[00:44] <nessita> hello, anyone around? I just booted my vivid installation after a shutdown (was running all day without issues), and now the X session crahses
[00:45] <nessita> I get the lightdm screen, I login fine, but when my desktop is being loaded, the screen goes black for a moment, and then the wallpaper appears, but no indicator bar or not launcher
[00:46] <sarnold> nessita: I think I heard that happened to someone else today too; iirc the solution was to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[00:47] <nessita> sarnold, interesting, trying that (note that I did not dist-upgrade the system today until just now, to see if the issue was magically fixed was an update)
[00:47] <sarnold> ah, then this may not be as helpful :(
[00:47] <nessita> well, but the package is not installed
[00:48] <nessita> oops, is bringing too much packages I don't want! :-)
[00:48] <nessita> installing the same
[00:48] <sarnold> it drags in a a lot of dependencies, you might have ... exactly :)
[00:48] <sarnold> you might have uninstalled it earlier to get rid of some of them
[00:49] <nessita> sarnold, yes, correct
[00:49] <nessita> but perhaps something new is depending on it being installed (perhaps incorrectly assumption)
[00:49] <nessita> installing with --no-install-recommends
[00:50] <nessita> restarted lightdm and no luck
[00:51] <nessita> xsession-errors says "upstart: upstart-event-bridge main process (3521) terminated with status 1
[00:51] <nessita> many of those, with different pid numbers
[00:51] <nessita> and then:
[00:52] <nessita> upstart: at-spi2-registryd main process ended, respawning
[00:52] <nessita> and last:
[00:52] <nessita> upstart: at-spi2-registryd respawning too fast, stopped
[00:53] <sarnold> anything in dmesg or /var/log/syslog?
[00:55] <nessita> nothing that stands out, I would like to paste the tail of it but unsure how to do that from the text terminal :-)
[00:55] <nessita> I think I did not use the text terminal since years ago
[00:55] <nessita> may scp it to chinstrap
[00:56] <sarnold> nessita: pastebinit helps immensely, it pastes to paste.ubuntu.com by default but other pastebins are available easily enough
[00:57] <nessita> installing
[00:58] <nessita> sarnold, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12269210/
[00:59] <nessita> those should be like 3 reboots from just now
[01:00] <nessita> nothing on /var/crash
[01:00] <nessita> nothing odd in dmesg
[01:01] <nessita> the contents of .xsession-errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12269234
[01:05] <sarnold> nessita: how about syslog? anything in there look related?
[01:06] <sarnold> hmm that first one was the syslog, wasn't it.. it had a lot more htan just the kernel stuff. :/
[01:07] <nessita> sarnold, yeah, the first paste is the syslog from the first boot since this is failing
[01:08] <sarnold> nessita: how about xorg logs? the first thing that seems to go wrong is e.g. gnome-session[1872]: python3: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.
[01:08] <nessita> checking
[01:09] <sarnold> the bluetooth endpoints coming and going all the time are almost always located near the other events but that might just be coincidence
[01:09] <nessita> sarnold, also, I may have tweaked default boot to use upstart from when juju was not compatible with systemd
[01:09] <sarnold> it sure looks like it's using systemd now though
[01:10] <nessita> sarnold, and what about the xsession-errors file (second paste) that show errors about upstart?
[01:11] <sarnold> nessita: iirc upstart is still used for user-session things and systemd is used for system services
[01:11] <nessita> no (EE) in Xorg.0.log, but pasted it just in case: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12269327
[01:12] <nessita> currentlt running kernel 3.19.0-26-generic
[01:12] <sarnold> how about a .old file?
[01:13] <nessita> sarnold, no (EE) eaither in .old, pastebin at 12269358
[01:13] <nessita> either*
[01:14] <sarnold> nessita: sorry, i'm out of ideas :(
[01:15] <sarnold> everything except those resource unavailable errors looks normal enough, and those errors don't point out what went wrong
[01:20] <nessita> so I turned off the laptop and then I turned it on again, and disabled bluetooth via BIOS. No luck
[01:20] <nessita> sarnold, I have multiple monitors, any chance that is related? :-/
[01:21] <nessita> definitely not related
[01:21] <nessita> I unplugged the external monitor and restarted lightdm
[01:22] <sarnold> nessita: probably not, I think it's the at-spi2-registryd process that dies that causes everything else to go haywire
[01:22] <nessita> sarnold, so after successful login via lightdm, what I see is my wallpaper, and for a second the wallpaper gets darker (like a shadow appears and disappear)
[01:23] <nessita> and then nothing else work, I can not even start a terminal with keyboard shortcuts
[01:24] <nessita> sarnold, if you have some minutes, would you please google the at-spi2 error for me?
