[00:28] <another_name> knome: I'm having another issue where I connect a screen and it mis-identifies the available resolution of the screen and when I select the reduced resolution the screen never shows up.
[00:32] <another_name> i should also note this is a different display that I was using before
[00:44] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, ochosi, I noticed that on an install of the 32-bit beta, the LO icons are set to Human. 64-bit install is set to Elementary and both 32 and 64 Live versions are Elementary.
[00:46] <jjfrv8> Also - and this might not be under our control - when you launch the LO meta app from the Office menu, it has Draw, Impress and Base buttons, but they of course do nothing.
[01:12] <bluesabre> jjfrv8: that's interesting (the icons)
[01:13] <bluesabre> as for the meta app, not sure we can do anything there but see if it's been previously reported
[02:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: you about?
[02:26] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi, slickymaster, Unit193: does this look good for release notes?  Sorry if I happened to duplicate effort, but I had a chance to crank it out, so... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes/Beta2/Xubuntu
[02:34] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hi.
[02:34] <bluesabre> Unit193: heyooooo
[02:50] <drc> bluesabre: saw xfce4-sensors-plugin 1.2.6  in New Major application versions...still need to install thru synaptic rather than USC?
[02:51] <bluesabre> drc: dunno, it should be installable via USC, but I haven't tried personally
[02:51] <bluesabre> I'd also expect that major applications list to be trimmed a bit
[02:51] <drc> It hasn't for the past 2 or 4 cycles :(
[02:51] <bluesabre> since most plugins are not particularly major (or really even noteworthy)
[02:51] <bluesabre> well thats no fun
[02:52] <drc> The funy thing is, looking in USC on the LiveUSB finds it, but not on install :)
[02:52] <bluesabre> I can see it in vivid
[02:53] <drc> It's an old bug :(
[02:53] <bluesabre> http://i.imgur.com/n0g48Cl.png
[02:54] <drc> yeah, iirc correctly, once you install from universe (?), it works fine...let me find the bug
[02:55] <bluesabre> alrighty
[02:59] <drc> I've asked about this almost every cycle for a while, so everyone's probably tired of reading about it.
[02:59] <drc> 782057
[02:59] <Unit193> bluesabre: Did you need something?
[02:59] <drc> bug 782057
[02:59] <bluesabre> Unit193: was just wondering if work was already started on release notes and I had just missed it
[03:00] <Unit193> drc: FWIW, we don't touch/manage/control USC.  You can try to annoy -desktop people.
[03:00] <bluesabre> you're generally more away of ongoing work :)
[03:00] <Unit193> bluesabre: Aha, I'm not a release team.
[03:00] <bluesabre> right
[03:00] <bluesabre> I'll assume not then
[03:00] <bluesabre> so....
[03:00] <bluesabre> ochosi: release notes linked above, feel free to make any changes
[03:02] <drc> Unit193: You have to be kidding.  A High/Confirmed/Unassigned bug from 2011 that hasn't been fixed yet?  Fat chance :)
[03:02] <bluesabre> oh, named it the wrong number
[03:02] <drc> Time to quit.  Getting riled (again)
[03:05] <bluesabre> there we go, linked on here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Beta1
[03:07] <bluesabre> ochosi, knome, slickymaster: release notes here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Beta1/Xubuntu -- feel free to make any changes as needed
[03:07] <bluesabre> off to bed, night all
[03:08] <Unit193> G'night.
[08:00] <flexiondotorg> Morning.
[08:01] <flexiondotorg> Just wanted to check how the Beta 1 testing is going.
[08:23] <bluesabre> slow and steady... maybe?
[08:23] <bluesabre> I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, and a few of us have been in and out
[08:26] <bluesabre> it looks like we've got 8/10 mandatory tests done
[08:27] <bluesabre> I'll pull down my xp to do auto-resize
[08:27] <bluesabre> *xp vm
[08:32] <newform8|SM-G386> anyone know what the default password for su is in xubuntu? Google searching couldn't find it for me and many say Ubuntu doesn't give root 
[08:36] <Unit193> !noroot
[08:36] <Unit193> !sudo
[08:40] <newform8|SM-G386> ah got it, yeah I guess I don't need it. thanks for the sudo command info, I've been using that. I just thought it was strange that they Ubuntu wouldn't give one and wondered if xubuntu was different about that.. 
