[00:00] <bluesabre> back
[00:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: suppose its time to start uploading things again
[00:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: do you have a computer with nvidia?
[00:02] <Unit193> Not new nvidia.
[00:03] <bluesabre> even better
[00:03] <bluesabre> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/commit/?id=8a67212860898ef02fee79f64fc774bc14ed769c
[00:03] <bluesabre> I wonder if that works for older nvidia
[00:04] <bluesabre> (and newer_
[00:04] <Unit193> xfce 10439
[00:05] <bluesabre> I think you have an ati/amd box around, right?
[00:05] <Unit193> fglrx netbook.
[00:06] <bluesabre> that would be a fun test if you're interested
[00:06] <bluesabre> I'm probably going to add that patch to one of my ppas and give it a go
[00:06] <Unit193> 204 on nvidia, and the fglrx is a slightly older version as the new one was craptastic.
[00:08] <drc> Interesting. 15.04 now has FF40 while 15.10(b1 atleast) has FF38.
[00:09] <bluesabre> yeah, for some reason devel always lags behind on firefox releases
[00:09] <Unit193> drc: It's in -proposed, because of a stupid ftbfs on powerpc.
[00:10] <drc> People still have PowerPC's?
[00:10] <Unit193> Doesn't matter, it's still holding things back.
[00:10] <bluesabre> g5 still has one of the coolest cases
[00:10] <Unit193> (I do, but not putting Ubuntu on it.)
[00:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: Got a G3, laptop and desktop. :P
[00:11] <bluesabre> sawtooth?
[00:11] <bluesabre> I can only imagine how slow those things must be
[00:25] <Unit193> bluesabre: So I'm supposed to test this for some reason then?  And you'll do a good job patching it up? :P
[00:26] <bluesabre> Unit193: don't worry aobout it yet, I'll bug you about it again later :)
[00:27] <bluesabre> I wonder if we have to FFe xfpanel-switch to just add it to the seed...
[06:40] <knome> we should get our target size changed to avoid those "oversizes" messages
[06:44] <Unit193> Or become smaller again...
[06:45] <knome> mhm, not so easy this time
[06:46] <Unit193> Well, aren't gcc/g++/etc unstripped?
[06:46] <Unit193> That'll help some.
[06:48] <knome> what do you mean by unstripped
[07:05] <newform8|SM-G386> Arizona Nebraska Units States they spell anus  
[07:05] <knome> newform8|SM-G386, this is a family-friendly channel.
[07:05] <knome> newform8|SM-G386, so please stop. thank you.
[07:05] <newform8|SM-G386> you're welcome I will 
[07:06] <knome> also, if you are looking for a general chatter room, we have #xubuntu-offtopic for that purpose (family-friendly as well)
[07:11] <newform8|SM-G386> thanks I'm there now but I don't want to talk about what I typed about. you see, I thought I was typing that into a different room 
[07:27] <knome> newform8|SM-G386, you are free not to talk.
[07:27] <knome> newform8|SM-G386, but please do the not talking or talking on #xubuntu-offtopic 
[07:27] <knome> unless it is related to xubuntu development.
[07:28] <DalekSec> Then do the talking or the not talking on #xubuntu-devel.
[08:02] <ochosi> bluesabre: just fyi, i asked around and ubiquity will get a new upload soon, so our installer bug (transition to feh) should be fixed for 15.10
[08:02] <knome> :)
[08:43] <newform8|SM-G386> knome, I understand, I was just saying that I didn't mean to type what I originally typed in here 
[08:44] <newform8|SM-G386> if I payed more attention to the label of the room, I would have entered the message onto the intended room, which wasn't this one 
[10:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: that's great news
[10:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: added a debdiff for our libreoffice report, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1483914
[10:55] <bluesabre> it takes FOREVER to build lo
[11:01] <Unit193> Yeeep
[11:02] <bluesabre> oh boy
[11:02] <bluesabre> here comes gcc5
[11:03]  * bluesabre closes email app
[11:08] <Unit193> gcc5?
[11:10] <bluesabre> "No-change rebuild using GCC 5."
