[00:01] <TJ-> Got a really strange issue here, in a QEMU/KVM guest running the Kubuntu Wily Live ISO. Opened a terminal and wanted to type the single and double quote characters. I have to press the key twice to get the character, and it looks visually to be correct, but I'm guessing it is actually a UTF char because the command fails
[00:56] <TJ-> daftykins: ablest has turned up in offtopic now still asking about openvpn :)
[00:57] <daftykins> haha typical
[00:58] <daftykins> <ablest's brain> 1) Install OpenVPN 2) ... 3) Profit.
[00:59] <TJ-> some folks just shouldn't be allowed near a computer without a proficiency test... many of them, devs :p
[01:00] <daftykins> :)
[01:00] <daftykins> doing things at your level i have no idea how you cope with the trivial queries
[01:02] <Bashing-om> Twiddling thumbs while cogitating on greater matters ??
[01:03] <TJ-> You may notice I try to only pick the low-level stuff where the person has some signs if intellect :)
[01:03] <daftykins> :D
[01:03] <TJ-> I actually find it theraputic... I'm usually stuck on something locally and need to distract my brain from it for a while
[01:04] <daftykins> sometimes i fall astray like now, but i tend to prefer to avoid the gaming ones - after all what use is that o0
[01:04] <daftykins> ah :) i like the warm fuzzies of problem solving
[01:05] <TJ-> hahaha I agree with you
[01:05] <TJ-> ooo, Pratchett's latest is out today.... goes to check Audible for a download :)
[01:05] <TJ-> may not be sleeping tonight
[01:05] <daftykins> impressive Posthumous release o0
[01:06] <TJ-> grrr, still on pre-order
[01:07] <TJ-> ok, release today, but timezone must be US so probably won't be available until mid-morning
[01:08] <daftykins> that's always a pain
[01:09] <TJ-> I need to clear some books off, the sd card is running out of space. Hate when that happens because I always end up taking off a book I want to listen to a few days later
[01:10]  * daftykins looks at TJ- then back at #ubuntu
[01:10] <daftykins> gadmin is just some friendly frontend for the openVPN client XD
[01:10] <daftykins> the guy still has no damn service i bet
[01:12] <TJ-> Have you ever noticed you can guess the real skill of a user, because it is usually inversely proportional to how 'l33t' or 'genius' their nickname is?
[01:12] <daftykins> :D
[01:12] <daftykins> absolutely
[01:12] <TJ-> As soon as I see h4x0r and so on... !
[01:12] <daftykins> in fact the guy with 6's earlier i think i've scared off before by pointing out their advice is terrible
[01:15] <TJ-> xubuntu666 ? Yes, he seemed well-meaning but seemed to have a familiar attitude
[01:15] <daftykins> *nod*
[01:17] <daftykins> i should probably have started simple like that ;)
[01:18] <TJ-> I'd be fuming by now, the user is either using English as their 2nd language and misses the inferences, or is trolling us
[01:18] <daftykins> :D
[01:19] <TJ-> They aren't clueless, they've got a freenode cloak
[01:20] <OerHeks> ... wait... then i am not clueless too
[01:20] <daftykins> yay \o/
[01:23] <TJ-> I want to go to the kitchen and snack... but if I do 3 dogs join me and stare woefully as if they've never seen food before
[01:24] <daftykins> :D
[01:24] <daftykins> i only just had a pizza
[01:24] <daftykins> i need to stop living on Central time in the US, despite being in BST
[01:24] <daftykins> the peace of the night is so good though
[01:24] <TJ-> yeah, me too. I was up at 7am with 3 hours sleep... had a nap from 6-9ish, and now ready for supper and bed
[01:24] <daftykins> \o/
[01:25] <TJ-> wow! I think ablest1980 got it .. no wait for it... can't be that simple
[01:26] <daftykins> :)
[01:26] <daftykins> i was just thinking that
[01:26] <daftykins> Tune in tomorrow: <ablest> so i got a second PC and i am ready to CONNECT!
[01:26]  * daftykins cries in advance
[01:26] <TJ-> :P
[01:26] <OerHeks> .. then he ends up with a free-vpn-service ...
[01:27] <TJ-> I'll have to be careful not to feel too sorry and offer that :)
[01:27] <OerHeks> me too,room policy
[01:27] <daftykins> :D
[01:27] <daftykins> quite liking that digitalocean one, $5/mo works out like what - £40 a year?
