| Tyreal | would anyone be able to point in the right direction with setting up a virtual machine on lubuntu 15.04 | 05:32 |
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| Unit193 | vbox, qemu/kvm, or even vmware. | 06:05 |
| Unit193 | !qemu | 06:05 |
| ubottu | qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo | 06:05 |
| Unit193 | !vbox | 06:05 |
| ubottu | Virtualbox is a virtualizer for x86 and amd64 architectures. It's available in the package "virtualbox" in the !repositories, and you can download the Virtualbox Extension Pack for additional, non-Free functionality at http://virtualbox.org . Additional details can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox | 06:05 |
| Tyreal | thankyou will try those\ | 06:25 |
| Tyreal | which version of lubuntu is least buggy at the moment? | 14:30 |
| holstein | lol.. "buggy" can be a matter of the hardware support for linux.. lets go with what is "supported" | 14:31 |
| Tyreal | sorry my mistake | 14:31 |
| holstein | 14.04 is the lts.. the long term support.. 15.04 is the current regular release.. | 14:31 |
| Tyreal | thankyou :) | 14:31 |
| Tyreal | which one would you suggest? | 14:31 |
| holstein | Tyreal: no.. thats not a bad question.. i just want to be clear about not promising soemthing that is "bug-free".. | 14:31 |
| holstein | Tyreal: for me, i just try and stick to the facts of the scenario.. do i want or need the latest packages? or, do i want or need a longer term of support?.. | 14:32 |
| holstein | is the machine going to a family member, who, basically just needs a web browser, and, i could set them up with a machine every 3 years? or, is this going to be a gaming rig, that could benefit from the latest kernels, and GPU drivers?.. these type of questions can typically help me sort out which is likely best | 14:33 |
| Tyreal | thats a tough question and i honestly am not sure which is the better answer haha | 14:33 |
| holstein | Tyreal: whats the goal of the machine? | 14:33 |
| Tyreal | well i would like to set up a vm or set up wine for play a couple of games to test them out and what not\ | 14:34 |
| holstein | i wouldnt expect that to work out well.. i would want to do any gaming like that on a bare metal install | 14:35 |
| holstein | and, i would research the wine community, and see what others say about the support, or lack of.. | 14:36 |
| Tyreal | how would i go about play those games though | 14:36 |
| holstein | !wine | 14:36 |
| ubottu | WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu | 14:36 |
| holstein | Tyreal: well, ideally, the company making the games would say "here you go, have a linux version of our product that natively runs on the operating system you are using.." | 14:36 |
| Tyreal | and if thats not the case? | 14:37 |
| holstein | if they dont, then, it can be a frustrating hack of a mess to even get something that is kind of partially working.. | 14:37 |
| Tyreal | fair enough, what would you suggest then, lol just keep it as a basic machine? | 14:38 |
| Tyreal | get another one for gaming | 14:38 |
| holstein | but, it doenst hurt to try it. i just urge you to have realistic expectations, and, try referring to the wine resources, since, in my experience, they are quite well documented | 14:38 |
| Tyreal | ok thankyou for the advice | 14:39 |
| Tyreal | so back to the original question, which version would you suggest? | 14:39 |
| holstein | Tyreal: if you are expecting to play games, flawlessly, or, run *any* code, for that matter, flawlessly, and without bugs, then, yes.. i would expect to run whatever OS the creators support | 14:39 |
| holstein | its not really a "Bug" that code created for windows doenst work on linux.. | 14:39 |
| holstein | but, again, it literally wont hurt to try | 14:39 |
| Tyreal | thats true | 14:39 |
| holstein | Tyreal: i could make an argument for either version, actually.. it would be nice to, for example, get things setup, since, it can be hack-ish, and problematic.. just set it and forget it, for the term of an LTS release.. | 14:40 |
