[06:55] <aleval> hello i lost network applet in the panel
[06:55] <aleval> can somebody help+
[08:33] <artag> I've just accepted a heap of updates to xubuntu 14.04 and now I'm getting a load of errors at startup. Network manager and others doing crash reports
[08:33] <artag> is there some new problem I need to be aware of ?
[08:34] <artag> indicator-sound-service is also constantly restarting
[13:36] <auscompgeek> artag: do an apt dist-upgrade, I guess. if you can, that is.
[14:18] <melodie> hi
[14:18] <melodie> I would need the help from xubuntu experts
[14:18] <melodie> for a very very tiny little detail which makes me wonder
[14:19] <melodie> I am building a spin of Xubuntu for a non profit association who brings reformed computers to Mali. I have a script which is started at each new session which brings launchers (some desktop files) to the Desktop.
[14:20] <melodie> the distro is installed in French. This is important to say, because in the Live, the Desktop has for default name "Desktop" and once installed the desktop has for name "Bureau"
[14:20] <melodie> well in the Live all the icons are there, but not all at the places where they are supposed to be.
[14:20] <melodie> and once installed, the distro has them all at the right place
[14:21] <melodie> I have redone the spin several times with tiny changes in the script, and I get always the same result
[14:21] <bazhang> is there a question in there
[14:21] <melodie> so I would like to find out why. What am I missing?
[14:29] <melodie> oh and I found a bug in Xubuntu 14.04.3, not sure if it might not be in all Ubuntu editions though
[14:29] <melodie> when I want to install virtualbox-guest-x11 and virtualbox-guest-utils I can't because
[14:30] <melodie> "xorg-video-abi15" and "xserver-xorg-core" need to be installed
[14:30] <knome> if you found a bug, then maybe you should file it
[14:30] <melodie> but when I install them, it triggers a hell of a change
[14:30] <melodie> knome I know I know but I like to talk about my findings before filing, to make sure i file something which will actually be considered as such
[14:31] <knome> if the issue is "installing/updating X wants to update other things as well", that's not a bug
[14:31] <melodie> btw is there a devel chan for
[14:31] <knome> for...?
[14:31] <melodie> the issue is it removes all xserver-xorg-something-lts
[14:31] <melodie> and replaces it by the non lts versions
[14:31] <melodie> for xubuntu
[14:32] <knome> can't be #xubuntu-devel
[14:32] <melodie> thank you
[14:37] <melodie> what about the icons on the desktop, any idea what can make them change place from the moment we are in the live, to the moment we aren't in the live anymore?
[14:38] <knome> probably the fact that you are doing that with a script, not by changing the system files that creates/loads the desktop files in the first place
[14:38] <melodie> ie: when we tick "register the session for the next connection", if I save the file where it writes, could it help me get the icons right at the same place in the live? or does it eventuelly depend on the place where the default icons (system, home, trash) are located?
[14:40] <knome> maybe.
[14:40] <melodie> the script copies the desktop files we need from within /usr/share/malinux/Desktop/ and the configuration of xfce4 from the /etc/skel/.config/xfce4|xfce4-session
[14:43] <melodie> the goal of the association is having the user sessions restored after the kids in school have eventuelly messed the desktop. It needs to be restored fresh without knowledge from the teachers (only the launchers and their place, not destroy files they may have saved on the desktop either)
[14:43] <melodie> it's not a big deal if in the live they are not at the right place, as long as in the install it is, but I am curious to what makes it different.
[15:57] <melodie> thanks
[15:57] <melodie> bye
[17:12] <xubuntu541> hello everyone! i have a problem which i am trying to solve for last few days but even after going to forums and searching, entering codes only thing i am able to achieve is reinstallation of my linux distros
[17:13] <xubuntu541> my problem is that i am able to connect with internet but any ubuntu based distro is not able to see my wifi
[17:13] <cfhowlett> xubuntu541, skip the preamble, get to the issue?
[17:13] <cfhowlett> testing internet connection from live session or full installation??
[17:13] <xubuntu541> manjaro sees it and connects with it but right now i am not able to even see wifi connections using xubuntu
[17:14] <xubuntu541> both with live sessions as well as full installations
[17:14] <cfhowlett> xubuntu541, what is your wifi chipset (hopefully broadcom ...)
[17:14] <xubuntu541> i have fully installed xubuntu on acer extensa 7220
[17:15] <xubuntu541> yes, its broadcom, BCM4311 (14e4:4311) (rev 02)
[17:16] <cfhowlett> xubuntu541, confirm that your system > settings > additional drivers picked up the broadcom driver?
[17:16] <xubuntu541> it didn't
[17:17] <cfhowlett> xubuntu541, so you have not got a configured, active wifi?
[17:17] <cfhowlett> very different from "can't connect"
[17:17] <xubuntu541> last time i tried installing them was on linuxmint mate, it asked me to run dkpg config -a and i did
[17:18] <cfhowlett> not - answering - the - question  ...
[17:18] <xubuntu541> after that had to reinstall because couldn't run any commands on terminal
[17:18] <cfhowlett> not - answering - the - question  ...