[11:11] <bluesabre> lots and lots and lots of that
[11:20] <Unit193> You haven't updated in a while, have you?
[11:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: In wily, apt-cache show suckless-tools, what do you see?
[11:21] <flocculant> not seen any rebuilds for gcc5 for a week or so
[11:22]  * Unit193 just did a ton today.
[11:24] <bluesabre> Unit193: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12213468/
[11:25] <Unit193> Not just me, wondered if it'd matter en_GB vs en_US.
[11:25] <Unit193> bluesabre: Thanks, missing long description.
[11:25] <bluesabre> np
[11:26] <flocculant> bluesabre: did you see the parole crash of close with X comment yesterday? 
[11:26] <flocculant> which I can confirm
[11:26] <knome> pleia2, updated lp:xubuntu-website/docs-startpage (14.10 is EOL)
[11:27] <flocculant> bug 1489533
[11:34] <flocculant> added crash file to it 
[11:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: want that reported at bugzilla? 
[11:42] <brainwash> bug 1488494
[11:43] <bluesabre> flocculant: sure, if you're feeling reporty
[11:43] <brainwash> flocculant: this appears to be related
[11:43] <bluesabre> and thanks!
[11:43] <bluesabre> and hey brainwash 
[11:43] <brainwash> hello bluesabre 
[11:44] <bluesabre> I'll be working on bug reports this weekend, trying to knock the big ones out (mugshot camera, parole crash on close)
[11:45] <bluesabre> I have a mostly working solution for mugshot
[11:46] <bluesabre> currently camera is flipped and missing the right side, so not yet complete :D
[11:52] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[12:01] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok, done that
[12:01] <flocculant> brainwash: it does
[13:29] <knome> ochosi, bluesabre: is the plan to keep 4.12 for 16.04, eg. no develeopment components?
[13:30] <ochosi> knome: depends, so far there is only the power manager that comes to mind...
[13:30] <knome> long time until 16.04 too
[13:30] <ochosi> i presume we'd manage to do a first stable release with that
[13:30] <ochosi> but i don't expect too much overall progress in xfce-land until 16.04 tbh
[13:30] <ochosi> unless a horde of motivated devs show up and port the hell out of it
[13:30] <flocculant> hello peeps
[13:32] <ochosi> hey flocculant 
[13:32] <knome> 'lo
[13:37] <ochosi> knome, bluesabre: after some more thinking, i guess we'll have to evaluate the situation during 16.04 based on xfce4.14's progress, but i guess i'd rather be conservative about mixing in dev versions in the LTS release
[13:37] <knome> like in 12.04? (:
[13:37] <ochosi> hehe
[13:38] <ochosi> well if the 4.14 progress means we might be able to upgrade 16.04 to it "soon after the release"...
[13:38] <knome> hah
[13:38] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, ofourdan is not a fan of us picking the vsync patch for xubuntu (read #xfce-dev ftm)
[14:25] <bluesabre> ochosi: it's ok, we're past ff now and I wasn't sure about it yet
[14:26] <bluesabre> ochosi: re: 16.04 and 4.14
[14:26] <bluesabre> let's not ship too many dev things
[14:26] <bluesabre> unless we're already carrying them in wily
[14:27] <bluesabre> can be a huge pain to update them later in that lts cycle, so many things change around in dev releases
[14:29] <bluesabre> let's shoot for a really solid release ;)
[16:26] <sidi> Hey, im having trouble building the Xubuntu 14.04 version of Thunar
[16:26] <sidi> says I'm missing thunar-thumbnail-cache-dbus.xml
[17:36] <knome> bluesabre, i think i generally agree - mostly because i don't think there's anything worth breaking our LTS in 4.13
[17:51] <knome> bluesabre, and heads up, we want to upload the wallpaper before UIF, please tell me when you need it so you will certainly have time to upload it
[17:51] <knome> slickymasterWork, ping ping, we should look at updating the installer slideshow some time soon
[17:53] <slickymasterWork> yes we should knome. Next sunday? Are you free?
