[06:31] <mazal> Mornings
[06:33] <superfly> good evening
[07:01] <thatgraemeguy> good aftermornoon
[07:02] <mazal> Wow thatgraemeguy
[07:02] <mazal> Morning :)
[07:03] <barrydk> Mornings
[07:23] <Kilos> morning all
[07:24] <mazal> More oom
[07:25] <Kilos> hi mazal barrydk and superfly 
[07:25] <Kilos> oh and inetpro 
[07:26] <thatgraemeguy> 'lo
[07:28] <Kilos> ohi thatgraemeguy 
[09:19] <thatgraemeguy> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/136884-telkom-integrated-data-wallet-launched-use-your-adsl-on-mobile.html
[09:19] <thatgraemeguy> I wonder what the catch is?
[09:19] <thatgraemeguy> i.e. what stops me from just buying an ADSL capped account and using it on mobile, which would be cheaper
[09:27] <MaNI> it does explicitly say their *capped* data in the description
[09:27] <MaNI> unless thats just bad journalism
[09:27] <thatgraemeguy> yes of course
[09:28] <thatgraemeguy> but even so a 20GB capped adsl account is WAY cheaper than 20GB of regular mobile data
[09:28] <MaNI> ahh sorry, thought you said uncapped account
[09:28] <thatgraemeguy> so there must be a catch of some sort
[09:28] <MaNI> hopefully nothing, it would be nice to finally stop being ripped off for mobile data, but there must be something
[09:28] <thatgraemeguy> like limited to 512kbps, or whatnot
[09:28] <thatgraemeguy> keen to see the Ts & Cs eventually
[09:34] <MaNI> I suppose if it pushes lots of mobiles users who don't have ADSL to get ADSL it can be worth their while
[09:35] <MaNI> fixed monthly line rentals and whatnot instead of sporadic as needed data purchases
[09:35] <thatgraemeguy> I supposed they would validate whether you had an adsl line
[09:36] <thatgraemeguy> and if they're clever they only let the mobile work if you have an active adsl connection at the time
[09:36] <thatgraemeguy> otherwise i just buy a nice 20GB adsl account and use it on my telkom sim, all while still using ISP X on my adsl router
[09:37] <MaNI> yeah
[09:38] <MaNI> probably tied to the line rental is my guess
[09:38] <MaNI> pushes more people to return to renting lines from them and helps them make money that way (and win back the market)
[09:38] <MaNI> from there they can slowly increase data prices or upsell people in other ways on the ADSL
[09:39] <thatgraemeguy> yeah but there has to be some way to prevent someone with an already-existing line from just scoring cheap mobile data
[09:40] <thatgraemeguy> i've had adsl for 10 years, they aren't winning a new account with me, so what stops me from getting 10GB of mobile for R99 using this? mmmm
[09:40] <thatgraemeguy> guess i'll just wait and see
[09:40] <MaNI> maybe
[09:40] <MaNI> or maybe they just don't care about the losses from existing ADSL users who also use lots of mobile
[09:41] <MaNI> I've no t been following closely but we have crazy statistics where most of our 'broadband' is now mobile and stuff
[09:42] <MaNI> The ADSL network is pretty much their only asset they have that their competitors don't - if they let trends continue it will become irrelevant and everything will be mobile - so growing the ADSL userbase might be worth it
[09:43] <thatgraemeguy> growing ADSL is a temp measure at best, it's all about fibre nowadays
[09:43] <MaNI> I'm an example - I don't have an ADSL line I just connect via wireless to the office and use the office internet - with this I would possibly be forced to at least consider going back to renting an ADSL line
[09:43] <MaNI> well ADSL/fibre - growing the fixed line non wireless userbase
[09:43] <thatgraemeguy> maybe trying to boost adsl numbers because its essentially free money at this stage, then plough the free money into fibre
[09:44] <MaNI> but yeah will be interesting to see the final t&c's
[09:44] <MaNI> maybe there will be a 'for up to 100Mb a day' limitation or something to keep it sane
[09:44] <thatgraemeguy> I wanted to use wireless to the office too but it isn't physically practical for me right now sadly
[09:45] <thatgraemeguy> so spolied with 100M fibre here and 2M adsl at home :'(
[09:45] <thatgraemeguy> I know, #firstworldproblems
[09:45] <MaNI> my office internet is sadly just ADSL no fancy fibre stuff, but still better than having my own
[09:46] <MaNI> plus I swore to never deal directly with telkom ever again
[09:47] <MaNI> after they spent like 2 years harassing me for money that I didn't owe them :p (plus all the other torment I've had dealing with them over the years)
[09:47] <MaNI> if I couldn't connect to the office I'd probably just be on a wisp
[10:30] <magespawn> good morning
[10:32] <pieter2627> afternoon all
[12:02] <inetpro> good mornings
[12:02] <inetpro> Kilos: eh, and hi there as well
[12:03] <inetpro> Cryterion: you still be looking for me?
