[05:32] <Tyreal> would anyone be able to point in the right direction with setting up a virtual machine on lubuntu 15.04
[06:05] <Unit193> vbox, qemu/kvm, or even vmware.
[06:05] <Unit193> !qemu
[06:05] <Unit193> !vbox
[06:25] <Tyreal> thankyou will try those\
[14:30] <Tyreal> which version of lubuntu is least buggy at the moment?
[14:31] <holstein> lol.. "buggy" can be a matter of the hardware support for linux.. lets go with what is "supported"
[14:31] <Tyreal> sorry my mistake
[14:31] <holstein> 14.04 is the lts.. the long term support.. 15.04 is the current regular release..
[14:31] <Tyreal> thankyou :)
[14:31] <Tyreal> which one would you suggest?
[14:31] <holstein> Tyreal: no.. thats not a bad question.. i just want to be clear about not promising soemthing that is "bug-free"..
[14:32] <holstein> Tyreal: for me, i just try and stick to the facts of the scenario.. do i want or need the latest packages? or, do i want or need a longer term of support?..
[14:33] <holstein> is the machine going to a family member, who, basically just needs a web browser, and, i could set them up with a machine every 3 years? or, is this going to be a gaming rig, that could benefit from the latest kernels, and GPU drivers?.. these type of questions can typically help me sort out which is likely best
[14:33] <Tyreal> thats a tough question and i honestly am not sure which is the better answer haha
[14:33] <holstein> Tyreal: whats the goal of the machine?
[14:34] <Tyreal> well i would like to set up a vm or set up wine for play a couple of games to test them out and what not\
[14:35] <holstein> i wouldnt expect that to work out well.. i would want to do any gaming like that on a bare metal install
[14:36] <holstein> and, i would research the wine community, and see what others say about the support, or lack of..
[14:36] <Tyreal> how would i go about play those games though
[14:36] <holstein> !wine
[14:36] <holstein> Tyreal: well, ideally, the company making the games would say "here you go, have a linux version of our product that natively runs on the operating system you are using.."
[14:37] <Tyreal> and if thats not the case?
[14:37] <holstein> if they dont, then, it can be a frustrating hack of a mess to even get something that is kind of partially working..
[14:38] <Tyreal> fair enough, what would you suggest then, lol just keep it as a basic machine?
[14:38] <Tyreal> get another one for gaming
[14:38] <holstein> but, it doenst hurt to try it. i just urge you to have realistic expectations, and, try referring to the wine resources, since, in my experience, they are quite well documented
[14:39] <Tyreal> ok thankyou for the advice
[14:39] <Tyreal> so back to the original question, which version would you suggest?
[14:39] <holstein> Tyreal: if you are expecting to play games, flawlessly, or, run *any* code, for that matter, flawlessly, and without bugs, then, yes.. i would expect to run whatever OS the creators support
[14:39] <holstein> its not really a "Bug" that code created for windows doenst work on linux..
[14:39] <holstein> but, again, it literally wont hurt to try
[14:39] <Tyreal> thats true
[14:40] <holstein> Tyreal: i could make an argument for either version, actually.. it would be nice to, for example, get things setup, since, it can be hack-ish, and problematic.. just set it and forget it, for the term of an LTS release..
[14:41] <holstein> but, it may be, newer code in the more recent release facilitates something you need.. which, i find less to be the case with wine.. though, i dont use wine anymore like that.. on a regular basis..
[14:41] <Tyreal> hmmmm that does make it difficult
[14:41] <Tyreal> i'm running 15.04 at the moment
[14:41] <holstein> Tyreal: but, one can make a lot of these tests from the live iso.. you can run the 15.04 live iso, and install wine, and likely, install a game, and test..
[14:41] <holstein> Tyreal: i say, keep what you got, then, and, if you run into issues, dont assume that going to 14.04 would "fix" anything..
[14:41] <Tyreal> but have been told that 14.04 can be more supported as you say
[14:42] <holstein> Tyreal: its not "more supported".. its just longer term support
[14:42] <holstein> again, just stick to the facts of it.. its intended to be a longer term support.. so, you can install, and get support, for 5 years, for main ubuntu, and 3 for most of the flavors..
[14:43] <holstein> 15.04 is supported for 9 months.. so, 3 months after 15.10 releases.. it will be EOL
[14:43] <Tyreal> please excuse my ignorance but EOL?
[14:43] <holstein> so, you would upgrade to 15.10,or fresh install.. in the 3 months after 15.10 releases.. or, with 14.04, you just continue to update and use..
[14:43] <holstein> eol = end of life.. and what does that mean? or look like?
[14:44] <holstein> the repo are dead.. and no updates come in.. this doesnt mean you cant use the 15.04 product as long as you choose, and maintain it yourself..
[14:44] <Tyreal> ok cool, thankyou for this!
[14:45] <holstein> its not really that either 14.04, or 15.04 are "better", neccessarily.. but, one can certainly fit a need better than the other.. but, that can be quite relative..
[14:45] <Tyreal> so if i was to get 14.04 would it update to the same features as 15.10
[14:45] <holstein> Tyreal: it depends on what you consider a "feature"..
[14:45] <holstein> but, no.. basically, 14.04 is more frozen than that..
[14:45] <Tyreal> also would you mind explaining the need for 15.04 compared to 14.04 not including the longer support
[14:45] <holstein> so, 14.04 doesnt become 15.04, or 15.10.. its just that the packages in 14.04 are maintained..
[14:46] <holstein> Tyreal: you cant.. its literally the term of support that is the difference
[14:46] <Tyreal> oh i see now
[14:46] <holstein> Tyreal: 14.04 is supported for 5 years.. and 3 years for most flavors
[14:47] <Tyreal> so its ever evolving and you need to continuously obtain the latest to actually get all the new features if any
[14:47] <holstein> why have 15.04? its a newer version of  everything
[14:47] <holstein> 15.10 is even newer.. but, its not supported as long..
[14:48] <holstein> so, the quesiton you have to think about is, do you need the longer term of support? more "set it and forget it", or, the latest packages, which, requires updating every 6 months..
[14:48] <Tyreal> by newer do you mean features or code?
[14:48] <holstein> to think of one as more "Stable", or less "buggy", i dont think is constructive
[14:48] <holstein> Tyreal: i mean, newer versions.. that can be per package..
[14:49] <holstein> python, for example. if its at a certain release point in 14.04, its at that point.. so, things that depend on python can hinge on that
[14:49] <holstein> thats why you cant just simply  update versions
[14:49] <holstein> now, its up to python what that newer version facilitates.. are there new features? maybe not.. and, maybe nothing you care about having..
[21:48] <poppe> I was trying to add an other key layout on my system but gets error: "setxkbmap -option grp:ctrl_shift_toggle "se,en"    Error loading new keyboard description" . remedies?
[21:48] <poppe> the frist was the command
[21:52] <poppe> i think I got it...
[21:52] <poppe> :)
[23:05] <mig_> ok, so i added some tiling keybindings to lubuntu and they work fairly well, only there's some applications which don't tile like they should.. any ideas as to why and how to solve?