[00:30] <flexiondotorg> How goes the Kubuntu testing?
[00:42] <mparillo> The ISOs seem to install fine, but after a while and a couple of re-boots, I get: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351805
[00:43] <mparillo> Feel free to add your results here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/345/builds
[00:45]  * ahoneybun starts his tests
[00:47] <mparillo> When the fix to launchpad bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1488843 lands, I will test the upgrade from Vivid.
[00:49] <TJ-> Is it only me that finds when the ISO starts and the keyboard symbol is at bottom of screen, there's no way to bring up the language menu ?
[01:01] <ahoneybun> just a little weird that I have half oxygen icons
[01:04] <ahoneybun> finished my test for entire disk
[01:04] <ahoneybun> PASSED
[03:11] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: could you tell if you think digikam is stable enough to be moved to the backport-ppa?
[05:33] <sitter> Riddell: 
[05:33] <sitter> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-commits/2015-August/086333.html
[05:33] <sitter> |
[05:33] <sitter> v
[05:33] <sitter> http://i.imgur.com/C5z6bS4.jpg
[05:34] <bshah> RIP thread..
[05:52] <sitter> Riddell: one of those look pretty much like any-depends-any http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kcontacts.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive&id=5c930a6c3716c1541843bd3de4f4390dda3fba18 
[06:05] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I've tested digikam only a bit. It seems to work. I haven't encountered any issues so far
[06:11] <soee> good morning
[06:22] <ovidiu-florin> morning soee
[06:23] <ovidiu-florin> soee: do you see any urgent thigs that need to be done on the website before I ask the sysadmins to launch it today?
[06:29] <soee> ovidiu-florin: link please, dont have it here at work
[06:29] <ovidiu-florin> https://www-new.kubuntu.org/
[06:32] <soee> ovidiu-florin: https://www-new.kubuntu.org/community/ i woudl put thissocial media widgets each in own column
[06:32] <soee> so do 3 equal columns and put widget inside
[06:33] <soee> ovidiu-florin: are you sure you want to put into footer Meta menu links to login and register pages ?
[06:34] <ovidiu-florin> register should not be there
[06:36] <soee> other things look good. there could be some styles adjustments where images (icons) are not aligned with text properly but you can skip it for now i think
[06:36] <ovidiu-florin> register disabled
[06:36] <ovidiu-florin> again
[06:37] <ovidiu-florin> Login is ok IMO
[06:38] <soee> ah btw. this banner on homepage could be a bit wider to fit at least 1920px screens
[06:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:38] <soee> ah in fact it is wider
[06:38] <soee> but it scale to geight
[06:38] <soee> *height
[06:38] <soee> good mornign lordievader
[06:40] <lordievader> Hey soee 
[06:51] <ovidiu-florin> soee: https://www-new.kubuntu.org/community/
[06:53] <lordievader> IMO: The social-media thing looks a bit disorganized.
[06:53] <ovidiu-florin> it is
[06:53] <lordievader> But that is a minor detail. The rest of the website looks great.
[06:54] <ovidiu-florin> because they don't provide standardized widgets
[06:54] <ovidiu-florin> each one has it's own crap
[06:54] <ovidiu-florin> those pages need to be rdone completely
[06:54] <ovidiu-florin> but I feel that if we don't launch the site, there won't be enough motivation in the community for those to be redone
[06:55] <ovidiu-florin> I can make them if someone gives me the content and design
[06:55] <ovidiu-florin> and the social things....
[06:55] <ovidiu-florin> I'd get rid of the feeds, and only add badges
[06:57] <lordievader> I think making them all a similar size helps.
[06:59] <ovidiu-florin> they are supposed to be simmilar size
[06:59] <ovidiu-florin> I have them encapsulated
[07:00] <ovidiu-florin> but they run some weird JS that breaks everything
[07:00] <lordievader> Yes, you probably need to run your own JS to fix their breakage.
[07:00] <ovidiu-florin> it's ok if you use only that one
[07:01] <ovidiu-florin> maybe there's a widget that can integrate them all
[07:24] <sitter> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12204024/ is this going to get fixed or do I get to make a list every day for the rest of my life now?
[08:01] <sitter> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel: review plz http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/frameworks/kactivities.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable_module_rename&id=65ab8ab9db82a68d40917f611c518c923f41d20b
[08:21] <Riddell> sitter: hmm, I wonder if the epoch is still hidden in the unstable branches, I'll check
[08:23] <sitter> Riddell: the conflicting versions are from <=19th so I doubt it
[08:23] <sitter> it's an archive problem not a changelog one
[08:49] <Riddell> sitter: packages removed
[09:13] <sitter> Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/wily_unstable_kcontacts/13/parsed_console/
[09:13] <lordievader> \o/
[09:21] <Riddell> sitter: this lintian just doesn't know what it wants!
[09:25] <sitter> Riddell: no your commit is just wrong
[09:25] <sitter> see backlog
[09:26] <sitter> also NMU is ignored by KCI FWIW so status page probably should as well
[09:34] <sitter> Riddell: review plz http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kdepimlibs.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_stable_bin&id=adc704937b7f77d4a46488c8fcf76f6166f5f5b7
[09:35] <sitter> Mirv: 
[09:36] <sitter> CMake Warning at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/Qt5Declarative/Qt5DeclarativeConfig.cmake:100 (find_package):
[09:36] <sitter>   Could not find a package configuration file provided by "Qt5Script"
[09:38] <sitter> Riddell: kross-interpreters will apparently fail to backport on account of weird python stuff http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_kross-interpreters/
[09:38] <sitter> actually probably a cmake bug
[09:43] <soee> Riddell: did you had time to take a look at kde4libs i think, related to my issue: libstreamanalyzer0 : Depends: libclucene-core1 (>= 2.3.3.4) but it is not installable ?
[10:02] <Mirv> sitter: I haven't used Qt Quick 1, but depending on how big component is in question one should anyway find out how to port to Qt 5 proper soon, Qt Quick 1 is already deprecated in Qt 5.5
[10:03] <Mirv> even though off-topic from the CMake problem of course
[10:03] <flexiondotorg> lordievader, Riddell ScottK Are you Beta 1 release notes in order.
