[09:02] <knome> website got new code landed, so i updated it; see the "Releases" section in the blog: http://xubuntu.org/blog/
[09:02] <knome> if somebody is feeling literary, we can drop descriptions for each release
[09:03] <knome> á la http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/news/release/14-04/
[09:19] <newform8|SM-G386> nice 
[09:30] <flocculant> can anyone remember back that far :)
[09:31] <knome> use wikipedia and the release notes :P
[09:31] <flocculant> :)
[09:32] <knome> and would also be nice to mention LTS releases separately
[09:32] <knome> it doesn't have to be long...
[09:32] <flocculant> not "There was a version named after a goat" then :D
[09:32] <knome> likely not that...
[09:32] <flocculant> he he he 
[09:33] <newform8|SM-G386> I love Wikipedia 
[09:33] <flocculant> knome: I have some time while I procrastinate over my bp items ... 
[09:33] <knome> lol, please do them first ;)
[09:33] <knome> this isn't by any means essential
[09:33] <flocculant> and it's a rainy bank holiday 
[09:34] <knome> haha
[09:34] <knome> sunny here - no holiday afaik
[09:34] <knome> at least for me...
[09:34] <knome> or the wife
[09:34] <flocculant> last one till xmas here 
[09:34] <knome> huh
[09:42] <knome> hey slimy
[09:42] <slickymasterWork> morning knome 
[09:44] <flocculant> morning slickymasterWork 
[09:44] <slickymasterWork> morning flocculant 
[09:48] <knome> slickymasterWork, you just missed it, but here it is: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/08/31/%23xubuntu-devel.html
[09:49] <slickymasterWork> thanks knome, as soon as I have some time to spare
[09:50] <slickymasterWork> hell of a day over here, today
[09:50] <knome> that part was cut off from logs (so far), but as i said to flocculant, it's far from essential
[09:50] <knome> so if you happen to have work items for wily, do them first
[09:50] <knome> etc...
[09:50] <slickymasterWork> ok
[09:52] <knome> so for you (and probably pleia2, since i need your insight on this):
[09:52] <knome> "Update debian/copyright for documentation"
[09:53] <knome> basically, the copyright says "Ubuntu Documentation Team, The Xubuntu Team 2004-2009"
[09:53] <knome> at least i know this is wrong...
[09:53] <knome> the question is
[09:53] <knome> the documentation itself says
[09:53] <knome> Copyright © 2012, 2013, 2014 Canonical Ltd. and members of the Xubuntu Documentation team.
[09:54] <knome> so... legally and otherwise, should we keep mentioning the ubuntu documentation team, even if the trace to using their material starts to be preety slim?
[09:54] <knome> i mean, the old documentation was partly adapted/modified from that
[09:54] <knome> and the new documentation is partly adapted/modified from the old documentation
[09:55] <knome> also, should canonical really even be in the copyright?
[09:55] <slickymasterWork> I think that we've talked about this knome, and we decide that we should go solely with the Xubuntu Documentation Team
[09:55] <knome> sure, it owns the trademarks etc., but i don't think they own copyright to the documentation itself really (at least any more, with all the modifying...()
[09:56] <knome> and bah, the credits and license page says the document is maintained by the Ubuntu documentation team
[09:56] <knome> hmm wait
[09:56] <knome> i'm looking at an old copy @ docs.xubuntu.org
[09:56] <slickymasterWork> we changed that knome, hadn't we?
[09:57] <knome> yes, looks like we did
[09:57] <knome> ok, so the question remains
[09:57] <knome> in debian/copyright, should the copyrright be "2012-2015 The Xubuntu documentation team" to match the documentation?
[09:58] <slickymasterWork> IMO, yes
[09:58] <slickymasterWork> it won't make much sense otherwise
[09:58] <slickymasterWork> they should match
[09:58] <knome> :)
[09:58] <knome> also, what about this:
[09:58] <knome> The documents in this package are based on the ones in Ubuntu/Kubuntu 
[09:58] <knome> They were debianized by Jani Monoses <jani@ubuntu.com> on Thu, 1 Dec 2005 
[09:59] <knome> at least the first line is a bit meh
[09:59] <slickymasterWork> that was ten years ago, and the -docs have changed quite a lot since then
[09:59] <knome> yep...
[09:59] <knome> so drop the first line? what about the other one? i think that still stands true
[10:00] <slickymasterWork> I agree, 
[10:00] <knome> actually, the credits say
[10:00] <knome> This documentation is maintained by the Xubuntu documentation team and is partly adapted from the Ubuntu documentation.
[10:00] <knome> so maybe we should use that wording to keep in lin
[10:00] <knome> +e
[10:00] <slickymasterWork> which reflects perfectly the reality 
[10:01] <knome> This documentation is partly adapted from the Ubuntu documentation
[10:01] <knome> The documentation was debianized by Jani Monoses <jani@ubuntu.com>
[10:01] <knome> what about that?
