkbox to say to ignore that it didn't migrate | 11:18 |
| seb128 | there are no silo available atm, that seems an obvious one we could claim back | 11:18 |
| Laney | Are you in there? do it | 11:18 |
| Laney | I didn't publish it | 11:18 |
| seb128 | k | 11:19 |
| Laney | otherwise I've got to go get the yubikey :P | 11:19 |
| seb128 | did it | 11:19 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:19 |
| Laney | ta | 11:19 |
| Laney | brb, dell man is here | 11:21 |
| Laney | i haz speakers | 11:52 |
| === hikiko is now known as hikiko|bbl | ||
| Laney | is g_bus_unown_name supposed to call the name_lost callback? | 12:13 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| === jhodapp is now known as jhodapp|sick | ||
| willcooke | Trevinho, hey! Going through old bugs.... | 13:40 |
| willcooke | uhhh ohhhhh | 13:40 |
| willcooke | :) | 13:40 |
| willcooke | https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/798445 | 13:40 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 798445 in unity (Ubuntu) "can't discern between two files or folder with identical names " [High,Incomplete] | 13:40 |
| Trevinho | _o | 13:41 |
| willcooke | Just had a v. quick chat with JohnLea | 13:41 |
| Trevinho | :o | 13:41 |
| willcooke | Just to let you know, I've put it on the list for consideration | 13:41 |
| willcooke | if you have any good ideas, let me know | 13:41 |
| Trevinho | yeah, that's actually something I noticed as well | 13:41 |
| willcooke | JohnLea said pretty much the only option is to put it in to the right-click screen | 13:42 |
| willcooke | preview I guess it's called :) | 13:42 |
| Trevinho | mh, yeah I was thinking exactly the same | 13:42 |
| Trevinho | yes preview | 13:42 |
| Trevinho | but... Well, having a quick look is also soemthing that can help | 13:42 |
| willcooke | but anyway, just ponder it at your leisure, if you think of anything cool, let me know | 13:42 |
| Trevinho | maybe... Something on mouse hover such as showing a collapsed path | 13:42 |
| willcooke | we spoke about that, adding a whole new thing in hover seems like a bad idea, but I think it's a better solution than having to click | 13:43 |
| willcooke | so, dunnno | 13:43 |
| Trevinho | but indeed preview should state it | 13:43 |
| willcooke | oki, well - it's on the list :) | 13:43 |
| Trevinho | No I didn't want things such as pop-ups, but something like that the name changes once you're hovering for a certain amount of time | 13:44 |
| willcooke | ohh, nice | 13:44 |
| willcooke | hover over it and the full path could scroll by? | 13:44 |
| willcooke | in place of the name | 13:44 |
| Trevinho | something like that | 13:44 |
| willcooke | iiiinnnnnteresting | 13:44 |
| Trevinho | what was the tag name? | 13:47 |
| Trevinho | ah ok I see it | 13:47 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: also a way to go trough the approved backlog, just browse bugs in the ayatana-design side. Some were commited and still there :) | 13:48 |
| willcooke | thanks Trevinho | 13:49 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: I had collected these http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12199413/ | 13:49 |
| Trevinho | (and others, but need to do the tagging properly) | 13:50 |
| * willcooke reviews | 13:51 | |
| willcooke | thanks | 13:51 |
| === hikiko|bbl is now known as hikiko | ||
| willcooke | anyone having issues with LP? I keep getting timeouts trying to comment on bugs, and for once I don't think it's related to wifi | 14:23 |
| qengho | I got some new Http 500 page yesterday. | 14:23 |
| qengho | Mine was too quick to be a normal timeout, though. | 14:24 |
| qengho | Er, maybe it was a "down for upgrade" page, now that I think about it. | 14:24 |
| willcooke | meh, now it works | 14:25 |
| * willcooke blames wifi again | 14:25 | |
| seb128 | works for me | 14:27 |
| degorenko | hello here! Is here anyone around, who can help me? I want to fix this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sahara/+bug/1452698 I found this instruction: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html is it correct? | 14:53 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1452698 in sahara (Ubuntu) "Issue in sahara-common.postinst.in: sahara-db-manage is executet on fresh install (even without a db-connection)" [High,Confirmed] | 14:53 |
| seb128 | degorenko, hey, try #ubuntu for user issues | 14:55 |
| degorenko | seb128, ok, thanks | 14:55 |
| mitya57 | Actually that doesn't sound like an user issue | 15:06 |
| mitya57 | degorenko, ping coreycb or jamespage on #ubuntu-devel, they touched it last | 15:07 |
| degorenko | mitya57, ok, will do :) | 15:09 |
| willcooke | going to check in to the hotel | 16:39 |
| Trevinho | seb128: I've made this (so I can apply the same to dash as well): https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/osd-scrollbars-improvements/+merge/269245 | 16:46 |
| Trevinho | do you prefer I wait larsu for checking that? | 16:46 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, yes, I need to go now, we have a sprint dinner tonight and meeting is in 30 min | 16:46 |
| Trevinho | seb128: oh, right... I forgot you were in london :) | 16:47 |
| seb128 | indeed | 16:47 |
| seb128 | your video looks good :-) | 16:47 |
| Trevinho | seb128: I've also this https://transfer.sh/YLymC/out-19.ogv but it needs gtk patching (small theming thing) | 16:48 |
| Trevinho | and probably some transitions, which - for some reason -doesn't work | 16:48 |
| * Trevinho also wonders why all the theming stuff inside gtkscrolledwindow is hardcoded :o | 16:49 | |
| Laney | bye! | 17:10 |
| === lifeless1 is now known as lifeless | ||
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!