[10:43] <gremble> Good morning
[11:03] <smile|away> good afternoon :)
[13:23] <melodie> hello!
[13:23] <melodie> what's up?
[13:24] <melodie> anyone has seen Kilos?
[13:26] <gremble> Hey melodie 
[13:26] <melodie> hello gremble 
[13:26] <gremble> Haven't seeh him around, but I've been afk for most of the week as well
[13:26] <melodie> and afayk what's up here?
[13:27] <gremble> No idea. 
[13:27] <gremble> :P
[13:27] <melodie> omg!
[13:27] <melodie> what are we going to become? :D
[13:28] <gremble> :P
[13:28] <melodie> does someone else here have news? superfly are you around?
[13:30] <superfly> melodie: DebConf16 is in Cape Town
[13:31] <melodie> superfly wao wao! are you a Debian user, and is Kilos there?
[13:31] <superfly> melodie: I am a Debian user and contributor, I have a package in the Debian (and Ubuntu) repositories
[13:31] <melodie> and have you read that Debian might get a ppa place in the future?
[13:32] <melodie> I think you told me about your package once, a kind which I don't use I think
[13:32] <superfly> No, I didn't. Sounds good, though I never found it difficult to find a sponsor and get my package in.
[13:38] <melodie> you are lucky!
[13:39] <melodie> I'd like to know someone who has packaging skills for the Bento Openbox project and for a few programs one particularly, which is now orphan and is very good to have
[13:40] <melodie> it's xsettingsd, it can replace gnome-settings-daemon and has had a patch from Unit193, so that it complies fully with the freedesktop.org standards, and his patch was added upstream
[13:40] <melodie> so if you know people who can add themselves to the list of Debian packagers, and are willing to contribute with light pieces of software, I'd be interested
[13:41] <melodie> to know one ore more
[13:41] <superfly> melodie: if you can do the packaging, all you need is a mentor.
[13:41] <superfly> er, sponsor
[13:42] <melodie> superfly I delay the moment when I'll start doing that, because there are tons of details to fix before
[13:43] <melodie> and I can't become an official Debian developer, I don't have developing skills. At best I might do PPA packages, following the Debian and Ubunt guidelines
[13:43] <melodie> and probably with heavy help from the Debian and Ubuntu mentors/devs
[13:44] <melodie> you should believe me: I would like to have more skills, but I have to face the reality
[13:44] <melodie> because I tried before :)
[13:47] <superfly> Debian developers are not developers, they're just packagers
[13:47] <superfly> Some of them do some development, but that's not necessarily specifically related to what they do with Debian
[13:50] <MaNI> there is some skill overlap sometimes :P
[13:58] <melodie> hi MaNI 
[13:59] <melodie> it seems to me that kill overlap is often there really and quite useful
[14:01] <MaNI> for more complex packages it would probably be difficult to deal with problems without at least a decent knowledge of how programming works I would think
[14:01] <melodie> just saying, if someone here would want to adopt Ubuntu Builder and continue developping it, it would be lovely
[14:01] <MaNI> (especially c++ projects)
[14:01] <MaNI> for smaller stuff its maybe not as important
[14:02] <melodie> this is Ubuntu Builder: http://linuxvillage.org/en/2015/07/ubuntu-builder-original-tutorial/
[14:02] <melodie> the UI is great, it works wonderful, allows making spins quite fast with mostly knowledge of command lines and of the file system tree
[14:03] <melodie> and it's written in a language that not many people like as it seems. Gambas
[14:05] <melodie> I have ported the whole pdf from his repos to this page, to make it easier to show
[14:06] <melodie> hoping someone can be interested in the future (not too far in the future :D )
[15:52] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[15:53] <Kilos> greetings inetpro melodie gremble nlsthzn smile and others 
[15:55] <melodie> hello Kilos !
[15:55] <melodie> you are mostly the one I wanted to see here! :D
[15:55] <Kilos> lol
[15:55] <Kilos> i thought so
[15:56] <Kilos> ive been out of it for some weeks now
[15:56] <Kilos> how are you girl?
[15:56] <melodie> Kilos I am very excited to tell you I am now working on Xubuntu in Ubuntu Builder : to build the next Malinux, distro built on Ubuntu by a great guy who now lacks time and needs a hand
[15:56] <melodie> hopefully I will succeed it making it right, the way he had done with the 12.04 version
[15:57] <Kilos> wonderful
[15:57] <Kilos> now  you gonna be even more busy
[15:57] <melodie> and also I am thinking of sending the specific files to gitlab, in the Bento group, as "Malinux" project, so others could reuse it
[15:57] <melodie> not really more busy, if I can get through this one, then upload then people can test it
[15:58] <melodie> and they can provide feedback too perhaps?