[10:01] <knome> one more question
[10:01] <knome> if we say we're partly adapted, is it still ok to claim all ownership/copyright ?
[10:01] <knome> (also changed upstream authors to just the xubuntu documentation team, because, well...
[10:02] <slickymasterWork> from a non legal point of view, yes
[10:02] <knome> so shold we keep the old copyright lines
[10:02] <knome> then just append with the new?
[10:03] <slickymasterWork> I'm not sure if we'll be trespassing some sort of technical legal boundaries 
[10:03] <slickymasterWork> maybe pleia2 could shed some light on that aspect, before we commit ant changes on that
[10:03] <knome> ;)
[10:04] <knome> crap, need to do something right now
[10:04] <knome> bbiab
[10:05] <slickymasterWork> hf
[10:05] <knome> ergghh :P
[10:05] <knome> not my definition of fun this, but...
[10:05] <slickymasterWork> lol
[10:16] <bluesabre> always one more thing
[10:16] <flocculant> yea I know 
[10:17] <bluesabre> :)
[10:18] <flocculant> if they actually get the image smoketesting working again that'll be really helpful
[10:19] <flocculant> can actually get people to check specific things out 
[10:19] <flocculant> not that checking specific package things seems to get much traction :p
[10:20] <flocculant> anyway - morning bluesabre :)
[10:20] <bluesabre> yeah
[10:20] <bluesabre> morning flocculant 
[10:20] <slickymasterWork> morinig bluesabre 
[10:20] <bluesabre> heya slickymasterWork 
[10:20] <slickymasterWork> * morning even
[10:21] <flocculant> bluesabre: I think we'll need to think carefully about package testing/tracker next cycle
[10:21] <bluesabre> yes
[10:25] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'm open for any proposals for that... just let me know if there is anything I can do to help facilitate
[10:27] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi: what templates do we want to ship with xfpanel-switch? I can work on collection those this week and package them up
[10:27] <bluesabre> *collecting
[10:28] <flocculant> bluesabre: yep will do, once we're done with this cycle I think the best thing would be to actually spend some time talking it over
[10:28] <bluesabre> right
[10:29] <bluesabre> knome: if the wallpaper is ready, we could have that for a nice september 1st upload if you want
[10:29] <knome> bluesabre, i'll prepare it for you today if i just have the time
[10:30] <bluesabre> knome: cool, no hurry ofc
[11:37] <bluesabre> ochosi, flocculant: uploaded a new xfce4-panel to xubuntu-staging.  If that works correctly, that's the patched version I'll upload to wily
[11:37] <bluesabre> it will still be building for a little bit ;)
[11:37] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[11:38] <flocculant> okey doke - shall watch for it - cya later, have fun
[11:41] <flocculant> knome: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntureleases
[11:44] <bluesabre> flocculant: oh yeah, the only change is that it's a nicer patch for the xfpanel-switch integration, everything should continue to work the same
[11:44] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok
[12:00] <knome> bluesabre, ping!
[12:04] <knome> bluesabre, please review http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/wily/revision/421
[12:07] <knome> cool, we're about to go below the fold in the burndown soon :D
[13:12] <pleia2> the debianized line should remain, since putting all the right bits in the right place to create the debian package for it don't change a ton over time, the original author should still be credited for the work they did on it
[13:13] <knome> pleia2, it is in there
[13:13] <pleia2> what question did you have for me? :)
[13:13] <knome> well, check the link i pasted for bluesabre to see the new file
[13:13] <pleia2> copyright statements typically are appending, unless you really think the old ones are wrong
[13:13] <knome> basically "is this ok"
[13:13] <pleia2> k
[13:14] <pleia2> worstdiff
[13:14] <knome> mm
[13:14] <knome> you can also check the new file as is
[13:14] <knome> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/wily/view/head:/debian/copyright
[13:17] <pleia2> oh, we're relicensing too? :\
[13:17] <pleia2> or the text of the same version license changed..
[13:18] <pleia2> ah, improved formatting I guess
[13:18] <pleia2> I think that's ok
[13:21] <pleia2> knome: before I leave for the day, I have static and docs.x.o to update, yeah?
