| another_name | knome: I'm having another issue where I connect a screen and it mis-identifies the available resolution of the screen and when I select the reduced resolution the screen never shows up. | 00:28 |
|---|---|---|
| another_name | i should also note this is a different display that I was using before | 00:32 |
| jjfrv8 | bluesabre, ochosi, I noticed that on an install of the 32-bit beta, the LO icons are set to Human. 64-bit install is set to Elementary and both 32 and 64 Live versions are Elementary. | 00:44 |
| jjfrv8 | Also - and this might not be under our control - when you launch the LO meta app from the Office menu, it has Draw, Impress and Base buttons, but they of course do nothing. | 00:46 |
| bluesabre | jjfrv8: that's interesting (the icons) | 01:12 |
| bluesabre | as for the meta app, not sure we can do anything there but see if it's been previously reported | 01:13 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: you about? | 02:14 |
| bluesabre | knome, ochosi, slickymaster, Unit193: does this look good for release notes? Sorry if I happened to duplicate effort, but I had a chance to crank it out, so... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes/Beta2/Xubuntu | 02:26 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Hi. | 02:34 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: heyooooo | 02:34 |
| drc | bluesabre: saw xfce4-sensors-plugin 1.2.6 in New Major application versions...still need to install thru synaptic rather than USC? | 02:50 |
| bluesabre | drc: dunno, it should be installable via USC, but I haven't tried personally | 02:51 |
| bluesabre | I'd also expect that major applications list to be trimmed a bit | 02:51 |
| drc | It hasn't for the past 2 or 4 cycles :( | 02:51 |
| bluesabre | since most plugins are not particularly major (or really even noteworthy) | 02:51 |
| bluesabre | well thats no fun | 02:51 |
| drc | The funy thing is, looking in USC on the LiveUSB finds it, but not on install :) | 02:52 |
| bluesabre | I can see it in vivid | 02:52 |
| drc | It's an old bug :( | 02:53 |
| bluesabre | http://i.imgur.com/n0g48Cl.png | 02:53 |
| drc | yeah, iirc correctly, once you install from universe (?), it works fine...let me find the bug | 02:54 |
| bluesabre | alrighty | 02:55 |
| drc | I've asked about this almost every cycle for a while, so everyone's probably tired of reading about it. | 02:59 |
| drc | 782057 | 02:59 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Did you need something? | 02:59 |
| drc | bug 782057 | 02:59 |
| ubottu | bug 782057 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Sofware center fails to automatically enable universe repository" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/782057 | 02:59 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: was just wondering if work was already started on release notes and I had just missed it | 02:59 |
| Unit193 | drc: FWIW, we don't touch/manage/control USC. You can try to annoy -desktop people. | 03:00 |
| bluesabre | you're generally more away of ongoing work :) | 03:00 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Aha, I'm not a release team. | 03:00 |
| bluesabre | right | 03:00 |
| bluesabre | I'll assume not then | 03:00 |
| bluesabre | so.... | 03:00 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: release notes linked above, feel free to make any changes | 03:00 |
| drc | Unit193: You have to be kidding. A High/Confirmed/Unassigned bug from 2011 that hasn't been fixed yet? Fat chance :) | 03:02 |
| bluesabre | oh, named it the wrong number | 03:02 |
| drc | Time to quit. Getting riled (again) | 03:02 |
| bluesabre | there we go, linked on here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Beta1 | 03:05 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, knome, slickymaster: release notes here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Beta1/Xubuntu -- feel free to make any changes as needed | 03:07 |
