[04:24] <anmol> hi
[04:25] <anmol> i am trying to flash on my nexus 4 mako
[04:25] <anmol> ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu --bootstrap
[04:25] <anmol> using this comman
[04:25] <anmol> it is stuck at 90 percent
[04:25] <anmol> in termical
[04:25] <anmol> terminal*
[04:25] <anmol> should i terminate it?
[04:25] <anmol> and try again?
[04:26] <anmol> anyone therE?
[04:27] <Stanley00> anmol: how long have it been stucked?
[04:29] <anmol> 5 minutes
[04:29] <anmol> i killed it bdw
[04:29] <anmol> i ran the command again
[04:30] <anmol> and if it will stuck now then it will be like the 3rd time
[04:33] <Stanley00> anmol: well, maybe it need to download some file from internet, or maybe there's error while copying to devive (no space left on device, or something...), the whole screen log of the tool may have more details?
[05:11] <anmol> any offline way to flash ubuntu touch on nexus 4 mako ?
[05:12] <anmol> i get stuck very time while downloading
[05:13] <anmol> anyone there to help?
[05:21] <Stanley00> anmol: ubuntu-device-flash has an option to download the image to its cache before hand, you can try that
[05:22] <Stanley00> anmol: or, you can try get the meta json file, get the image files with stable downloader and move the image files to ubuntu-device-flash cache.
[05:22] <Stanley00> anmol: I don't have ubuntu machine atm, so I cannot tell you where exactly, just the general ideas.
[05:27] <anmol> do we have a path to the files @stanley ?
[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[08:39] <Thaurwylth> Greetings, all. I'm right now pondering. I haven't bought anything yet, nor decided yet. Pondering. The thing is I plan to get a tablet with PC like harware, ie not ARM, but PC like as I said. And then I'd try to make it Ubuntu dual or Ubuntu exclusive. I sort of know that this is possible. Is it wiser to get a Windows tablet for this or Android?
[08:42] <Stanley00> Thaurwylth: You cannot flash ubuntu to device not running android, IIRC
[08:42] <Thaurwylth> Is that indeed the case? Like, no Ubuntu on Windows phones? Whoa!
[08:44] <Stanley00> Thaurwylth: to be correct, "you can not flash ubuntu touch", someone already flashed ubuntu desktop to surface
[08:45] <ogra_> Thaurwylth, you can try one of the desktop-next images ... but most of the backend stuff (i.e. everything talking to hardware) wont be able to make use of your hardware with that
[08:46] <Thaurwylth> Yeah, I guess I get a rather big screen tablet with fast processor and lots of space etc, so running the desktop version wouldn't be an issue I guess. And I don't really like touch screens either. Although I think I hear there's a caveat...
[08:46] <ogra_> (wifi, sound and graphics might work, BT, GPS and sensors most likely wont)
[08:48] <Thaurwylth> I mean with booting and not having a touch screen available - can this always be surpassed by having a USB keyboard?
[08:49] <ogra_> if you use the desktop-next with keyboard and mouse it turns into a desktop UI (otherwise it is the same as on the phone and tablets)
[08:51] <Thaurwylth> Yeah, and this wouldn't cause problems with GRUB or anything? I mean getting GRUB to respond to a USB keyboard. Or mouse, in case you ever need mouse for anything on GRUB.
[08:51] <Thaurwylth> Because the idea of dual boot kind of doesn't work unless you can input choices in GRUB.
[08:51] <ogra_> nah, that works today ... how else would you manage grub on a PC ?
[08:51] <Thaurwylth> Sounds fair.
[08:53] <Thaurwylth> So, did I now understand / gather correctly that only Ubuntu Touch has features that support touch screen?
[08:58] <ogra_> Thaurwylth, well, given that it is the default interface on phones ... make a guess ;)
[08:59] <Thaurwylth> Fair enough.
[09:00] <dhbiker> ogra_ what if i have asus transformer pad ? it should recognize the touchscreen right ?
[09:00] <ogra_> doesnt that use android ?
[09:00] <Thaurwylth> Now I found this http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/FAQ , is this still current, ie everything is up to date, right?
[09:00] <dhbiker> the one i have is x86
[09:01] <dhbiker> well... x64 but x86 bootloader... stupid
[09:01] <ogra_> and it runs windows ?
[09:01] <dhbiker> yes
[09:01] <ogra_> well, i guess it should (no guarantees indeed)
[09:01] <dhbiker> bootloader.. EFI
[09:01] <dhbiker> my bad
[09:02] <dhbiker> it's pretty good device for portability and stuff but windows is not my fav os
[09:03] <Thaurwylth> So, is it still true that there is no X11 for Touch?