[10:03] <flexiondotorg> All the flavours are now marked ready.
[10:03] <sitter> Mirv: I think it is ported but that is legacy support or something
[10:03]  * sitter doesn't quite comprehend qtgstreamer
[10:03] <Mirv> ok
[10:04] <lordievader> flexiondotorg: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/WilyWerewolf/Beta1/Kubuntu Looks okay to me, but Riddell should give the 'OK
[10:05] <flexiondotorg> lordievader, Yep. Saw those. Just doing the round and checking with everyone.
[10:05] <sitter> Riddell: I am attempting to stage libindi 1.0 transition here https://launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages
[10:05] <sitter> kstars wants indi1
[10:05] <sitter> and we could potentially do a fakesync + 2 rebuilds to get it landed
[10:30] <sitter> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkolab/+bug/1489392
[10:39] <clivejo> does kubuntu/kde not have a donor/sponsorship prgram? 
[10:41] <soee> http://www.kubuntu.org/donate
[10:41] <sitter> nah
[10:41] <sitter> https://relate.kde.org/
[10:41] <sitter> donations to KDE have more direct impact
[10:42] <clivejo> Ive seen other project with pledge per feature
[10:42] <clivejo> and I love the idea
[10:43] <clivejo> sometimes people want to direct their money to certain things
[10:43] <sitter> I seem to remember something like that which didn't quite work out as well
[10:43] <clivejo> for my KDE Connect is a feature I want to see improved
[10:44] <sitter> clivejo: donate to KDE :P
[10:44] <clivejo> I do
[10:44] <sitter> there are all sorts of social problems with purpose driven donations
[10:44] <clivejo> I donated to the Randa drive
[10:44] <clivejo> which I see you are number 2 on the list :)
[10:45] <clivejo> I would usually do it Anonymous
[10:45]  * sitter forgot to tick box :P
[10:46] <clivejo> I did consider it!
[10:46] <clivejo> but I seen your name on there!
[10:47] <sitter> world famous because we are mentioned on a website (:
[10:47] <clivejo> just hope KDE Connect gets some love and attention :)
[10:48] <soee> isn't it one of the Rhanda 2015 topics ?
[10:48] <sitter> yup
[10:49] <clivejo> soee: yeah it is
[10:49] <soee> well, so it should get some love :-)
[10:50] <clivejo> hope so
[10:50] <clivejo> its a great tool for me
[10:51] <soee> for all of us i think
[10:52] <soee> but for me priority is rock solid Plasma 5 + rock solid apps like kmail :)
[10:52] <clivejo> soee: see thats why I think a pledge for features system would be a good idea
[10:52] <soee> and somewhere in my dreams i hope this ugly skyp icon will be changed
[10:53] <soee> but then, there might be very good ideas but not many would support them
[10:53] <clivejo> isnt it a Microsoft trademark?
[10:53] <soee> clivejo: it is
[10:54] <clivejo> LOL
[10:54] <clivejo> but surely thats for people to decide
[10:54] <clivejo> Im sure Canonical think Unity is a "good idea"
[10:54] <soee> ;D
[10:55] <clivejo> but for me, Id pay to get rid of it!
[10:55] <soee> i don't care, i do not use it and never did
[10:56] <soee> i think KDE was always my distro (there were experiments with others few years ago, but in teh end ... kde)
[10:59] <clivejo> I also think a feedback tool in the Muon Discover would be good idea
[10:59] <clivejo> even a donate button there would be nice
[11:00] <soee> clivejo: sure but first Discover shoudl get some love with its gui/UI/UX
[11:01] <clivejo> indeed
[11:01] <Riddell> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kdepimlibs.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_stable_bin&id=adc704937b7f77d4a46488c8fcf76f6166f5f5b7 seems fine sitter
[11:01] <clivejo> its a bit ugly,bless its wee cotton socks!
[11:01] <soee> i think VDG did some proposals for it
[11:01] <clivejo> a GUI only a mother could love
[11:02] <Riddell> soee: kde4libs is uploaded and in wily-proposed but it's stuck there due to beta freeze
[11:02] <sitter> kdepimlibs integrating
[11:02] <Riddell> flexiondotorg: release notes a good yes
[11:03] <soee> clivejo: but when you mentioned it ... maybe i find some time to design on paper some new concepts for Discover
[11:03] <clivejo> soee: are you going to Randa?
[11:03] <soee> Discover is a part of Applications or it is separate project ?
[11:03] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, Thanks.
[11:03] <soee> clivejo: nope, this year = no travels for me
[11:03] <clivejo> soee: I dont know, I rarely use it
[11:03] <Riddell> sitter: libindi, brave man
[11:04] <clivejo> on the international no fly list?
[11:04] <Riddell> sitter: libkolab is approved by pitti thanks
[11:05] <clivejo> eakkk "Oh no! You're suspected of having broken merger_kdepimlibs"
[11:05] <soee> Riddell: where can i find deb file for amd64 with this updated kde4libs ?
[11:06] <sitter> Riddell: indi looks good if we consider it worth FFeing for
[11:06] <sitter> can do a sync from debian and rebuild the rdeps
[11:07] <Riddell> soee: just enable wily-proposed
[11:07] <clivejo> sitter Riddell: what did I do?
[11:07] <Riddell> sitter: yes please
[11:07] <Riddell> clivejo: spookily I got the same message about kdepimlibs
[11:07] <sitter> twas me
[11:07] <Riddell> clivejo: but it looks good now http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kdepimlibs/
[11:08]  * clivejo wipes sweat off brow
[11:10] <soee> Riddell: after enabling proposed and trying full-upgrade i have only this error: libstreamanalyzer0 : Depends: libclucene-core1 (>= 2.3.3.4) but it is not installable
[11:11] <Riddell> soee:  apt-cache rdepends libstreamanalyzer0?
