[00:28] knome: I'm having another issue where I connect a screen and it mis-identifies the available resolution of the screen and when I select the reduced resolution the screen never shows up. [00:32] i should also note this is a different display that I was using before [00:44] bluesabre, ochosi, I noticed that on an install of the 32-bit beta, the LO icons are set to Human. 64-bit install is set to Elementary and both 32 and 64 Live versions are Elementary. [00:46] Also - and this might not be under our control - when you launch the LO meta app from the Office menu, it has Draw, Impress and Base buttons, but they of course do nothing. [01:12] jjfrv8: that's interesting (the icons) [01:13] as for the meta app, not sure we can do anything there but see if it's been previously reported [02:14] Unit193: you about? [02:26] knome, ochosi, slickymaster, Unit193: does this look good for release notes? Sorry if I happened to duplicate effort, but I had a chance to crank it out, so... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes/Beta2/Xubuntu [02:34] bluesabre: Hi. [02:34] Unit193: heyooooo [02:50] bluesabre: saw xfce4-sensors-plugin 1.2.6 in New Major application versions...still need to install thru synaptic rather than USC? [02:51] drc: dunno, it should be installable via USC, but I haven't tried personally [02:51] I'd also expect that major applications list to be trimmed a bit [02:51] It hasn't for the past 2 or 4 cycles :( [02:51] since most plugins are not particularly major (or really even noteworthy) [02:51] well thats no fun [02:52] The funy thing is, looking in USC on the LiveUSB finds it, but not on install :) [02:52] I can see it in vivid [02:53] It's an old bug :( [02:53] http://i.imgur.com/n0g48Cl.png [02:54] yeah, iirc correctly, once you install from universe (?), it works fine...let me find the bug [02:55] alrighty [02:59] I've asked about this almost every cycle for a while, so everyone's probably tired of reading about it. [02:59] 782057 [02:59] bluesabre: Did you need something? [02:59] bug 782057 [02:59] bug 782057 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Sofware center fails to automatically enable universe repository" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/782057 [02:59] Unit193: was just wondering if work was already started on release notes and I had just missed it [03:00] drc: FWIW, we don't touch/manage/control USC. You can try to annoy -desktop people. [03:00] you're generally more away of ongoing work :) [03:00] bluesabre: Aha, I'm not a release team. [03:00] right [03:00] I'll assume not then [03:00] so.... [03:00] ochosi: release notes linked above, feel free to make any changes [03:02] Unit193: You have to be kidding. A High/Confirmed/Unassigned bug from 2011 that hasn't been fixed yet? Fat chance :) [03:02] oh, named it the wrong number [03:02] Time to quit. Getting riled (again) [03:05] there we go, linked on here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Beta1 [03:07] ochosi, knome, slickymaster: release notes here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Beta1/Xubuntu -- feel free to make any changes as needed [03:07] off to bed, night all [03:08] G'night. [08:00] Morning. [08:01] Just wanted to check how the Beta 1 testing is going. [08:23] slow and steady... maybe? [08:23] I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, and a few of us have been in and out [08:26] it looks like we've got 8/10 mandatory tests done [08:27] I'll pull down my xp to do auto-resize [08:27] *xp vm [08:32] anyone know what the default password for su is in xubuntu? Google searching couldn't find it for me and many say Ubuntu doesn't give root [08:36] !noroot [08:36] We do not support setting a root password. You're free to do it on your own machine, but please don't offer instructions on how to set a root password or ask for help with setting it. See !root and !wfm for more information. [08:36] !sudo [08:36] sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !pkexec (for older releases: !gksu and !kdesudo). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo [08:40] ah got it, yeah I guess I don't need it. thanks for the sudo command info, I've been using that. I just thought it was strange that they Ubuntu wouldn't give one and wondered if xubuntu was different about that.. [08:40] I won't ask or mention again [08:40] thanks [12:41] bluesabre: those look good to me! and thanks for working on that, i likely wouldn't have found the time [12:43] bluesabre: we could mention that the gimp was dropped in favor of LO [12:49] wait, what? [12:49] does that really make sense? [12:49] LO isn't a replacement for GIMP [12:53] well [12:53] i wouldn't say so really [12:54] i wouldn't formulate it verbatim like that [12:54] but to some extent, gimp was dropped because of LO [12:54] gimp was dropped because the team democratically decided we don't want to ship it any more [12:54] i wouldn't say so either [12:54] i would have voted for dropping gimp even if LO wasn't going to be included [12:55] ultimately, making sure there is no room for interpretation like that is the cleanest and best approach IMO [12:55] sure sure [12:55] right now we don't even mention gimp, so no worries [12:55] whether the ISO size was a motivation to vote this or that, it shouldn't be specifically mentioned [12:56] for interested parties: http://open.knome.fi/2015/08/26/compact-style-jquery-api-documentation/ [13:15] slickymasterWork: sorry, won't be able to make the next meeting, 1st day on new job... [13:17] * knome slaps ochosi [13:17] excuses! [13:17] yeah i know... lame! [13:18] oh, your job is to develop lame, the mp3 encoder? :P [13:22] knome: oh wow, that one was lame even by your standards! :) [13:23] yeah, [13:23] * knome playbacks an out-of-tempo-and-slow rimshot [13:23] of course, the audio file is encoded by lame [13:23] ba-dummm-tsiiiihhh [13:35] np ochosi, I'm sure you'll keep up with the bbacklog, afterwards [13:41] big brother acklog [13:42] ok. [13:47] ok, something that might be of more interest to people here: http://open.knome.fi/2015/08/26/series-minor-improvements-ubuntu-websites/ [14:07] why is it so hard to choose between debian+xfce and xubuntu [14:08] no idea, feels like an obvious choice [14:08] especially when asking here [14:08] newform8|debian, i don't know, but if you want to chat generally, we do have #xubuntu-offtopic for that purpose [14:09] hehe i'll keep my first world problems to myself. thanks for the room recommendation though, i didn't know it was a place [14:09] ochosi: if i [14:09] ochosi: How can I get the debugging info for xfpm-manager? [14:12] another_name: run "xfce4-power-manager -q && xfce4-power-manager --debug" [14:12] it highly depends on what you want to debug whether the output will be helpful [14:16] okay, I'm trying to see why closing the lid with a second monitor attached switches the display to primary on the second monitor. [14:24] right [15:32] No daily for 26 Aug, by design? [15:47] I see Ubuntu has a daily but kubuntu does not, so yeah, I'm guessing "by design". [18:06] hi I am a long time xubuntu user and I am really fascinated by the xfce tweaks . I was wondering if i can package the xubuntu desktop for debian . I will remove the xubuntu brand of course [18:07] azzenovic, hello here as well [18:08] azzenovic, which modifications are you talking exactly? [18:08] for example, the greybird theme is available for debian already [18:10] I know but mugshot is not in the xfce control center, the same for the theme configuration . the indicator plugin is kinda messy on debian + the lightdm config is a bit different [18:11] both mugshot and gtk-theme-config are available for debian [18:11] whether they show up in the settings manager is up to their respective desktop files [18:12] you should talk with the debian xfce maintainers about that, if they agree they should be included, then with the respective debian package maintainer about tweaking the packages [18:13] aiui, there are differences in the indicator plugin in debian and ubuntu that are not related to theming or xubuntu config [18:14] either bluesabre or ochosi can tell you more about that, but i'm not sure if the debian side is willing to land certain changes from ubuntu [18:14] about lightdm config - what differences are you actually referring to? [18:15] I don't think debian policy approves coz debian ships always with the default DE config that's why I am more interested to create a debian spin with the xubuntu look and feel [18:15] right... [18:16] personally, i think that's a waste of time and effort - why not point users towards xubuntu? [18:17] or alternatively, point users to certain configuration options they can change to make their debian look more like xubuntu [18:17] finally, it isn't a simple task - the xubuntu team has put a lot of effort to make everything look and work seamlessly and integrated [18:19] the thing is I don't like where ubuntu is heading.. snappy etc otherwise I am really fond of xubuntu and I have been using it for more than years and I am from my xubuntu desktop now [18:19] snappy doesn't affect xubuntu at all [18:20] I think it will shortly coz ubuntu is considering to include ubuntu 16.04 and since xubunu is based on it I think it will be affected right ? [18:21] no, there will be .deb packaging in the future as well [18:22] does that mean no snappy for xubuntu even if ubuntu includes it on the desktop ? [18:22] yes. [18:24] oh great problem solved then :D I am a happy xubuntu user thx knome [18:24] no problem. [18:25] if you have similar doubts in the future, or see somebody else having such, please