[01:28] <daftykins> think it has 1TB a month transfer
[01:28]  * OerHeks electronically signed his butt for that
[01:29] <OerHeks> I would install the vpnservice at my place, and use the neighbour wifi to test
[01:30] <daftykins> ah i had something even easier! there's this TV service that lets you stream UK TV (tvcatchup.com) which a friend of a friend runs, it was blocked in my home island
[01:31] <daftykins> but then of course, just visiting whatismyip.com works :>
[01:33] <TJ-> there's a neat DNS reflector that you can query and it returns your IP... really useful compare to using a HTTP service
[01:34] <daftykins> hmm
[01:42] <daftykins> aaah this guy and updated drivers, seriously
[01:42] <daftykins> these people act like running the latest version number will make your computer open up and hand you 1,000 (local currency units)
[01:46] <Bashing-om> Again; Had all the fun I can stand; can not stand any more. Good night .
[01:46] <daftykins> nn Bashing-om :)
[01:51] <TJ-> yeah. I am quite happy staying with 14.04, with mainline kernel to fix some bugs that would break the system
[01:51] <TJ-> VMs/schroots for anything more recent
[01:54] <daftykins> :D
[01:54] <daftykins> someone did confuse me last night with why ubuntu's repos have got filezilla x.11 but only way older versions show up
[01:54] <daftykins> !info filezilla trusty
[01:55] <daftykins> !info filezilla
[01:55] <daftykins> yeah
[02:02] <TJ-> how do you mean, "x.11" ? I'm not seeing a problem
[02:03] <daftykins> 3.11.x sorry
[02:03] <daftykins> i forgot the first digit
[02:04] <daftykins> they found a manual link to a repo with /pool/ and all that, listing debs for 3.11 yet they're not even listed for vivid
[02:04] <daftykins> !info filezilla wily
[02:04] <daftykins> i was confused as to why it's there if it's not referenced
[02:05] <TJ-> that's wrong!  filezilla (3.12.0.2-1ubuntu2) wily; urgency=medium
[02:06] <TJ-> there's no 3.x.11 in the pool; there is 3.3.1-1
[02:07] <TJ-> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/f/filezilla/
[02:07] <daftykins> ooh but a 3.12 there
[02:08] <TJ-> Yes, from Wily as above
[02:31] <daftykins> TJ-: hey you're the resident boot magician, do you know which versions work with the 32-bit EFIs?
[02:32] <daftykins> assuming it got fixed
[02:34] <TJ-> I've not looked into the 32 bit UEFI, didn't realise there was an issue. Is some manufacturer actually using it!?
[02:34] <daftykins> http://askubuntu.com/questions/392719/32-bit-uefi-boot-support
[02:34] <daftykins> yeah these machines that come with "Windows 8.1 with Bing" are shipped with them to prevent people buying cheap machines to use with Linux
[02:35] <daftykins> i found the above about it
[02:36] <daftykins> nevermind perhaps legacy will do
[02:37] <TJ-> Really? hmmm!
[02:40] <daftykins> it came about quite a while ago, so i didn't think it was even a thing still
[02:41] <TJ-> OK, there's an easy workaround
[02:42] <TJ-> install in legacy mode, use GPT and reserve an ESP. Create an 0exEF02 BIOS BOOT partition about 1MiB. GRUB will install into that.
[02:43] <TJ-> Boot the new system in legacy mode, force-install grub-efi-ia32  and remove grub-pc
[02:43] <daftykins> funky!
[02:43] <TJ-> install grub-efi and it'll ensure that the dependencies for grub-efi-ia32 are always met
[02:44] <TJ-> *Your Mileage May Vary *Colours May Run *No Dry Cleaning
[02:52] <TJ-> right, time for sleep and book :)
[02:54] <daftykins> ta-ra o/
[02:55] <TJ-> don't stau up too late, and don't forget to put the cat out :)
[02:59] <OerHeks> such boatanchors can be a fire risc, 2005 hardware
[03:01] <daftykins> this lofty guy?
[03:01] <OerHeks> yeah
[03:02] <daftykins> ah - started in another channel?