[11:11] <sitter> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libindi/+bug/1489411
[11:11] <sitter> libkolab almost ready
[11:11] <Riddell> soee: confirmed!
[11:11] <Riddell> nopt
[11:12] <Riddell> nope
[11:12] <Riddell> sitter: confirmed!
[11:12] <soee> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12205056/
[11:12] <sitter> Riddell: do we need a separate ticket for sync from debian?
[11:12] <soee> maybe i shoudl reinstall some package ?
[11:13] <Riddell> sitter: not really
[11:13] <Riddell> sitter: you can just run /usr/bin/syncpackage I think
[11:14] <sitter> uh
[11:14] <sitter> magic
[11:15] <sitter> well, kolab first
[11:17] <soee> erkh, E: Unable to locate package kde4libs
[11:21] <yofel> that's the source, you want one of the 20 or so binaries
[11:23] <soee> oO
[11:26]  * sitter wonders why libkolab refuses to build against 15.08 kmime -.-
[11:30] <sitter> Riddell: indi transition uploaded
[11:30] <Riddell> yay
[11:31] <mparillo> Is plasma-netbook ever coming back? If not, I can close as won't fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons/+bug/1066861
[11:46] <soee> meh :/ kdelibs5-plugins : Depends: kdelibs5-data (= 4:4.14.8-4~ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1) but 4:4.14.11-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[11:50] <soee> why it wants old packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/12205174/ ?
[11:51] <Riddell> mparillo: it's dead indeed
[12:04] <sitter> Riddell: plz review http://paste.ubuntu.com/12205221/
[12:05] <sitter> diff to debian master
[12:06] <Riddell> sitter: looking good
[12:07] <soee> Riddell: any idea what is goind on with my deps ? see my link above
[12:08] <Riddell> soee: apt remove libstreamanalyzer0  may help
[12:08] <Riddell> or apt -f install
[12:08] <Riddell> or both
[12:10] <soee> Riddell: both will fail :)
[12:10] <soee> oh no wait, -f install might do something
[12:11] <soee> but with proposed enabled there is thi sproblem it wants to remove:
[12:11] <soee> akregator amarok amarok-utils apturl-kde baloo-utils k3b k3b-i18n kde-runtime kde-telepathy-declarative kdeconnect kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdesudo kio-audiocd kmix knotes
[12:11] <soee>   krdc ksnapshot ksystemlog ktorrent kubuntu-desktop language-pack-kde-en libktpcommoninternalsprivate8 libktploggerprivate8 libktpmodelsprivate8 libktpwidgetsprivate8
[12:11] <soee>   libplasma3 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libtag-extras1 libtag1c2a okular plasma-scriptengine-javascript python3-pykde4 rsibreak skanlite ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt yakuake
[12:11] <soee> ugm, sorry for that, should be pastbin
[12:23] <sitter> Riddell:   Uploading libkolab_1.0.0-0ubuntu1.dsc: done.
[12:24] <sitter> should get through on its own since it has no rdeps right now I think
[12:38] <claydoh> what is it  with the articles on how to install plasma 5.4 in Vivid? Surely it can't be for tyhe clickbait factor, right?
[12:39] <Riddell> claydoh: which articles?
[12:40] <claydoh> Riddell: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/08/install-kde-plasma-plasma-5-4
[12:40] <claydoh> and http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/08/plasma-5-4-new-features
[12:42] <clivejo> how is it coming ?
[12:43] <clivejo> plasma-nm seems to be still broken on wily?
[12:46] <clivejo> thats not plasma5.4 though
[12:47] <clivejo> kubuntu-ppa/backports only has plasma 5.3.2
[12:49] <clivejo> claydoh: Here is the current status of Plasma 5.4 on wily - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.4.0_wily.html 
[12:50] <claydoh> clivejo: I know, but that doesn't stop people from putting out articles that get people all excited and then......nada lol!
[12:50] <clivejo> true
[12:52] <clivejo> someone should inform the author - https://plus.google.com/+joeysneddon/posts
[13:10] <Riddell> "once it lands in the Kubuntu Backports PPA"
[13:10] <Riddell> hmm
[13:10] <Riddell> I guess the pressure is on to get it there
[13:11] <Riddell> trouble is it's blocked in wily by gcc transition, beta freeze and network-manager breakage
[13:11] <clivejo> didnt I hear sgclark wont be working on backports for a while?
[13:13] <Riddell> quite possibly
[13:13] <Riddell> sgclark: you off backports for a while?
[13:16] <clivejo> Riddell: any progress on the plasma 5.4 nm issue?
[13:25] <BluesKaj_> Hiyas all
[13:26] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj_
[13:26] <BluesKaj_> hey clivejo
[13:27] <soee> there other package formats liek rpm etc. is it any eaiser to package them than debs 
[13:27] <soee> or it is the same road
[13:43] <shadeslayer> soee: lol
[13:43] <shadeslayer> spec files are sooooo fucked
[13:44] <shadeslayer> PKGBUILDS are somewhat saner, but forego all the awesome stuff that debs provide
[13:44] <shadeslayer> like symbol files
[13:44] <shadeslayer> also, PKGBUILDS are, afaict, not machine parsable
[13:44] <bshah> o..O
[13:45] <shadeslayer> or well, a bit hard
[13:46] <shadeslayer> bshah: well yeah : source=("http://www.server.tld/${pkgname}-${pkgver}.tar.gz"
[13:46] <shadeslayer>         "foo.desktop") < that's a tad bit difficult to parse isn't it
[13:46] <bshah> what about just sourcing pkgbuild and get over with it?