[09:04] <dhbiker> Mir afaik.. i asked that few weeks ago
[09:08] <guest42315> Thaurwylth, xmir
[09:09] <dhbiker> == xwayland ? :D
[09:09] <Thaurwylth> OK, I'll use Google for that.
[09:13] <Thaurwylth> OK then... If Ubuntu is run on Android device from chroot, does this cause the Android to, I don't know, somehow running 'around' it or whatever, in a virtual machine style thingamajik? Especially does this cause additional CPU or memory consumption or bottlenecks?
[09:13] <ogra_> Thaurwylth, no
[09:14] <Thaurwylth> Wohoo!
[09:14] <ogra_> it is the other way round ... it boots a normal ubuntu and before it needs to access any hardware it fires up a minimal android install (just enough to run the needed drivers and configure them) in an lxc container
[09:15] <Thaurwylth> Gee, thanks. This is sort of good news.
[09:15] <Thaurwylth> Hm, I was pretty sure that I might get a Windows tablet and run desktop Ubuntu installation, but now I actually might have to think this over again.
[09:16] <ogra_> on x86 installs that container might not be needed (depending on your hardware) ... but services try to talk to the container by default currently ... which is why i said some HW will likely not work
[09:18] <Thaurwylth> How light APPROXIMATELY is Touch compared to the desktop version? I know this sounds like Xubuntu vs Lubuntu question and that there are no easy answers to that question. But approximately.
[09:18] <ogra_> well, not many things work in the desktop mode yet ... dont expect being able to use it as a full blown  desktop setup
[09:19] <Thaurwylth> Hm, OK, I'll make a mental note on that.
[09:19] <ogra_> (by default you wont be able to run libreoffice or other desktop apps yet, that requires a lot of tinkering )
[09:20] <Thaurwylth> I see.
[09:20] <Thaurwylth> Well, anyways, thanks a lot, this has been very helpful.
[09:32] <gihel_> hi guys, does the new OTA6 fix the unity crashes ? I'm still waiting for it (bq 4.5)
[09:40] <ogra_> unity crashes ?
[09:42] <gihel_> yeah some freezes
[09:42]  * ogra_ hasnt heard of that or seen it anywhere 
[09:42] <gihel_> ogra_: and need to restart the phone
[09:42] <ogra_> did you file a bug ?
[09:42] <ogra_> usually the reports get closed if a fix gets released
[09:43] <popey> gihel_: is there a crash file in /var/crash?
[09:43] <gihel_> didn't file a bug
[09:43] <gihel_> I'm checking the logs
[10:05] <gihel_> can't find anything, I will check again just after a freeze, it happens once every couple of days
[10:07] <gihel_> I only have crash files for messaging app, location serviced, webapp conti
[10:07] <gihel_> container*
[10:08] <gihel_> and scoperunner that I don't ever use
[10:15] <gihel_> when the bug occurs, the screen is frozen, touchscreen is not responding, and I can only turn off the screen or restart the device
[10:18] <morphis> gihel_: does it come back after a while when you leave the screen on?
[10:19] <gihel_> morphis: as long as I waited, no
[10:19] <morphis> how long did you wait?
[10:20] <gihel_> morphis: maybe 5 ou 10 minutes ? should I wait longer ?
[10:20] <morphis> no
[10:20] <morphis> then it's not the bug I suspected
[10:23] <gihel_> (I'm afk for one hour, bbl)
[10:29] <nik90> popey, ogra_: I experience the bug that gihel_ is talking about. Rarely, every few days where the phone just freezes. Can't do anything other than a phone reboot. (BQ E4.5). Waited for about 10-15 mins during which battery drops really fast.
[10:30] <nik90> the /var/crash folder doesnt have any unity8 crash logs
[10:36] <popey> nik90: i have seen similar on my retail bq, but not on my ota-6 one
[10:36] <popey> so that's promising
[10:37] <nik90> popey: ah glad to hear that.
[11:28] <gihel_> yes, good news, thanks
[12:33] <dhbiker> nik90 same here about that bug... but on arale i can lock it and few seconds after that unlock it with no problems
[13:14] <kenvandine> renatu, that content-hub hasPending branch has landed now
[13:15] <renatu> kenvandine, nice, thanks
[13:16] <kenvandine> np
[13:23] <kenvandine> jgdx, you have a merge conflict now in your hwKeyboardPrototype branch
[13:23] <kenvandine> jgdx, it's the depends in debian/control that caused that
[13:24] <kenvandine> jgdx, just merge from my mouse_panel branch again and you'll be good
[13:30] <jgdx> kenvandine, ack
[13:35] <didrocks> thanks for the content-hub fixes kenvandine!