[12:10] <thatgraemeguy> [11:01:56]     <Cryterion> someone please tell inetpro I'm sick of waiting for him, I can't take it anymore, I'm going to throw myself off a cliff
[12:10] <magespawn> okay then
[12:11] <inetpro> yikes!
[12:11] <thatgraemeguy> too much? :)
[12:12]  * inetpro going to the edge of the cliff to go look for him
[12:13] <inetpro> eish!
[12:31] <kulelu88> RIP Cryterion 
[12:39] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice afternoon. God bless
[12:40] <thatgraemeguy> by.... oh
[13:34] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[13:34] <inetpro> Kilos: ehlo
[13:34] <Kilos> lol at cr
[13:35]  * inetpro failed to find him 
[13:36] <inetpro> and now he's lost for ever?
[13:36] <Kilos> lol
[15:04]  * pieter2627 rofl
[16:05] <magespawn> chat later home time
[18:24] <nlsthzn> hi uncle Kilos ... how you feeling today?
[18:24] <Kilos> ok ty nlsthzn , still sleepy but good ty
[18:24] <Kilos> and you?
[18:25] <nlsthzn> fine thanks... also very sleepy, baby bear doesn't seem to need sleep >.< - and starting work again tomorrow :'(
[18:25] <Kilos> lolol
[18:26] <nlsthzn> well I am also just about off... have a good evening all :)
[18:27] <Kilos> night nlsthzn  sleep tight
[18:27] <Kilos> :)
[18:40] <Kilos> brb
[18:44] <Kilos> so clever peeps what do you all suggest as our alternative to flash that will work in any browser
[18:45] <Kilos> im not a chrome or firefox fan
[18:45] <inetpro> Kilos: the alternative is no flash
[18:46] <Kilos> oh my
[18:46] <inetpro> it's either flash or it is no flash
[18:46] <inetpro> flash must die!
[18:47] <inetpro> good evening btw
[18:47] <Kilos> but adobe isnt supporting linux anymore
[18:47] <Kilos> hi my pro
[18:47] <Kilos> i saw gnash and light something
[18:48] <Kilos> also saw html5 
[18:48] <Kilos> do none of them work?
[18:50] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[18:50] <Cryterion> Hi
[18:50] <Kilos> inetpro ^^
[18:50] <inetpro> Flash is not only unnecessary with today's streaming technology, but can open users up to major security vulnerabilities
[18:51] <inetpro> hello Cryterion
[18:51] <Cryterion> see ThatGraemeGuy been up to mischief
[18:51] <Kilos> oh my
[18:51] <Kilos> lolol
[18:51]  * inetpro happy to see he found his way up the cliffs again
 [11:01:56]     <Cryterion> someone please tell inetpro I'm sick of waiting for him, I can't take it anymore, I'm going to throw myself off a cliff
[18:51] <Cryterion> lol
[18:51] <Cryterion> anyway, sorry been out most of the day
[18:51] <Kilos> haha
[18:51] <inetpro> no problemos
[18:52] <inetpro> Cryterion: I net you didn't say that ^^ ?
[18:52] <inetpro> I bet*
[18:52] <Kilos> lol
[18:52] <Cryterion> inetpro and Kilos, got an update to that xls offgrid thing you should look at
[18:52] <Cryterion> did some corrections and added a few extra calculations into it
[18:53] <Kilos> oh yes i remember something about that
[18:53] <inetpro> xls offgrid thing? hmm...
