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zequencemicahg: I added a branch to Bug 148713706:27
ubottubug 1487137 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "ubuntustudio metapackages reference lv2fil, jack-rack, specimen, phat removed from Debian" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148713706:27
zequenceAlso, if you could please also sync ardour 4.2 to wily, Bug 148935006:28
ubottubug 1489350 in ardour3 (Ubuntu) "Sync ardour3 4.2~dfsg-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148935006:28
zequenceThat is the package we were talking about backporting to trusty06:29
cubgood morning zequence I'm just wondering if you got my email from google docs yesterday, about the PR wiki?08:02
zequencecub: Yes. Did you make any changes to the original wiki page yet, though?08:08
zequenceAlso, why not just edit a wiki page instead?08:08
zequenceAll changes are restorable08:08
zequenceWhat I would do is put the old stuff in a new wiki page, and start over with the whole structure of the PR part of the wiki08:09
zequenceThe old stuff can be used as reference08:09
cubNo I wanted to have a discussion around it before we did any changes08:10
cubalright, that would be easier than to use email, google docs or libreoffice for new revisions08:11
cubI didn't want to step on any toes before editing. :)08:11
cubI wasn't sure if and how the email-share from google docs would work 08:14
zequenceDon't worry about stepping on toes. No toes to step on.08:14
cubI've been using google since I cheat with an ipad on my daily commute, which is when I get to do most open source stuff. On a non open source platform...08:15
zequenceSince no one is actively working on structuring that stuff08:15
cubI'll update the wiki on my next bus ride then.08:16
zequenceThe only one who has been working on structuring the wiki is me, pretty much. There was no structure in the past, just a page with links, and lots of pages that no one knew even existed08:16
zequenceOthers have helped editing content on a few pages during my time, but that's about it08:17
zequenceAs long as not two people are trying to do the same thing, I'm ok with anything when it comes to wiki. Self understood that the work is for improving, using old material as inspiration. And, after someone did something, just ask for opinions.08:20
zequenceUsually not many have'em08:20
cubanyone talked to ttoine lately?08:22
zequencecub: Why?08:29
zequenceI'm building unreal editor as a side project. Remember asking them, probably 10 years ago, or more, how much the license to use unreal engine would cost. It was like 2 million dollars, or maybe it was SEK. Don't remember. A lot, anyway. Now, the engine seems to be pretty much open source, it's free to download - they just ask for 5% royalty. Business has changed.08:32
zequenceI tried building it yesterday with an 8 core piledriver. Good to have lots of cores when compiling, but stuff gets hot!!!08:35
zequenceI'm doing the same on a i5, dual core (4 threads). Will probably burn through the table.08:37
cubI was thinking from his recent email whether he was thinking of leaving ubuntu studio or if it's just an idea he's toying with08:40
cub5% royality of 0$ is....08:41
zequenceThe only things I know he has been involved in is maintaining a wiki help page, and the merchandise store08:53
zequenceThe store is nice to have. So, if he doesn't want to have it anymore, someone else should take it over08:54
zequenceMight require a communication with Canonical, to get an agreement for selling the products, as it was personal to ttoine08:54
zequenceI once asked if someone else could help him admin the page, since the cup that was faulty is still up, though I've told him about the problem at least three times08:55
zequenceHe declined because the agreement is for him personally, so no one else can be admin08:55
cuboh I thought that mug was out of the store already. I'm sporting two at home though. :P09:03
cubAnd yes, the agreement with Canonical was personal, which was a bit weird as Ubuntu Studio is an official flavour, but I didn't follow the whole discussion around it09:04
holsteinits not "stepping on toes", though.. i feel the same about it, cub 14:00
holsteini want to have a talk, in a meeting, for example14:00
cubI have started to do som edits, and have been looking in at setting up a meeting. But maybe you are more up to date on how to run the meeting bot?14:01