[13:47] <bshah> (I do it in lot of my scripts)
[13:47] <bshah> but yeah if you want to do in another language.. i see your pain
[13:47]  * shadeslayer ponders how that'd work in Ruby
[13:47] <bshah> yes
[13:47] <bshah> PKGBUILD have no style defined
[13:48] <shadeslayer> well, it's basically bash :P
[13:48] <bshah> on other hand... there is solution to problem
[13:48] <bshah> there is mksrcinfo tool
[13:48] <bshah> which generates SRCINFO file
[13:48] <bshah> it is machine parsable
[13:48] <shadeslayer> mmhm
[13:49] <shadeslayer> bshah: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/ci-tooling.git/tree/lib/debian < various Debian file parsers
[13:49] <bshah> for instance : http://ix.io/kuG
[13:49] <shadeslayer> bshah: that does look alot saner
[13:50] <shadeslayer> though then you don't have unique fields from what I see :P
[13:50] <bshah> yes.. some fields are not supposed to be unique
[13:51] <bshah> you have to iterate either way
[13:51] <bshah> even if it is put in one field or repeated
[13:52] <shadeslayer> yeah, not a big deal
[13:52] <shadeslayer> I think rpmspecs are the worst though :P
[13:52] <soee> what arch uses ?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> soee: PKGBUILD's
[13:53] <bshah> PKGBUILD
[13:53] <soee> and fedora, suse ?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> soee: spec files
[13:53] <bshah> they use rpmspec IIRC
[13:53] <soee> gosh, this is to complicated for me :)
[13:53] <shadeslayer> you should talk to dvratil about parsing spec files xD
[13:54] <soee> and how doifferent this snappy packages are from debs etc. ?
[13:55] <bshah> why you want to parse spec files?
[13:55]  * bshah misses context
[13:55] <shadeslayer> bshah: for scripting purposes
[13:55] <shadeslayer> automated builds and what not
[13:56] <shadeslayer> for eg. updating frameworks would  be a single command
[13:56] <bshah> ah
[13:56] <shadeslayer> ( next step would be to make CI do it )
[13:56] <shadeslayer> basically, eliminate the human factor of introducing errors :P
[13:56] <bshah> I would so so be interested in arch CI
[13:56] <bshah> :P
[13:56] <shadeslayer> get parsable PKGBUILD's first :P
[13:57]  * shadeslayer is pondering about setting up his own britney
[13:58] <shadeslayer> Actually, I could even rewrite Britney in Ruby
[13:58] <shadeslayer> :p
[13:58] <shadeslayer> and make it better
[13:58] <shadeslayer> with a proper config
[14:15] <Riddell> clivejo: no progress on nm as far as I know
[14:15] <Riddell> cyphermox: any progress on nm and plasma-workspace?
[14:17] <clivejo> I mentioned it in #plasma and sebas suggested adding libnm-qt as a build dep, but I tried a rebuild and its still failing ove nm-core-enum-types.h
[14:18] <Riddell> does that file exist? I think it's new and is missing from the nm package
[14:19] <clivejo> I wonder does it build on my system
[14:19] <cyphermox> it's shipped by libnm-dev
[14:20] <cyphermox> I thought you were alreday working on it clivejo, if not I can look harder now
[14:20] <clivejo> cyphermox: Im trying, but no idea what is wrong or how to fix it
[14:20] <cyphermox> ah
[14:21] <cyphermox> just add libnm-dev as a build-depends
[14:21] <clivejo> cyphermox: it wont build
[14:21] <cyphermox> any of the packages which currently build-depend on network-manager-dev probably should add libnm-dev
[14:21] <cyphermox> ok, which package exactly? I'll go look
[14:22] <clivejo> Riddell: does this mean anything to you
[14:22] <clivejo> clivejo: it looks like you do not have /usr/include/libnm in your include path. NetworkManagerQt (not Plasma NM) from KF5 >= 5.8.0 should have added it automatically to include path. Check if /usr/lib64/cmake/KF5NetworkManagerQt/KF5NetworkManagerQtTargets.cmake contains libnm's include path in INTERFACE_INCLUDE_DIRECTORIES
[14:22] <cyphermox> ah
[14:22] <cyphermox> so we probably need to look at NetworkManagerQt directly, not plasma-whatever
[14:23] <clivejo> cyphermox: seems like it
[14:24] <cyphermox> what's the proper name for that package?
[14:25] <clivejo> cyphermox:  	network-manager  ?
[14:25] <cyphermox> not for NetworkManagerQt
[15:00] <Riddell> clivejo: are you onto that or should I look too?
[15:41] <Riddell> ahoneybun: could you take on bug 1483620 ? I just fixed it in wily and you need to take my 4.12.0-0ubuntu4 package and backport that to vivid
[16:23] <Riddell> clivejo: cyphermox: looks like it just needs libkf5networkmanager-qt rebuilt and it picks up the (presumably new?) include directory :)
[16:24] <cyphermox> Riddell: sounds right
[16:26] <Riddell> clivejo: I uploaded networkmanager-qt 5.13.0-0ubuntu2, you can click rebuild on plasma-workspace once that's in the archive
[16:26] <Riddell> once it's in wily-proposed
[16:30] <soee> kopete still broken ? 
[16:30] <Riddell> I'm away tomorrow until sunday evening
[16:30] <Riddell> soee: yeah that'll need more work, kdepimlibs repackaged
[16:32] <snele> Riddell: who to poke about this bug? 
[16:32] <snele> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1485212
[16:32] <snele> should I report it upstream?
[16:32] <Riddell> snele: yeah I guess so
[16:32] <soee> Riddell: Plasma 5.4 also need some deeper work ?
[16:33] <Riddell> soee: the nm issue should be solved once my new networkmanager-qt is in so it'll need a few things rebuilt then it can be uploaded
[16:43] <yofel> shadeslayer: so, I won't be in berlin anymore in october, but I've been thinking about getting an LPIC-1 certificate, so I'll most likely come to ubucon anyway
[16:46] <Riddell> LPI 1 is dead easy, I was the first person to get one in scotland and I didn't read the syllabus or anything
[16:46] <Riddell> although read up on your rpm commands I seem to remember :)
[16:47]  * Riddell out, not online much until sunday evening/monday
[16:47] <yofel> yeah, I looked at the example questions and I can answer like half of them right away, so it'll be an easy way to get a certificate without much effort
[18:07]  * ovidiu-florin is sending the email to the sysadmins NOW to release the new site
[18:09] <ovidiu-florin> can someone please help and write a mockup or even a full article for the new site release?