[13:36] <kenvandine> didrocks, thanks for reporting the bugs!
[13:55] <kenvandine> jgdx, please kick a rebuild of silo 36 when you fix the conflict
[13:56] <jgdx> kenvandine, kicked
[13:57] <kenvandine> thx
[14:01] <mterry> jgdx, do you know much about the hotspot work?
[14:01] <jgdx> mterry, what do you need?
[14:02] <jgdx> ama
[14:02] <mterry> jgdx, :)
[14:02] <mterry> jgdx, I discovered today that there is a bug about how it shouldn't be enabled on mako'
[14:02] <mterry> jgdx, but I had already played with it on my mako over the weekend
[14:02] <mterry> jgdx, and I got into a state where I can't use wifi anymore
[14:02] <mterry> jgdx, all I ever see when enabling wifi is the name of my hotspot network
[14:02] <mterry> jgdx, even though it doesn't seem to be broadcasting
[14:03] <jgdx> mterry, that's new.
[14:03] <mterry> jgdx, maybe it's mako specific, in which case it's not so bad...
[14:04] <mterry> jgdx, how can I give you logs to help figure this out / help me reset state
[14:04] <mterry> jgdx, (because I can't figure out how to get out of this state via the UI)
[14:05] <jgdx> mterry, you can't turn off hotspot at all?
[14:06] <mterry> jgdx, well... the hotspot isn't running (as far as the UI goes).  But when I turn on wifi, the only item in the list is the name of the hotspot network I had set up
[14:06] <mterry> jgdx, and selecting it turns on hotspot functionality
[14:07] <jgdx> mterry, okay. Maybe PM me the /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/<hotspot> file as well as the indicator network log (.cache/upstart/indicator…)
[14:08] <jgdx> (if sensitive)
[14:09]  * mterry gets that
[14:09] <jgdx> mterry, this might very well be mako specific, since we know that wpa supplicant spins out of control at times. Might put the system in a weird state? Idk
[14:16] <jgdx> mterry, might need your syslog too. I wonder why urfkill wasn't running
[14:21] <awe_> jgdx, don't we prevent hotspot from being used on mako, or did we let that slide?
[14:21] <jgdx> awe_, it slid
[14:21] <awe_> sigh...
[14:22] <awe_> jgdx, also re: wpa_supplicant spinning out of control, the bug actually says this occurs on krillin, not mako.  As such, I re-assigned back to you
[14:22] <awe_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpasupplicant/+bug/1429314
[14:23] <jgdx> awe_, re: that, I always have this one in mind: bug 1434591
[14:24] <awe_> mterry, if you're just lookinvg to restore your WiFi functionality, you should be able to just delete the hotspot connection from /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[14:24] <awe_> jgdx, k.  Can you close out the other bug then?
[14:25] <jgdx> awe_, done
[14:25] <mterry> awe_, OK, cool.  Not sure if I should get out of this state though, since maybe it's useful for debugging -- eh, jgdx?
[14:26] <awe_> mterry, well... in theory, the UI should never have let you enable hotspot
[14:26] <jgdx> mterry, I'll save it. Just delete the config files in system-connections for the hotspot and reboot
[14:26] <jgdx> (or using any other nm method)
[14:44] <TonyBoston> are we going to see an ubuntu touch update in the near future?
[14:45] <mterry> jgdx, deleting the connection files and rebooting did the trick -- I'm not stuck on the hotspot anymore
[14:45] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, yes, it is being validated for BQ right now
[14:46] <jgdx> mterry, great
[14:46] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, thanks, thats good since I own a bq
[14:47] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, should see it Wed if all goes well
[14:47] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, its kind of hard to get into developing with ubuntu touch, where can I start?
[14:47] <TonyBoston> at least with bug reporting
[14:47] <TonyBoston> plus, I don't have an Ubuntu machine
[14:47] <TonyBoston> fedora or freebsd here
[14:48] <pmcgowan> yeah developing mostly requires ubuntu although some have done so on fedora
[14:48] <pmcgowan> there is http://developer.ubuntu.com/
[14:49] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, can I read about changes in the next version? as its almost unusable sometimes
[14:50] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, there is also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Contribute
[14:50] <TonyBoston> one can't even open a scope/app whatever
[14:50] <pmcgowan> hmm thats bad
[14:50] <pmcgowan> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F36EeZbS3Gzqq_tivKZHyoLDCOxT1TPh0vubhvWJafI/edit#heading=h.spat78ytq3y
[14:50] <pmcgowan> that has planned features
[14:50] <TonyBoston> thanks
[14:51] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, the planned bugs are at https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww40-2015
[14:53] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, alright, gonna put that all into browser favourites
[14:53] <TonyBoston> its hard to get into it, was even easier to get into bsd stuff
[14:54] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, be good to know why you feel that is the case, perhaps send a note to the mailing list
[14:55] <kenvandine> mandel, bug 1489403 for click-package-index is still unassigned, who can we pester about that?