[18:53]  * inetpro forgot about loadshedding already
[18:53] <inetpro> and all the alternative power ideas
[18:54] <Cryterion> think I emailed it to you last time, if you interested, yeah loadshedding seems scarce atm
[18:54] <inetpro> been way too busy with other stuffs
[18:54] <inetpro> Cryterion: I remember
[18:54] <Kilos> yes please Cryterion im interested
[18:54] <Cryterion> I'm still looking into it anyway, savings at the end, costly now, but pays off at the end
[18:55] <Cryterion> hold on will try send in a moment
[18:55] <Kilos> no rush lad
[18:55] <inetpro> Cryterion: just email me the updates as well when you have a chance
[18:55] <Kilos> ohi superfly hows you and family?
[18:56] <Cryterion> ok, will do for both you and Kilos
[18:56] <superfly> Kilos: we're OK thanks
[18:56] <Kilos> ty
[18:58] <inetpro> Kilos: Death of Flash inches closer as Mozilla blocks Firefox plugin http://mashable.com/2015/07/14/mozilla-disables-flash/
[18:59] <Cryterion> They already implemented by default
[18:59] <inetpro> and then: Google's Chrome to start auto-pausing Flash ads on Sept. 1 http://mashable.com/2015/08/28/google-chrome-autopause-flash/
[19:00] <Cryterion> I don't use google or their browser
[19:00] <inetpro> Cryterion: I know
[19:00] <Cryterion> prefer duckduckgo.com as a search engine
[19:00] <inetpro> :-)
[19:01] <Cryterion> Can't use google if they can't track you
[19:01] <Kilos> haha i use it too
[19:02] <Kilos> and i notice when you install midori you get the option to open midori or midori private browser
[19:03] <Kilos> just the flash thing is a prob
[19:03] <inetpro> as much as you can not trust Google you can also not trust most other services out there
[19:04] <Kilos> ya i agree but i want my site to work
[19:04] <Kilos> even forgotten how to get to login there
[19:04] <Kilos> sigh
[19:04] <Kilos> who was the yola guy here?
[19:06] <Kilos> oh inetpro i havent asked for a while how you and the family are
[19:06] <Kilos> sorry
[19:06] <inetpro> good, good thanks
[19:06] <Kilos> you must be a bit better with it warming up
[19:06] <inetpro> too hot for me now already
[19:06] <Kilos> oh my
[19:07]  * inetpro prefers below 30°C
[19:07] <Kilos> ai!
[19:08] <inetpro> Saturday was 34°C when I checked at about 16:00
[19:08] <Cryterion> 2hrs 52mins left of winter
[19:09] <Kilos> lol
[19:09] <Cryterion> not that we really had a winter
[19:09] <Kilos> always a late cold snap to come kill fruit
[19:09] <Cryterion> yeah like 2 weeks ago or somewhere around there
[19:10] <Cryterion> even 3
[19:10] <Kilos> yeah i think maybe another one or two might show up
[19:10] <inetpro> Kilos: I hope not
[19:10] <inetpro> strawberries are blooming nicely now
[19:11] <Kilos> like last year all mulberries were wiped
[19:11] <Kilos> yeah i have some fruit showing as well
[19:11] <Cryterion> possibly, never know what those Haarp antena's are planning
[19:12] <kulelu88> you can't avoid google if you use the internet
[19:12] <kulelu88> google analytics, google ads, google cdn, etc.
[19:12]  * Cryterion will sort his pepper seeds out this week
[19:12] <inetpro> kulelu88: hmm... 