[18:09] <ovidiu-florin> I'm still at work :((
[18:44] <clivejo> yippeeee
[18:44] <clivejo> plasma-nm built successful
[18:44] <clivejo> thanks so much Riddell
[18:50] <soee> !
[18:51] <soee> clivejo: so whole 5.4 should be ready soon ?
[18:51] <clivejo> maybe
[18:51] <clivejo> Ive restarted the builds
[18:52] <soee> cool :)
[18:52] <clivejo> keep your eye on here - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.4.0_wily.html
[18:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: hah
[18:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: is it any useful to have one?
[18:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: and got a link to the sample questionaire
[18:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: just google for lpic 1 101 questions and you'll find a bunch of practice sites based on old questions
[18:57] <yofel> well, it tells you people that you actually know how to use linux and didn't just write it on your resumee for fun
[18:57] <shadeslayer> xD
[18:57] <yofel> OTOH, for you it's probably not interesting if your resumee is 80% about linux development :P
[18:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: if a company does not quiz me about stuff that I've written down on my resume, then it speaks volumes about the company as well
[18:58] <yofel> agreed
[18:58] <yofel> if anything, LPIC 2 or 3 are intersting if you're looking for a sysadmin job, 1 is really just basics
[18:59] <yofel> which is why any of us can probably pass that without studying ^^
[18:59] <shadeslayer> erm, no thanks @ sysadmin :p
[19:00] <genii> Is LPI supposed to be distro-agnostic? Why do they have rpm commands, I wonder, in the test
[19:01] <clivejo> yofel: if plasma 5.4 builds coreectly, is it hard to backport it to vivid?
[19:05] <yofel> genii: because RHEL is a reality, and I think they have some dpkg stuff in there as well
[19:05] <genii> Hm
[19:08] <clivejo> yippeee plasma-workspace built successfully
[19:08] <clivejo> looking good!
[19:12] <ahoneybun> Riddell: what happened ?
[19:12] <ahoneybun> 1483620
[19:12] <ahoneybun> LP 1483620
[19:18] <ahoneybun> why did it get assigned to me?
[19:18] <clivejo> I think digikam makes it
[19:19] <yofel> that ^
[19:19] <ahoneybun> makes?
[19:19] <yofel> kipi-plugins is build by digikam
[19:19] <clivejo> yeah
[19:19] <yofel> and you were backportiing digikam, weren't you ;)
[19:19] <clivejo> and you backported digikam to vivid
[19:19] <ahoneybun> I did
[19:19] <clivejo> so you're in charge now
[19:20] <ahoneybun> so the backport part is mine
[19:20] <ahoneybun> I was just saying that I did not do the wily one
[19:20]  * ahoneybun fines packages and grabs the SOURCE
[19:20] <clivejo> I did the wily one
[19:21] <clivejo> but the bug is for the vivid one
[19:21] <ahoneybun> k
[19:21] <clivejo> so your build needs moved to vivid-backport
[19:22] <clivejo> has it been tested?
[19:22] <ahoneybun> just by ovidiu-florin
[19:22] <ahoneybun> it is just in my own PPA atm
[19:22] <yofel> needs some more testing that, and verification that Riddell's fix is actually in that version
[19:22] <yofel> *testing then
[19:23] <soee> we dont have any annoucement about Beta1? 
[19:23] <ahoneybun> yofel: I never said it had enough :)
[19:23]  * ahoneybun looks for dsc command that yofel has told me twice
[19:24] <clivejo> LOL write it down!
[19:24] <ahoneybun> LOGS!
[19:24] <clivejo> ahoneybun: I keep notes cause you told me to!#
[19:24] <yofel> there is also pull-lp-source for the archive (ubuntu-dev-tools), and pull-ppa-source for PPA's (kubuntu-dev-tools) for convenience
[19:24] <ahoneybun> I know I keep forgetting that one!
[19:25] <ahoneybun> dget -xu <url-to-dsc>
[19:26] <ahoneybun> that SSD and -j4 will come in handy now clivejo lol
[19:26]  * clivejo nods
[19:26] <clivejo> will heat your room too :)
[19:27] <ahoneybun> digikam is a beast
[19:28] <clivejo> try calligra :)
[19:30] <soee> clivejo: whya ll have dependency wait and non builds http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.4.0_wily.html ?
[19:30] <clivejo> because LP is slow!!
[19:30] <soee> oh now build
[19:31] <clivejo> it can take up to 20mins for the packages that have been built to become available 
[19:31] <clivejo> in the archive
[19:32] <clivejo> plasma-workspace just got published, so Ive restarted khitkeys, plasma-desktop and powerdevil
[19:32] <clivejo> but its looking good
[19:32] <clivejo> the amd64 build is going faster
[19:33] <ahoneybun> I'm confused it does not like those deps
[19:34] <ahoneybun> dpkg-source: warning: can't parse dependency libkfilemetadata-dev
[19:34] <ahoneybun> libkvkontakte1
[19:34] <ahoneybun> libmediawiki1
[19:37] <clivejo> ahoneybun: have you your $DEBEMAIL and $DEBFULLNAME set in .bashrc ?
[19:38] <ahoneybun> probley not
[19:38] <clivejo> good idea if you are going to work locally
[19:39] <clivejo> it caused me problems til yofel explained it
[19:40] <clivejo> yippee
[19:40] <clivejo> just plasma-desktop to go!
[19:40] <soee> :D
[19:41] <mparillo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/wily/beta-1/ is loaded
[19:41] <soee> building is fun .. when all builds fine :D
[19:41] <clivejo> soee: indeed it is
[19:41] <clivejo> or if you know how to fix the problem
[19:41]  * yofel considers that boring, where's the challenge? :P
[19:42] <clivejo> yofel: do you know what Riddell did to fix libkf5networkmanager-qt ?
[19:42] <clivejo> just rebuilt it?
[19:42] <yofel> yep
[19:43] <clivejo> with new source?
[19:43] <yofel> against the new NM
[19:43] <clivejo> plasma-nm?
