[14:17] <apw> bjf, seems we have an uninstallability issue with our trusty meta package, specifically with the extra linux-image-hwe-* tracker packages
[14:17] <apw> bjf, bug #1489487
[14:18] <apw> looks like when they were added they were sprayed equally to all architectures and not tailored to what exists
[14:19] <apw> rtg, i think you conceived of these, do we expect to have a linux-image-hwe-virtual-trusty when there is no virtual flavour on an arch?  should it be removed or should it point to -generic ?
[14:20] <rtg> apw, I think at the time I thought the virt dudes might update for new virt features, but it seems they never do. is there any reason not to have it point to the current HWE virt kernel ?
[14:20] <rtg> I suppose if there is not virt flavour for an arch, then it should point to -generic
[14:48] <apw> rtg, right the issue is it points nowhere and causes britney to get miffed (correctly), so i am happy for it to point to -generic
[14:48] <rtg> apw, works for me. you gonna fix that ?
[14:49] <apw> rtg, can do, i assume as we don't build powerpc at all i can rip those
[14:50] <rtg> apw, I thought we built all arches for HWE kernels. 
[14:50] <rtg> or this is precise (Trusty HWE) ?
[14:54] <apw> rtg, this is trusty, but it points to utopic
[14:54] <apw> perhaps the real issue is it should point to vivid
[14:54] <apw> rtg, where in our process do we think about and promote those up to the next one, obviously not on day one
[14:55] <rtg> apw, when the point release ISO comes out I suppose
[14:55] <rtg> or just before
[14:55] <apw> which i guess it just has, so perhaps the real fix is to switch these to vivid
[14:56] <rtg> that was the intent, e.g., to force an HWE upgrade if they chose that particular meta-package
[14:57] <apw> i guess for this one we should just let it go, and do the right thing in the update to vivid
[14:58] <rtg> apw, well, how does that solve the brittny issue ?
[14:59] <apw> well i am assuming each and every previous one of those meta packages was broke too
[14:59] <apw> so its not clear fixing it is world ending, and we can fix it _and_ move to vivid in the next cycle
[14:59] <rtg> possibly, if nobody maintained them.
[14:59] <apw> it looks to have been simply wrong from when it was added
[15:00] <apw> and it only ever hit trusty never in devel, so it has never seen britney before
[15:00] <apw> well it has, but we've never looked before and its not gated before
[15:03] <rtg> bjf, I just dumped a Vivid patch on the k-team list that affects ppc64le (while you are busy applying patches)
[15:03] <bjf> rtg, i just saw that and was looking at it ... needs 2 acks
[15:04] <rtg> bjf, yours and mine ?
[15:04] <bjf> that's not how the game is played