[00:06] i want to install ubuntu touch on xolo q3000 [00:10] ^^ [00:13] naveen: if no one did a port already for it you need to make one for that device. but that needs some skills [00:13] Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting [00:54] !devices | naveen [00:54] naveen: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [00:55] !patience | naveen [00:55] naveen: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ [04:13] thank you ubot5 [04:49] bfiller: kenvandine: if the statesaver doesn't get the quit signal, it won't wipe out the state database, so next time it will see it and restore it [04:51] kenvandine: the one question is whether your qtubuntu change does trigger the quit signal or not... [04:51] sorry, gerry's change :) [06:41] good morning === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [07:52] hi all, any idea how to handle gamepad from qml? === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [08:18] guest42315: haven't tried it myself but this may be interesting to you: http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2015-May/021380.html [08:19] * mcphail gently hums "In the Ghetto" and notes that his bq is still stuck on OTA-5 [08:21] mcphail, wed. was the estimated release day i thought [08:22] ogra_: good to know. I'd heard "start of the week" [08:22] * mcphail loves an OTA [08:23] thanks aavit === larsu_ is now known as larsu [08:44] * popey wonders if he'll get his OTA before mcphail [08:44] well, you know "the guy" ... thats unfair [08:44] popey: that would be favouritism [08:45] i'm living on the edge… rc proposed [08:45] popey: plus, you've got about 100 Ubuntu phones. You'll be blocking the update server for ages [08:46] * mcphail imagines the Ubuntu-phone update server is powered by a hamster wheel [08:47] hah [08:47] i have _one_ retail bq phone [08:47] * Stanley00 is currently happy with rc-propose... update almost every day :P [08:54] Stanley00: my mother used to tell me "You'd get bored with Christmas if it happened every day" :) [08:59] mcphail: yeah... but curently, waiting a month for new features is so slow for me... [09:00] Stanley00: 6 week these days. 7 If you have a bq :( [09:00] Hey everyone. Sorry if this has been answered before but I can't find any official docs detailing an answer online. I've just bough a Meizu MX4 with Ubuntu Touch and I'm looking to disable the automatic brightness dim feature, is this possible? [09:01] I've tried the answer here but no joy: http://askubuntu.com/questions/628345/how-to-disable-ubuntu-phone-auto-dim-function [09:02] On another note too, I take it that issuing "remount -o remount,rw /" is a bad idea for Ubuntu Touch due to OTA updates potentially bricking the phone? [09:03] CaptainHeavy: I think "bricking" would be a bit strong. You may need to reflash if soemthing goes wrong [09:03] pete-woods, are the indicator-network integration tests passing locally for you? [09:03] mcphail: fair enough. Its not encouraged to do the remount though? [09:04] CaptainHeavy: not encouraged, no. But I suspect most people on here do it for some purpose or another [09:04] CaptainHeavy: If you want to install software, though, the preferred option is a chroot [09:04] mcphail: OK, thank you. I'd seen some people on the net strongly advising against it so thought it best to avoid it entirely! [09:05] mcphail: oh, that's exactly what I did on my phone, just wonder why there's no link on the web mention about that... :( [09:05] CaptainHeavy: I rewrite my /etc/hosts and add software to /usr/local/bin. Not had a problem yet, but ymmv [09:06] mcphail: sounds sensible, might give that a go if I get desperate :) [09:06] mcphail: I take it there's no official answer on turning off the auto-brightness dim then? [09:07] CaptainHeavy: do you mean the dimming which happens after a minute or so? [09:07] mcphail: that's the one! Not the auto-lock, to clarify. [09:08] CaptainHeavy: you can disable auto-brightness on the battery-indicator [09:09] svij: sorry , didn't mean that type of auto-brightness, I meant the dimming that occurs after 40 seconds of inactivity, not the auto-brightness adjustment enabled by the sensor on the front of the phone. [09:09] CaptainHeavy: My understanding is that is fixed, but apps such as video players will have to specifically request not to dim. I may be wrong, though [09:09] CaptainHeavy: oh right [09:10] mcphail: I was considering getting involved in developing the OS since I've noticed a couple of issues and am a programmer. I've read that someone has made a pull request for a fix but I don't think its been merged yet. [09:10] mcphail: a fix for the auto-brightness dim, that is. [09:11] CaptainHeavy: aah. I thought it had been fixed in one of the -devel channels [09:11] mcphail: possibly, haven't had a look through the channels and code as of yet, only just got back to work today after the UK bank holiday (I got the phone last Wednesday for my birthday and had some time off too) [09:12] CaptainHeavy: if you are a programmer, I think you'll like the phone. It is very hackable [09:13] CaptainHeavy: and I'm sure the Ubuntu chaps/chapesses would appreciate all the help you can give [09:13] mcphail: Excellent, that's kind of what I expected from Ubuntu Touch :) The scopes are nice but it'd be great if you could specify where content is pulled from in a more user-fiendly way. [09:14] CaptainHeavy: I'm still not sure about scopes, tbh. [09:14] mcphail: I'll have to make myself known then, I've not done any dev. work with Ubuntu but the phone has spurred me on. Need to stop being so lazy about getting involved [09:15] CaptainHeavy: brilliant! [09:15] mcphail: I'm glad someone else has said that, I've shifted the app page so that its the first Scope I see since the "Today" Scrope sometimes hangs up and causes the phone to become inactive if there's no signal [09:15] mcphail: sorry, App scope [09:16] CaptainHeavy: me too [09:16] mcphail: It'd be nice if they could work like super RSS feeds I guess, that's what I meant by being able to edit where Scope content comes from [09:17] CaptainHeavy: I think the scopes suffer from being rather stateless, as well. Annoying when they always feel the need to refresh, and often fail [09:18] mcphail: aye, I imagine they use a significant amount of data too and some people may get a little peeved if their data costs increase due to them. Seems like a "safer" solution to have the App Scope as the primary scope in that case. [09:20] CaptainHeavy: I'm not a social media user, so a "Today" scopw hich could tell me the day, date, calendar apts and weather should only need to refresh about 2--4 times/day [09:20] CaptainHeavy: just now, it seems to refresh every time I switch to it [09:20] jgdx: they always have done before your current MR at least [09:21] mcphail: I've noticed that too, think you're right about it [09:21] jgdx: unlike the indicator itself, the indicator-network testing is a thing of beauty [09:24] CaptainHeavy: The platform needs more apps, In particular, it needs more "proper" apps which keep state etc, rather than dumb-type webapps [09:24] CaptainHeavy: so any contributions would be appreciated [09:25] mcphail: yeah, the webapps seem easy to make I guess [09:25] CaptainHeavy: perhaps a little too easy :) [09:26] mcphail: Ideally, I'd like to get started on a browser app since the packaged browser seems a little clunky in places. Plus, I use Google Chrome so it'd be nice to have the settings sync on the phone :) [09:26] mcphail: That and I used to program for the web [09:27] CaptainHeavy: I have no problem with decent html5 apps, but hate apps which are just a frame around a webpage [09:27] mcphail: apologies if this question sounds ignorant but, are you part of the core dev team? [09:27] CaptainHeavy: not in any way! I have no connection to Ubuntu or Canonical [09:28] CaptainHeavy: but lots of the team do lurk here and in #ubuntu-app-devel [09:28] mcphail: Yeah, its just added layers that seem useless when you could just access the webpage through the browser. [09:28] mcphail: cool, I'll hang out on those groups a little and see what's being discussed [09:28] CaptainHeavy: popey is the de facto interface to the core devs [09:29] mcphail: excellent, thank you [09:29] CaptainHeavy: good luck. I'm off to a meeting but good to talk to you [09:30] mcphail: thank you and same to you too :) [09:33] hah [09:33] thanks