[19:12] <Kilos> lost many of my plants by forgetting to water them
[19:13] <inetpro> google only knows the tip of the iceberg about the interwebs
[19:13] <Cryterion> kulelu88, I kill those ad's and report that they block the page (cause they normally do)
[19:13] <Kilos> i actually have 2 peppadew plant that didnt die to the roots and are sprouting again
[19:14] <Cryterion> kwl, want to get some of my Trinidad chilli's going, Hottest chilli out apparently
[19:16] <Kilos> hotter than habinero and 
[19:16] <Kilos> um
[19:16] <Kilos> jalapeno
[19:17] <Kilos> peppadews make nice pickles for peeps that cant handle the very hot stuff
[19:17] <kulelu88> you guys must be loading the masalas also
[19:18] <Cryterion> Arguments are it's hotter than the Trinidad Scorpion (Genius Records) as it's a mix of it and another
[19:18] <kulelu88> Kilos eating a hot hot bunny anol
[19:18] <Kilos> i just by masalas
[19:18] <Kilos> buy
[19:18] <Cryterion> try a Trinidad 7-Pot /Pod 
[19:19] <Cryterion> gets the 7 from 1 being enough to spice up 7 pots of stew
[19:19] <Kilos> i will as soon as im fixed up
[19:19] <Kilos> no energy for gardning atm
[19:19] <Cryterion> getting back into it
[19:21] <kulelu88> how'd your operasie gegaan? Kilos 
[19:21] <Kilos> i only go for that on the 22nd
[19:21] <Kilos> sigh
[19:21] <Kilos> but meantime meds keeping me lazy
[19:22] <Kilos> either sleeping or with lappy on tummy
[19:22] <Kilos> hehe
[19:22] <Kilos> they have advantages
[19:31] <superfly> Bunny show
[19:31] <superfly> *chow
[19:34] <Kilos> yummy food
[19:36] <Kilos> wbb reboot needed
[19:39] <melodie> evening greetings
[19:41] <Kilos> security upgrades all the time even with 14.04.3
[19:41] <Kilos> sigh
[19:42] <superfly> Kilos: don't sigh. they're good.
[19:43] <Kilos> yes i agree superfly but it means that things are getting worse doesnt it
[19:45] <melodie> Kilos no it doesn't
[19:45] <Kilos> hi melodie 
[19:45] <melodie> they are as they always have been
[19:45] <Kilos> lol
[19:45] <melodie> evening greetings Kilos 
[19:46] <melodie> ok, the new Malinux is mostly ready, I would like to find a graphist who can step in for a little work, to make the plymouth theme a custom, using the logos and wallpaper of the spin
[19:47] <melodie> is there any one here who could offer to do that?
[19:47] <Kilos> oh my is raffy busy
[19:47] <melodie> yes, as usual
[19:47] <Kilos> dont think we got grahics peeps here
[19:47] <melodie> he did the header for bentovillage.me but instead of a few days it took him 2 weeks
[19:48] <Kilos> eish
[19:48] <melodie> hello peeps! Is there a graphist on this chan? :D
[19:48] <Kilos> maybe you the one that needs to slow down
[19:48] <melodie> certainly not
[19:48] <Kilos> hehe
[19:48] <melodie> if I do that I'll miss the train when it comes by
[19:48] <Kilos> even bees rest now and again
[19:49] <melodie> I need the job done for the day before yesterday ;)
[19:49] <melodie> yes, at night
[19:49] <Kilos> lol
[19:49] <Kilos> you dont even rest at night
[19:50] <melodie> night is the best time to work without being disturbed by the noisy humans!
[19:57] <Kilos> lol
[20:04] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[20:04] <melodie> good night Kilos keep on well!
[20:04] <Kilos> ty  you too
[20:49] <Cryterion> night everyone
[21:02] <inetpro> good night 
[21:37] <kulelu88> yo superfly . I've made some major progress!
[21:38] <superfly> kulelu88: you've decided to come for an intervie?
[21:38] <superfly> *interview
[21:38] <kulelu88> haha. Do you guys need a data scientist? 
[21:38] <kulelu88> I'd sure love to spend a little time in cpt
[21:38] <superfly> yes
[21:39] <kulelu88> hire me from October to March <3
[21:39] <superfly> we do have an internship programme
[21:40] <kulelu88> I'm planning on using nbconvert to make my ipython notebook into a nice slide presentation
[21:40] <melodie> hi kulelu88 superfly 
[21:40] <kulelu88> yo melodie 
[21:41] <superfly> kulelu88: I'm keen to see it in action
[21:41] <superfly> but first, I need some sleep. night all!
[21:42] <kulelu88> Peace superfly o/
[21:45] <melodie> gn superfly 
[22:39] <melodie> good night