[13:22] <pleia2> I may have some time this eveing, but no promises
[13:25] <knome> yes, formatting according to the new (standard) copyright format
[13:25] <knome> i should push the new static revision
[13:25] <knome> we have new stuff at x.org, so some there can go
[13:26] <knome> but yeah, both those to update
[13:26] <knome> ...and the static branch is updated
[13:26] <pleia2> :)
[13:26] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/news/release/14-04/
[13:27] <pleia2> flocculant: put a think on G+/FB re: exploratory testing https://plus.google.com/b/112064450121097287690/+xubuntu/posts/U2QUt83Axkv
[13:27] <pleia2> couldn't think of something short enough for twitter :D
[13:28] <flocculant> pleia2: thanks and yea - not sure I would be able to either :D
[13:31] <knome> tweeted
[13:31] <knome> https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/638343282301489152
[13:31] <flocculant> lol - thanks :)
[13:32] <knome> np
[13:32] <pleia2> clever knome 
[13:34]  * knome bows
[13:34] <pleia2> ok, heading out for a while
[13:34] <knome> hf
[13:34] <pleia2> thanks
[13:34] <knome> flocculant, doing some work on the releas pad
[13:34] <knome> +e
[13:35] <flocculant> just made a start for us 
[13:35] <knome> yep
[14:03] <flocculant> if this effort to restart image smoketests fails - might be useful to set up a simple testcase for the tracker, so people can at least report if they just had time to boot the image to desktop and/or start install 
[14:04] <knome> mhm
[14:04] <knome> sounds fair enough
[14:05] <flocculant> at least the current live test doesn't get reports that didn't happen that way
[14:05] <flocculant> anyway - bbiab
[14:05] <knome> yep
[14:05] <knome> hf
[17:30] <knome> good evening
[17:31] <flocculant> and good evening to you
[17:31] <knome> what's up?
[17:32] <flocculant> not much - making the most of last day of a week off :)
[17:32] <knome> well, do well
[17:38] <flocculant> I'm trying :)
[17:49] <slickymasterWork> knome, flocculant, ping
[17:50] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: pong
[17:50] <knome> dong
[17:50] <slickymasterWork> great you're here
[17:50] <slickymasterWork> so, something came up here at work at the last hour and I'll have to be travelling tomorrow
[17:50] <knome> aha
[17:51] <knome> that isn't uncommon i see :P
[17:51] <slickymasterWork> I won't be able to chair the meeting tomorrow
[17:51] <slickymasterWork> well, we had a chnage in the governance board last month
[17:51] <knome> heh
[17:52] <slickymasterWork> and apparently the new board is convinced that people don't have to be asked if they're able to do stuff
[17:52] <knome> ...
[17:52] <slickymasterWork> they just decide for you withou asking
[17:52] <slickymasterWork> + t
[17:52] <flocculant> nice ...
[17:52] <knome> well, they also pay you...
[17:53] <slickymasterWork> so, do you think it's better to postponed the meeting to Wednesday or will someone will chair it tomorrow instaed of me? 
[17:53] <slickymasterWork> they don't knome 
[17:53] <flocculant> oic 
[17:53] <flocculant> move it slickymasterWork 
[17:53] <knome> slickymasterWork, wait, are you working for free? :P
[17:53] <slickymasterWork> because it's during working hours
[17:54] <flocculant> not that it affects me as it's during working hours 
[17:54] <knome> if you move it, announce it asap
[17:54] <slickymasterWork> no, but as I'm not able to drive (still), it will be someone from work that will have to drive to Braga
[17:54] <knome> hahah...
[17:55] <slickymasterWork> you mean on the m/l flocculant?
[17:55] <flocculant> well if you've not got time to reschedule - I would at least cancel tomorrow 
[17:55] <knome> yep
[17:56] <knome> if people show up, they can have an impromptu meeting
[17:56] <flocculant> yea
[17:56] <knome> i might be around and available as well
[17:56] <flocculant> as normal for me when working - not around 
[17:57] <slickymasterWork> I'll mail the m/l rescheduling yo Wednesday 
[18:11] <slickymasterWork> ok, reschedule it and mail sent
[18:11] <slickymasterWork> updating the wiki page
[18:12] <knome> don't remember to update the gcal
[18:13] <slickymasterWork> doing that now, all done with the wiki
[18:14] <slickymasterWork> gcal also done
[21:52] <bluesabre> knome: that looks fine to me... maybe convert tabs to spaces and line up copyright years :)
[21:54] <knome> i noticed that myself aswell
[21:55] <knome> and thanks, just pushed that last tweak
[22:07] <azzenovic> hi I tried xubuntu core for a couple of days and I noticed it's tailored more to advanced users . it"s true I had fun customizing it and adding stuff and I will not recommend it for total newbies with slow internet connection .. any thoughts guys ?
[22:30] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'd go with some xubuntu releases that stand out and then DEs. e.g. gnome2 and windows could be nice to have. maybe elementary too. osx and gnome3 would need special plugins that we dont ship by default, so i'd leave those out
[22:31] <ochosi> i'll try to test, but this week will be rather hard to find FOSS time...
[22:32] <ochosi> anyway, will try to be back on the WE
[22:32] <ochosi> hf eceryone and sorry for not being able to.make the meeting
[22:33] <knome> ochosi, the meeting is on wed
[22:39] <bluesabre> ochosi: cool, will try to get those up tonight sometime
[22:39]  * bluesabre is sleepy
[22:39]  * knome dances the fish slapping dance to wake bluesabre up
[22:40] <bluesabre> :D
[22:40] <bluesabre> going to get dinner, bbiab
[22:40] <knome> bon appetit
[23:30] <bluesabre> yum
[23:31] <knome> :)