[17:19] <xubuntu541> sorry, my mistake.  didn't understand the question
[17:19] <cfhowlett> you said "can't connect".  I asked if your wifi is even active.
[17:19] <xubuntu541> i am not able to see the wifi connection. wifi at home is active
[17:20] <cfhowlett> xubuntu541, OK, I suspect you need to configure a couple of things in terminal.  easy to do but .... terminal>
[17:20] <xubuntu541> sure, terminal is open
[17:21] <cfhowlett> ubuntu version #??
[17:21] <xubuntu541> latest, i just download it today and installed
[17:22] <xubuntu541> latest stable release
[17:22] <xubuntu541> xubuntu 14.04
[17:22] <xubuntu541> new to xubuntu as well as linux so takes a little time to find things
[17:22] <cfhowlett> xubuntu541, and you still have the ubuntu installation USB??
[17:23] <xubuntu541> yes
[17:23] <xubuntu541> not, ubuntu but xubuntu
[17:23] <cfhowlett> xubuntu541, lovely.   you'll like this.  plug in the USB and follow this tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#STA_-_No_Internet_access
[17:24] <cfhowlett> of course, instead of "cdrom" you'll have to navigate to the usb, probably dev/media/ ...
[17:24] <xubuntu541> last time i did them and that is what led to system not working properly
[17:25] <cfhowlett> nothing in this command sequence should effect you system wide
[17:26] <xubuntu541> ok, i will reboot in usb and follow the command sequence and if any issues, wil come back
[17:27] <xubuntu541> thanks
[17:27] <cfhowlett> SSTOP!!!
[17:27] <cfhowlett> that is absolutely NOT what the tutorial instructs you to do
[17:28] <cfhowlett> you're using the ubuntu USB/CDROM as a source for the .debs to enable your installed ubuntu wifi.  if you want to TEST if this works, you can do so by booting the live session from the USB.  navigate to filesystem>device>media...
[17:28] <xubuntu541> sorry
[17:30] <cfhowlett> not to worry, just confirming we're communicating clearly.  I've booted from USB and enabled wifi when I'm out and about testing computers at the store.  do-able and good test process.  takes about 90 seconds
[17:30] <xubuntu541> need to how to navigate to filesystem
[17:30] <xubuntu541> new to linux and commandline
[17:31] <cfhowlett> xubuntu541, easiest way?  go to the usb in filemanager and drag/drop the target address into the terminal
[17:33] <xubuntu541> navigated
[17:35] <xubuntu541> should i use these commands? sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source
[17:35] <cfhowlett> there are 4 steps in that tutorial ...
[17:36] <xubuntu541> i know the chip id and pci-id and kernel driver in use
[17:36] <xubuntu541> but beyond that it becomes confusing for me.
[17:37] <xubuntu541> i installed bcmwl-kernel-source last time and it made using terminal impossible
[17:37] <cfhowlett> so you just skipped right over the 3 things you were supposed to install first?
[17:38] <cfhowlett> for that matter: WHERE on the tutorial do you see " sudo apt-get"....
[17:38] <cfhowlett> I think you're looking at the wrong item
[17:38] <cfhowlett> THIS >>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#STA_-_No_Internet_access
[17:39] <xubuntu541> step 1 run 'lspci -vvnn | grep -A 9 Network '
[17:39] <xubuntu541> step 2 'usb-devices '????
[17:40] <cfhowlett> OK, I'm about to give up on you.  I've given you the EXACT link several times and you're off reading something else.  sorry, can't help
[17:40] <xubuntu541> i am supposed to follow STA - No Internet access?
[17:41] <cfhowlett> for the 3rd time ... YES.  note: NOWHERE does it tell you lspci anything or apt-get intall anything.  whatever you are doing is NOT what I suggested
[17:42] <xubuntu541> sorry, i was starting from start of page as it seemed the most logical thing to do when you don't know anything.
[17:42] <xubuntu541> ok performing them now
[17:48] <xubuntu541> there is no '/pool/main/p/patch ' in my usb option
[17:49] <cfhowlett> xubuntu541, skip it.  old tutorials and certain capabilities were rolled into subsequent kernels
[17:49] <xubuntu541> ok
[17:56] <xubuntu541> ran all the commands terminal shows 'DKMS: install completed' but cursor is not back yet for a long time
[17:56] <cfhowlett> chillax.  takes time to build things
[17:59] <cfhowlett> but not that long ...
[18:00] <xubuntu541> it still doesn't show anything
[18:01] <cfhowlett> ctrl -x and retry the dpgk -i command.  verify you got it exactly right
[18:06] <xubuntu541> checked, i wrote commands perfectally. i tried ctrl -x but no cursor opens came. should i try it in new terminal
[18:07] <cfhowlett> xubuntu541, open a new tab and do ps -x | grep dpkg          see if that command shows anything useful
[18:07] <xubuntu541> it shows me to be in .../b/bcmwl$
[18:08] <cfhowlett> ???   OK
[18:08] <xubuntu541>  9358 pts/4    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto dpkg
[18:09] <cfhowlett> kill -9 9358
[18:09] <cfhowlett> that WILL kill that dpkg command.  so you are now free to try again
[18:09] <xubuntu541> bash: kill: (9358) - No such process
[18:09] <cfhowlett> coo.