[14:56] <ogra_> TonyBoston, use a VM to run an ubuntu inside for development  ;)
[14:56] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, I guess you just have the problem here
[14:56] <TonyBoston> like you gave me like 4 links with different addresses
[14:56] <TonyBoston> if the whole thing would be at one place, be much easier I guess
[14:56] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, fair point
[14:56] <TonyBoston> thats what I always felt bad about
[14:57] <mandel> kenvandine, nessita in #u1-internal should be looking into that
[14:57] <kenvandine> i'd just feel better if the bug was assigned :)
[14:58] <kenvandine> mandel, so i tested those fixes again and i'm still annoyed that we even present the app updates
[14:58] <kenvandine> so on friday i hacked it to clear them out of the model
[14:58] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, one big issue is when I leave home wifi, it renders the phone almost unusable since I guess its searching for the wifi. takes like 2mins to get back to normal and realise that wifi is gone
[14:58] <TonyBoston> dunno if that has already been reported
[14:58] <kenvandine> mandel, which works, but the UI is wonky
[14:59] <kenvandine> mandel, like if there are a bunch of app updates, the login button is off screen
[14:59] <mandel> kenvandine, can I see the changes, what did you do?
[14:59] <mandel> ugh.. feo
[14:59] <kenvandine> that's why i removed them
[14:59] <mandel> kenvandine, we need to get that 401, lets bully them
[14:59] <kenvandine> right
[14:59] <kenvandine> there's no better solution
[15:01] <kenvandine> mandel, basically i'd like to push to just land it without my hack to clear them out of the model
[15:01] <kenvandine> because at least then we know we're doing the right thing
[15:01] <kenvandine> i just want the 401 before ota7 ships
[15:37] <cellio> was wondering if using apt could break the OS during an update?
[15:38] <beuno> cellio, indeed, once you use apt system updates will likely break
[15:38] <dhbiker> i installed htop
[15:38] <cellio> thanks beuno i guess i will not use it for the time being untill i get more experience
[15:39] <dhbiker> still works :D
[15:39] <cellio> also trying to find out of the ubuntu edition of the meizu mx4 is unlocked?
[15:40] <beuno> dhbiker, hence the "likely", not "for sure"  :)
[15:40] <dhbiker> yeah ofc
[15:40] <dhbiker> depends on what you install too
[15:40] <beuno> cellio, not sure, I would assume it is. What do you mean by unlocked, though?
[15:40] <dhbiker> probably root
[15:41] <cellio> well if something breaks i want to know if i would be able to reinstall the OS
[15:41] <ogra_> cellio, it is fully hackable and you can re-flash it at any time
[15:41] <dhbiker> ogra_ but do you approve hacks ? :D
[15:41] <ogra_> (ubuntu that is, android would need a different partitioning scheme and a different flash tool)
[15:41] <cellio> thanks ogra, thats good news!
[15:42] <ogra_> dhbiker, for people that are aware that they might need to re-flash after breaking everything (and that know how) i surely approve it :)
[15:43] <dhbiker> also ogra_ i have a ton of crash reports in /var/crash ...
[15:43] <dhbiker> do i report them or not ? :D
[15:43] <ogra_> well, your system should have reported them for you already
[15:43] <cellio> awaiting my meizu mx4 with ubuntu that i ordered last week, will get it tommorow :)
[15:43] <ogra_> there is an option in the privacy settings of system-settings that allows you to look at them ("former reports" or some such)
[15:44] <dhbiker> just wanted to say that... depends on the settings
[15:44] <ogra_> if you can actually nail such a crash to a certain packag you should file a bug and link to the crash report
[15:44] <dhbiker> cellio i'm from slovenia so i got it super quick from italy
[15:45] <dhbiker> yep all reported
[15:45] <cellio> nice dhbiker
[15:45] <cellio> mine comes from italy too
[15:45] <dhbiker> i think they all come from italy
[15:46] <dhbiker> been thinking about getting a second meizu
[15:46] <cellio> any work around to install whatsapp?