| bluesabre | off to bed, night all | 03:07 |
| Unit193 | G'night. | 03:08 |
| flexiondotorg | Morning. | 08:00 |
| flexiondotorg | Just wanted to check how the Beta 1 testing is going. | 08:01 |
| bluesabre | slow and steady... maybe? | 08:23 |
| bluesabre | I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, and a few of us have been in and out | 08:23 |
| bluesabre | it looks like we've got 8/10 mandatory tests done | 08:26 |
| bluesabre | I'll pull down my xp to do auto-resize | 08:27 |
| bluesabre | *xp vm | 08:27 |
| newform8|SM-G386 | anyone know what the default password for su is in xubuntu? Google searching couldn't find it for me and many say Ubuntu doesn't give root | 08:32 |
| Unit193 | !noroot | 08:36 |
| ubottu | We do not support setting a root password. You're free to do it on your own machine, but please don't offer instructions on how to set a root password or ask for help with setting it. See !root and !wfm for more information. | 08:36 |
| Unit193 | !sudo | 08:36 |
| ubottu | sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !pkexec (for older releases: !gksu and !kdesudo). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo | 08:36 |
| newform8|SM-G386 | ah got it, yeah I guess I don't need it. thanks for the sudo command info, I've been using that. I just thought it was strange that they Ubuntu wouldn't give one and wondered if xubuntu was different about that.. | 08:40 |
| newform8|SM-G386 | I won't ask or mention again | 08:40 |
| newform8|SM-G386 | thanks | 08:40 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: those look good to me! and thanks for working on that, i likely wouldn't have found the time | 12:41 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: we could mention that the gimp was dropped in favor of LO | 12:43 |
| knome | wait, what? | 12:49 |
| knome | does that really make sense? | 12:49 |
| knome | LO isn't a replacement for GIMP | 12:49 |
| ochosi | well | 12:53 |
| knome | i wouldn't say so really | 12:53 |
| ochosi | i wouldn't formulate it verbatim like that | 12:54 |
| ochosi | but to some extent, gimp was dropped because of LO | 12:54 |
| knome | gimp was dropped because the team democratically decided we don't want to ship it any more | 12:54 |
| knome | i wouldn't say so either | 12:54 |
| knome | i would have voted for dropping gimp even if LO wasn't going to be included | 12:54 |
| knome | ultimately, making sure there is no room for interpretation like that is the cleanest and best approach IMO | 12:55 |
| ochosi | sure sure | 12:55 |
| ochosi | right now we don't even mention gimp, so no worries | 12:55 |
| knome | whether the ISO size was a motivation to vote this or that, it shouldn't be specifically mentioned | 12:55 |
| knome | for interested parties: http://open.knome.fi/2015/08/26/compact-style-jquery-api-documentation/ | 12:56 |
| ochosi | slickymasterWork: sorry, won't be able to make the next meeting, 1st day on new job... | 13:15 |
| * knome slaps ochosi | 13:17 | |
| knome | excuses! | 13:17 |
| ochosi | yeah i know... lame! | 13:17 |
| knome | oh, your job is to develop lame, the mp3 encoder? :P | 13:18 |
| ochosi | knome: oh wow, that one was lame even by your standards! :) | 13:22 |
| knome | yeah, | 13:23 |
| * knome playbacks an out-of-tempo-and-slow rimshot | 13:23 | |
| knome | of course, the audio file is encoded by lame | 13:23 |
| knome | ba-dummm-tsiiiihhh | 13:23 |
| slickymasterWork | np ochosi, I'm sure you'll keep up with the bbacklog, afterwards | 13:35 |
| knome | big brother acklog | 13:41 |
| knome | ok. | 13:42 |
| knome | ok, something that might be of more interest to people here: http://open.knome.fi/2015/08/26/series-minor-improvements-ubuntu-websites/ | 13:47 |
| newform8|debian | why is it so hard to choose between debian+xfce and xubuntu | 14:07 |
| ochosi | no idea, feels like an obvious choice | 14:08 |
| ochosi | especially when asking here | 14:08 |