[18:10] <cfhowlett> sudo dpkg -i bcmwl-kernel-source* | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:10] <cfhowlett> THAT will return a url of the command.  paste the url here
[18:11] <xubuntu541> dpkg: error: dpkg status database is locked by another process Use netcat.
[18:12] <cfhowlett> then you didn't kill the previous dpkg
[18:12] <cfhowlett> ps -x | grep dpkg
[18:13] <xubuntu541> 9388 pts/4    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto dpkg
[18:13] <xubuntu541> ~$ kill -9 9388 bash: kill: (9388) - No such process
[18:13] <cfhowlett> close all terminals.
[18:14] <cfhowlett> reopen and do that command
[18:14] <xubuntu541> already closed and restarted the terminal
[18:14] <cfhowlett> sudo dpkg -i bcmwl-kernel-source*
[18:14] <xubuntu541> and then i am running these commands
[18:14] <cfhowlett> command(s)?  you only need to run the FINAL command now, right?
[18:14] <cfhowlett> step 4.
[18:16] <xubuntu541> step 4 is 'sudo dpkg -i bcmwl-kernel-source*'. i ran it and after that it said dpkg installed. beyond that nothing happens. i don't get terminal back
[18:16] <xubuntu541> dpkg: error: dpkg status database is locked by another process
[18:17] <cfhowlett> you ARE running on a single command at a time, right?
[18:17] <xubuntu541> i am getting this error now for running 'sudo dpkg -i bcmwl-kernel-source*'
[18:17] <xubuntu541> sure i am running one command at a time.
[18:19] <Comstock> do you have any other terms open, running any other tasks?
[18:20] <cfhowlett> xubuntu541, ^^
[18:20] <xubuntu541> i can't kill this process and can't run any process which requires administrative privilages. i am pretty sure my pc will not shutdown as well(same thing which made me install xubuntu instead of linux mint mate)
[18:20] <xubuntu541> no nothing is running
[18:20] <Comstock> you just said you have a process you can't kill
[18:20] <cfhowlett> xubuntu541, reboot.  come back and attempt the bcmwl-kernel-source* dpkg again
[18:21] <Comstock> ^
[18:21] <xubuntu541> ok
[18:21] <xubuntu541> rebooting now
[18:21] <Comstock> the old, turn it off and back on again fix
[18:22] <cfhowlett> I'm more concerned by the phantom proces
[18:22] <Comstock> true, i've never had one myself, threw me for a loop
[18:22] <cfhowlett> Comstock, I fear he may have been running as root
[18:23] <Comstock> ouch
[18:30] <xubuntu337> hello everyone once again! i rebooted using 'sudo shutdown -rf +0' it started to shutdown but didn't shutdown, so had to shut it down manually
[18:30] <cfhowlett> xubuntu337, let's consider that a separate issue
[18:31] <xubuntu337> ok
[18:31] <xubuntu337> what shall i do? run dpkg command again?
[18:31] <cfhowlett> xubuntu337, yep
[18:33] <cfhowlett> xubuntu337, to be clear, those 4 dpkg -i must be run in the listed sequence
[18:33] <xubuntu337> yes, no. 2 option doesn't exist so skipped it
[18:33] <cfhowlett> right
[18:36] <xubuntu337> reached DKMS: install completed stage. same as before till now
[18:37] <cfhowlett> xubuntu337, give it a couple more minutes.  MAYBE you just have a really slow system.  say ... 2 minutes?
[18:39] <xubuntu337> still waiting
[18:40] <cfhowlett> is your wifi indicate live now?
[18:40] <xubuntu337> wifi indicator on my system doesn't exist but on router yes. others are using wifi right now
[18:41] <cfhowlett> click on the network indicator, select enable networking, enable wifi
[18:42] <xubuntu337> enable networking already selected. no option to enable wifi
[18:44] <cfhowlett> no option or greyed out??
[18:45] <xubuntu337> none
[18:46] <cfhowlett> THAT is not normal.  Don't know what else to tell you.   sorry.
[18:46] <xubuntu337> just doesn't see wifi at all. on manjaro it not only saw wifi but also got connected with it. Also, tried to set it manually as per settings in manjaro but other than saving wifi connection can't do anything with it
[18:46] <xubuntu337> ok, anyways thanks for trying.
[18:47] <xubuntu337> maybe i install manjaro instead since can't fix shutting down problem or any other sudo command
[19:27] <xubuntu43w> Hi, I am installing Xubuntu in an old computer. Do I have to partion the hard disk for root, swap and home or let Xubuntu do regular installation?
[20:33] <aakko> hello
[20:34] <aakko> "show generic application names" setting of whisker menu doesn't work in 15.04
[20:34] <aakko> is there a way to get it working?
[20:38] <knome> aakko, works for me
[20:40] <aakko> nvm. got it working