| dsmythies | For the doc tream meeting, please go to #ubuntu-doc. | 15:59 |
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| kees | \o | 16:00 |
| mdeslaur | o/ | 16:00 |
| infinity | o/ | 16:00 |
| * slangasek waves | 16:01 | |
| pitti | o/ | 16:01 |
| pitti | infinity: so, your turn today? | 16:01 |
| infinity | Yep. | 16:01 |
| infinity | Just waiting for more hands to go up. :P | 16:01 |
| pitti | i. e. stgraber's? | 16:02 |
| infinity | We'll live without him, I guess. | 16:02 |
| infinity | #startmeeting | 16:02 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Sep 1 16:02:50 2015 UTC. The chair is infinity. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 16:02 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 16:02 |
| infinity | [TOPIC] Action review | 16:03 |
| infinity | slangasek: Looks like you had two. | 16:03 |
| infinity | ACTION: slangasek to forward complaint to Canonical legal | 16:03 |
| infinity | ACTION: slangasek to document maas, juju, docker exceptions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases | 16:03 |
| slangasek | infinity: both carried over | 16:04 |
| infinity | pitti: ACTION: pitti to propose amendment to general SRU policy for new features in LTS | 16:04 |
| pitti | yay! done | 16:05 |
| pitti | (after some 4 times bouncing) | 16:05 |
| pitti | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2015-September/thread.html | 16:05 |
| infinity | \o/ | 16:05 |
| mdeslaur | \o/ | 16:05 |
| pitti | I also used the opportunity to propose and clean up the SRU policy at large | 16:05 |
| pitti | the actual "new features" amendment is rather small | 16:05 |
| pitti | but admittedly I only sent this an hour or so ago, so I don't expect anyone to have read it yet and thought about it | 16:06 |
| pitti | so maybe replies on the list? | 16:06 |
| * stgraber waves | 16:06 | |
| pitti | ça va stgraber ! | 16:06 |
| mdeslaur | I skimmed it, but haven't thought it through yet | 16:06 |
| infinity | Right, let's take that to the list, and if we don't get anywhere, discuss it at the next meeting. | 16:06 |
| infinity | [ACTION] Everyone to review pitti's SRU policy ammendments and +1/-1 on-list. | 16:07 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Everyone to review pitti's SRU policy ammendments and +1/-1 on-list. | 16:07 |
| stgraber | pitti: très bien, merci! Sorry for being a bit late, was changing location. | 16:07 |
| mdeslaur | pitti: this basically removes the need to get an explicit tech-board ack for SRU microreleases, right? | 16:07 |
| slangasek | hadn't seen the mail until just now | 16:07 |
| infinity | Do we need to tackle jcastro's driver update stuff in the meeting, or is the healthy list debate working for everyone. | 16:08 |
| infinity | ? | 16:08 |
| pitti | mdeslaur: that's the intention -- as we basically always ask the same question etc. | 16:08 |
| mdeslaur | pitti: ok, was just making sure I parsed it correctly | 16:08 |
| pitti | so I'd rather generalize the principles, and stop this (IMHO rather unmaintainable) list | 16:08 |
| mdeslaur | infinity: I think jcastro was ok with the discussion | 16:08 |
| pitti | Alberto had some followup with some new points (short-lived drivers) | 16:08 |
| pitti | but I'm still firmly opposed to enabling random PPAs with some driver GUI | 16:09 |
| infinity | Ditto. | 16:09 |
| stgraber | yup | 16:09 |
| infinity | I had some rather strong opinions off-list about that. | 16:09 |
| mdeslaur | yeah, I'd rather see more driver updates in the actual archive | 16:09 |
| slangasek | full agreement | 16:10 |
| stgraber | short-lived test drivers can go to a PPA. Production-ready drivers can go in as SRUs. | 16:10 |
| infinity | Alright, let's keep this discussion on-list, since there's plenty there already, and it's nice to keep the discussion in the same spot. | 16:10 |
