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ronyhello03:44
ronyeverybody03:44
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lordievaderGood morning.06:00
SilmarilionHi does anybody know where is the option to disable the remember open apps when shutting down?06:17
Silmarilionfound it06:18
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noumshello every body ... I am trying to upgrade my kubuntu 14.04 to 15.04 ... can someone help me ?07:13
hateballnoums: What seems to be the issue?07:14
noumsi tryed multiple command like this "sudo do-release-upgrade -d", or this "sudo kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade" bet nothing is happening07:15
soeei'm not sure if such upgrade is supported, hmm07:17
soeewell maybe it is :)07:19
hateballnoums: It is likely that your settings are to only go from LTS to LTS07:31
noumsthanks ... Ia going  to try to change config  to see if it works better07:32
hateballnoums: And 14.04 is the current LTS release. So if you want to change that, you can go into Muon and change settings from LTS only07:32
hateballThen you'll have to upgrade 14.04 -> 14.10 -> 15.0407:32
lordievaderWich will be interesting since 14.10 is EOL.07:35
hateballWell, there are other ways....07:38
lordievaderIndeed, reinstalling is likely easier and faster.07:39
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Isotop7is kubuntu planning to support more devices with kubuntu phone?09:08
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yossarianukIs anyone aware of a keyboard shortcut in konsole (or maybe just general Linux) that outputs the /etc/hosts contents ?10:42
yossarianukI ask as everytime my 2rd old bangs my keyboard randomly he manages to do that (there is no way he he doing .cat /etc/hosts'10:43
diafour_less /etc/hosts ? ;]10:45
yossarianukdiafour_: pretty sure he's not typing a command... its like some odd shortcut ...10:57
yossarianuk(not a major issue just interested in how he keep doing it.)10:57
diafour_awh... 2 year old?10:58
diafour_Just press page up and enter. May be cat /etc/hosts is a first line in your history.10:59
yossarianukdiafour_: i've check and there is no line... maybe when he grows up a but he'll tell daddy...11:00
lordievaderctrl +r -> c -> enter?11:05
diafour_man bash11:07
diafour_ /complete-hostname11:07
diafour_=)11:07
admin4ekhello11:22
admin4ekany body use QHD+ ultrabook11:23
abel__dasd11:46
abel__hi all11:46
amichair_any news on plasma 5.4.0 backport?11:51
BluesKajHey folks12:13
lordievadero/12:15
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EvilRoeylordievader:  \o12:51
EvilRoeyhey BluesKaj12:51
EvilRoeylordievader, BluesKaj: are you guys Ubuntu or Blue Systems staff?12:51
BluesKajev` I'm neither12:52
EvilRoeyah ok12:52
BluesKajEvilRoey ^12:52
EvilRoeyBluesKaj:  but I see you here offering support, are you involved officially with Kubuntu?12:53
BluesKaj< --- a home user who tests kubuntu12:53
EvilRoeyaha!12:53
EvilRoeyok12:53
EvilRoeyI am a home user as well12:53
EvilRoeycurrently I have an issue getting my backup HD to mount (same issue as a few months back)12:54
BluesKajEvilRoey, do you have the HDD as an entry in /etc/fstab?12:56
lordievaderEvilRoey: No.12:56
lordievaderEvilRoey: How are you trying to mount it?12:56
BluesKajwell, you should12:56
Graf_WesterholtBluesKaj, that is wrong.12:57
Graf_WesterholtI do not have an entry in fstab and it works fine.12:57
BluesKajworks here Graf_Westerholt12:57
lordievaderGraf_Westerholt: You let KDE mount it?12:57
lordievaderI allways dislike DE's mounting my stuff.12:57
Graf_WesterholtBluesKaj, you can also do a rain dance, it will work for you with your disk, but also without the rain dance.12:57
Graf_Westerholtlordievader, yes, KDE.12:58
BluesKajGraf_Westerholt, I prefer a shorter UUID than a bunch of numbers and letters12:58
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Graf_WesterholtBluesKaj, I do not care about an UUID.12:58
Graf_WesterholtBluesKaj, I guess you do it a lot wrong.12:59
BluesKaji don't care thay you don't care, Graf_Westerholt so stop interefering , you do it your way12:59
lordievaderA UUID is determined by the filesystem type?12:59
lordievaderAnyhow, EvilRoey how are you trying to mount it?13:00
BluesKajI was making a sugestion that works for most users13:00
Graf_WesterholtBluesKaj, you can suggest a rain dance and it will work, because it also work without a rain dance.13:06