mcphail :) [09:34] popey: you can't escape your dedstiny [09:34] * mcphail can't escape typos on this keyboard [09:35] :) [09:36] * popey runs away [09:36] popey: haha, don't worry, I don't bit! [09:36] *bite [09:38] popey: nice to see a core dev on here, by the way! [09:55] pete-woods, okay, I'm getting test failures on trunk. Anything I need to do? [09:58] pete-woods, it also fails horribly if the system lang is any other than english. === kissiel is now known as kissiel-afk === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === kissiel-afk is now known as kissiel === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [12:21] hm, SMS notifications get displayed while the phone is locked... this ain't good [12:28] m0n5t3r, you can turn that off in the privacy settings === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [12:58] zsombi_, ah, so quit should be clearing it? maybe that fix didn't completely fix it === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [13:04] jgdx, what do you make of this? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/3204/testReport/junit/ubuntu_system_settings.tests.test_cellular/DualSimCellularTestCase/test_roaming_switch/ [13:04] jgdx, perhaps that was caused by that same problem where the page doesn't seem to get the data from ofono? [13:05] and doesn't display [13:06] kenvandine, yeh, seen that a couple of times, but only together with the keyboard failure. [13:06] if it's in the roaming tests, that's no longer keyboard related === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:07] i don't have any suggestions at this point other than creating a proper dbusmock template [13:07] perhaps [13:07] but [13:08] didn't someone see that page not load in the wild? [13:08] not just in tests? [13:08] i think since the sim is null there, it's likely the same problem [13:08] ogra_: on the stable channel? the only thing that seems connected to this is "stats on welcome screen", but it's supposed to be about the activity circle thing, not notifications [13:09] jgdx, also... one of seb's string changes broke a test... i missed it because having failing tests was the norm :( [13:09] kenvandine, when bill saw that the indicator was a goner as well, IIRC [13:10] yeah, i think that's a sign of deeper problems [13:10] but i think there's a real problem there [13:10] not sure if we can handle it in settings [13:10] i think the only fix was a reboot [13:10] so yeah, maybe mocking that better would be the right thing [13:11] m0n5t3r, yes, it is there since day one iirc ... under the locking options [13:11] yup, disabled it and "no data sources available", notifications are stil accessible (for the record, "your login code is 123456" will display just fine in that space) [13:11] mkay, found it [13:12] thanks [13:12] bfiller: heya, do you remember what sites you tried download vcf files from that didn't get detected and where you saw the browser showing up as a destination in the content-hub? [13:12] m0n5t3r, i dont mesan the toplevel page :) [13:12] ah [13:12] :) [13:12] kenvandine, have you looked at the syslog? Seeing http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12245327/ [13:13] jgdx, ugh... good catch [13:13] jgdx, oh... Elleo is back, did you tell him about the keyboard failures? [13:13] Elleo, welcome back btw :) [13:13] kenvandine, no, I just assumed my many pings would be in a log somewhere :p [13:14] kenvandine: I saw the bug jgdx filed, haven't tried to reproduce it yet though [13:14] and didn't want to add additionals [13:14] ah great, he filed a bug [13:14] Elleo, did you have a good time off? :) [13:14] jgdx: yeah, was really good; was camping up at the edinburgh fringe [13:14] nice [13:14] abeato, hey, do you have any rough idea why this [1] would happen during system settings test runs on mako? [1] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12245327/ [13:14] ogra_: btw, you were saying I should run extra stuff in a separate lxc container... couldn't for the life of me make it work (it just won't start), but tor starts just fine from a chroot, I'll just have to find a way to make it start at boot [13:15] Elleo, you're braver then I am! Camping? Tents? [13:15] Elleo, we've