come (or point them) here so we can clear things out [18:27] sure I wanna get involved with the xubuntu community since I have a bit of free time starting this year [18:27] great, and thanks for the interest [18:27] this is the perfect channel for that [18:27] subscribing the development mailing list at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel is a good idea as well [18:29] thx :) I wanna run daily builds of xubuntu since I want to dicover the latest features and help with testing and filling bugs [18:29] great! are you familiar with our testing trackers yet [18:30] not really but I am flexible (I am a software developer) [18:31] you can read the basics (and more) at http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/ [18:32] flocculant (the irc nick, not around right now) is our QA lead [18:32] and others are able to answer questions too [18:33] sure I will contact them as soon as i finish the full documentation [19:54] knome: btw, i don't think i will have time to finalise the greybird-a11y workitem. in case you wanna pick it up, i can tell you what's left to ship it [19:54] or at least i can tell you what i had in mind [19:55] probably not realistic for me neither [19:55] that said, [19:55] please document it in a whiteboard, or somewhere where it's arhived [19:55] +c [19:55] ... [19:56] alright, will do [19:56] thanks [19:56] (it can be a pad too and i can comment today) [19:57] http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-checklist [19:57] this is obviously a PoC, but it WORKS [20:01] checklist? [20:01] well, look at my work items [20:01] and figure out... [20:01] and feel free to suggest a better name [20:02] also, suggestions on the output formatting welcome [20:02] so wait, a timeline? [20:02] * ochosi is distracted by the tv [20:02] * knome slaps ochosi [20:03] yeah, kind of [20:03] or, you could call it that [20:03] so let's do that then. [20:04] :] [20:07] so... ideas about the formatting? [20:09] grouping by date maybe [20:09] only mention each date once i mean [20:09] i was thinking potentially week/month [20:09] right [20:09] but week is bleh [20:09] that's fine too [20:09] because it's not obvious from the dates [20:09] just atm it's all on the same day :) [20:10] of course. [20:10] well, not really [20:10] my work items are today, others are yesterday [20:10] (for testing purposes) [20:10] i'll likely add an "Earlier" category [20:10] basically for this cycle [20:11] yup makes sense [20:13] i guess we don't need a table? [20:13] just some kind of list [20:18] brb [20:20] yup [20:20] list should be fine [20:42] ochosi, hooray [20:43] lookie lookie [20:43] nnnnice [20:43] that wasn't so hard [20:43] only one WEEEIRDO mysql query [20:44] or do you use the "INSERT INTO ... ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE ... key = CASE WHEN ... THEN ... ELSE ... END" syntax often? [20:45] now there's one last thing to do [20:45] some db hacking :F [20:46] great, that went smoothly as expected [20:49] currently showing items per day, let's evaluate that later [20:53] yeah that sounds like my usual query :> [20:53] yep. [20:53] i knew i should have asked you for tips on building that! [20:53] though it's cool that doing that avoided me from a lot of php code [20:54] do we want to link to the blueprint in the timeline? [20:54] eg. "Work item description in w-specification finished by Somebody" [20:55] (refresh now to see how i'm showing the assignee now, would be sameish) [20:56] yeah [20:56] i'd say so [20:56] ok [20:56] i'll add that [20:56] also, it's okayish to link to LP on the assignee, but i actually preferred that per-assignee page you had before [20:57] could bury the LP profile link there [20:57] aha [20:57] meh [20:57] yeah, i've been thinking all this link stuff [20:57] dunno i just don't like the LP profile pages [20:57] not very inviting to look at [20:57] the reason why the names are links to begin with is that it brings some required pace to the page (being different color and all) [20:58] i don't expect them to be super useful... [20:58] right [20:58] and i don't know if it's a good idea to link to the assignee page either [20:58] that isn't a logical target [20:58] why not? [20:58] "this was done by pasi" [20:58] it's within the dev site, showing the contextual info for that assignee [20:58] then clicking pasi leads you to things he didn't do yet [20:58] woot [20:59] also pages like http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-w/u/knome.html are waste of time :P [20:59] maybe i'm weird, but i don't mind the LP pages [21:00] sure, it could be a bit less cluttered, but if the description is good, then it's all okay [21:00] it's a lot of interesting things to look at [21:00] (yes, i said i might be weird) [21:00] (indeed you might be) [21:00] maybe you hate them