| knome | newform8|debian, i don't know, but if you want to chat generally, we do have #xubuntu-offtopic for that purpose | 14:08 |
| newform8|debian | hehe i'll keep my first world problems to myself. thanks for the room recommendation though, i didn't know it was a place | 14:09 |
| another_name | ochosi: if i | 14:09 |
| another_name | ochosi: How can I get the debugging info for xfpm-manager? | 14:09 |
| ochosi | another_name: run "xfce4-power-manager -q && xfce4-power-manager --debug" | 14:12 |
| ochosi | it highly depends on what you want to debug whether the output will be helpful | 14:12 |
| another_name | okay, I'm trying to see why closing the lid with a second monitor attached switches the display to primary on the second monitor. | 14:16 |
| ochosi | right | 14:24 |
| drc | No daily for 26 Aug, by design? | 15:32 |
| drc | I see Ubuntu has a daily but kubuntu does not, so yeah, I'm guessing "by design". | 15:47 |
| azzenovic | hi I am a long time xubuntu user and I am really fascinated by the xfce tweaks . I was wondering if i can package the xubuntu desktop for debian . I will remove the xubuntu brand of course | 18:06 |
| knome | azzenovic, hello here as well | 18:07 |
| knome | azzenovic, which modifications are you talking exactly? | 18:08 |
| knome | for example, the greybird theme is available for debian already | 18:08 |
| azzenovic | I know but mugshot is not in the xfce control center, the same for the theme configuration . the indicator plugin is kinda messy on debian + the lightdm config is a bit different | 18:10 |
| knome | both mugshot and gtk-theme-config are available for debian | 18:11 |
| knome | whether they show up in the settings manager is up to their respective desktop files | 18:11 |
| knome | you should talk with the debian xfce maintainers about that, if they agree they should be included, then with the respective debian package maintainer about tweaking the packages | 18:12 |
| knome | aiui, there are differences in the indicator plugin in debian and ubuntu that are not related to theming or xubuntu config | 18:13 |
| knome | either bluesabre or ochosi can tell you more about that, but i'm not sure if the debian side is willing to land certain changes from ubuntu | 18:14 |
| knome | about lightdm config - what differences are you actually referring to? | 18:14 |
| azzenovic | I don't think debian policy approves coz debian ships always with the default DE config that's why I am more interested to create a debian spin with the xubuntu look and feel | 18:15 |
| knome | right... | 18:15 |
| knome | personally, i think that's a waste of time and effort - why not point users towards xubuntu? | 18:16 |
| knome | or alternatively, point users to certain configuration options they can change to make their debian look more like xubuntu | 18:17 |
| knome | finally, it isn't a simple task - the xubuntu team has put a lot of effort to make everything look and work seamlessly and integrated | 18:17 |
| azzenovic | the thing is I don't like where ubuntu is heading.. snappy etc otherwise I am really fond of xubuntu and I have been using it for more than years and I am from my xubuntu desktop now | 18:19 |
| knome | snappy doesn't affect xubuntu at all | 18:19 |
| azzenovic | I think it will shortly coz ubuntu is considering to include ubuntu 16.04 and since xubunu is based on it I think it will be affected right ? | 18:20 |
| knome | no, there will be .deb packaging in the future as well | 18:21 |
| azzenovic | does that mean no snappy for xubuntu even if ubuntu includes it on the desktop ? | 18:22 |
| knome | yes. | 18:22 |
| azzenovic | oh great problem solved then :D I am a happy xubuntu user thx knome | 18:24 |
| knome | no problem. | 18:24 |
| knome | if you have similar doubts in the future, or see somebody else having such, please come (or point them) here so we can clear things out | 18:25 |
| azzenovic | sure I wanna get involved with the xubuntu community since I have a bit of free time starting this year | 18:27 |
