[03:44] <rony> hello
[03:44] <rony> everybody
[06:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:17] <Silmarilion> Hi does anybody know where is the option to disable the remember open apps when shutting down?
[06:18] <Silmarilion> found it
[07:13] <noums> hello every body ... I am trying to upgrade my kubuntu 14.04 to 15.04 ... can someone help me ?
[07:14] <hateball> noums: What seems to be the issue?
[07:15] <noums> i tryed multiple command like this "sudo do-release-upgrade -d", or this "sudo kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade" bet nothing is happening
[07:17] <soee> i'm not sure if such upgrade is supported, hmm
[07:19] <soee> well maybe it is :)
[07:31] <hateball> noums: It is likely that your settings are to only go from LTS to LTS
[07:32] <noums> thanks ... Ia going  to try to change config  to see if it works better
[07:32] <hateball> noums: And 14.04 is the current LTS release. So if you want to change that, you can go into Muon and change settings from LTS only
[07:32] <hateball> Then you'll have to upgrade 14.04 -> 14.10 -> 15.04
[07:35] <lordievader> Wich will be interesting since 14.10 is EOL.
[07:38] <hateball> Well, there are other ways....
[07:39] <lordievader> Indeed, reinstalling is likely easier and faster.
[09:08] <Isotop7> is kubuntu planning to support more devices with kubuntu phone?
[10:42] <yossarianuk> Is anyone aware of a keyboard shortcut in konsole (or maybe just general Linux) that outputs the /etc/hosts contents ?
[10:43] <yossarianuk> I ask as everytime my 2rd old bangs my keyboard randomly he manages to do that (there is no way he he doing .cat /etc/hosts'
[10:45] <diafour_> less /etc/hosts ? ;]
[10:57] <yossarianuk> diafour_: pretty sure he's not typing a command... its like some odd shortcut ...
[10:57] <yossarianuk> (not a major issue just interested in how he keep doing it.)
[10:58] <diafour_> awh... 2 year old?
[10:59] <diafour_> Just press page up and enter. May be cat /etc/hosts is a first line in your history.
[11:00] <yossarianuk> diafour_: i've check and there is no line... maybe when he grows up a but he'll tell daddy...
[11:05] <lordievader> ctrl +r -> c -> enter?
[11:07] <diafour_> man bash
[11:07] <diafour_>  /complete-hostname
[11:07] <diafour_> =)
[11:22] <admin4ek> hello
[11:23] <admin4ek> any body use QHD+ ultrabook
[11:46] <abel__> dasd
[11:46] <abel__> hi all
[11:51] <amichair_> any news on plasma 5.4.0 backport?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:15] <lordievader> o/
[12:51] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  \o
[12:51] <EvilRoey> hey BluesKaj
[12:51] <EvilRoey> lordievader, BluesKaj: are you guys Ubuntu or Blue Systems staff?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> ev` I'm neither
[12:52] <EvilRoey> ah ok
[12:52] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey ^
[12:53] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  but I see you here offering support, are you involved officially with Kubuntu?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> < --- a home user who tests kubuntu
[12:53] <EvilRoey> aha!
[12:53] <EvilRoey> ok
[12:53] <EvilRoey> I am a home user as well
[12:54] <EvilRoey> currently I have an issue getting my backup HD to mount (same issue as a few months back)
[12:56] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey, do you have the HDD as an entry in /etc/fstab?
[12:56] <lordievader> EvilRoey: No.
[12:56] <lordievader> EvilRoey: How are you trying to mount it?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> well, you should
[12:57] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, that is wrong.
[12:57] <Graf_Westerholt> I do not have an entry in fstab and it works fine.
[12:57] <BluesKaj> works here Graf_Westerholt
[12:57] <lordievader> Graf_Westerholt: You let KDE mount it?
[12:57] <lordievader> I allways dislike DE's mounting my stuff.
[12:57] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, you can also do a rain dance, it will work for you with your disk, but also without the rain dance.
[12:58] <Graf_Westerholt> lordievader, yes, KDE.
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, I prefer a shorter UUID than a bunch of numbers and letters
[12:58] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I do not care about an UUID.
[12:59] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I guess you do it a lot wrong.
[12:59] <BluesKaj> i don't care thay you don't care, Graf_Westerholt so stop interefering , you do it your way
[12:59] <lordievader> A UUID is determined by the filesystem type?
[13:00] <lordievader> Anyhow, EvilRoey how are you trying to mount it?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> I was making a sugestion that works for most users
[13:06] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, you can suggest a rain dance and it will work, because it also work without a rain dance.
[13:07] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, you're going on ignore, sop dopn't waste your energy on me
[13:08] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, but the people who wants real help can still read me. :P
 EvilRoey, do you have the HDD as an entry in /etc/fstab?