[17:53] <slickymasterWork> I'll be unavailable tonight and tomorrow all day
[17:54] <slickymasterWork> still no word from neither from dylan or from graber
[17:55] <slickymasterWork> - from
[17:58] <slickymasterWork> have to go now, knome but will be around sunday
[18:05] <knome> slickymaster, sunday should work, though wife has a day off, so i don't know about the day
[18:06] <knome> slickymaster, evening is good as always
[19:01] <bluesabre> sidi: ./configure --enable-maintainer-mode
[19:02] <bluesabre> knome: anytime you want to make it available I can upload it
[19:49] <sidi> bluesabre, damn that must be what i was missing
[19:49] <sidi> i ended up copy pastaing xml files from another build tree, so lame :x
[19:50] <knome> sidi, newb.
[19:55] <sidi> knome, meh.
[19:55] <sidi> i was busy
[19:59] <bluesabre> sidi: that might have solved it, and if not, pretend that I didn't say anything
[20:00] <sidi> bluesabre, I reckon you're right from what I read in the makefiles
[20:00] <sidi> i'm pretty confident I forgot to use that flag
[20:00] <bluesabre> :)
[20:21] <pleia2> knome: flyers arrived early!
[20:25] <pleia2> knome: https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/20966299721/ & https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/20966314621/
[20:26] <pleia2> (and anyone else who is interested :))
[20:28] <bluesabre> pleia2: those look great!
[20:29] <pleia2> yeah, I'm really happy with them
[20:34] <knome> pleia2, awesome
[20:34] <knome> now you can close your work item and see it being done today on the timeline ;)
[20:35] <pleia2> yeah already DONE-ed in
[20:35] <pleia2> s/in/it
[20:35] <knome> cool
[20:35] <knome> and it shows up as it should
[20:35] <knome> \o/
[20:36] <knome> we should get these up on the website and social mediaize it
[20:36] <pleia2> social mediaed
[20:36] <knome> oh
[20:36] <knome> ok
[20:36] <pleia2> no time to do blog post right now, maybe once we update the website and generate download links and stuff
[20:36]  * pleia2 airplane in a few hours
[20:38] <knome> ok, i'll be on my desktop soon and can prepare stuff etc
[21:04] <mhall119> pleia2: are you getting community donations money to print those flyers?
[21:08] <knome> updated http://xubuntu.org/products/ with preliminary stuff; will move the files to static.xubuntu.org later
[21:08] <knome> pleia2, ^ feel free to comment (or just overwrite) if you think it can be further improved)
[21:55] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah agreed
[22:09] <knome> pleia2, lp:xubuntu-website/static-assets is updated for your pleasure
[22:09] <knome> ochosi, quick question: does the formatting of the release names satisfy you in the sidebar at http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/blog/ ?
[22:09] <knome> ochosi, and is http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/release/14-04/ fine for the formatting as is?
[22:10] <knome> if yes, then i'll ask IS to take this to production
[22:10] <ochosi> looks good to me, but why does 13.04 not have a codename?
[22:11] <knome> because it's not inserted
[22:11] <ochosi>  /o\
[22:11] <knome> hah
[22:12] <ochosi> no seriously, looks good to me :)
[22:13] <knome> heh, good to have checked.
[22:13] <knome> let's make a sane order for the widget.
[22:13]  * knome looks up the documentation for "get_germs"
[22:14] <knome> oopsiedaisy.
[22:14] <knome> no natural "version" sort
[22:35] <knome> righto, done
[22:37] <knome> poking IS next
[22:43] <knome> ok, done
[23:40] <azzenovic_> hi I've read about xubuntu core and I was wondering apart from being bare bones(no application preinstalled nearly) does it offer the same xfce experience as Xubuntu ?
[23:43] <knome> not exactly the same, but there are surely similarities
[23:43] <azzenovic_> mmmm in other words what am i gonna miss exactly?
[23:44] <knome> there is no definite list
[23:44] <knome> see yourself
[23:47] <azzenovic_> Xubuntu has been surprising me for years and to be frank I needed something barebones like xubuntu core