[01:25] <nessita> hum, mouse pointer works, so I can right-click and open a terminal
[01:25] <sarnold> o_O
[01:25] <nessita> and launch firefox from there
[01:25] <sarnold> heh
[01:25] <sarnold> this has a lot of suggestions http://askubuntu.com/questions/223501/ubuntu-gets-stuck-in-a-login-loop
[01:26] <sarnold> easiest would be to delete ~/.Xauthority and restart lightdm.. but if your ~/.Xauthority isn't owned by you, it'd be worth knowing why..
[01:27] <nessita> sarnold, already did that, many times
[01:27] <sarnold> :(
[01:27] <nessita> trying again
[01:28] <sarnold> nessita: how about ls -ld ~ /tmp -- there's some hints that wrong permissions or owners for either of those might cause trouble
[01:29] <nessita> nessita@miro:/tmp$ ls -ld ~ /tmp
[01:29] <nessita> drwxr-xr-x 59 nessita nessita 69632 Sep  3 22:21 /home/nessita
[01:29] <nessita> drwxrwxrwt 13 root    root    65536 Sep  3 22:22 /tmp
[01:29] <sarnold> nice and nice. bugger. :)
[01:30] <nessita> I have 3 systemd-private-something in /tmp with are owned by root
[01:30] <nessita> also: nessita@miro:~$ ls -la .Xauthority
[01:30] <nessita> -rw------- 1 nessita nessita 49 Sep  3 22:21 .Xauthority
[01:30] <nessita> nessita@miro:~$ ls -la .xsession-errors
[01:30] <nessita> -rw------- 1 nessita nessita 2212 Sep  3 22:21 .xsession-errors
[01:31] <nessita> chwoing nessita:nessita my whole home folder, because running out of ideas
[01:32] <sarnold> nessita: two more ideas, both getting to be long shots: first, you might have a corrupted file somewhere; sudo debsums -s -a  ought to help you find out if that's the case; second, you might be able to just uninstall at-spi2; that'd be the at-spi2-core package. that feels pretty blunt though.
[01:34] <nessita> sarnold, before doing that, what about comment #5 in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/at-spi2-core/+bug/1228567
[01:34] <nessita> hum, not necessarily
[01:35] <sarnold> nessita: looks promising; I don't know  how to disable it aside from purging it. i'm sure there's something more elegant there..
[01:37] <nessita> sarnold, as the bug says, the package provides accesibility and nothing else?
[01:37] <nessita> debsums: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12269611/
[01:38] <nessita> some missing files, but no errors afaic
[01:38] <nessita> purgin package
[01:38] <nessita> purging it also wants to remove:
[01:38] <nessita>   at-spi2-core* autopilot-desktop* gnome-orca* libgail-3-0* nautilus* nautilus-sendto* nautilus-share*
[01:38] <nessita>   python3-pyatspi* ubuntu-desktop* ubuntu-sdk*
[01:39] <nessita> is it OK to remove nautilus?
[01:39] <sarnold> probably not
[01:39] <sarnold> I think nautilus provides ubuntu's explorer.exe clone
[01:39] <nessita> right, that is my unerstanding as well
[01:39] <nessita> ok, so I will pause this for a bit, dinner is on the table
[01:40] <sarnold> bon apetite :)
[01:40] <nessita> sarnold, thanlks a lot for your help, will continue debugging later
[01:40] <nessita> o/
[03:39] <hyperair> for some reason, unity just started grouping my nautilus windows under nautilus-file-handler.desktop instead.
[03:39]  * hyperair wonders what's up with that
[03:40] <hyperair> oh nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[05:29] <pitti> Good morning
[05:39] <didrocks> good morning!
[05:54] <pitti> bonojur didrocks
[05:54] <didrocks> bonjour pitti, joyeux vendredi !
[05:55] <pitti> didrocks: pour toi aussi !
[05:55] <didrocks> comment s'est passé ton rendez-vous hier ?
[05:55] <pitti> il encore fait gris et il pluit :(
[05:55] <didrocks> ah :/
[05:56] <pitti> didrocks: ah, c'était bien ! j'ai parlé un peu avec la professeuse, et elle croit que je peux commencer la course B1
[05:56] <pitti> Je commence lundi déjà
[05:56] <didrocks> super !