so much because your description is so shitty! [21:00] * knome hides [21:02] :) [21:02] we do use LP for dealing with work items anyway [21:02] nah, it's just a lot of things that are hard to grasp at first sight [21:02] it would be weird if we tried to avoid linking there otherwise [21:02] sure [21:02] tiny logos for team membership list etc etc [21:02] but it does really give you the contact information for the person [21:02] and yeah as you said, terribly cluttered [21:03] yes, but in a very cluttered way [21:03] not as bad as myspace [21:03] i win [21:03] lol [21:03] very few sites are myspace level bad [21:04] yep [21:04] nonetheles... [21:04] +s [21:07] ochosi, note that when logged in, your own profile page on LP is VERY cluttered with all the edit links [21:07] it's much better when you look at somebody elses page [21:09] i only see lots of tiny font and tiny ugly icons [21:10] tiny delicious icons [21:10] yummy [21:10] you mean "yuck" [21:10] heeey, don't put words in my mouth [21:10] or much else either, please. [21:10] * Unit193 puts some rum there. [21:11] that's yummy [21:11] * lderan adds a scone [21:11] ugh [21:11] now, before i get destracted by knomes disdain for scones. Any of the items that are unassigned on the tracker I can start looking into? [21:12] lderan, any of them please :) [21:12] distracted*, would help if I could spell correctly [21:12] ochosi, did you look at the WIP wallpaper on a laptop monitor yet? [21:13] knome: nope, i think you gotta reshare it with me [21:13] bleh [21:13] lderan: Or any marked for me. :P [21:13] :P [21:19] now this is cluttered http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-timeline [21:21] doesn't look bad to me [21:21] lderan, you sure you have the latest version? :) [21:22] :P [21:23] it's slightly better when the spec info is last [21:23] and when it's slightly more opaque [21:28] lderan: in terms of open workitems... [21:29] just check the WIP ones and see which ones look like a match [21:29] sure :) [21:30] looking into the parole bug would be good, not sure if you wanna take that on though [21:34] shall take a look === blaze is now known as Guest72851 [21:48] lderan: feel free to come up with your own workitem though if you can't find a fit ;) (note that we're past FF though) [21:49] one FF-independent thing would be to hack a better xml-rpc method for me :P [21:49] (awww then an xubuntu powered deathstar is out of the queestion) [21:49] lderan, maybe for 16.04 [21:50] :P [21:50] oo xml-rpc [21:50] i can tell you more if the word "drupal" doesn't bring (too much) puke to your mouth [21:52] have played with drupal before [21:52] ok, so basically: [21:52] as long as it is now magento then im good to go [21:52] not* [21:52] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/view/head:/modules/qatracker/qatracker.xmlrpc.php [21:52] these are the methods for the xml-rpc interface [21:52] the actual functions to pull data from the database are at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/files/head:/modules/qatracker/xmlrpc/ [21:53] these are all kind of handy [21:53] but ultimately, to be able to pull out the data we want from the tracker is a lot of requests [21:54] a query like "give me all the active builds for the product X in series Y" would be useful, for example [21:55] can see how that would be handy [21:55] currently it's several queries [21:55] so... yeah, hacking something like that would be great [21:55] will have a look at that as well :) [21:56] if you are willing to hack on the interface, let's try to sit down with flocculant some day [21:56] to actually figure out what he wants to see in the status tracker [21:56] that should help us lay out the exact methods we'd like to have [21:56] tbh, it doesn't look too hard [21:57] eg. take http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/view/head:/modules/qatracker/xmlrpc/qatracker.xmlrpc.testcases.php [21:57] it's settings a bunch of db query parameters [21:57] then getting the results from the db, and putting them in an array and return them [21:57] copy-paste level stuff [21:58] yeah [21:58] same with linking that stuff to a new method [21:58] oh yeah, and one more thing [21:59] currently you can only give the statuses as integers [21:59] it would be nice to be able to give them in text [22:00] should be fairly simple to allow that [22:00] yep [22:00] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/view/head:/modules/qatracker/qatracker.module [22:00] that's where the arrays for the links are [22:00] thank you kindly [22:00] np [22:02] lol [22:02] I agree with !magento [22:02] bluesabre, wut? [22:02] heh [23:11] hello I was wondering how can access the xubuntu qa bug tracker [23:17] sounds like you are mixing two things [23:17] do you want the bug tracker or the tracker for QA reports?