[05:32] would anyone be able to point in the right direction with setting up a virtual machine on lubuntu 15.04 [06:05] vbox, qemu/kvm, or even vmware. [06:05] !qemu [06:05] qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo [06:05] !vbox [06:05] Virtualbox is a virtualizer for x86 and amd64 architectures. It's available in the package "virtualbox" in the !repositories, and you can download the Virtualbox Extension Pack for additional, non-Free functionality at http://virtualbox.org . Additional details can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox [06:25] thankyou will try those\ [14:30] which version of lubuntu is least buggy at the moment? [14:31] lol.. "buggy" can be a matter of the hardware support for linux.. lets go with what is "supported" [14:31] sorry my mistake [14:31] 14.04 is the lts.. the long term support.. 15.04 is the current regular release.. [14:31] thankyou :) [14:31] which one would you suggest? [14:31] Tyreal: no.. thats not a bad question.. i just want to be clear about not promising soemthing that is "bug-free".. [14:32] Tyreal: for me, i just try and stick to the facts of the scenario.. do i want or need the latest packages? or, do i want or need a longer term of support?.. [14:33] is the machine going to a family member, who, basically just needs a web browser, and, i could set them up with a machine every 3 years? or, is this going to be a gaming rig, that could benefit from the latest kernels, and GPU drivers?.. these type of questions can typically help me sort out which is likely best [14:33] thats a tough question and i honestly am not sure which is the better answer haha [14:33] Tyreal: whats the goal of the machine? [14:34] well i would like to set up a vm or set up wine for play a couple of games to test them out and what not\ [14:35] i wouldnt expect that to work out well.. i would want to do any gaming like that on a bare metal install [14:36] and, i would research the wine community, and see what others say about the support, or lack of.. [14:36] how would i go about play those games though [14:36] !wine [14:36] WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu [14:36] Tyreal: well, ideally, the company making the games would say "here you go, have a linux version of our product that natively runs on the operating system you are using.." [14:37] and if thats not the case? [14:37] if they dont, then, it can be a frustrating hack of a mess to even get something that is kind of partially working.. [14:38] fair enough, what would you suggest then, lol just keep it as a basic machine? [14:38] get another one for gaming [14:38] but, it doenst hurt to try it. i just urge you to have realistic expectations, and, try referring to the wine resources, since, in my experience, they are quite well documented [14:39] ok thankyou for the advice [14:39] so back to the original question, which version would you suggest? [14:39] Tyreal: if you are expecting to play games, flawlessly, or, run *any* code, for that matter, flawlessly, and without bugs, then, yes.. i would expect to run whatever OS the creators support [14:39] its not really a "Bug" that code created for windows doenst work on linux.. [14:39] but, again, it literally wont hurt to try [14:39] thats true [14:40] Tyreal: i could make an argument for either version, actually.. it would be nice to, for example, get things setup, since, it can be hack-ish, and problematic.. just set it and forget it, for the term of an LTS release.. [14:41] but, it may be, newer code in the more recent release facilitates something you need.. which, i find less to be the case with wine.. though, i dont use wine anymore like that.. on a regular basis.. [14:41] hmmmm that does make it difficult [14:41] i'm running 15.04 at the moment [14:41] Tyreal: but, one can make a lot of these tests from the live iso.. you can run the 15.04 live iso, and install wine, and likely, install a game, and test.. [14:41] Tyreal: i say, keep what you got, then, and, if you run into issues, dont assume that going to 14.04 would "fix" anything.. [14:41] but have been told that 14.04 can be more supported as you say [14:42] Tyreal: its not "more supported".. its just longer term support [14:42] again, just stick to the facts of it.. its intended to be a longer term support.. so, you can install, and get support, for 5 years, for main ubuntu, and 3 for most of the flavors.. [14:43] 15.04 is supported for 9 months.. so, 3 months after 15.10 releases.. it will be EOL [14:43] please excuse my ignorance but EOL? [14:43] so, you would upgrade to 15.10,or fresh install.. in the 3 months after 15.10 releases.. or, with 14.04, you just continue to update and use.. [14:43] eol = end of life.. and what does that mean? or look like? [14:44] the repo are dead.. and no updates come in.. this doesnt mean you cant use the 15.04 product as long as you choose, and maintain it yourself.. [14:44] ok cool, thankyou for this! [14:45] its not really that either 14.04, or 15.04 are "better", neccessarily.. but, one can certainly fit a need better than the other.. but, that can be quite relative.. [14:45] so if i was to get 14.04 would it update to the same features as 15.10 [14:45] Tyreal: it depends on what you consider a "feature".. [14:45] but, no.. basically, 14.04 is more frozen than that.. [14:45] also would you mind explaining the need for 15.04 compared to 14.04 not including the longer support [14:45] so, 14.04 doesnt become 15.04, or 15.10.. its just that the packages in 14.04 are maintained.. [14:46] Tyreal: you cant.. its literally the term of support that is the difference [14:46] oh i see now [14:46] Tyreal: 14.04 is supported for 5 years.. and 3 years for most flavors [14:47] so its ever evolving and you need to continuously obtain the latest to actually get all the new features if any [14:47] why have 15.04? its a newer version of everything [14:47] 15.10 is even newer.. but, its not supported as long.. [14:48] so, the quesiton you have to think about is, do you need the longer term of support? more "set it and forget it", or, the latest packages, which, requires updating every 6 months.. [14:48] by newer do you mean features or code? [14:48] to think of one as more "Stable", or less "buggy", i dont think is constructive [14:48] Tyreal: i mean, newer versions.. that can be per package.. [14:49] python, for example. if its at a certain release point in 14.04, its at that point.. so, things that depend on python can hinge on that [14:49] thats why you cant just simply update versions [14:49] now, its up to python what that newer version facilitates.. are there new features? maybe not.. and, maybe nothing you care about having.. [21:48] I was trying to add an other key layout on my system but gets error: "setxkbmap -option grp:ctrl_shift_toggle "se,en" Error loading new keyboard description" . remedies? [21:48] the frist was the command [21:52] i think I got it... [21:52] :) [23:05] ok, so i added some tiling keybindings to lubuntu and they work fairly well, only there's some applications which don't tile like they should.. any ideas as to why and how to solve?