[05:56] <didrocks> c'est rapide, bon courage ;)
[05:56] <pitti> merci !
[05:57] <thumper> o/ didrocks and pitti
[05:57] <didrocks> hey thumper!
[05:57] <thumper> time for me to head off
[05:57] <pitti> didrocks: oh, est-ce que c'est "la professeur" ?
[05:57] <pitti> hey thumper, good night!
[05:57] <thumper> didrocks: I'm holding out for an all hands again one day
[05:57] <thumper> so we can catch up again
[05:57] <didrocks> pitti: vast debate :)
[05:57] <didrocks> thumper: I do as well, it's been so long!
[05:57] <thumper> ciao
[05:58] <didrocks> pitti: the official in litteracy is "le professeur"
[05:58] <pitti> didrocks: je seulement invente "la professeuse", mais leo.org dit que ce n'est pas existe
[05:58] <didrocks> but it's ok nowdays to say "la"
[05:58] <didrocks> pitti: oui, garde le même mot, dans tous les cas
[05:58] <didrocks> donc "la professeur" si tu utilises "la"
[05:59] <didrocks> (pas logique, je sais ;))
[05:59] <didrocks> par contre: le policier, la policière
[06:00] <pitti> didrocks: coiffeur vs. coiffeuse, ça sonnait similire
[06:00] <didrocks> oui
[06:01] <didrocks> pitti: I think it's only for the jobs that were men-only, and so now, it's accepted to say "la" (even if no correct in a litteracy sense), but the name itself doesn't change because we are not used to it
[06:01] <pitti> d'accord
[06:01] <didrocks> pitti: worse: "le maire", "la maire", but you wouldn't really use the latter
[06:01] <didrocks> you would rather say: "madame le maire"
[06:01] <pitti> didrocks: "la soldat"
[06:02] <pitti> ?
[06:02] <didrocks> pitti: exactly
[06:03] <didrocks> pitti: not related, but I think that since I upgraded to 225-1ubuntu1, systemd-logind segfaults on "shutdown -h +<time>"
[06:04] <didrocks> happy to provide a stacktrace, but still lost in how to give it to you through apport with whoopsie in the middle
[06:04] <pitti> didrocks: il y a un reportage upstream, une seconde
[06:04] <didrocks> (I can retrace locally otherwise)
[06:04] <didrocks> pitti: ah, parfait ! :)
[06:04] <didrocks> je me disais aussi que je n'étais pas le seul à utiliser ça :p
[06:04] <pitti> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1120
[06:05] <pitti> didrocks: non, c'est très utile pour "servers"
[06:07] <didrocks> commenté :)
[06:47] <larsu> morning!
[06:47]  * larsu just brought desrt to the airport
[06:49] <didrocks> hey larsu! did you let him in good hands, with his little badge in case he gets lost? :)
[06:49] <larsu> badge?
[06:49] <larsu> bonjour :)
[06:50] <didrocks> larsu: "My name is Ryan, I live at…" :)
[06:51] <larsu> didrocks, haha no - I think she'll be fine
[06:51] <larsu> probably in LHR now
[06:57] <pitti> hey larsu, guten MOrgen!
[06:58] <larsu> hi pitti! Ça va?
[06:58] <pitti> larsu: ça va bien, et toi ?
[06:58] <larsu> pitti, tres bien aussi, merci
[06:58] <larsu> still no internet at my place :(
[06:59] <pitti> larsu: argh -- coffee shop?
[06:59] <pitti> or 3G?
[06:59] <didrocks> or squatting at dholbach's?
[06:59] <didrocks> (the best tea of Berlin!)
[07:02] <pitti> didrocks: vas-tu aller à systemd.conf ?
[07:02] <pitti> didrocks: might be a good time to revive that "dynamic presets & clean up /etc/ and /var" topic
[07:02] <larsu> pitti, at my mom's now since there's still some of my stuff here. This afternoon probably a coffee shop, yes
[07:02] <larsu> let's see :/
[07:02] <larsu> didrocks, heh, indeed
[07:03] <didrocks> pitti: seems the budgets are tight, need to convince Will as well… (also, there is quite a high entrance, fee, isn't it?)