| holstein | but, it may be, newer code in the more recent release facilitates something you need.. which, i find less to be the case with wine.. though, i dont use wine anymore like that.. on a regular basis.. | 14:41 |
| Tyreal | hmmmm that does make it difficult | 14:41 |
| Tyreal | i'm running 15.04 at the moment | 14:41 |
| holstein | Tyreal: but, one can make a lot of these tests from the live iso.. you can run the 15.04 live iso, and install wine, and likely, install a game, and test.. | 14:41 |
| holstein | Tyreal: i say, keep what you got, then, and, if you run into issues, dont assume that going to 14.04 would "fix" anything.. | 14:41 |
| Tyreal | but have been told that 14.04 can be more supported as you say | 14:41 |
| holstein | Tyreal: its not "more supported".. its just longer term support | 14:42 |
| holstein | again, just stick to the facts of it.. its intended to be a longer term support.. so, you can install, and get support, for 5 years, for main ubuntu, and 3 for most of the flavors.. | 14:42 |
| holstein | 15.04 is supported for 9 months.. so, 3 months after 15.10 releases.. it will be EOL | 14:43 |
| Tyreal | please excuse my ignorance but EOL? | 14:43 |
| holstein | so, you would upgrade to 15.10,or fresh install.. in the 3 months after 15.10 releases.. or, with 14.04, you just continue to update and use.. | 14:43 |
| holstein | eol = end of life.. and what does that mean? or look like? | 14:43 |
| holstein | the repo are dead.. and no updates come in.. this doesnt mean you cant use the 15.04 product as long as you choose, and maintain it yourself.. | 14:44 |
| Tyreal | ok cool, thankyou for this! | 14:44 |
| holstein | its not really that either 14.04, or 15.04 are "better", neccessarily.. but, one can certainly fit a need better than the other.. but, that can be quite relative.. | 14:45 |
| Tyreal | so if i was to get 14.04 would it update to the same features as 15.10 | 14:45 |
| holstein | Tyreal: it depends on what you consider a "feature".. | 14:45 |
| holstein | but, no.. basically, 14.04 is more frozen than that.. | 14:45 |
| Tyreal | also would you mind explaining the need for 15.04 compared to 14.04 not including the longer support | 14:45 |
| holstein | so, 14.04 doesnt become 15.04, or 15.10.. its just that the packages in 14.04 are maintained.. | 14:45 |
| holstein | Tyreal: you cant.. its literally the term of support that is the difference | 14:46 |
| Tyreal | oh i see now | 14:46 |
| holstein | Tyreal: 14.04 is supported for 5 years.. and 3 years for most flavors | 14:46 |
| Tyreal | so its ever evolving and you need to continuously obtain the latest to actually get all the new features if any | 14:47 |
| holstein | why have 15.04? its a newer version of everything | 14:47 |
| holstein | 15.10 is even newer.. but, its not supported as long.. | 14:47 |
| holstein | so, the quesiton you have to think about is, do you need the longer term of support? more "set it and forget it", or, the latest packages, which, requires updating every 6 months.. | 14:48 |
| Tyreal | by newer do you mean features or code? | 14:48 |
| holstein | to think of one as more "Stable", or less "buggy", i dont think is constructive | 14:48 |
| holstein | Tyreal: i mean, newer versions.. that can be per package.. | 14:48 |
| holstein | python, for example. if its at a certain release point in 14.04, its at that point.. so, things that depend on python can hinge on that | 14:49 |
| holstein | thats why you cant just simply update versions | 14:49 |
| holstein | now, its up to python what that newer version facilitates.. are there new features? maybe not.. and, maybe nothing you care about having.. | 14:49 |
| poppe | I was trying to add an other key layout on my system but gets error: "setxkbmap -option grp:ctrl_shift_toggle "se,en" Error loading new keyboard description" . remedies? | 21:48 |
| poppe | the frist was the command | 21:48 |
| poppe | i think I got it... | 21:52 |
| poppe | :) | 21:52 |
| mig_ | ok, so i added some tiling keybindings to lubuntu and they work fairly well, only there's some applications which don't tile like they should.. any ideas as to why and how to solve? | 23:05 |
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