[15:46] <dhbiker> one for daily use and one for hacking xD
[15:46] <cellio> lol
[15:46] <cellio> get the bq for hacking its cheaper :)
[15:47] <dhbiker> it's not that cheaper compared to meizu
[15:47] <cellio> 100euros less i think
[15:47] <dhbiker> one day at work :P
[15:48] <cellio> well the meizu seems much more value for money
[15:49] <dhbiker> i'm very interested in ubuntu camera hacking
[15:49] <dhbiker> to get the true 20MP out of it
[15:49] <cellio> seen the bq with android in Spain look outdated
[15:50] <cellio> design looks crappy and old
[15:51] <cellio> how much MP to u get now biker
[15:52] <cellio> eventually an update will fix that, hopefully
[15:52] <dhbiker> 1440p iirc
[15:53] <dhbiker> http://shrani.si/f/38/11/20s8hjwX/image20150823154554522.jpg
[15:53] <cellio> i can live with that :)
[15:54] <dhbiker> straight from the phone
[15:54] <dhbiker> no editing
[15:54] <mcphail> Is OTA6 expected to appear for krillin today?
[15:55] <cellio> OTA 6 released for arale, mako, flo and generic! Krillin and vegetah.
[15:56] <mcphail> cellio: you put a full stop there which doesn't exist in the /topic. Krillin isn't out yet, afaik. Heard it was supposed to be beginning of this week
[15:57] <dhbiker> copy pasted from topic
[15:57] <dhbiker> :D
[15:57] <cellio> topic sounds confusing then :)
[15:57] <mcphail> dhbiker: Yes. But the "Krillin and vegetah" sentence has been rusely truncated by the /topic fairies
[15:57] <mcphail> *rudely
[15:58] <dhbiker> yep
[17:13] <kenvandine> bfiller, i confirmed that swiping to close the camera-app after changing to video mode, restarts in video mode
[17:14] <kenvandine> so it's still restoring the state
[17:14] <kenvandine> renatu, https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtubuntu/window-close-support/+merge/249579
[17:14] <kenvandine> renatu, that should have fixed the close on swipe to work properly
[17:14] <kenvandine> but i don't know for sure that it did
[17:14] <kenvandine> renatu, how were you determining that they weren't get quit properly?
[17:14] <Paul_> hi
[17:14] <kenvandine> just adding some output on quit?
[17:18] <bfiller> kenvandine: ok, that is wrong
[17:18] <bfiller> kenvandine: zsombi_ that shouldn't be the intended beahvior
[17:18] <kenvandine> bfiller, right
[17:19] <kenvandine> i want to confirm that the qtmir bug was really fixed, it should be triggering quit to be called when swiped away
[17:19] <kenvandine> it wasn't before, but that branch i linked about should have fixed that and it was merged
[17:19] <kenvandine> actually it was in qtubuntu
[17:20] <kenvandine> basically it's the window manager closing the widnow
[17:20] <kenvandine> window
[17:20] <kenvandine> which qt should ensure quit is called for
[17:20] <kenvandine> before it was killing the process
[17:21] <kenvandine> zsombi_, so state should always be getting saved on deactivate, but only restored when the app was killed by the OOM killer
[17:21] <kenvandine> not if the app was closed properly
[17:21] <kenvandine> bfiller, ^^ right?
[17:22] <kenvandine> before we couldn't tell the difference, but now it should be quit gracefully, so that should wipe out the state
[17:23] <bfiller> kenvandine: I just know that it should only be restored if it was killed by OOM killer, when and where it's actually saved I don't know
[17:23] <kenvandine> i think the only way to handle that is to clear the saved state on quit
[17:23] <kenvandine> so if the app closes gracefully, wipe out the state
[17:23] <bfiller> kenvandine: makes sense
[17:24] <kenvandine> otherwise you can assume it was killed
[17:24]  * kenvandine files a bug
[17:29] <kenvandine> bfiller, bug 1490651
[18:46] <Springbank> hi
[18:47] <popey> hello
[21:52] <hevyhomie> hello anybody there?
[21:59] <k1l> hevyhomie: some are
[22:00] <hevyhomie> I am having a little problem with porting touch on Moto E: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12241255/
[22:06] <nik90> anybody know if BQ approved OTA-6 update?
[22:18] <mcphail> I wish they would hurry up. Feel as if I'm in an OTA-5 ghetto
[22:19] <hevyhomie> this is my lunch build for 13. cm_condor-userdebug  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12241413/
[23:46] <naveen> i want to install on xolo q
[23:46] <naveen> i want to install ubuntu touch on xolo q3000
[23:47] <naveen> any help
[23:49] <naveen> i want to install ubuntu touch on xolo q3000
[23:51] <naveen> res 1080 x 1920
[23:51] <naveen> mtk 6589