[06:27] <zequence> micahg: I added a branch to Bug 1487137
[06:28] <zequence> Also, if you could please also sync ardour 4.2 to wily, Bug 1489350
[06:29] <zequence> That is the package we were talking about backporting to trusty
[08:02] <cub> good morning zequence I'm just wondering if you got my email from google docs yesterday, about the PR wiki?
[08:08] <zequence> cub: Yes. Did you make any changes to the original wiki page yet, though?
[08:08] <zequence> Also, why not just edit a wiki page instead?
[08:08] <zequence> All changes are restorable
[08:09] <zequence> What I would do is put the old stuff in a new wiki page, and start over with the whole structure of the PR part of the wiki
[08:09] <zequence> The old stuff can be used as reference
[08:10] <cub> No I wanted to have a discussion around it before we did any changes
[08:11] <cub> alright, that would be easier than to use email, google docs or libreoffice for new revisions
[08:11] <cub> I didn't want to step on any toes before editing. :)
[08:14] <cub> I wasn't sure if and how the email-share from google docs would work 
[08:14] <zequence> Don't worry about stepping on toes. No toes to step on.
[08:15] <cub> I've been using google since I cheat with an ipad on my daily commute, which is when I get to do most open source stuff. On a non open source platform...
[08:15] <zequence> Since no one is actively working on structuring that stuff
[08:16] <cub> I'll update the wiki on my next bus ride then.
[08:16] <zequence> The only one who has been working on structuring the wiki is me, pretty much. There was no structure in the past, just a page with links, and lots of pages that no one knew even existed
[08:17] <zequence> Others have helped editing content on a few pages during my time, but that's about it
[08:20] <zequence> As long as not two people are trying to do the same thing, I'm ok with anything when it comes to wiki. Self understood that the work is for improving, using old material as inspiration. And, after someone did something, just ask for opinions.
[08:20] <zequence> Usually not many have'em
[08:22] <cub> anyone talked to ttoine lately?
[08:29] <zequence> cub: Why?
[08:32] <zequence> I'm building unreal editor as a side project. Remember asking them, probably 10 years ago, or more, how much the license to use unreal engine would cost. It was like 2 million dollars, or maybe it was SEK. Don't remember. A lot, anyway. Now, the engine seems to be pretty much open source, it's free to download - they just ask for 5% royalty. Business has changed.
[08:35] <zequence> I tried building it yesterday with an 8 core piledriver. Good to have lots of cores when compiling, but stuff gets hot!!!
[08:37] <zequence> I'm doing the same on a i5, dual core (4 threads). Will probably burn through the table.
[08:40] <cub> I was thinking from his recent email whether he was thinking of leaving ubuntu studio or if it's just an idea he's toying with
[08:41] <cub> 5% royality of 0$ is....
[08:53] <zequence> The only things I know he has been involved in is maintaining a wiki help page, and the merchandise store
[08:54] <zequence> The store is nice to have. So, if he doesn't want to have it anymore, someone else should take it over
[08:54] <zequence> Might require a communication with Canonical, to get an agreement for selling the products, as it was personal to ttoine
[08:55] <zequence> I once asked if someone else could help him admin the page, since the cup that was faulty is still up, though I've told him about the problem at least three times
[08:55] <zequence> He declined because the agreement is for him personally, so no one else can be admin
[09:03] <cub> oh I thought that mug was out of the store already. I'm sporting two at home though. :P
[09:04] <cub> And yes, the agreement with Canonical was personal, which was a bit weird as Ubuntu Studio is an official flavour, but I didn't follow the whole discussion around it
[14:00] <holstein> its not "stepping on toes", though.. i feel the same about it, cub 
[14:00] <holstein> i want to have a talk, in a meeting, for example
[14:01] <cub> I have started to do som edits, and have been looking in at setting up a meeting. But maybe you are more up to date on how to run the meeting bot?
[14:02] <holstein> cub: i have ran it, before.. its not that bad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[14:03] <holstein> cub: tbh, i find it completely disheartening, how challenging it is to try and make a meeting happen
[14:03] <cub> yes I read through it, but it's another thing remembering the stuff while running the meeting 
[14:03] <cub> hmm I wouldn't say that. We set one up. Then if noone show up we can feel disheartening.