[19:43] <yofel> no, against network-manager
[19:43] <clivejo> oh
[19:44] <clivejo> is network-manager part of ubuntu?
[19:44] <yofel> if you read /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5NetworkManagerQt/KF5NetworkManagerQtTargets.cmake you will see that it has a list of the include paths
[19:44] <yofel> one path was missing
[19:44] <clivejo> the libkf5networkmanager is kubuntu?
[19:44] <yofel> and that file is generated during the build
[19:45] <clivejo> I dont think Im explaining myself
[19:45] <yofel> uhm, technically everything is part of ubuntu. But libkf5networkmanager is maintained by us, network-manager by ubuntu (the foundation folks I guess)
[19:45] <clivejo> ah thats what I meant
[19:46] <clivejo> yofel: have you ubuntu archive access?
[19:46] <clivejo> or it just Riddell?
[19:46] <soee> clivejo: some problem with last pckage ?
[19:47] <yofel> clivejo: I do, for the kubuntu packageset
[19:47] <yofel> upload permissions are managed by packagesets, js is core-dev and can upload almost everything
[19:47] <yofel> *jr
[19:51] <clivejo> soee: dont think its anything serious
[19:51] <soee> something with widgets ?
[19:54] <clivejo> so who feels brave?
[19:57] <soee> i will test, it wants to remove libkdecorations2-5 libkdecorations2private5 libtag1c2a
[19:57] <soee> but there are newer verion of this to be installed
[19:57] <clivejo> hold on
[19:57] <clivejo> wiat until plasma-desktop gets published
[19:58] <soee> it isnt ?
[19:58] <clivejo> not yet
[19:58] <soee> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+packages
[19:58] <clivejo> ah not it is
[19:58] <clivejo> now
[20:00]  * soee testing
[20:01] <clivejo> soee must have fast connection!
[20:01] <soee> why ?
[20:01]  * clivejo is still doing apt-get update
[20:01]  * clivejo twiddles thumbs
[20:02] <clivejo> soee: can you confirm ahoneybun's theme commits?
[20:03] <ahoneybun> ???
[20:03] <clivejo> to plasma 5.4
[20:03] <clivejo> hight contrast theme?
[20:05] <soee> ok seems like all is installed fine :)
[20:05] <soee> i will relogin now
[20:06] <soee> back :)
[20:07]  * clivejo is jealous
[20:07] <soee> wow there is new KCM for gamma ;o
[20:08]  * clivejo is still downloading packages
[20:08] <clivejo> 7%
[20:08] <soee> but System Settings still crashes when exiting Display & Monitor section
[20:13] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: I can write some stuff, but need a bit more detail about what you want, where it will be published, etc.
[20:14] <clivejo> valorie: o/
[20:14] <soee> clivejo: for me 5.4 looks good
[20:14] <valorie> greets, clivejo
[20:14] <ovidiu-florin> Something that can go on the website and on our social media
[20:14] <soee> maybe yofel can move it to wily archive
[20:14] <clivejo> soee: stop teasing me!!
[20:14] <valorie> just been reading up
[20:14] <clivejo> 67% downloaded
[20:14] <ovidiu-florin> something to say that we are launching a new and plasma 5 themed website
[20:15] <soee> clivejo: what speed you have ?
[20:15] <valorie> so for like G+ etc.?
[20:15] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: ^^^
[20:15] <clivejo> supposed to be 8Mb, but only about 2Mb in the evenings
[20:16] <soee> clivejo: and i have ~ 1MB ...
[20:16] <ovidiu-florin> Our news feed (website), G+, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, reddit, etc....
[20:16] <soee> ~12Mb
[20:16] <clivejo> 211kB/s
[20:16] <clivejo> at the moment
[20:16] <soee> ;o
[20:17] <valorie> ok, on the website itself it will be a bit meta, but might inform confused people
[20:17] <clivejo> but this is WAY better than BT's superfast Infinity
[20:19] <clivejo> Infinity + 9 miles of old copper cable = zero
[20:21] <clivejo> soee: what graphics driver are you using?
[20:21] <soee> clivejo: Nvidia 355
[20:22] <soee> uh there was Dolphin update to 15.08
[20:22] <clivejo> when does settings crash for you?
[20:23] <soee> open System Settings and go to Display & Monitor section
[20:23] <soee> if i exix from there it crashes
[20:23] <clivejo> oh, yeah, but you have to exit or go back?
[20:24] <soee> if i go back
[20:24] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: https://notes.kde.org/p/NewKubuntuSite
[20:34] <soee> binding to activity has some issues
[20:34] <soee> but looks liek works, i can remove now virtual desktops for good :)
[20:35] <clivejo> soee: have you wayland working yet?
[20:35] <soee> i didn't try it
[20:36] <soee> kubuntu lies to me: 1 package can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see it.
[20:36] <soee> but there are none to be upgraded
[20:37] <clivejo> soee: do you use Muon Updater?
[20:37] <soee> terminal
[20:37] <soee> clivejo: the package that it say is to upgrade: plasma-nm/wily 4:5.4.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1 amd64 [upgradable from: 4:5.3.95-0ubuntu1]
[20:37]  * valorie goes outside for a bit
[20:37] <clivejo> are you sure you are running 5.4?
[20:37] <soee> but apt full-upgrade returns: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:38] <soee> strange
[20:38] <soee> clivejo: yes i'm on 5.4
[20:38] <clivejo> try running muon updater see what it says?
[20:39] <soee> ther eis something wrong with this package
[20:39] <soee> Muon shows it as marked to be upgrade
[20:39] <soee> but it can't be
[20:39] <yofel> soee: crashes here as well
[20:39] <soee> yofel: System Settings ?
[20:39] <yofel> yep
[20:40] <soee> yofel: can you check this plasma-nm package ?
[20:40] <yofel> yeah, give me a sec
[20:41] <clivejo> my version is 4:5.4.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1
[20:41] <soee> oO
[20:42] <yofel> now let me upgrade to 5.4
[20:43] <soee> clivejo: yofel: see http://wstaw.org/m/2015/08/27/snapshot17.png
[20:44] <clivejo> soee: you're on vivid?