[03:05] <OerHeks> not sure, seen him before
[03:05] <daftykins> sounds like that one that i've had a feeling has been deprecated now for some time
[03:06] <daftykins> oh hopefully not the same asshole thatkeeps coming in with the same damn poulsbo netbook :P
[03:09] <OerHeks> ugh cedar trail ?
[03:09] <daftykins> i really don't understand these historians
[03:10] <daftykins> why waste time with such rubbish old kit?
[03:10] <OerHeks> drop it, door stop, ..
[03:40] <daftykins> ok i'm clocking out
[03:40] <daftykins> OerHeks: g'night \o
[03:40] <daftykins> and anyone else still lurking :)
[04:02] <OerHeks> :-)
[06:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[19:50] <EriC^^> hey everyone
[19:52] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: o/ ; Pleased to see ya !
[19:52] <EriC^^> o/ :)
[19:57] <TJ-> mmmm egg n chips time :)
[19:59] <Bashing-om> sustenance .
[20:08] <daftykins> ugh this Nikesh guy, tell him he's got a 32-bit EFI quirk due to having a windows 8.1 with Bing laptop... totally ignores me
[20:16] <Bashing-om> daftykins: One can lead a horse to water, but can not make that horse drink .
[20:16] <daftykins> :) too right
[20:26] <TJ-> daftykins: I'm not convinced the UEFI is 32-bit. According to the Acer specs for the E11-111 it has a 64-bit OS
[20:26] <daftykins> i definitely concede that there's room for variation, but are you looking at a machine with Windows 8.1 with Bing?
[20:27] <daftykins> regardless, this guy does not help himself to let us help - so i'm sure a standard boot diagnosis would be worthwhile if anyone were brave enough ;)
[20:28] <TJ-> Aspire ES1-111M-P2YU
[20:28] <TJ-> http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/NX.MSNAA.003
[20:28] <TJ-> Aug 27 03:20:56 <Nikesh>        daftykins: It's an Acer Aspire E11-111
[20:29] <TJ-> I've downloaded the 'BIOS' update and will extract it to check
[20:29] <daftykins> hrmm guy says it works now, ah well.
[20:32] <daftykins> ho-hum i have my own fire to work on today :)
[20:32] <daftykins> seems i'm staring at an SSD failure
[20:34] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Wow; Nikesh took a sip !
[20:35] <ItsAdam> hello
[20:36] <daftykins> Bashing-om: :D
[20:36] <daftykins> ItsAdam: hello
[20:56] <daftykins> TJ-: i think it's your go ;)
[20:58] <OerHeks> "Alibaba routers nextdoor pushing your wifi away" *hips*
[20:58] <daftykins> XD
[21:15] <TJ-> back from dinner
[21:16] <TJ-> After several rounds of extraction and decompression I have the firmware update Capsule
[21:16] <TJ-> Strings indicate the UEFI is based on the open-source EDK2 as most are:
[21:16] <TJ-> d:\edk2\MdeModulePkg\Library\UefiHiiServicesLib\UefiHiiServicesLib.c
[21:17] <daftykins> so standard after all?
[21:17] <TJ-> It could still be 32-bit
[21:19] <daftykins> ah har
[21:19] <daftykins> well he got it booting but has to hit the boot menu then select the hard disk manually right now
[21:19] <TJ-> It's the InsydeH2O:  http://www.insyde.com/products
[21:19] <daftykins> despite the BIOS order being set to HDD, then Windows BM
[21:19] <TJ-> Right... sounds like the NVRAM has lost the Ubuntu entry
[21:19] <daftykins> so he might need a manual entry being added, but you're the expert there ;)
[21:19] <daftykins> seems to have gone quiet too
[21:20] <TJ-> UEFI won't boot unless there's a Simple Boot Path loader at /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI
[21:20] <TJ-> That's how removable media can boot... for fixed storage there needs to be an entry in the firmware's boot menu NVRAM if the boot loader is at any other location in the ESP
[21:21] <daftykins> *nod*
[21:21] <daftykins> i think i've seen the command around before that lets you add an entry
[21:21] <TJ-> efibootmgr ....
[21:22] <TJ-> I've found the ACPI DSDT table, there may be some tell-tale strings in it
[21:25] <TJ-> Copyright (C) 1983-2011 Insyde Software Corp.