[14:03] <holstein> cub: it doesnt have to be done without error :)
[14:04] <holstein> there are folks that can assist, for sure..
[14:04] <cub> if run in the ubuntu meeting channel with 283 viewers, yes it has to be. ;)
[14:04] <holstein> nah
[14:04] <cub> as we don't have our own meeting-bot like xubunt
[14:04] <holstein> thats what that channel is for.. everyone has to learn.. its fine
[14:04] <cub> we lost our monthly meeting spot though.
[14:05] <zequence> Perhaps we could set up our own meeting bot?
[14:05] <cub> maybe, if we end up running regular meetings it could be useful
[14:05] <holstein> sure.. but, there is alreay *everything* in place..
[14:06] <cub> booking the fridge calendar requires planning
[14:06] <holstein> yup.. that would be nice
[14:06] <zequence> The meetings channel is not exactly full, so there is plenty of time of course
[14:06] <cub> sure
[14:07] <cub> depending on which time would be best. Seems we don't need to cover Asia anymore though
[14:07] <cub> holstein, which time zone are you in?
[14:07] <cub> and OvenWerks ?
[14:08] <holstein> can please everyone.. just gotta go for it, and see what the feedback is.. and vote.. etc
[14:08] <zequence> Asia is not an issue anymore, no. smartboyhw's dad probably had some other plans for him other than developing two Ubuntu flavors for free
[14:08] <holstein> "action item: moving the meeting time to.. " for example
[14:08] <zequence> holstein: Why not you?
[14:08] <holstein> anyways, the meeting bot logs it, which is handy..
[14:08] <cub> smartboyshw's dad should read up on Linus thorvalds. ;)
[14:08] <holstein> zequence: why not me, what?
[14:08] <cub> yeah, the bot is great for meeting minutes and action point
[14:09] <zequence> holstein: Sorry, I read that as "anyone"
[14:09] <zequence> The best place to get opinions on meeting times is on the mail list, since not everyone is here
[14:10] <zequence> I would start with suggesting a weekend day, since most people have some kind of day job
[14:10] <cub> my experience of getting everyones opinion on time end up with no time. Working in a large company...
[14:10] <holstein> i would just pick a day that works for you, and have the meeting.. and there, you can work with what folks say
[14:10] <holstein> crowd sourcing the meeting time goes like this.. "when do you want the meeting to be?".. and, all variables come in..
[14:11] <cub> there is some meeting planners available where you can set up 2-4 alternatives and people click on which ones are best
[14:11] <holstein> i would just, again, go for something close to whatever the xubuntu team does.. maybe that time of dayy, roughly..
[14:11] <zequence> Well, I am free between 8am to 22pm every day pretty much
[14:11] <cub> for me it's weekdays from 20.30 CET that is best
[14:12] <holstein> cub: id say, make it good for you..
[14:12] <zequence> OvenWerks works I think. He's in Canada
[14:12] <cub> not sure what that would be in the US/Canada
[14:12] <zequence> -7,-8, something like that
[14:12] <zequence> Would mean lunch time
[14:13] <cub> hmm
[14:13] <holstein> i think 20:30 CET is 3:30 pm EST
[14:13] <zequence> Ah, CET.
[14:13] <zequence> We're about 2h +
[14:13] <cub> I gotta run though, picking up my daughter
[14:13] <cub> or CEST as of now...;)
[14:13] <cub> see ya later!
[14:23] <zequence> Unless we in Europe want to be up really late for a meeting, don't think weekdays work
[14:23] <zequence> It's got to be a weekend. And, I have a tough time imagining that you can't set ONE meeting up, say every month, when at least most people can attend
[14:24] <zequence> Well, maybe if it's around 23:00 our time, and it works for everyone
[14:24] <zequence> ..then weekdays could work too
[20:48] <OvenWerks> Weekends would be best for me. I am at -700 right now, till the end of DST. I am PDT/PST if that helps. I think sometime around 6am for me would be best for most people. (1300 utc) I can go later than that at least on Saturday, but on Sunday I need to be finished by 15:30 UTC.
[20:51] <OvenWerks> Evenings for me are difficult as I have family stuff I need to take care of. (I am home from work by 2100 UTC and need sleep by 0500 UTC)
[21:50] <OvenWerks> This will change sometime in November when I become -0800...