| knome | great, and thanks for the interest | 18:27 |
| knome | this is the perfect channel for that | 18:27 |
| knome | subscribing the development mailing list at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel is a good idea as well | 18:27 |
| azzenovic | thx :) I wanna run daily builds of xubuntu since I want to dicover the latest features and help with testing and filling bugs | 18:29 |
| knome | great! are you familiar with our testing trackers yet | 18:29 |
| azzenovic | not really but I am flexible (I am a software developer) | 18:30 |
| knome | you can read the basics (and more) at http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/ | 18:31 |
| knome | flocculant (the irc nick, not around right now) is our QA lead | 18:32 |
| knome | and others are able to answer questions too | 18:32 |
| azzenovic | sure I will contact them as soon as i finish the full documentation | 18:33 |
| ochosi | knome: btw, i don't think i will have time to finalise the greybird-a11y workitem. in case you wanna pick it up, i can tell you what's left to ship it | 19:54 |
| ochosi | or at least i can tell you what i had in mind | 19:54 |
| knome | probably not realistic for me neither | 19:55 |
| knome | that said, | 19:55 |
| knome | please document it in a whiteboard, or somewhere where it's arhived | 19:55 |
| knome | +c | 19:55 |
| knome | ... | 19:55 |
| ochosi | alright, will do | 19:56 |
| knome | thanks | 19:56 |
| knome | (it can be a pad too and i can comment today) | 19:56 |
| knome | http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-checklist | 19:57 |
| knome | this is obviously a PoC, but it WORKS | 19:57 |
| ochosi | checklist? | 20:01 |
| knome | well, look at my work items | 20:01 |
| knome | and figure out... | 20:01 |
| knome | and feel free to suggest a better name | 20:01 |
| knome | also, suggestions on the output formatting welcome | 20:02 |
| ochosi | so wait, a timeline? | 20:02 |
| * ochosi is distracted by the tv | 20:02 | |
| * knome slaps ochosi | 20:02 | |
| knome | yeah, kind of | 20:03 |
| knome | or, you could call it that | 20:03 |
| knome | so let's do that then. | 20:03 |
| ochosi | :] | 20:04 |
| knome | so... ideas about the formatting? | 20:07 |
| ochosi | grouping by date maybe | 20:09 |
| ochosi | only mention each date once i mean | 20:09 |
| knome | i was thinking potentially week/month | 20:09 |
| ochosi | right | 20:09 |
| knome | but week is bleh | 20:09 |
| ochosi | that's fine too | 20:09 |
| knome | because it's not obvious from the dates | 20:09 |
| ochosi | just atm it's all on the same day :) | 20:09 |
| knome | of course. | 20:10 |
| knome | well, not really | 20:10 |
| knome | my work items are today, others are yesterday | 20:10 |
| knome | (for testing purposes) | 20:10 |
| knome | i'll likely add an "Earlier" category | 20:10 |
| knome | basically for this cycle | 20:10 |
| ochosi | yup makes sense | 20:11 |
| knome | i guess we don't need a table? | 20:13 |
| knome | just some kind of list | 20:13 |
| knome | brb | 20:18 |
| ochosi | yup | 20:20 |
| ochosi | list should be fine | 20:20 |
| knome | ochosi, hooray | 20:42 |
| knome | lookie lookie | 20:43 |
| ochosi | nnnnice | 20:43 |
| knome | that wasn't so hard | 20:43 |
| knome | only one WEEEIRDO mysql query | 20:43 |
| knome | or do you use the "INSERT INTO ... ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE ... key = CASE WHEN ... THEN ... ELSE ... END" syntax often? | 20:44 |
| knome | now there's one last thing to do | 20:45 |
| knome | some db hacking :F | 20:45 |
| knome | great, that went smoothly as expected | 20:46 |
| knome | currently showing items per day, let's evaluate that later | 20:49 |
| ochosi | yeah that sounds like my usual query :> | 20:53 |
| knome | yep. | 20:53 |
| knome | i knew i should have asked you for tips on building that! | 20:53 |
| knome | though it's cool that doing that avoided me from a lot of php code | 20:53 |
| knome | do we want to link to the blueprint in the timeline? | 20:54 |