[15:58] <melodie> at least some of the guys here who have a somehow decent connection?
[15:59] <melodie> I still have some details to fix, but I'm now almost ready to build the first test iso
[15:59] <Kilos> wlee melodie give the links here and on the africa channel and lets hope
[15:59] <Kilos> whew
[16:00] <melodie> this is a teaser, I'm working on it right now and it's not yet online. 
[16:00] <melodie> once built, I'll test in virtualbox 
[16:01] <melodie> and depending on the result I might put it online, or not, as a alpha 
[16:01] <melodie> and if that is ok as an alpha, I'll ask the author of the spin if I can upload the files to gitlab :)
[16:02] <Kilos> nice
[16:02] <Kilos> good luck
[16:02] <melodie> and now, do you have a LUG from Mali?
[16:02] <Kilos> but im sure youll get it right
[16:03] <melodie> I'm never sure until it's done.
[16:03] <Kilos> oh lemme thing
[16:03] <Kilos> yes
[16:03] <melodie> yes?
[16:03] <Kilos> wait a bit
[16:03] <Kilos> maybe
[16:04] <Kilos> only lug i have is linuxaccra@yahoogroups.com
[16:04] <Kilos> i had to use a yahoo account to get to join them i think
[16:05] <Kilos> also there are some guys in zimbabwe that might be interested
[16:05] <melodie> yes of course
[16:05] <melodie> all Africa can be interested
[16:05] <Kilos> Maaz  google linuxaccra
[16:05] <Maaz> Kilos: "Zorin" http://forum.chinainternshipplacements.com/ :: "Download - AITI-KACE" http://www.aiti-kace.com.gh/images/1380SFD%20Activities.pdf :: "OpenGhana" http://openghana.org/ :: "2013/Ghana/Accra/Laug - Software Freedom Day Wiki" http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2013/Ghana/Accra/Laug :: "List of Africa FOSS Communities | Free Software and Open Source ..."
[16:05] <Maaz> http://www.fossfa.net/node/25 :: "Download (4MB) - LSE Theses Online - London School of .…
[16:06] <melodie> and also see how wonderful it is to use Ubuntu Builder, with a pair of additional tweaks
[16:06] <Kilos> oh they are ghana i tyhink
[16:06] <melodie> Kilos some links for you and them:
[16:06] <melodie> http://www.biloutoguna.org/
[16:06] <nlsthzn> o/
[16:06] <melodie> this says "humanitarian France/Mali non for profit association"
[16:07] <melodie> hi nlsthzn 
[16:07] <Kilos> melodie  drop them here and mail me as well please with the info then i can fprward it to the africa list
[16:07] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[16:07]  * nlsthzn wrestling sleepy baby
[16:08] <nlsthzn> with teeth
[16:08] <Kilos> or melodie why dont you join the africa group and mailing list
[16:08] <Kilos> lolol
[16:08] <melodie> Kilos because I can't be in more places
[16:08] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa
[16:08] <Kilos> yes man just join the group and mailing list
[16:08] <melodie> http://linuxvillage.org/en/2015/07/ubuntu-builder-original-tutorial/
[16:08] <Kilos> it is one mail a month
[16:09] <melodie> maybe on day in the future, if I consider moving to an African country, or visiting ;-)
[16:09] <melodie> for the time being too many things cooking
[16:09] <Kilos> lol
[16:09] <melodie> Kilos this is what is cooking:
[16:10]  * nlsthzn got curry cooking
[16:10] <melodie> http://bentovillage.me http://bentovillage.me/todo http://bentovillage.me/documentation
[16:10] <Kilos> lol
[16:10] <melodie> and I haven't yet linked them together nor decided what font I will finally keep for all :D
[16:10] <Kilos> nlsthzn  you like messing around
[16:10] <melodie> and the doc to write
[16:11] <melodie> and the things in the todo to be done (hopefully some will step in to help?)
[16:11] <nlsthzn> :/ I can't get my desktop speakers to mute when I plug my headphones into the front headphone jack :/
[16:11] <Kilos> have a look at bento if you want to play with a light ubuntu spin
[16:11] <melodie> nlsthzn and are the headphones working then?
[16:12]  * nlsthzn is currently on mint again... but will think of bento when I hop again
[16:12] <nlsthzn> melodie: yup
[16:12] <melodie> Kilos for the Bento Openbox edition the people need to go to linuxvillage.org and same with /en/
[16:12] <Kilos> oh melodie you havent met nlsthzn he is a za guy working in UAE
[16:12] <melodie> nlsthzn have you tried the rear connectors?