[21:25] <TJ-> SYS CORE
[21:25] <TJ-> 5.31.DT
[21:25] <TJ-> 12/06/05
[21:26] <daftykins> hmm
[21:28] <TJ-> It's very nasty! It has a replacement Windows ntdll.dll Core file embedded!
[21:29] <daftykins> oh wow, i wonder if it's doing the same thing as those Lenovo's and injecting a file replacement
[21:29] <daftykins> TJ-: you might be onto something big there
[21:29] <TJ-> That's just what I was thinking ... not about the 'big' :)
[21:29] <daftykins> hehe
[21:30] <TJ-> I don't know why anyone is surprised when it comes to Windows; use it, and you've compromised yourself intentionally
[21:30] <EriC^^> heh
[21:31] <daftykins> i believe everything has issues of one type or another, it just depends which OS you'd rather clean up after
[21:32] <daftykins> TJ-: can you dump that ntdll.dll out separately at all?
[21:33] <TJ-> January 12, 2002, Bill Gates sent a public email to all MS employees announcing the "Trustyworthy Computing Initiative" - 13 years later and first Tuesday of every month MS releases fixes for more 0-day vulnerabilities, and still issues out-of-band emergency patches too. If Windows didn't already have a monopoly hold, *no one* would touch it with a barge pole
[21:33] <TJ-> daftykins: probably, I'm just looking at the 'strings' content for now
[21:33] <daftykins> okie dokie
[21:34] <TJ-> There's a heck of a lot of PXE/TFTP network boot code repeated
[21:35] <TJ-> StorageSecurityCommandDxe
[21:35] <TJ-> 02.01.03.0122.00
[21:35] <TJ-> UEFI Crypto Library default seed
[21:36] <TJ-> That sounds scary! If a crypto seed is embedded in the firmware that suggests the crypto (SecureBoot ?) may be compromised
[21:36] <Bashing-om> Years back I was into what the hardware was doing and the software interacing. I really wanted/needed to know. I ask Eindows peiple for info and get told " proprietary info " . I do not like Windows !
[21:38] <TJ-> That was the main reason why I walked away from Windows - I did deep technical work on obscure bugs and not having access to the source-code made it 1000x more difficult, and then actually getting MS to release a patch for a known bug could take years.
[21:39] <TJ-> Was awful having to tell customers "we've identified the bug, it's in Windows OS, but MS won't commit to fixing it"
[21:39] <daftykins> :( that's no fun
[21:39] <daftykins> all my support work is very basic, users tie themselves into their software 'cause they're so married to MS Outlook for email
[21:40] <TJ-> It looks as if that firmware is for 64-bit long mode instructions, so a standard build of the EDK2
[21:41] <daftykins> ho-hum
[21:41] <TJ-> MS's modus operandi has always been Embrace, Extend, Extinguish ... they used 'free' to get MS Office/Internet Explorer/MS SQL Server adopted and then when they had everyone by the short and curlies put the licensing costs way up and continue milking it to this day; it's their biggest cash cow
[21:42] <TJ-> Although I don't like Apple, at least they sell something people genuinely want, rather than feel forced to buy
[21:43] <daftykins> they have some lovely option ROM firmware issues too y'know :D
[21:43] <daftykins> pluging in a thunderbolt or firewire device i think it was, can overwrite firmware onboard permanently - undetectably
[21:48] <TJ-> :) Lack of forward planning... should always have an efuse to make things read-only
[22:05] <daftykins> i've had enough, they're all idiots
[22:05] <daftykins> :D
[22:05]  * daftykins clocks out
[22:29] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: the_count is a 15 year old, with a lot of promise for our future - so I think .
[22:29] <EriC^^> i admire his laziness
[22:30] <daftykins> genuinely competent, or? :)
[22:30] <EriC^^> he asked how to get pastebinit's link into the clipboard
[22:30] <daftykins> oh dear, there is no hope
[22:30] <EriC^^> | pastebinit | something_to_send_to_clipboard
[22:30] <EriC^^> so i said | pastebinit | xsel , then pres shift+insert
[22:30] <EriC^^> it's actually pretty cool, he has a dead mouse so yeah, it's handy
[22:31] <daftykins> oh ok
[22:31] <daftykins> kids today don't type
[22:31] <EriC^^> lol
[22:33] <Bashing-om> but he do ask some intelligent questions, and seems to have a genuine "want to know" .