[00:33] <mhall119> ahoneybun: the alternative was that they use Ubuntu's resources and don't give anything to keep those resources available to you and Kubuntu
[01:29] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I'm just quoting
[01:32] <mhall119> ahoneybun: it's not totally wrong, Valve wanted to sell millions of consoles that used Ubuntu's bandwidth and infrastructure to keep their users up to date, and they didn't want to pay Canonical to use them
[01:33] <ahoneybun> oh I'm sure
[01:33] <ahoneybun> keep profits high
[01:33] <mhall119> the thing is, if that happened, it means that Kubuntu's users would be competing for those resources with Steam gamers, who outnumber you by a couple orders of magnitude
[01:34] <ahoneybun> under 1% of linux users really
[01:34] <mhall119> Canonical invests in that infrastructure for Ubuntu, and it gives derivatives like Kubuntu free use of them because we value community and because we can currently swallow those costs
[01:34] <ahoneybun> still a lot
[01:35] <mhall119> but we can't afford to swallow the cost of supporting SteamOS users
[01:35] <ahoneybun> that sounds so like company talk
[01:35] <ahoneybun> tbh
[01:35] <ahoneybun> oh yea a company like Valve can pull their own weight I agree
[01:35] <mhall119> ahoneybun: that doesn't make it not true
[01:36] <ahoneybun> I just like to have your honest thought on the whole thing
[01:36] <mhall119> the thing is, if we don't have the IP policy, our options become "Let both Valve and Kubuntu use it for free" or "Let *neither* Valve nor Kubuntu use it for free"
[01:36] <ahoneybun> but again I don't want to let this get between us
[01:37] <mhall119> The policy, as messy as it is, let's us take a middle ground that allow community derivates free access while not allowing commercial derivates free access
[01:37] <ahoneybun> I enjoy Ubuntu as it lets me get involved with the whole Open Source community
[01:37] <ahoneybun> even past Ubuntu
[01:37] <ahoneybun> and help other projects like LibreOffice
[01:39] <mhall119> my honest opinion is that (A) it's messy but (B) it's the only option I've heard that lets something like Kubuntu exist without having to rebuild everything from scratch
[01:40] <ahoneybun> flavors sure
[01:40] <ahoneybun> but derivates have to build from source
[01:40] <ahoneybun> I understand the cost point 
[01:40] <mhall119> even Mint and Elementary, we can extend the free option to them, but we can do it selectively so that we don't give billion-dollar companies the same privilege
[01:41] <ahoneybun> I feel that most are angry/pissed about the messiness of it
[01:41]  * ahoneybun not sure if that is a word
[01:41] <ahoneybun> I don't see elementary going on for long with their release cycle not matching Ubuntu
[01:42] <mhall119> that's some of it, some of it is the normal FUD and hate-mongering that we get for almost everything. I think most of it is just misunderstanding what the policy does, or a mismatch of expectations of what Canonical should be doing
[01:43] <mhall119> people tend to think that Kubuntu and Mint use Ubuntu the way Ubuntu uses Debian, but it's really quite different
[01:43] <ahoneybun> I'm just a bit biased ;) in it but it doesnt' stop me from trying to understand both points
[01:43] <mhall119> IMO, it would be extremely unethical if Canonical were to point 40 million users at Debian's servers, rather than providing our own
[01:44] <ahoneybun> kubuntu and mint point at Ubuntu servers
[01:44] <ahoneybun> while Ubuntu rebuilds from debian with patches
[01:44] <ahoneybun> (for Unity quite a bit lol)
[01:44] <mhall119> less that it used to be :)
[01:45] <ahoneybun> that is the reason I stopped packaging for a while
[01:45] <ahoneybun> or trying anyway
[01:45] <ahoneybun> damn patches
[01:45] <mhall119> I hated workign with patches, me and quilt didn't get along
[01:45] <ahoneybun> me and nothing got along
[01:45] <ahoneybun> lol
[01:46] <ahoneybun> mhall119: check this out: https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=breeze.git&a=commit&h=3ebb6ed33fb6522b0f5ca855a9fbd2b79c165e65
[01:46] <ahoneybun> I made it into a upstream release!
[01:46] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I saw your G+ post about that :)
[01:46] <mhall119> congratulations
[01:46] <ahoneybun> lots of things came from Akademy
[01:47] <ahoneybun> thanks
[01:48] <ahoneybun> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfbK2MzsEDU
[01:48] <ahoneybun> python for prizes lol
[02:01] <Nothing_Much> ahoneybun, wow
[02:01]  * Nothing_Much is jealous
[02:01] <ahoneybun> jealous?
[02:02] <ahoneybun> I wonder if I could write my Android settings on a NFC device so I can just tap for backups...
[02:02] <Nothing_Much> I feel so alone that I know nothing about programming, but I run Linux!
[02:03] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: that's fixable :)
[02:04] <Nothing_Much> Well, either I learn programming to fit in the crowd, or more people like me start using a proper Linux distro, like Ubuntu.
[02:05] <ahoneybun> proper?
[02:05] <Nothing_Much> Android isn't a proper Linux distro.
[02:05]  * ahoneybun has moved to Arch before
[02:05]  * Nothing_Much 's talking about Android
[02:05] <ahoneybun> Hopefully Plasma Mobile will be ready in a year or so
[02:06] <Nothing_Much> Whatever gets people to use better software, whether by exploitation or not, is going to be the best thing for FOSS and the GPL.
[02:07]  * ahoneybun pokes mhall119 to get NFC to work on Ubuntu Phone
[02:07] <mhall119> poking the wrong person
[02:08] <Nothing_Much> NFC?
[02:08] <ahoneybun> maybe you could poke the right person
[02:08] <ahoneybun> near field communction
[02:08] <mhall119> is there a Qt API for NFC?
[02:08] <ahoneybun> no clue
[02:08] <Nothing_Much> what's NFC do?
[02:08] <mhall119> ah, looks like there is
[02:08] <ahoneybun> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtnfc-index.html
[02:08] <ahoneybun> yep
[02:08] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: very close poximity communication between devices
[02:09] <Nothing_Much> like a vaccuum cleaner? o.o
[02:09] <ahoneybun> depends if the system is set to use it
[02:09] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: it's what Apple Pay and Google Wallet use, so you can pay from your phone
[02:09] <Nothing_Much> ohhhhhhh that thing
[02:09] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I have a NFC tag in my van that turns off wifi, pairs my phone and car audio , and opens Google Play Music :)
[02:10] <ahoneybun> thing is that the iPhone 6 can only use it for Apple Pay
[02:10] <ahoneybun> Android lets you use it for TONSSSSS of things
[02:14] <Nothing_Much> nice
[02:14] <Nothing_Much> but still
[02:14] <Nothing_Much> Android isn't a proper Linux distro
[02:14] <Nothing_Much> well, hopefully that changes once KDE releases that application that allows Android apps to run on actual Linux distros!
[02:15] <ahoneybun> feels like you don't like Android
[02:18] <ahoneybun> sounds like
[02:27] <Nothing_Much> yeah, kinda
[02:33] <ahoneybun> types his phone on his tv lol
[02:39] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: KDE being able to run Android apps isn't going to make Android a proper distro
[02:40] <Nothing_Much> well, I know that
[02:40] <Nothing_Much> but that means I have more choices and I could run Android apps on Linux :0
[12:18] <Garheade> Morning yo