[08:40] <newform8|SM-G386> I won't ask or mention again 
[08:40] <newform8|SM-G386> thanks 
[12:41] <ochosi> bluesabre: those look good to me! and thanks for working on that, i likely wouldn't have found the time
[12:43] <ochosi> bluesabre: we could mention that the gimp was dropped in favor of LO
[12:49] <knome> wait, what?
[12:49] <knome> does that really make sense?
[12:49] <knome> LO isn't a replacement for GIMP
[12:53] <ochosi> well
[12:53] <knome> i wouldn't say so really
[12:54] <ochosi> i wouldn't formulate it verbatim like that
[12:54] <ochosi> but to some extent, gimp was dropped because of LO
[12:54] <knome> gimp was dropped because the team democratically decided we don't want to ship it any more
[12:54] <knome> i wouldn't say so either
[12:54] <knome> i would have voted for dropping gimp even if LO wasn't going to be included
[12:55] <knome> ultimately, making sure there is no room for interpretation like that is the cleanest and best approach IMO
[12:55] <ochosi> sure sure
[12:55] <ochosi> right now we don't even mention gimp, so no worries
[12:55] <knome> whether the ISO size was a motivation to vote this or that, it shouldn't be specifically mentioned
[12:56] <knome> for interested parties: http://open.knome.fi/2015/08/26/compact-style-jquery-api-documentation/
[13:15] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: sorry, won't be able to make the next meeting, 1st day on new job...
[13:17]  * knome slaps ochosi 
[13:17] <knome> excuses!
[13:17] <ochosi> yeah i know... lame!
[13:18] <knome> oh, your job is to develop lame, the mp3 encoder? :P
[13:22] <ochosi> knome: oh wow, that one was lame even by your standards! :)
[13:23] <knome> yeah,
[13:23]  * knome playbacks an out-of-tempo-and-slow rimshot
[13:23] <knome> of course, the audio file is encoded by lame
[13:23] <knome> ba-dummm-tsiiiihhh
[13:35] <slickymasterWork> np ochosi, I'm sure you'll keep up with the bbacklog, afterwards
[13:41] <knome> big brother acklog
[13:42] <knome> ok.
[13:47] <knome> ok, something that might be of more interest to people here: http://open.knome.fi/2015/08/26/series-minor-improvements-ubuntu-websites/
[14:07] <newform8|debian> why is it so hard to choose between debian+xfce and xubuntu  
[14:08] <ochosi> no idea, feels like an obvious choice
[14:08] <ochosi> especially when asking here
[14:08] <knome> newform8|debian, i don't know, but if you want to chat generally, we do have #xubuntu-offtopic for that purpose
[14:09] <newform8|debian> hehe i'll keep my first world problems to myself. thanks for the room recommendation though, i didn't know it was a place
[14:09] <another_name> ochosi: if i
[14:09] <another_name> ochosi: How can I get the debugging info for xfpm-manager?
[14:12] <ochosi> another_name: run "xfce4-power-manager -q && xfce4-power-manager --debug"
[14:12] <ochosi> it highly depends on what you want to debug whether the output will be helpful
[14:16] <another_name> okay, I'm trying to see why closing the lid with a second monitor attached switches the display to primary on the second monitor.
[14:24] <ochosi> right
[15:32] <drc> No daily for 26 Aug, by design?
[15:47] <drc> I see Ubuntu has a daily but kubuntu does not, so yeah, I'm guessing "by design".
[18:06] <azzenovic>  hi I am a long time xubuntu user and I am really fascinated by the xfce tweaks . I was wondering if i can package the xubuntu desktop for debian . I will remove the xubuntu brand of course 
[18:07] <knome> azzenovic, hello here as well
[18:08] <knome> azzenovic, which modifications are you talking exactly?
[18:08] <knome> for example, the greybird theme is available for debian already
[18:10] <azzenovic> I know but mugshot is not in the xfce control center, the same for the theme configuration . the indicator plugin is kinda messy on debian + the lightdm config is a bit different
[18:11] <knome> both mugshot and gtk-theme-config are available for debian
[18:11] <knome> whether they show up in the settings manager is up to their respective desktop files
[18:12] <knome> you should talk with the debian xfce maintainers about that, if they agree they should be included, then with the respective debian package maintainer about tweaking the packages
[18:13] <knome> aiui, there are differences in the indicator plugin in debian and ubuntu that are not related to theming or xubuntu config
[18:14] <knome> either bluesabre or ochosi can tell you more about that, but i'm not sure if the debian side is willing to land certain changes from ubuntu
[18:14] <knome> about lightdm config - what differences are you actually referring to?