[16:12]  * nlsthzn really enjoyed messing with Trinity DE a few weeks ago :)
[16:12] <melodie> nlsthzn ok! pleased to meet you!
[16:13] <Kilos> nlsthzn  and she is in france
[16:13] <nlsthzn> melodie: rear connectors all in use for 5.1 surround sound
[16:13] <nlsthzn> melodie: nice to meet you :D
[16:13] <melodie> South France close to Toulouse, the 4th tech city in France
[16:13] <melodie> nlsthzn is it Linux Mint you are using right now?
[16:14] <nlsthzn> if memory served the headphones used to work a few distro versions ago...
[16:14] <nlsthzn> melodie: yup 17.1 so basically ubu 14.04
[16:14] <nlsthzn> 17.2 sorry
[16:14] <melodie> no no
[16:14] <melodie> not basically
[16:14] <Kilos> lolol
[16:14] <melodie> the guy has done strange things tech speaking in there
[16:14] <nlsthzn> well the issue is cross distro and even on debian 8
[16:14] <melodie> as Kilos says, what would you think about trying Bento Openbox?
[16:15] <melodie> let me show you
[16:15] <melodie> http://linuxvillage.org/en/2015/07/bento-openbox-trusty-soon-final/
[16:15] <nlsthzn> I don't like the idea when I install an application I have to go and create a menu entry for it in openbox, or has that changed?
[16:15] <melodie> it's final now but I didn't write the presentation yet
[16:16] <melodie> you don't have to, there is openbox-menu installed  and configured
[16:16] <melodie> this is an Openbox for all
[16:16] <nlsthzn> it won't solve my issue :p
[16:16] <melodie> nlsthzn it's explained here: http://bentovillage.me/
[16:16] <melodie> nlsthzn you don't know that
[16:16] <nlsthzn> this is true
[16:16] <melodie> I have paid attention to what packages I included for the sound
[16:17] <nlsthzn> so it won't work in 14.04, mint 17.2 or debian 8 but in bento it will because...?
[16:17] <melodie> if it's not a matter of packages it might be a matter of hardware, or specific setup, then if Bento Openbox does not help, I know someone on another chan who will be able to help you with the config
[16:17] <nlsthzn> :p
[16:18] <nlsthzn> I will consider it when the distro hop bug bites... thanks for the enthusiasm :)
[16:18] <melodie> I don't know if it will work or not, I just say there are more chances, because I added things that they don't add in the other editions
[16:18] <melodie> such as non free firmware, or alsa-oss and more...
[16:19] <melodie> well you can grab it any time for a whirl as live cd or in virtualbox
[16:19] <melodie> http://linuxvillage.org/en/downloads/
[16:19] <melodie> the places are here
[16:19] <nlsthzn> thanks melodie :)
[16:19] <melodie> no problem
[16:23] <smile> greetings Kilos ;)
[16:23] <melodie> hi smile 
[16:23] <nlsthzn> all well uncle Kilos ?
[16:24] <Kilos> bit out of it for a while now nlsthzn got a b/p of 95/61 so kinda weak and tired all the time
[16:24] <Kilos> thats why i have been so slack here
[16:25] <melodie> Kilos have you started to use the harpagophytum we talked about some months ago?
[16:25] <Kilos> nope melodie  been to docs for all kinds of thests and thinks and going in for a hernia op on the 22nd
[16:26] <melodie> I see
[16:26] <nlsthzn> sorry to hear uncle Kilos ... any thing to be done to pick up the pressure?
[16:26] <melodie> what I wish you to take good care of yourself
[16:26] <Kilos> im lifting it slowly nlsthzn with lots of salt
[16:27] <Kilos> well not lots
[16:27] <Kilos> 1/4 teaspoon with water twice a day
[16:27] <nlsthzn> ok, hope it helps !