[13:44] <EvilRoey> er kinda?
[13:44] <EvilRoey> not sure if the UUID is there, lemme check
[13:44] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  trying to mount it with the mount command: mount /backup
[13:45] <EvilRoey> oh I see that I don't use UUIDs for the backup drives
[13:45] <EvilRoey> I just have it as /dev/sdc /backup in fstab
[13:45] <EvilRoey> sudo mount /backup works
[13:45] <EvilRoey> er
[13:45] <EvilRoey> it reutrns without visible error
[13:46] <EvilRoey> but then I don't see it actually mounted when I issue "mount"
[13:47] <lordievader> EvilRoey: No errors? So it is mounted?
[13:47] <EvilRoey> er I don't think it is mounted, no.
[13:48] <lordievader> EvilRoey: What is the output of 'mount'?
[13:48] <EvilRoey> it is missing that entry showing that the disk is mounted
[13:48] <EvilRoey> (obviously it is not)
[13:48] <EvilRoey> I'd paste you the stuff but really I need to be next to the disk to be able to turn it on/off and see any changes in syslog or dmesg
[13:49] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Could you pastbin your /etc/fstab and the output of 'sudo mount -v /backup'?
[13:49] <EvilRoey> sure.
[13:50] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  http://pastebin.com/Ge8SjgUC
[13:51] <lordievader> Hmm, and the fstab?
[13:53] <EvilRoey> # 20140626 Roey Katz:  Dirvish backup drive
[13:53] <EvilRoey> /dev/sdc               /backup                    ext4    nofail,noatime,defaults  0   2
[13:53] <EvilRoey> 20150901 09:52:52 roey@gear:~$
[13:53] <Graf_Westerholt> EvilRoey, why do you want to mount it in the terminal?
[13:53] <EvilRoey> well I have it auotmatically monting at startup
[13:53] <EvilRoey> but the reason I mount it in the terminal,
[13:53] <EvilRoey> is because I swap it every few weeks with an identically-sized hard drive
[13:53] <EvilRoey> I rotate backup drives
[13:53] <lordievader> EvilRoey: You put the filesystem right on the blockdevice?
[13:53] <lordievader> No partition table?
[13:53] <EvilRoey> oh you mean instead of a partition?
[13:54] <EvilRoey> em yeah I guess
[13:54] <lordievader> Yes.
[13:54] <EvilRoey> there's no difference for me in terms of performance or functionality
[13:54] <EvilRoey> I mean my system's drive is partitioned
[13:54] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Could you pastebin the output of 'sudo parted /dev/sdc'?
[13:54] <EvilRoey> of course
[13:54] <Graf_Westerholt> EvilRoey, so you are having your backup drive always connected to your PC?
[13:54] <EvilRoey> Error: Could not stat device /dev/sdc - No such file or directory.
[13:54] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  yeah
[13:55] <Graf_Westerholt> EvilRoey, than it is not a backup. You are doing it all wrong.
[13:55] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  yeah I run dirvish so it incrementally backs up every night
[13:55] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  and then I swap it out periodically with another drive
[13:55] <EvilRoey> so that even if I lose the comptuer, I still have my data (minus a week or so)
[13:55] <lordievader> EvilRoey: There is your issue.
[13:55] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  how so
[13:55] <Graf_Westerholt> EvilRoey, if yor PC gets demage do high voltage or something it will destroy also the packup. You never do it the way you do now.
[13:55] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  what's the correct way then?
[13:55] <lordievader> EvilRoey: You are trying to mount sdc, according to your output there is no sdc.
[13:56] <Graf_Westerholt> EvilRoey, you should read how to do backups right.
[13:56] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  right. Like I said, I'd go at my drive and turn it off/on to determine the bigger issue
[13:56] <lordievader> It't external?
[13:56] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  you're antagonizing me with your non-constructive condescension.
[13:56] <Graf_Westerholt> EvilRoey, ok, go on and lose your data.
[13:56] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  please don't talk to me.  Thank you.
[13:58] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Is sdc external?
[14:08] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  correct
[14:08] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  like, that's the worst advice you can possibly give anyone.
[14:09] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  "you're doing it all wrong".  Really?  When your only quip with what I described is that it's connected to my computer.
[14:09] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  doesn't sound at all "all wrong"
[14:11] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Then you really want to mount by UUID.
[14:11] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Just ignore him ;)
[14:13] <EvilRoey> :)
[14:14] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  I'll have lines in fstab for both drives then, aye
[14:14] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  so this issue is interesting because in the past, all I did was run "gparted" on the drive--not even change it--and then I found I could mount it
[14:15] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Could you pastebin the output of 'ls /dev/sd*'?