[18:15] <azzenovic> I don't think debian policy approves coz debian ships always with the default DE config that's why I am more interested to create a debian spin with the xubuntu look and feel 
[18:15] <knome> right...
[18:16] <knome> personally, i think that's a waste of time and effort - why not point users towards xubuntu?
[18:17] <knome> or alternatively, point users to certain configuration options they can change to make their debian look more like xubuntu
[18:17] <knome> finally, it isn't a simple task - the xubuntu team has put a lot of effort to make everything look and work seamlessly and integrated
[18:19] <azzenovic> the thing is I don't like where ubuntu is heading.. snappy etc otherwise I am really fond of xubuntu and I have been using it for more than years and I am from my xubuntu desktop now 
[18:19] <knome> snappy doesn't affect xubuntu at all
[18:20] <azzenovic> I think it will shortly coz ubuntu is considering to include ubuntu 16.04 and since xubunu is based on it I think it will be affected right ?
[18:21] <knome> no, there will be .deb packaging in the future as well
[18:22] <azzenovic> does that mean no snappy for xubuntu even if ubuntu includes it on the desktop ?
[18:22] <knome> yes.
[18:24] <azzenovic> oh great problem solved then :D I am a happy xubuntu user thx knome 
[18:24] <knome> no problem.
[18:25] <knome> if you have similar doubts in the future, or see somebody else having such, please come (or point them) here so we can clear things out
[18:27] <azzenovic> sure I wanna get involved with the xubuntu community since I have a bit of free time starting this year
[18:27] <knome> great, and thanks for the interest
[18:27] <knome> this is the perfect channel for that
[18:27] <knome> subscribing the development mailing list at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel is a good idea as well
[18:29] <azzenovic> thx :) I wanna run daily builds of xubuntu since I want to dicover the latest features and help with testing and filling bugs 
[18:29] <knome> great! are you familiar with our testing trackers yet
[18:30] <azzenovic> not really but I am flexible (I am a software developer) 
[18:31] <knome> you can read the basics (and more) at http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/
[18:32] <knome> flocculant (the irc nick, not around right now) is our QA lead
[18:32] <knome> and others are able to answer questions too
[18:33] <azzenovic> sure I will contact them as soon as i finish the full documentation 
[19:54] <ochosi> knome: btw, i don't think i will have time to finalise the greybird-a11y workitem. in case you wanna pick it up, i can tell you what's left to ship it
[19:54] <ochosi> or at least i can tell you what i had in mind
[19:55] <knome> probably not realistic for me neither
[19:55] <knome> that said,
[19:55] <knome> please document it in a whiteboard, or somewhere where it's arhived
[19:55] <knome> +c
[19:55] <knome> ...
[19:56] <ochosi> alright, will do
[19:56] <knome> thanks
[19:56] <knome> (it can be a pad too and i can comment today)
[19:57] <knome> http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-checklist
[19:57] <knome> this is obviously a PoC, but it WORKS
[20:01] <ochosi> checklist?
[20:01] <knome> well, look at my work items
[20:01] <knome> and figure out...
[20:01] <knome> and feel free to suggest a better name
[20:02] <knome> also, suggestions on the output formatting welcome
[20:02] <ochosi> so wait, a timeline?
[20:02]  * ochosi is distracted by the tv
[20:02]  * knome slaps ochosi
[20:03] <knome> yeah, kind of
[20:03] <knome> or, you could call it that
[20:03] <knome> so let's do that then.
[20:04] <ochosi> :]
[20:07] <knome> so... ideas about the formatting?
[20:09] <ochosi> grouping by date maybe
[20:09] <ochosi> only mention each date once i mean
[20:09] <knome> i was thinking potentially week/month
[20:09] <ochosi> right
[20:09] <knome> but week is bleh
[20:09] <ochosi> that's fine too
[20:09] <knome> because it's not obvious from the dates
[20:09] <ochosi> just atm it's all on the same day :)
[20:10] <knome> of course.