[20:44] <soee> clivejo: no, i'm using nodejs repo for vivd only
[20:46] <clivejo> soee: what version does dpkg -s plasma-desktop show you?
[20:46] <soee> clivejo: Version: 4:5.4.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1
[20:47] <clivejo> :/
[20:54] <soee> clivejo: if i try to reinstall plasma-nm: plasma-nm : Depends: libkf5networkmanagerqt6 (>= 5.13.0-0ubuntu2) but 5.13.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[20:55] <soee> maybe it is in proposed and i don't have tit enabled
[20:56] <clivejo> thats the package Riddell fixed earlier to allow us to build plasma-nm
[20:56] <clivejo> yeah, I have proposed enbaled
[20:57] <clivejo> but you will get all the 15.07.90 apps
[20:57] <soee> clivejo: apt-cache policy libkf5networkmanagerqt6
[20:57] <soee> what shows for  you ?
[20:57] <clivejo> my version is from propsed
[20:57] <soee> ah and problem solved :-)
[20:58] <clivejo> there is an older verison in universe
[20:58] <soee> yup mine: 500 http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ wily/universe amd64 Packages
[20:58] <clivejo> thats the one
[21:00] <soee> clivejo: ok confirmed, i have downloaded new deb manually and installed it https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/amd64/libkf5networkmanagerqt6/5.13.0-0ubuntu2
[21:00] <soee> and now plasma-nm has been upgraded
[21:00] <soee> to 5.4
[21:00] <clivejo> :)
[21:01] <clivejo> soee: what font do you use in your terminal?
[21:02] <soee> i think it is my system font = Droid Sans
[21:03] <soee> ok so now we are only waitign fr apps 15.08 to be finished :)
[21:04] <clivejo> yes, only!
[21:05]  * soee installing new Vivaldi snapshot
[21:05] <clivejo> kopete needs kdepim-dev
[21:06] <clivejo> but what created the kdepim-dev package
[21:07] <soee> where it comes from ?
[21:07] <clivejo> yeah
[21:07] <soee> yofel: ^
[21:10] <clivejo> its in trusty - http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/devel/kdepim-dev
[21:10] <clivejo> but maybe its been replaced in KF5
[21:11] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I'll play around with kdenlive (the new version) this weekend, and get back to you with feedback
[21:11] <ahoneybun> sweet
[21:12] <yofel> clivejo: kdepim-dev *came* from kdepim
[21:12] <yofel> but I guess for qt5 the libs were split out
[21:13] <clivejo> so surely in the kdepim - 4:15.08.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa3 log file there should be a package kdepim-dev ?
[21:16] <yofel> no
[21:16] <yofel> that's qt5 kdepim
[21:16] <yofel> kdepim-dev is kde4 kdepim
[21:16] <yofel> kdepim-dev doesn't exist anymore
[21:16] <clivejo> so kopete needs it removed from deps?
[21:17] <yofel> no, kopete needs like half the pim stack in kde4 version to work, that's a ton of work
[21:17] <soee> ;o
[21:17] <yofel> so maybe we'll just drop it for wily
[21:17]  * clivejo chokes
[21:17] <soee> lets remove kopete :D
[21:18] <yofel> clivejo: btw. did you subscribe to the kde release ML yet?
[21:18] <clivejo> probably not!
[21:19] <clivejo> is it on debian or kde?
[21:19] <yofel> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
[21:19] <yofel> you want the kde one for kde related stuff
[21:21] <yofel> clivejo: relevant thread https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2015-August/008865.html
[21:21] <clivejo> ok done
[21:22] <clivejo> so just wait and see?
[21:26] <yofel> well, that thread has all the information that's there
[21:26] <yofel> theoretically it's possible to package kopete, it's just a lot of work
[21:26] <clivejo> "I'm afraid distros will have to figure out the packaging magic to handle that on their own." sounds interesting
[21:28] <clivejo> oh, does this mean there is new source available?
[21:28] <clivejo> https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2015-August/008886.html
[21:28] <yofel> that's just for the mentioned file conflicts
[21:28] <yofel> but yeah, there was a new tarball
[21:28] <yofel> dunno if we updated that actually...
[21:29] <clivejo> dont think so
[21:29] <clivejo> new upload required?
[21:29] <clivejo> kopete is still ppa1
[21:29] <yofel> we did
[21:29] <clivejo> so Im guessing not
[21:29] <yofel> 211cceb073dc68ce2c325625f9547d94f03819acb9f9f30a07721ed46790533f  kdepimlibs_15.08.0.orig.tar.xz
[21:30] <yofel> I guess we uploaded that after the tarball update
[21:30] <clivejo> oh
[21:36] <snele> is plasma 5.4 in proposed or release in wily?
[21:36] <clivejo> snele: neither
[21:36] <clivejo> staging ppa
[21:37] <clivejo> snele: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/
[21:37] <snele> clivejo: thanx I am going to test it :)
[21:46] <clivejo> hes back!
[21:46] <snele> i am missing right click submenus in dolphin: create new folder(???), create new text file, compress to archive
[21:47] <snele> plasma 5.4 beta and now plasma 5.4 final
[21:47] <snele> can anyone confirm this?
[21:47] <yofel> true...
[21:47] <snele> wtf i had to go to konsole to mkdir...
[21:47] <clivejo> I think dolphin is in apps, is it not?
[21:48] <yofel> actually, "Create new" is there
[21:48] <yofel> but not the compress menu
[21:48] <clivejo> that menu is in my dolphin too
[21:48] <yofel> (it's there if click on an empty space without a file selected)
[21:48] <snele> yofel: yes but there is no create new>folder or text document
[21:49] <yofel> I have that
[21:49] <clivejo> snele: what apps version are you on?
[21:49] <snele> 15.08
[21:49] <soee> clivejo: Dolphin 15.08 s in Wily updates 
[21:49] <soee> others not i think
[21:49] <snele> wily with staging ppa
[21:49] <clivejo> just staging plasma?