| knome | eg. "Work item description in w-specification finished by Somebody" | 20:54 |
| knome | (refresh now to see how i'm showing the assignee now, would be sameish) | 20:55 |
| ochosi | yeah | 20:56 |
| ochosi | i'd say so | 20:56 |
| knome | ok | 20:56 |
| knome | i'll add that | 20:56 |
| ochosi | also, it's okayish to link to LP on the assignee, but i actually preferred that per-assignee page you had before | 20:56 |
| ochosi | could bury the LP profile link there | 20:57 |
| knome | aha | 20:57 |
| knome | meh | 20:57 |
| knome | yeah, i've been thinking all this link stuff | 20:57 |
| ochosi | dunno i just don't like the LP profile pages | 20:57 |
| ochosi | not very inviting to look at | 20:57 |
| knome | the reason why the names are links to begin with is that it brings some required pace to the page (being different color and all) | 20:57 |
| knome | i don't expect them to be super useful... | 20:58 |
| ochosi | right | 20:58 |
| knome | and i don't know if it's a good idea to link to the assignee page either | 20:58 |
| knome | that isn't a logical target | 20:58 |
| ochosi | why not? | 20:58 |
| knome | "this was done by pasi" | 20:58 |
| ochosi | it's within the dev site, showing the contextual info for that assignee | 20:58 |
| knome | then clicking pasi leads you to things he didn't do yet | 20:58 |
| knome | woot | 20:58 |
| knome | also pages like http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-w/u/knome.html are waste of time :P | 20:59 |
| knome | maybe i'm weird, but i don't mind the LP pages | 20:59 |
| knome | sure, it could be a bit less cluttered, but if the description is good, then it's all okay | 21:00 |
| knome | it's a lot of interesting things to look at | 21:00 |
| knome | (yes, i said i might be weird) | 21:00 |
| lderan | (indeed you might be) | 21:00 |
| knome | maybe you hate them so much because your description is so shitty! | 21:00 |
| * knome hides | 21:00 | |
| ochosi | :) | 21:02 |
| knome | we do use LP for dealing with work items anyway | 21:02 |
| ochosi | nah, it's just a lot of things that are hard to grasp at first sight | 21:02 |
| knome | it would be weird if we tried to avoid linking there otherwise | 21:02 |
| knome | sure | 21:02 |
| ochosi | tiny logos for team membership list etc etc | 21:02 |
| knome | but it does really give you the contact information for the person | 21:02 |
| ochosi | and yeah as you said, terribly cluttered | 21:02 |
| ochosi | yes, but in a very cluttered way | 21:03 |
| knome | not as bad as myspace | 21:03 |
| knome | i win | 21:03 |
| ochosi | lol | 21:03 |
| lderan | very few sites are myspace level bad | 21:03 |
| knome | yep | 21:04 |
| knome | nonetheles... | 21:04 |
| knome | +s | 21:04 |
| knome | ochosi, note that when logged in, your own profile page on LP is VERY cluttered with all the edit links | 21:07 |
| knome | it's much better when you look at somebody elses page | 21:07 |
| ochosi | i only see lots of tiny font and tiny ugly icons | 21:09 |
| knome | tiny delicious icons | 21:10 |
| knome | yummy | 21:10 |
| ochosi | you mean "yuck" | 21:10 |
| knome | heeey, don't put words in my mouth | 21:10 |
| knome | or much else either, please. | 21:10 |
| * Unit193 puts some rum there. | 21:10 | |
| knome | that's yummy | 21:11 |
| * lderan adds a scone | 21:11 | |
| knome | ugh | 21:11 |
| lderan | now, before i get destracted by knomes disdain for scones. Any of the items that are unassigned on the tracker I can start looking into? | 21:11 |
| knome | lderan, any of them please :) | 21:12 |
| lderan | distracted*, would help if I could spell correctly | 21:12 |
| knome | ochosi, did you look at the WIP wallpaper on a laptop monitor yet? | 21:12 |
| ochosi | knome: nope, i think you gotta reshare it with me | 21:13 |
| knome | bleh | 21:13 |
| Unit193 | lderan: Or any marked for me. :P | 21:13 |
| lderan | :P | 21:13 |
| knome | now this is cluttered http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-timeline | 21:19 |