[20:10] <knome> well, not really
[20:10] <knome> my work items are today, others are yesterday
[20:10] <knome> (for testing purposes)
[20:10] <knome> i'll likely add an "Earlier" category
[20:10] <knome> basically for this cycle
[20:11] <ochosi> yup makes sense
[20:13] <knome> i guess we don't need a table?
[20:13] <knome> just some kind of list
[20:18] <knome> brb
[20:20] <ochosi> yup
[20:20] <ochosi> list should be fine
[20:42] <knome> ochosi, hooray
[20:43] <knome> lookie lookie
[20:43] <ochosi> nnnnice
[20:43] <knome> that wasn't so hard
[20:43] <knome> only one WEEEIRDO mysql query
[20:44] <knome> or do you use the "INSERT INTO ... ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE ... key = CASE WHEN ... THEN ... ELSE ... END" syntax often?
[20:45] <knome> now there's one last thing to do
[20:45] <knome> some db hacking :F
[20:46] <knome> great, that went smoothly as expected
[20:49] <knome> currently showing items per day, let's evaluate that later
[20:53] <ochosi> yeah that sounds like my usual query :>
[20:53] <knome> yep.
[20:53] <knome> i knew i should have asked you for tips on building that!
[20:53] <knome> though it's cool that doing that avoided me from a lot of php code
[20:54] <knome> do we want to link to the blueprint in the timeline?
[20:54] <knome> eg. "Work item description in w-specification finished by Somebody"
[20:55] <knome> (refresh now to see how i'm showing the assignee now, would be sameish)
[20:56] <ochosi> yeah
[20:56] <ochosi> i'd say so
[20:56] <knome> ok
[20:56] <knome> i'll add that
[20:56] <ochosi> also, it's okayish to link to LP on the assignee, but i actually preferred that per-assignee page you had before
[20:57] <ochosi> could bury the LP profile link there
[20:57] <knome> aha
[20:57] <knome> meh
[20:57] <knome> yeah, i've been thinking all this link stuff
[20:57] <ochosi> dunno i just don't like the LP profile pages
[20:57] <ochosi> not very inviting to look at
[20:57] <knome> the reason why the names are links to begin with is that it brings some required pace to the page (being different color and all)
[20:58] <knome> i don't expect them to be super useful...
[20:58] <ochosi> right
[20:58] <knome> and i don't know if it's a good idea to link to the assignee page either
[20:58] <knome> that isn't a logical target
[20:58] <ochosi> why not?
[20:58] <knome> "this was done by pasi"
[20:58] <ochosi> it's within the dev site, showing the contextual info for that assignee
[20:58] <knome> then clicking pasi leads you to things he didn't do yet
[20:58] <knome> woot
[20:59] <knome> also pages like http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-w/u/knome.html are waste of time :P
[20:59] <knome> maybe i'm weird, but i don't mind the LP pages
[21:00] <knome> sure, it could be a bit less cluttered, but if the description is good, then it's all okay
[21:00] <knome> it's a lot of interesting things to look at
[21:00] <knome> (yes, i said i might be weird)
[21:00] <lderan> (indeed you might be)
[21:00] <knome> maybe you hate them so much because your description is so shitty!
[21:00]  * knome hides
[21:02] <ochosi> :)
[21:02] <knome> we do use LP for dealing with work items anyway
[21:02] <ochosi> nah, it's just a lot of things that are hard to grasp at first sight
[21:02] <knome> it would be weird if we tried to avoid linking there otherwise
[21:02] <knome> sure
[21:02] <ochosi> tiny logos for team membership list etc etc
[21:02] <knome> but it does really give you the contact information for the person
[21:02] <ochosi> and yeah as you said, terribly cluttered
[21:03] <ochosi> yes, but in a very cluttered way
[21:03] <knome> not as bad as myspace
[21:03] <knome> i win
[21:03] <ochosi> lol
[21:03] <lderan> very few sites are myspace level bad
[21:04] <knome> yep
[21:04] <knome> nonetheles...
[21:04] <knome> +s
[21:07] <knome> ochosi, note that when logged in, your own profile page on LP is VERY cluttered with all the edit links
[21:07] <knome> it's much better when you look at somebody elses page
[21:09] <ochosi> i only see lots of tiny font and tiny ugly icons
[21:10] <knome> tiny delicious icons
[21:10] <knome> yummy
[21:10] <ochosi> you mean "yuck"
[21:10] <knome> heeey, don't put words in my mouth
[21:10] <knome> or much else either, please.
