[00:58] <OvenWerks> zequence: looking at http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Applications it appears Carla is not one of the Cadence tools.
[01:06] <OvenWerks> zequence: I think I would argue for it being packaged separately anyway, because it can, because it does not rely on any of the rest of Cadance and because it is useful on it's own.
[01:14] <OvenWerks> I think Catia could be packaged on it's own too. I don't know if it is more stable than patchage or not. I like the idea of patchage, but I have personally had trouble with it's stability. It has crashed on me sometimes.
[01:14] <OvenWerks> zequence: is there a debian tool for packaging?
[01:15] <OvenWerks> How would I discover the depends for building for example?
[01:19] <OvenWerks> zequence: with regard to Cadence: In most ways it seems to be much like what we envision a -controls app to be. I think something like that should be either/or. That is we package and use Cadence or we work on -controls. Having both would be confusing and potentially could break things if both were used to make similar tweaks.
[07:49] <zequence> OvenWerks: There are a bunch of helper scripts for packaging, but other than that, I'm not exactly an expert. Usually, the source will tell you what it needs dependency wise. 
[07:50] <zequence> Needs a bit figuring out, since package names in Debian may not be the same as the original source name
[07:50] <zequence> libraries usually begin with "lib"
[07:50] <zequence> devscripts is a bunch of helper scripts
[07:52] <zequence> In order to test a build you can use pbuilder
[07:53] <zequence> That should confirm whether or not dependencies are correct
[07:54] <zequence> An alternative to pbuilder is cowbuilder
[07:57] <zequence> debian/rules is a special make file, and it is possible to add a bunch of special configs there for the build. 
[07:57] <zequence> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html#rules
[08:04] <zequence> I think Ross had good advice on packaging, and that was to do it for Debian and get help from Debian Mentors. They have a mail list there.
[08:04] <zequence> http://mentors.debian.net/
[08:08] <zequence> I'm kind of stuck at writing my apt search tool, which I could have already finished for our purposes, but I was trying to figure out how to make it more generic.
[08:09] <zequence> It searches from all supported Debian and Ubuntu repositories, by first downloading the content files (files, packages and source) from all repos
[08:10] <zequence> Takes a while, just to download the files, and seemingly, Ubuntu does not have the same exact setup as Debian, though the difference is small.
[09:00] <DalekSec> Or sbuild.  See also: dh-make
[12:43] <OvenWerks> zequence: I have used pbuilder before, I'll try that, put in what deps I think try and add from there.
[23:19] <Len1510> Went to my W partition... and am now doing another upgrade... -controls is one of the upgrading things.
[23:20] <Len1510> But it will be at least an hour I think.
[23:30] <Len1510> Ack! someone has added the category "System" to our Documentation desktop files. (I hope it wasn't me  ;)
[23:32] <Len1510> http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apas02.html shows Documentation as not being a sub category. I think I will go back and remove the System.
[23:34] <Len1510> I will make a bug first
[23:50] <Len1510> Bug #1491661 
[23:52] <Len1510> I am guessing linian would make a fuss over using Documentation with no main category. I would suggest Education is better than system, but in either case the *.menu file may need to be fixed.
[23:53] <Len1510> s/linian/lintian