BluesKajGraf_Westerholt, you're going on ignore, sop dopn't waste your energy on me13:07
Graf_WesterholtBluesKaj, but the people who wants real help can still read me. :P13:08
EvilRoey<BluesKaj> EvilRoey, do you have the HDD as an entry in /etc/fstab?13:44
EvilRoeyer kinda?13:44
EvilRoeynot sure if the UUID is there, lemme check13:44
EvilRoeylordievader:  trying to mount it with the mount command: mount /backup13:44
EvilRoeyoh I see that I don't use UUIDs for the backup drives13:45
EvilRoeyI just have it as /dev/sdc /backup in fstab13:45
EvilRoeysudo mount /backup works13:45
EvilRoeyer13:45
EvilRoeyit reutrns without visible error13:45
EvilRoeybut then I don't see it actually mounted when I issue "mount"13:46
lordievaderEvilRoey: No errors? So it is mounted?13:47
EvilRoeyer I don't think it is mounted, no.13:47
lordievaderEvilRoey: What is the output of 'mount'?13:48
EvilRoeyit is missing that entry showing that the disk is mounted13:48
EvilRoey(obviously it is not)13:48
EvilRoeyI'd paste you the stuff but really I need to be next to the disk to be able to turn it on/off and see any changes in syslog or dmesg13:48
lordievaderEvilRoey: Could you pastbin your /etc/fstab and the output of 'sudo mount -v /backup'?13:49
EvilRoeysure.13:49
EvilRoeylordievader:  http://pastebin.com/Ge8SjgUC13:50
lordievaderHmm, and the fstab?13:51
EvilRoey# 20140626 Roey Katz:  Dirvish backup drive13:53
EvilRoey/dev/sdc               /backup                    ext4    nofail,noatime,defaults  0   213:53
EvilRoey20150901 09:52:52 roey@gear:~$13:53
Graf_WesterholtEvilRoey, why do you want to mount it in the terminal?13:53
EvilRoeywell I have it auotmatically monting at startup13:53
EvilRoeybut the reason I mount it in the terminal,13:53
EvilRoeyis because I swap it every few weeks with an identically-sized hard drive13:53
EvilRoeyI rotate backup drives13:53
lordievaderEvilRoey: You put the filesystem right on the blockdevice?13:53
lordievaderNo partition table?13:53
EvilRoeyoh you mean instead of a partition?13:53
EvilRoeyem yeah I guess13:54
lordievaderYes.13:54
EvilRoeythere's no difference for me in terms of performance or functionality13:54
EvilRoeyI mean my system's drive is partitioned13:54
lordievaderEvilRoey: Could you pastebin the output of 'sudo parted /dev/sdc'?13:54
EvilRoeyof course13:54
Graf_WesterholtEvilRoey, so you are having your backup drive always connected to your PC?13:54
EvilRoeyError: Could not stat device /dev/sdc - No such file or directory.13:54
EvilRoeyGraf_Westerholt:  yeah13:54
Graf_WesterholtEvilRoey, than it is not a backup. You are doing it all wrong.13:55
EvilRoeyGraf_Westerholt:  yeah I run dirvish so it incrementally backs up every night13:55
EvilRoeyGraf_Westerholt:  and then I swap it out periodically with another drive13:55
EvilRoeyso that even if I lose the comptuer, I still have my data (minus a week or so)13:55
lordievaderEvilRoey: There is your issue.13:55
EvilRoeylordievader:  how so13:55
Graf_WesterholtEvilRoey, if yor PC gets demage do high voltage or something it will destroy also the packup. You never do it the way you do now.13:55
EvilRoeyGraf_Westerholt:  what's the correct way then?13:55
lordievaderEvilRoey: You are trying to mount sdc, according to your output there is no sdc.13:55
Graf_WesterholtEvilRoey, you should read how to do backups right.13:56
EvilRoeylordievader:  right. Like I said, I'd go at my drive and turn it off/on to determine the bigger issue13:56
lordievaderIt't external?13:56
EvilRoeyGraf_Westerholt:  you're antagonizing me with your non-constructive condescension.13:56
Graf_WesterholtEvilRoey, ok, go on and lose your data.13:56
EvilRoeyGraf_Westerholt:  please don't talk to me.  Thank you.13:56
lordievaderEvilRoey: Is sdc external?13:58
EvilRoeylordievader:  correct14:08
EvilRoeyGraf_Westerholt:  like, that's the worst advice you can possibly give anyone.14:08
EvilRoeyGraf_Westerholt:  "you're doing it all wrong".  Really?  When your only quip with what I described is that it's connected to my computer.14:09
EvilRoeyGraf_Westerholt:  doesn't sound at all "all wrong"14:09
lordievaderEvilRoey: Then you really want to mount by UUID.14:11
lordievaderEvilRoey: Just ignore him ;)14:11
EvilRoey:)14:13
EvilRoeylordievader:  I'll have lines in fstab for both drives then, aye14:14