holsteincub: i have ran it, before.. its not that bad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology14:02
holsteincub: tbh, i find it completely disheartening, how challenging it is to try and make a meeting happen14:03
cubyes I read through it, but it's another thing remembering the stuff while running the meeting 14:03
cubhmm I wouldn't say that. We set one up. Then if noone show up we can feel disheartening.14:03
holsteincub: it doesnt have to be done without error :)14:03
holsteinthere are folks that can assist, for sure..14:04
cubif run in the ubuntu meeting channel with 283 viewers, yes it has to be. ;)14:04
holsteinnah14:04
cubas we don't have our own meeting-bot like xubunt14:04
holsteinthats what that channel is for.. everyone has to learn.. its fine14:04
cubwe lost our monthly meeting spot though.14:04
zequencePerhaps we could set up our own meeting bot?14:05
cubmaybe, if we end up running regular meetings it could be useful14:05
holsteinsure.. but, there is alreay *everything* in place..14:05
cubbooking the fridge calendar requires planning14:06
holsteinyup.. that would be nice14:06
zequenceThe meetings channel is not exactly full, so there is plenty of time of course14:06
cubsure14:06
cubdepending on which time would be best. Seems we don't need to cover Asia anymore though14:07
cubholstein, which time zone are you in?14:07
cuband OvenWerks ?14:07
holsteincan please everyone.. just gotta go for it, and see what the feedback is.. and vote.. etc14:08
zequenceAsia is not an issue anymore, no. smartboyhw's dad probably had some other plans for him other than developing two Ubuntu flavors for free14:08
holstein"action item: moving the meeting time to.. " for example14:08
zequenceholstein: Why not you?14:08
holsteinanyways, the meeting bot logs it, which is handy..14:08
cubsmartboyshw's dad should read up on Linus thorvalds. ;)14:08
holsteinzequence: why not me, what?14:08
cubyeah, the bot is great for meeting minutes and action point14:08
zequenceholstein: Sorry, I read that as "anyone"14:09
zequenceThe best place to get opinions on meeting times is on the mail list, since not everyone is here14:09
zequenceI would start with suggesting a weekend day, since most people have some kind of day job14:10
cubmy experience of getting everyones opinion on time end up with no time. Working in a large company...14:10
holsteini would just pick a day that works for you, and have the meeting.. and there, you can work with what folks say14:10
holsteincrowd sourcing the meeting time goes like this.. "when do you want the meeting to be?".. and, all variables come in..14:10
cubthere is some meeting planners available where you can set up 2-4 alternatives and people click on which ones are best14:11
holsteini would just, again, go for something close to whatever the xubuntu team does.. maybe that time of dayy, roughly..14:11
zequenceWell, I am free between 8am to 22pm every day pretty much14:11
cubfor me it's weekdays from 20.30 CET that is best14:11
holsteincub: id say, make it good for you..14:12
zequenceOvenWerks works I think. He's in Canada14:12
cubnot sure what that would be in the US/Canada14:12
zequence-7,-8, something like that14:12
zequenceWould mean lunch time14:12
cubhmm14:13
holsteini think 20:30 CET is 3:30 pm EST14:13
zequenceAh, CET.14:13
zequenceWe're about 2h +14:13
cubI gotta run though, picking up my daughter14:13
cubor CEST as of now...;)14:13
cubsee ya later!14:13
zequenceUnless we in Europe want to be up really late for a meeting, don't think weekdays work14:23
zequenceIt's got to be a weekend. And, I have a tough time imagining that you can't set ONE meeting up, say every month, when at least most people can attend14:23
zequenceWell, maybe if it's around 23:00 our time, and it works for everyone14:24
zequence..then weekdays could work too14:24
OvenWerksWeekends would be best for me. I am at -700 right now, till the end of DST. I am PDT/PST if that helps. I think sometime around 6am for me would be best for most people. (1300 utc) I can go later than that at least on Saturday, but on Sunday I need to be finished by 15:30 UTC.20:48
OvenWerksEvenings for me are difficult as I have family stuff I need to take care of. (I am home from work by 2100 UTC and need sleep by 0500 UTC)20:51
OvenWerksThis will change sometime in November when I become -0800...21:50

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