[16:27] <Kilos> it will ty
[16:28] <Kilos> if not dsocs must sort that as well on the 22nd
[16:28] <Kilos> docs
[16:28] <nlsthzn> he better
[16:28] <melodie> so this is about low blood pressure? most people I know who have trouble with that are too high
[16:28] <nlsthzn> >:(
[16:28] <Kilos> lol
[16:28] <Kilos> melodie  mine is from meds for prostate
[16:29] <melodie> ok
[16:29] <nlsthzn> sucks
[16:29] <Kilos> i get to sleep lots though
[16:29] <melodie> I wish you to find a good med, one that gives plants and appropriate diet
[16:29] <melodie> for the whole body and well being
[16:31] <nlsthzn> +1
[16:31] <Kilos> well melodie after the op i want to try not have anything to do with man made meds again
[16:32] <Kilos> there is no alternative to the knife yet
[16:34] <melodie> there might be but considering the condition of your's, I don't know how that could fit in
[16:34] <melodie> I have tried and heard about things such as specific diets, but I'm not a naturopathe so I don't know when it can apply and when it can't
[16:34] <Kilos> they got to cut, only way to join torn stomach linings
[16:35] <melodie> if you had the prostate issue solve, you would not need these meds anymore than that would solve the low blood pressure issue
[16:36] <Kilos> yes well that at least seems to be improving
[16:36] <Kilos> once cured ill be off the meds
[16:37] <Kilos> then everything will be cool again 
[16:39] <nlsthzn> hope it happens soon :)
[16:39] <Kilos> yeah me too man, miss sitting here
[16:39] <nlsthzn> you are missed, channel is dead
[16:40] <Kilos> sorry, but ill be back dont worry
[16:42] <nlsthzn> no worries uncle Kilos ... rest and get better...
[16:43] <melodie> yes, take good care
[16:43] <nlsthzn> this here isn't important, you are
[16:44] <Kilos> irc is very important to me
[16:46] <nlsthzn> yes but your health > IRC
[16:46] <nlsthzn> so when you are better than IRC please
[16:46] <nlsthzn> *then
[16:47] <nlsthzn> I am sure all your hard work won't be undone before you are here to continue
[16:50]  * nlsthzn goes for dinner... 
[16:50] <nlsthzn> get better uncle Kilos ! that
[16:50] <nlsthzn> that
[16:50] <nlsthzn> that's an order
[16:50] <nlsthzn> stupid enter button to close to the ' button
[16:53] <Kilos> lol
[17:37] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:13] <smile> bye :)
[18:15] <gremble> tewdles
[18:15] <gremble> Hey kulelu88 
[18:15] <kulelu88> yo gremble 
[18:15] <gremble> How are you doing?
[18:22] <superfly> oooo http://sourcefoundry.org/hack/
[18:38] <kulelu88> all good and you? gremble 
[18:40] <kulelu88> superfly: do you work with pandas or matplotlib?
[18:41] <superfly> kulelu88: I haven't worked with either. I know of matplotlib and I've heard of pandas (I think)
[19:02] <kulelu88> aah okay thanks superfly 
[19:02] <kulelu88> what exactly is that typeface thing? 
[19:20] <Cryterion> inetpro - are you around?
[19:21] <Cryterion> and hi everyone
[19:23] <Cryterion> maaz: it's late
[19:23] <Maaz> Cryterion: Huh?
[19:24] <Cryterion> Maaz: you're a bot!
[19:24] <Maaz> Cryterion: Sorry...
[19:24] <gremble> I am well thanks kulelu88 
[19:24] <Cryterion> heya gremble
[19:25] <gremble> Hey Cryterion 
[19:25] <gremble> The whole font thing is a bit weird to me
[19:26] <gremble> I'm not even sure what kind of font I am currently using, but it works perfectly for me
[19:32] <kulelu88> Maaz needs some NLP
[19:32] <Maaz> kulelu88: What?
[19:32] <kulelu88> gremble: so its a thing about fonts?
[19:42] <superfly> kulelu88: sorry, was caught up in minetest. it's a font.
[19:43] <kulelu88> eeek I think I'm still on the local minetest server :D
[19:50] <superfly> kulelu88: thatgraemeguy's server?
[19:50] <kulelu88> yeah, same one
[19:51] <kulelu88> you guys built mansions there
[19:55] <gremble> Who here is good with css?
[19:56] <kulelu88> gremble: I may be able to assist
[19:58] <gremble> I have a table that I don't know the size of before hand, however, I want the cells to fit the content. width: auto almost works, but I want the cells to have the size of the largest one
[19:58] <kulelu88> that sounds more like a need for javascript combined with css
[19:59] <gremble> That will make me sad
[20:00] <kulelu88> gremble: screenshot?
[20:01] <gremble> http://grump.xyz/2015/08/24/Propositional-Logic/ I'm working on this post and the tables I have there work for what are in them now. I changed some glyphs to mathjax because on my phone the biconditional glyp is bright red
[20:02] <gremble> Now it is slightly longer than what fits comfortably
[20:06] <kulelu88> gremble: space them out with spaces I guess
[20:07] <gremble> I switched from the glyphs to complete latex, now it fits. Thanks for looking anyway kulelu88 
[20:08] <kulelu88> np gremble