[14:17] <kamil_> hi guys, i have weird problem
[14:17] <kamil_> when i connect my speakers to laptop, they dont play
[14:18] <kamil_> i have to manually change connector from speakers to HEADPHONES, and then speakers will play
[14:18] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  it's udev so it'll show a bunch I figure... hold on
[14:18] <kamil_> is it annoying and weird, do you have any idea?
[14:19] <EvilRoey> kamil_:  what kind of conncetion is it
[14:19] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  20150901 09:54:39 roey@gear:~$ ls /dev/sd*
[14:19] <EvilRoey> /dev/sda  /dev/sda1  /dev/sda2
[14:19] <EvilRoey> oh.  Hrm.
[14:19] <kamil_> EvilRoey: i have combo jack in my laptop
[14:19] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  I guess the system didn't pick it up when I connected it.
[14:19] <EvilRoey> kamil_:  ah.. I meant, is it USB or headphone jack?
[14:19] <EvilRoey> alsamixer
[14:20] <kamil_> it is jack
[14:20] <EvilRoey> sometimes it might be muted
[14:20] <EvilRoey> ok
[14:20] <amichair_> hey guys, any news on plasma 5.4.0 backport?
[14:20] <EvilRoey> so you can try alsamixer and then pavucontrol
[14:20] <EvilRoey> kamil_:  it may be that your sound gets auto-muted (you'll see it in alsamixer as "M")
[14:20] <BluesKaj> kamil_, the headpone output isn't meant for speakers, altho they will play. The speakers referred to in alsa are the internal speakers
[14:21] <kamil_> okay, but why i have to change it automatically in Kmix?
[14:21] <kamil_> sorry not in kmix
[14:21] <kamil_> in settings
[14:22] <kamil_> i have to change it manually*
[14:22] <BluesKaj> kamil_, if they work, why worry , it's a minor problem
[14:22] <kamil_> not really, in other systems it worked
[14:23] <kamil_> i am not going to leave it "because of reason"
[14:26] <BluesKaj> then try with different settings untill they work for you .. a lot depends on the sound card make and model, sometimes the the same audio chip works differntly in different cards , there's no hard and fast rule when it comes to audio on linux
[14:28] <kamil_> okay ill try
[14:34] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Just one disk?
[14:35] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  apparently that's all it sees at this point, yeah
[14:35] <EvilRoey> ..
[14:35] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  I need to turn it off and then on again and watch what dmesg says
[14:35] <lordievader> EvilRoey: So, as I said before, there is your problem ;)
[14:35] <EvilRoey> yeah :)
[14:36] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Run the udev monitor
[14:36] <EvilRoey> how so?
[14:36] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Shows if the kernel recognizes the drive.
[14:36] <EvilRoey> ok
[14:36] <EvilRoey> how do I do this?
[14:36] <EvilRoey> is the command just "udev monitor" ?
[14:36] <lordievader> sudo udevadm monitor --environment --udev
[14:37] <EvilRoey> ah interesting
[14:37] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  and what does this show me regarding USB connections & external hard drives?
[14:38] <lordievader> It shows anything that goes through udev.
[14:39] <EvilRoey> oh! ok then.
[15:39] <yossarianuk> anyone had any joy with Plasma5.4 + new nvidia driver 355.11 with EGL ?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> plasma 5.4 is a letdown so far IMO
[15:43] <BluesKaj> another example of releasing too soon, i
[15:43] <BluesKaj> it's not whole yet
[15:44] <yossarianuk> well EGL is experimental, my issue is that that it just will not enable...
[15:44] <yossarianuk> plasma 5.4 seems a bit nicer than 5.2/5.3
[15:44] <yossarianuk> really like the new application launcher.
[15:45] <BluesKaj> realy? , the app launcher looks the same to me
[15:47] <yossarianuk> i.e -> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/08/plasma-5-4-new-features
[15:47] <yossarianuk> Its like unity/gnome launcher but faster (and doesn't online search..)
[15:48] <yossarianuk> you have you right click on the kmenu then -> alternatives
[15:48] <yossarianuk> (you need 5.4 though)
[15:49] <BluesKaj> oh the dashboard, I still use the kicke
[15:50] <BluesKaj> kicker
[16:02] <yossarianuk> the dashboard is new in 5.4..
[16:59] <anna`> How do i stop windows from opening stuck to a corner?
[17:03] <roman__> what?
[17:04] <anna`> system settings -> window management -> Advanced tab -> placement -> Change it from "smart"
[17:22] <mikkle> Has Kubuntu 15.10 replaced kmix with plasma-pa yet?
[18:52] <Okitain> Anyone got Thunderbird's tray to work, peeps?