been seeing it in CI, and jgdx reproduced it running the ubuntu-keyboard autopilot tests as well [13:15] jgdx, i'm going camping this weekend :) [13:15] jgdx: yeah, although unfortunately the campsite was out near the airport so was a bit noisey in the mornings ;) [13:15] jgdx, seems like an ofono crash, do you see crash files? [13:15] Elleo, that doesn't seem like nature :) [13:16] kenvandine, but you have to, gat kids [13:16] indeed [13:16] kenvandine: I wasn't there for nature, I was there for comedy ;) [13:16] abeato, no crash files [13:16] haha [13:16] Elleo, festival? [13:16] that's cool [13:16] jgdx: yeah, the edinburgh fringe is one of the world's biggest theatre, comedy, arts, music, etc. festivals; runs for a whole month [13:16] Elleo: let me find it [13:17] managed to squeeze in 37 different shows while I was up there [13:17] Elleo, nice [13:17] bfiller: thanks [13:17] wow [13:18] jgdx, can you reproduce? [13:18] jgdx, syslog would help too [13:19] abeato, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/3204/ [13:19] abeato, we've seen it in CI from time to time, not reliably [13:19] abeato, but some users have seen it on their devices [13:19] and when it happens i think the network indicator goes away too [13:20] abeato, but we don't really know how to reproduce it [13:20] m0n5t3r, you should be able to create an upstart session job for the phablet user [13:20] abeato, of course the CI tests are on mako, and i think bfiller saw it on arale [13:20] so not just one type of device [13:20] kenvandine, bfiller's could be unrelated [13:20] perhaps [13:20] if this is new [13:21] i think the symptom is the same, just a different test triggered it [13:21] jgdx: which problem you guys talkinga bout? [13:21] there were other tests that have failed where sim == null [13:21] m0n5t3r, though not sure how you can handle the root requirements for something like chroot or lxc [13:21] bfiller, spinning cellular panel [13:21] kenvandine, where is the link to the syslog in that page? [13:21] https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/3204/artifact/clientlogs/ubuntu_system_settings/syslog [13:22] kenvandine, great, thanks [13:22] kenvandine, but when I reprod it on mako, it happened inside the cellular panel [13:22] i.e. I got a UI, not the stuck spinner [13:22] jgdx, yeah... but i suspect the cause might be the same [13:22] basically ofono losing it's mind [13:22] making sim = null [13:22] it's a hunch anyway [13:23] so we see at least one modem, display the page [13:23] them sim changes to null [13:23] and boom [13:23] ogra_: I need root for transparent proxy firewall rules anyway, the global proxy thing doesn't work on mobile (/system/proxy/socks in dconf) [13:23] kenvandine, but which kind of tests are you running? [13:24] right now it's terminal, start thing with sudo [13:24] abeato, the test that failed in this case was switching roaming in the cellular panel [13:25] abeato, we haven't seen this often... but from time to time we see failures in cellular that has a similar symptom [13:26] kenvandine, jgdx ofono is exiting due to an assert, radio is suddenly switching to off [13:26] weird that ofono restarts without a crash though [13:26] it is an internal assert [13:26] ah [13:26] so I guess that's the reason [13:26] so no crash [13:26] g_assert() [13:27] "radio self-powered off!" is the smoking gun [13:27] Elleo: sample vcard was from here: http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/file/5543.html [13:27] abeato, why would that happen? [13:27] kenvandine, could you create a bug with the details? [13:27] no idea [13:27] abeato, sure [13:27] ugh, asserts in production code [13:27] kenvandine, you mean switching roaming data to on? [13:28] on or off, not sure off hand [13:28] but it doesn't get that far [13:28] ogra_: btw, the phone failing to boot after flashing thing resolved itself after I put in an SD card (for some reason the install script crashed before copying system files - I could get an adb shell into the recovery and look at some log in /tmp and it was complaining about a missing signature or keyring, and then it tried to mount the SD card and copy logs) [13:28] it never actually got