[21:50] <clivejo> or staging apps too?
[21:50] <snele> plasma 5.4 apps 15.08
[21:51] <clivejo> I didnt think Apps 15.08 was released out of staging yet
[21:51] <clivejo> there are problems with PIM and Kopete
[21:52] <clivejo> 15.07.90 apps are in proposed
[21:52] <yofel> no, 15.08.0 is in proposed
[21:52] <yofel> kopete will take longer to figure out than we have time to wait
[21:52] <snele> clivejo: yofel: this is what i got :) http://www.dodaj.rs/f/Q/HN/DWL2Y3A/snapshot9.png
[21:52] <clivejo> yofel: did that happen today?
[21:53] <yofel> yesterday
[21:53] <clivejo> my dolphin is Version: 4:15.07.90a-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa2
[21:53] <clivejo> :/
[21:53] <soee> oO
[21:54] <clivejo> what about you soee?
[21:54] <yofel> dolphin:
[21:54] <yofel>   Installed: 4:15.08.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1
[21:54] <soee> 4:15.08.0-0ubuntu1
[21:54] <snele> so you guys have create new > folder/text file on right click in dolphin?
[21:54] <soee> from: 500 http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ wily/universe amd64 Package
[21:54] <yofel> if I click into an empty space the topmost menu entry is Create New
[21:55] <clivejo> humm thats odd
[21:56] <snele> yofel: yes but Create new should have submenu folder or text file. I am missing these submenus
[21:56] <clivejo> there is a 4:15.08.0-0ubuntu1 available in universe but Im using 15.07.90
[21:56] <snele> *submenu entries
[21:56] <yofel> snele: I have that submenu if no file is selected
[21:56] <yofel> if I select a file Create New is greay
[21:56] <yofel> *grey
[21:57] <snele> hmmm I have to reinstall wily tommorow. this is mine test partition :)
[21:57] <yofel> no wait, if I select a folder it's there, if I select a broken symlink it's grey and if I select a file the entry isn't there at all
[21:58] <clivejo> yofel: so is PIM fixed in 15.08?
[21:58] <yofel> defined fixed
[21:58] <clivejo> working!
[21:58] <yofel> kmail works for me
[21:58] <yofel> didn't try something else
[21:59] <clivejo> ok lets see
[22:00] <snele> hmmm if i enable proposed then okular printer-driver-brlaser going to be removed
[22:01] <soee> dont do it
[22:01] <soee> for me it alsa wants to remove other packages liek keb, amarok, kubuntu-desktop etc.
[22:02] <snele> soee: I am already doing it hehe. going to brake it and reinstall it tommorow :D
[22:03] <soee> ;)
[22:04] <soee> if i put on my desktop comic widget and try to access it properties it does nothing but creates artifact on my desktop
[22:08] <soee> eh they could fix the owncliud client to be loaded minimized ...
[22:09] <soee> i think i reported this bug liek 1,5 years ago
[22:17] <snele> sorry to bother you with this. I made screenshot to make clear what I am missing
[22:17] <snele> http://www.dodaj.rs/f/3E/8L/9CWf9Xz/snapshot10.png
[22:17] <ahoneybun> valorie: ovidiu-florin put at the bottom: VDG approved
[22:17] <snele> do you have this entries in right click menu in dolphin?
[22:17] <ahoneybun> yep
[22:18] <ahoneybun> well
[22:18] <ahoneybun> the file and text ones
[22:18] <snele> ahoneybun: in wily plasma 5.4 apps 15.08?
[22:19] <ahoneybun> yep
[22:19] <clivejo> snele: Id create a screen shot, but it appears to be broken!
[22:19] <ahoneybun> well dolphin is 15.07.80 or sometthing
[22:20] <snele> ok so my wily install is broken
[22:20] <snele> i'll try with new user
[22:21] <snele> anyway i will reinstall tommorow's daily :)
[22:21] <clivejo> snele: http://postimg.org/image/a2bs3ekkn/
[22:22] <ahoneybun> I see clivejo likes my High Contrast colors
[22:22] <ahoneybun> also Oxygen Icons
[22:22] <clivejo> ksnapshot isnt opening via the print screen key thou
[22:22] <snele> clivejo: thanks
[22:22] <snele> clivejo: it opens here :)
[22:22] <clivejo> snele: that is Plasma 5.4 & 15.08 apps
[22:23] <clivejo> LOL now its working
[22:23] <clivejo> crazy computer!
[22:28] <soee> clivejo: it is opening
[22:28] <clivejo> what is?
[22:28] <soee> ksnapshot
[22:29] <clivejo> after I opened it from kickoff, now its opening from print screen button
[22:35] <clivejo> my icons by my clock have got smaller :/
[22:44] <clivejo> and double clicking window title bars doesnt maximise them
[22:51] <clivejo> oh dear
[22:51] <clivejo> plasma crashed
[22:52] <clivejo> havent had that in a while
[22:53] <soee> :)
[22:54] <clivejo> any crashes soee?
[22:55] <soee> so far no
[22:55] <soee> but i dont use any proposed or unstable ppa
[22:56] <soee> just this one staging for plasma
[23:01]  * ahoneybun should start working on digikam backport again lol
[23:02] <ahoneybun> I need to understand what Riddell did
[23:14] <valorie> our telegram group seems to be under attack
[23:16] <valorie> or maybe not
[23:23] <ahoneybun> under attaack lol
[23:25] <ahoneybun> we should have updated that page a bit before release
[23:26] <ahoneybun> seeing that canoe club pdf means its Riddell lol
[23:36] <clivejo> hummm kontact wont send emails
[23:36] <clivejo> not impressed with this new release
[23:39] <clivejo> Unable to fetch item from backend (collection -1): Unable to retieve item from resource: Did not recieve a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security blocked the repl...
[23:40] <yofel> sounds like dead akonadi to me...
[23:46] <clivejo> sounds like bed time to me!
[23:46] <clivejo> night all