[21:10]  * Unit193 puts some rum there.
[21:11] <knome> that's yummy
[21:11]  * lderan adds a scone
[21:11] <knome> ugh
[21:11] <lderan> now, before i get destracted by knomes disdain for scones. Any of the items that are unassigned on the tracker I can start looking into?
[21:12] <knome> lderan, any of them please :)
[21:12] <lderan> distracted*, would help if I could spell correctly
[21:12] <knome> ochosi, did you look at the WIP wallpaper on a laptop monitor yet?
[21:13] <ochosi> knome: nope, i think you gotta reshare it with me
[21:13] <knome> bleh
[21:13] <Unit193> lderan: Or any marked for me. :P
[21:13] <lderan> :P
[21:19] <knome> now this is cluttered http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-timeline
[21:21] <lderan> doesn't look bad to me
[21:21] <knome> lderan, you sure you have the latest version? :)
[21:22] <lderan> :P
[21:23] <knome> it's slightly better when the spec info is last
[21:23] <knome> and when it's slightly more opaque
[21:28] <ochosi> lderan: in terms of open workitems...
[21:29] <ochosi> just check the WIP ones and see which ones look like a match
[21:29] <lderan> sure :)
[21:30] <ochosi> looking into the parole bug would be good, not sure if you wanna take that on though
[21:34] <lderan> shall take a look
[21:48] <ochosi> lderan: feel free to come up with your own workitem though if you can't find a fit ;) (note that we're past FF though)
[21:49] <knome> one FF-independent thing would be to hack a better xml-rpc method for me :P
[21:49] <lderan> (awww then an xubuntu powered deathstar is out of the queestion) 
[21:49] <knome> lderan, maybe for 16.04
[21:50] <knome> :P
[21:50] <lderan> oo xml-rpc
[21:50] <knome> i can tell you more if the word "drupal" doesn't bring (too much) puke to your mouth
[21:52] <lderan> have played with drupal before
[21:52] <knome> ok, so basically:
[21:52] <lderan> as long as it is now magento then im good to go
[21:52] <lderan> not*
[21:52] <knome> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/view/head:/modules/qatracker/qatracker.xmlrpc.php
[21:52] <knome> these are the methods for the xml-rpc interface
[21:52] <knome> the actual functions to pull data from the database are at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/files/head:/modules/qatracker/xmlrpc/
[21:53] <knome> these are all kind of handy
[21:53] <knome> but ultimately, to be able to pull out the data we want from the tracker is a lot of requests
[21:54] <knome> a query like "give me all the active builds for the product X in series Y" would be useful, for example
[21:55] <lderan> can see how that would be handy
[21:55] <knome> currently it's several queries
[21:55] <knome> so... yeah, hacking something like that would be great
[21:55] <lderan> will have a look at that as well :)
[21:56] <knome> if you are willing to hack on the interface, let's try to sit down with flocculant some day
[21:56] <knome> to actually figure out what he wants to see in the status tracker
[21:56] <knome> that should help us lay out the exact methods we'd like to have
[21:56] <knome> tbh, it doesn't look too hard
[21:57] <knome> eg. take http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/view/head:/modules/qatracker/xmlrpc/qatracker.xmlrpc.testcases.php
[21:57] <knome> it's settings a bunch of db query parameters
[21:57] <knome> then getting the results from the db, and putting them in an array and return them
[21:57] <knome> copy-paste level stuff
[21:58] <lderan> yeah
[21:58] <knome> same with linking that stuff to a new method
[21:58] <knome> oh yeah, and one more thing
[21:59] <knome> currently you can only give the statuses as integers
[21:59] <knome> it would be nice to be able to give them in text
[22:00] <lderan> should be fairly simple to allow that
[22:00] <knome> yep
[22:00] <knome> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/view/head:/modules/qatracker/qatracker.module
[22:00] <knome> that's where the arrays for the links are
[22:00] <lderan> thank you kindly
[22:00] <knome> np
[22:02] <bluesabre> lol
[22:02] <bluesabre> I agree with !magento
[22:02] <knome> bluesabre, wut?
[22:02] <knome> heh
[23:11] <azzenovic> hello I was wondering how can access the xubuntu qa bug tracker 
[23:17] <knome> sounds like you are mixing two things
[23:17] <knome> do you want the bug tracker or the tracker for QA reports?