| stgraber | and said PPA would have to be manually added by any user/tester of said driver | 16:10 |
| pitti | yeah, nothing wrong with having PPAs, just don't use them as SRU bypasses | 16:10 |
| jcastro | yes the plan is for us to iterate in the PPA, and then people can steal that into distro as necessary | 16:10 |
| mdeslaur | I have no objection to perhaps making the SRU waiting period shorter in the future if we're trying to get day-one drivers for specific games in though | 16:10 |
| jcastro | just in case people missed my email withdrawing the PPA proposal | 16:11 |
| infinity | mdeslaur: Given past quality of those updates, I object to that until there's a better history. | 16:11 |
| pitti | I do belive that we have stalled SRU/NEW queues, but enabling PPAs by default doesn't sound like the answer | 16:11 |
| infinity | mdeslaur: They introduce packaging regressions often. | 16:11 |
| jcastro | pitti: agree 100% | 16:11 |
| mdeslaur | infinity: yes, I agree. hence the "in the future" | 16:11 |
| slangasek | I didn't get a chance to point this out on the list yet, but one factor in NEW being slow for SRUs is that it's a different queue | 16:11 |
| slangasek | I think for jcastro's use case the packages should be continuous SRUs of a single source package, to avoid this | 16:12 |
| pitti | yeah, hardly ever looked at | 16:12 |
| slangasek | (technical details etc) | 16:12 |
| pitti | or at least we need to plant the "look at NEW" idea into ~ubuntu-sru's habits | 16:12 |
| infinity | I'm training a couple of new AAs to try to help the queue depth issue, but it might help to get formal about driver updates, much like I did for kernel SRUs when they were having issues a few years ago. | 16:12 |
| stgraber | right, that'd also mean getting potentially reviewable diffs instead of the unreviewable monstrosity we get today | 16:12 |
| slangasek | pitti: planting in habits won't change the problem of multiple queues + queue starvation, really | 16:12 |
| pitti | TBH, the nvidia driver is comparatively hard to source-NEW, as it's such a complex package (both license-wise and packaging-wise) | 16:13 |
| slangasek | anyway, the TB doesn't need to micromanage this part I think, sorry for bringing it up :) | 16:13 |
| infinity | Heh. | 16:13 |
| infinity | [TOPIC] Mailing list archives | 16:13 |
| pitti | nothing new aside from the driver thingies that I can see | 16:14 |
| infinity | Anything else interesting that we've been missing? | 16:14 |
| * pitti pats his mutt filters marking TB email green | 16:14 | |
| infinity | [TOPIC] Community bugs | 16:15 |
| infinity | Nada. | 16:15 |
| infinity | [TOPIC] Next chair | 16:15 |
| pitti | next time: me, then slangasek ? | 16:15 |
| infinity | The wiki claims pitti, which is oddy out of order if today was me. | 16:15 |
| infinity | But sure, pitti, then slangasek. | 16:15 |
| slangasek | infinity: was yours a catch-up? | 16:16 |
| pitti | hm, can't remember the history; we might have swapped due to non-attendance or whatnot | 16:16 |
| slangasek | anyway | 16:16 |
| infinity | slangasek: Might have been. | 16:16 |
| infinity | [TOPIC] AOB | 16:16 |
| infinity | Anybody have any OB? | 16:16 |
| pitti | nothign from me | 16:16 |
| mdeslaur | nope | 16:17 |
| stgraber | nope | 16:17 |
| slangasek | no | 16:17 |
| infinity | Alright, off to edit the wiki. | 16:17 |
| infinity | #endmeeting | 16:17 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Sep 1 16:17:23 2015 UTC. | 16:17 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2015/ubuntu-meeting-2.2015-09-01-16.02.moin.txt | 16:17 |
| mdeslaur | thanks everyone! | 16:17 |
| mdeslaur | thanks infinity | 16:17 |
| pitti | thanks folks | 16:17 |
| stgraber | thanks! | 16:17 |
| kees | thanks all | 16:18 |
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