| lderan | doesn't look bad to me | 21:21 |
| knome | lderan, you sure you have the latest version? :) | 21:21 |
| lderan | :P | 21:22 |
| knome | it's slightly better when the spec info is last | 21:23 |
| knome | and when it's slightly more opaque | 21:23 |
| ochosi | lderan: in terms of open workitems... | 21:28 |
| ochosi | just check the WIP ones and see which ones look like a match | 21:29 |
| lderan | sure :) | 21:29 |
| ochosi | looking into the parole bug would be good, not sure if you wanna take that on though | 21:30 |
| lderan | shall take a look | 21:34 |
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| ochosi | lderan: feel free to come up with your own workitem though if you can't find a fit ;) (note that we're past FF though) | 21:48 |
| knome | one FF-independent thing would be to hack a better xml-rpc method for me :P | 21:49 |
| lderan | (awww then an xubuntu powered deathstar is out of the queestion) | 21:49 |
| knome | lderan, maybe for 16.04 | 21:49 |
| knome | :P | 21:50 |
| lderan | oo xml-rpc | 21:50 |
| knome | i can tell you more if the word "drupal" doesn't bring (too much) puke to your mouth | 21:50 |
| lderan | have played with drupal before | 21:52 |
| knome | ok, so basically: | 21:52 |
| lderan | as long as it is now magento then im good to go | 21:52 |
| lderan | not* | 21:52 |
| knome | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/view/head:/modules/qatracker/qatracker.xmlrpc.php | 21:52 |
| knome | these are the methods for the xml-rpc interface | 21:52 |
| knome | the actual functions to pull data from the database are at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/files/head:/modules/qatracker/xmlrpc/ | 21:52 |
| knome | these are all kind of handy | 21:53 |
| knome | but ultimately, to be able to pull out the data we want from the tracker is a lot of requests | 21:53 |
| knome | a query like "give me all the active builds for the product X in series Y" would be useful, for example | 21:54 |
| lderan | can see how that would be handy | 21:55 |
| knome | currently it's several queries | 21:55 |
| knome | so... yeah, hacking something like that would be great | 21:55 |
| lderan | will have a look at that as well :) | 21:55 |
| knome | if you are willing to hack on the interface, let's try to sit down with flocculant some day | 21:56 |
| knome | to actually figure out what he wants to see in the status tracker | 21:56 |
| knome | that should help us lay out the exact methods we'd like to have | 21:56 |
| knome | tbh, it doesn't look too hard | 21:56 |
| knome | eg. take http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/view/head:/modules/qatracker/xmlrpc/qatracker.xmlrpc.testcases.php | 21:57 |
| knome | it's settings a bunch of db query parameters | 21:57 |
| knome | then getting the results from the db, and putting them in an array and return them | 21:57 |
| knome | copy-paste level stuff | 21:57 |
| lderan | yeah | 21:58 |
| knome | same with linking that stuff to a new method | 21:58 |
| knome | oh yeah, and one more thing | 21:58 |
| knome | currently you can only give the statuses as integers | 21:59 |
| knome | it would be nice to be able to give them in text | 21:59 |
| lderan | should be fairly simple to allow that | 22:00 |
| knome | yep | 22:00 |
| knome | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/view/head:/modules/qatracker/qatracker.module | 22:00 |
| knome | that's where the arrays for the links are | 22:00 |
| lderan | thank you kindly | 22:00 |
| knome | np | 22:00 |
| bluesabre | lol | 22:02 |
| bluesabre | I agree with !magento | 22:02 |
| knome | bluesabre, wut? | 22:02 |
| knome | heh | 22:02 |
| azzenovic | hello I was wondering how can access the xubuntu qa bug tracker | 23:11 |
| knome | sounds like you are mixing two things | 23:17 |
| knome | do you want the bug tracker or the tracker for QA reports? | 23:17 |
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