the state [13:28] also, whoever thought it is a good idea to set the kernel serial baud rate to 921600 is nuts [13:29] hmm, ok [13:29] i think it blew up while the page was loading [13:29] this is probably mako-specific [13:30] ok, so maybe not the same thing bfiller saw [13:30] yep [13:30] 2015-09-01 01:19:21,100 - WARNING - file:///usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/cellular/Components/MultiSim.qml:123: TypeError: Cannot read property 'radioSettings' of null [13:30] we get stuff like that while the page loads [13:31] bfiller: thanks, my test with a VCF file worked fine, looks like the issue is that the server here is sending the mime-type as 'application/octet-stream', so we probably need to use the file extension as a fallback when getting ambigious mimetypes like that [13:31] none of the properties were set [13:31] * kenvandine files bug, thanks [13:31] bfiller: as at the moment we only use the file extension if we don't get a mimetype at all [13:32] Elleo: yes makes sense, we should use extension as fall back [13:32] seems like some weird condition under automatic testing, maybe timing issues [13:32] abeato, could it have something to do with rfkill? [13:33] kenvandine, don't know, does the test set/unset flight mode? [13:33] no, but there are other tests that do [13:33] maybe that causes a problem before we get to this test [13:34] not impossible [13:34] although i don't recall ever seeing flight mode tests fail [13:34] jgdx, do you know if we mock urfkill? [13:35] ok, anyway, please attach the syslog to the bug [13:35] yeah [13:35] thanks [13:35] kenvandine, hm === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:37] kenvandine, pretty sure we don't [13:38] kenvandine, why is the fm panel talking to rfkill at all? [13:39] jgdx, i actually am not sure it is, i've never looked at those tests [13:39] i think it should be doing it via the indicator [13:40] kenvandine, yeah, the connectivity api has a flightMode prop [13:40] but the indicator would be calling urfkill [13:41] Failed to get flight-mode status: The name org.freedesktop.URfkill was not provided by any .service files [13:41] jgdx, ^^ [13:42] kenvandine, that's from the syslog? [13:42] no [13:43] the settings log [13:43] in the roaming test [13:44] abeato, jgdx: bug 1490991 [13:44] bug 1490991 in ofono (Ubuntu) "ofono hitting an assert during settings test" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1490991 [13:44] kenvandine, thanks [13:44] kenvandine, thx [13:51] in my lockscreen info thingy i am getting: 'No data for today (/com/canonical/UserMetrics/Datasource/1)' [13:51] never had that before [13:52] oh Bq stable channel OTA5 [13:52] known bug? [14:06] What's the deal with the "H" phone network symbol in the taskbar at the top of the display, by the way? [14:08] CaptainHeavy, that's for hspa === fgimenez_ is now known as fgimenez [14:10] kenvandine: fantastic, thank you! I was concerned that the OS wasn't using 3G since there's a clear 2G indicator when the connection quality drops to it. === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [15:06] zsombi_, i've confirmed that we don't get the aboutToQuit signal when swiping to close [15:06] greyback, so bug 1434584 isn't completely fixed, and is causing us state saver problems [15:06] bug 1434584 in QtMir "closing an app by swiping it should graceful quit" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1434584 [15:07] dednick: ^^ how's that coming? [15:07] oh, there's more work going on for that? [15:07] greyback: i have to pick up the review comments [15:07] kenvandine: there was work done, but then dednick had holidays. He's back now! [15:08] the sdk needs to clear the saved state when quit properly, so it only restores state in the case it was killed for oom [15:08] but right now it restores state regardless, because of this bug [15:08] greyback, so the other work is in qtmir? [15:08] ok, well dednick's work should resolve it so [15:08] kenvandine: yeah [15:08] cool [15:09] zsombi_, i'll dupe that other bug then [15:09] i've linked the MP, so you can see when the other branch is ready. [15:09] *to the bug [15:09] dednick, thanks! [15:10] bfiller, ^^ FYI === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [15:25] hi [15:25] what's the default setting for the "persist.service.ssh" property on Ubuntu Touch? [15:26] CaptainHeavy, you should use the android-gadget-service to maintain that setting ... by default it is unset [15:26] ogra_: I found out about that after tweaking the setting :( [15:27] is iptables supported by the bq E4.5/5 and if yes, is snort or suricata also supported? [15:27] ogra_: I'm guessing android_gadget_service will have overwritten the property value if I used it (ags) after setting it myself? [15:28] android-gadget-service has a status command, check yourself ;) [15:30] "android-gadget-service status ssh" [15:31] ogra_: thanks :) [15:35] popey, heh ... http://i.imgur.com/wYr77Gq.png (terminal open with kbd expanded ... screen locks after timeout and i'm greeted with that when turning it on again) [15:37] only found this: "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/SnappyConfinement" and it talks about "snappy" and "future". so i am a little bit confused about that ... [15:38] ogra_: that looks like a bug [15:38] popey, a little, yes :) [15:38] ogra_: not convinced it's the terminal tho [15:39] funny that the same bugs return avery 5 years even if technology changes :) [15:39] :) [15:39] *every [15:39] * ogra_ remembers having "keyboard input goes to terminal" as bug in xscreensaver in 2006 :) [15:40] (when screen locked indeed) [15:40] studio: define "supported"? [15:40] studio: I mean, iptables command is there, and you can set firewall rules, sure. [15:41] kenvandine: why does system settings almost _always_ rotate to landscape when my phone is sat flat on my desk? [15:42] that would be the shell [15:42] don't know why [15:42] i see it sometimes too [15:42] hm [15:42] not just settings [15:42] i only seem to see it with settings [15:42] we don't do anything with orientation [15:42] maybe my usage pattern or something [15:42] popey, hmm, the keyboard thing is reliably reproducable for me ... even if i actively lock/unlock the screen [15:42] ogra_: great! i look forward to the bug report [15:43] popey, it is hard to find informations about "Ubuntu Touch" and firewall, iptables, IPS or IDS, therfore i am asking here. I'd prefer to know what my "mobile" -device is doing and how it act. [15:43] i saw it happen with 211 just this morning [15:43] and the ls i just typed on the locked screen actually gets input into the terminal window ... [15:43] funnily it only executes after unlocking :) [15:43] heh [15:43] (since the app is suspended i guess) [15:44] studio: okay, well you can use iptables for sure. [15:44] now ... do i file it against terminal or unity8 [15:44] * popey tries to reproduce [15:44] uh [15:44] that came out wrong [15:44] * ogra_ flips coin [15:44] well, you did already reproduce twice ... :P [15:45] ogra_: [M#Vhttp://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-09-01-164517.png [15:45] stupid paste [15:45] http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-09-01-164517.png [15:45] yeah [15:46] IMO unity8 [15:46] well, but additionally the terminal should probably collapse the kbd before suspending [15:46] studio: the reason it's hard to find information about Ubuntu phone and those things is because nobody has written on such topics [15:46] (though might be hard since it only gets a dumb SIGSTOP) [15:46] popey, ok, iptables is for outgoing (and incoming) traffic, but what about an incoming, for exp. "scan" and what for exp. for an outgoing app. that is not "willed"? [15:47] studio: that's a vague question [15:47] studio: it's ubuntu, so the same things apply on phone as on desktop in general [15:47] ogra_: i triggered it with browser too [15:47] ogra_: so it aint terminal :) [15:48] yeah [15:49] studio: we don't block traffic per-app [15:49] studio: so apps can do any outbound requests they like if they have the networking apparmor profile [15:50] studio: we ship a firewall by default, and it's on, but with no rules set. Feel free to set some if you want. [15:50] popey, bug 1491034 [15:50] bug 1491034 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "keyboard stays above lockscreen when locking" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1491034 [15:51] confirmed [15:51] all flowers for that one go to CaptainHeavy btw :) [15:51] heh [15:51] (i wouldnt have tested that without him asking about ssh above ) [15:54] ogra_: sorry! [15:54] CaptainHeavy, no, no, thank you !! [15:55] popey, so the ufw is the iptables based firewall, right? but this is only port and nat filtering, right? [15:55] ogra_: well, I'm glad I inadvertently uncovered a bug but not for the work that's involved fixing it! [15:55] ogra_: I'm giving poor DanChapman some issues on the #dekko channel too... [15:57] heh, excellent [15:57] studio: ufw is a tool for managing the firewall. You can find out lots about iptables and ufw online. [15:57] I was meant to be working on some research today actually... [15:57] CaptainHeavy, awesome :) [15:57] finding bugs on ubuntu phones is also "some research" though ;) [15:57] but what about incoming traffic like an portscan? how to detect that? [15:57] CaptainHeavy: we welcome people poking at the phone and letting us know about bugs :) [15:58] studio: no idea. Not a network expert [15:58] (and I generally don't care about port scans, when ports are closed) [15:58] Its a lovely bit of kit, I have to admit. Ecstatic that I own one and can help with some part of the development process [15:59] popey, therfore i asked about snort or suricata on an ubuntu touch device ... [15:59] ogra_: haha, I guess so. Luckily my place of work is open to "creative tangents" [15:59] studio: we don't ship them, so we don't support them. [16:00] studio: but you're free to install those kinds of things yourself. [16:02] popey, how do you "personally" prevent you and your system from an outside attack or inside trojan? [16:02] studio: none of your business :) [16:02] ... is the correct answer, I think :) [16:03] security do not mean business, or? [16:03] popey, huh ? you mean you wont reveal your defense strategy in a publically logged channel ? [16:03] tsk [16:03] so selfish :P [16:05] Exactly [16:05] studio: no, my point is, you don't tell a robber where you hide your keys. [16:07] popey, my problem is, how is the mobile connection on "ubuntu touch" to the internet controlled and by what? [16:11] studio: the user controls the connection via network manager [16:13] (like on every non-server *buntu) [16:13] popey, the "network-manager" is dump. you also can't remove the network-manager without purging "ubuntu touch" [16:13] studio: that's your choice [16:13] the nm controlls nothing [16:13] it is the high level control of connected / not-connected and wifi connected or cellular connected [16:14] we don't provide detailed controls below that [16:14] it also brings up the interfaces etc ... [16:14] like on desktop ... [16:16] popey, for exp. you made a connection with the nm to a 3g network to uses the internet. what is controlling the internet connection to your device or others, if you are using your device as an access point? [16:16] you are [16:16] if you switch it off, you are controlling it [16:17] "me" ? sorry i am not able to set "root" an password on that device! so i control nothing ... [16:17] that's not what I am saying. [16:18] you asked "what is controlling the internet connection" [16:18] My answer is "you" or "the owner of the phone" [16:18] right [16:18] if the owner chooses to open up ports / enable sharing, *they* are controlling it [16:18] We don't provide more granular controls below that. [16:20] popey, so if i can't protect my own, why should i use a device like that for an "access point" ? [16:21] convenience [16:22] hmm ..., that is not ubuntu-like ... [16:22] sure it is. [16:22] ✓ No ports open by default [16:22] ✓ Easy to use tools [16:23] ✓ Advanced (unsupported) tools for expert users [16:23] That's _exactly_ the Ubuntu-like way [16:23] Just because it doesn't fit _your_ specific use case, doesn't mean it's no good. [16:24] Although it might be "no good" from your persepctive, which is fine, fix it, or pay someone else to fix it. [16:27] ✓ No ports open by default, did you ever made a penetration test when you got a 3g connection, if yes, with what tool? [16:30] studio: not personally, no. [16:30] try it :) [16:32] studio: none open here [16:33]