EvilRoeylordievader:  so this issue is interesting because in the past, all I did was run "gparted" on the drive--not even change it--and then I found I could mount it14:14
lordievaderEvilRoey: Could you pastebin the output of 'ls /dev/sd*'?14:15
kamil_hi guys, i have weird problem14:17
kamil_when i connect my speakers to laptop, they dont play14:17
kamil_i have to manually change connector from speakers to HEADPHONES, and then speakers will play14:18
EvilRoeylordievader:  it's udev so it'll show a bunch I figure... hold on14:18
kamil_is it annoying and weird, do you have any idea?14:18
EvilRoeykamil_:  what kind of conncetion is it14:19
EvilRoeylordievader:  20150901 09:54:39 roey@gear:~$ ls /dev/sd*14:19
EvilRoey/dev/sda  /dev/sda1  /dev/sda214:19
EvilRoeyoh.  Hrm.14:19
kamil_EvilRoey: i have combo jack in my laptop14:19
EvilRoeylordievader:  I guess the system didn't pick it up when I connected it.14:19
EvilRoeykamil_:  ah.. I meant, is it USB or headphone jack?14:19
EvilRoeyalsamixer14:19
kamil_it is jack14:20
EvilRoeysometimes it might be muted14:20
EvilRoeyok14:20
amichair_hey guys, any news on plasma 5.4.0 backport?14:20
EvilRoeyso you can try alsamixer and then pavucontrol14:20
EvilRoeykamil_:  it may be that your sound gets auto-muted (you'll see it in alsamixer as "M")14:20
BluesKajkamil_, the headpone output isn't meant for speakers, altho they will play. The speakers referred to in alsa are the internal speakers14:20
kamil_okay, but why i have to change it automatically in Kmix?14:21
kamil_sorry not in kmix14:21
kamil_in settings14:21
kamil_i have to change it manually*14:22
BluesKajkamil_, if they work, why worry , it's a minor problem14:22
kamil_not really, in other systems it worked14:22
kamil_i am not going to leave it "because of reason"14:23
BluesKajthen try with different settings untill they work for you .. a lot depends on the sound card make and model, sometimes the the same audio chip works differntly in different cards , there's no hard and fast rule when it comes to audio on linux14:26
kamil_okay ill try14:28
lordievaderEvilRoey: Just one disk?14:34
EvilRoeylordievader:  apparently that's all it sees at this point, yeah14:35
EvilRoey..14:35
EvilRoeylordievader:  I need to turn it off and then on again and watch what dmesg says14:35
lordievaderEvilRoey: So, as I said before, there is your problem ;)14:35
EvilRoeyyeah :)14:35
lordievaderEvilRoey: Run the udev monitor14:36
EvilRoeyhow so?14:36
lordievaderEvilRoey: Shows if the kernel recognizes the drive.14:36
EvilRoeyok14:36
EvilRoeyhow do I do this?14:36
EvilRoeyis the command just "udev monitor" ?14:36
lordievadersudo udevadm monitor --environment --udev14:36
EvilRoeyah interesting14:37
EvilRoeylordievader:  and what does this show me regarding USB connections & external hard drives?14:37
lordievaderIt shows anything that goes through udev.14:38
EvilRoeyoh! ok then.14:39
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yossarianukanyone had any joy with Plasma5.4 + new nvidia driver 355.11 with EGL ?15:39
BluesKajplasma 5.4 is a letdown so far IMO15:41
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BluesKajanother example of releasing too soon, i15:43
BluesKajit's not whole yet15:43
yossarianukwell EGL is experimental, my issue is that that it just will not enable...15:44
yossarianukplasma 5.4 seems a bit nicer than 5.2/5.315:44
yossarianukreally like the new application launcher.15:44
BluesKajrealy? , the app launcher looks the same to me15:45
yossarianuki.e -> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/08/plasma-5-4-new-features15:47
yossarianukIts like unity/gnome launcher but faster (and doesn't online search..)15:47
yossarianukyou have you right click on the kmenu then -> alternatives15:48
yossarianuk(you need 5.4 though)15:48
BluesKajoh the dashboard, I still use the kicke15:49
BluesKajkicker15:50
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yossarianukthe dashboard is new in 5.4..16:02
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anna`How do i stop windows from opening stuck to a corner?16:59
roman__what?17:03
anna`system settings -> window management -> Advanced tab -> placement -> Change it from "smart"17:04
mikkleHas Kubuntu 15.10 replaced kmix with plasma-pa yet?17:22
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OkitainAnyone got Thunderbird's tray to work, peeps?18:52
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