[07:03] <larsu> we worked at his office on Wednesday
[07:03] <larsu> didrocks, I asked for boston summit and it looks like it's not happening because budget
[07:03] <pitti> didrocks: I think speakers are free; but I suppose you won't give a talk
[07:03] <pitti> didrocks: 120 EUR for community I think
[07:04] <larsu> I told poettering that I find this ridiculous btw
[07:04] <didrocks> pitti: I wonder if I would be categorized as "community"
[07:04] <larsu> it's way too high for community
[07:04] <larsu> "yeah but you get lunch!"
[07:04] <larsu> *facepalm*
[07:05] <didrocks> larsu: the summit happens, right?
[07:05] <didrocks> larsu: just not you going there?
[07:06] <larsu> didrocks, ya
[07:06] <larsu> which is a bit of a shame, since I also missed guadec this year
[07:06] <didrocks> pitti: I'm afraid the same will happen, I will still try, but let's see
[07:06] <larsu> maybe it falls conveniently with the desktop team sprint
[07:06]  * larsu has hopes
[08:02] <Laney> yo
[08:02] <Laney> I thought it was Wednesday all day yesterday
[08:02] <Laney> so now I am excited
[08:03] <didrocks> good morning Laney, and yeah, happy Friday :)
[08:04] <Laney> #fourdayweek
[08:04] <didrocks> ahah
[08:12] <larsu> hi Laney!
[08:13]  * larsu notices this test is still failing :/
[08:14] <Laney> hi larsu
[08:14] <Laney> what's up?
[08:15] <larsu> testing!
[08:15] <larsu> and hacking on cities stuff
[08:15] <larsu> you?
[08:18] <Laney> gearing up to work on gstreamer
[08:19] <larsu> \o/
[08:34] <Laney> larsu: you just missed the super in state-fixture.h
[08:35] <larsu> Laney, thanks! I haven't taken a look yet but I'll put it in right away
[08:35] <Laney> I could reproduce this by using a chroot
[08:35] <larsu> :)
[08:42] <larsu> willcooke, internet! Morning :)
[08:45] <didrocks> hey willcooke_haz_internet :p
[08:49] <Laney> I feel I missed something
[08:50] <larsu> Laney, willcooke sent us an email that he has problems with his internet (because didrocks and I have 1:1s with him)
[08:50] <Laney> oh!
[08:51] <Laney> I blame BT even if it's not them
[08:51] <larsu> haha
[08:52] <didrocks> Laney: you never know, there might have been a BT cable in between, somewhere… in THE Internet
[08:57] <willcooke> yay
[08:57] <willcooke> morning all, sorry about that
[08:57] <larsu> whoo
[08:57] <larsu> hi willcooke
[08:57] <willcooke> hey larsu, sorry for missing our 1:1
[08:57] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: congrats again!
[08:57] <larsu> no worries
[08:57] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, thanks!
[08:57] <larsu> willcooke, congrats! ;)
[08:58] <didrocks> \o/
[08:58] <willcooke> I was expecting more of a grilling, but it was nice and sociable
[08:58] <willcooke> thanks didrocks for the testimonial
[08:59] <Laney> HAHA
[08:59] <Laney> I just saw doko's question during the meeting
[08:59] <Laney> that guy
[09:00] <Sweet5hark> pitti: valid question wrt libreoffice reverse deps. the answer so far is even more depressing: nlpsolver and oolite are both ftbfs, but both of those do not seem to be ftbfs because of libreoffice ...
[09:00] <didrocks> willcooke: yw!
[09:00]  * didrocks sees doko question
[09:00] <didrocks> excellent ;)
[09:01] <willcooke> didrocks, yeah I have this to read this morning: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlusOneMaintenanceTeam
[09:01] <Laney> you don't have to listen to his hints : P
[09:01] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[09:03] <willcooke> Laney, as in, we already do it?
[09:03] <didrocks> Laney is mostly doing it, fixing tests failing in proposed and such
[09:04] <didrocks> we had official shift in the past (seb and I did a full month some years ago IIRC)
[09:04] <didrocks> but I think it's like the rest of teams, (MIR, archive admins, …) it's more "on the go"
[09:04] <Laney> I don't know what the status of the programme is
[09:04] <Laney> He is trying to hint that he doesn't think that people do enough archive maintenance
[09:05] <Laney> (I think)
[09:07] <Laney> If that's true then there is probably a discussion to be had about either reviving the +1-maint team or more regular staffing of the teams (like "archive piloting" or something)
[09:10] <didrocks> I think all the piloting/+1/archive admin/release team/tech board/MIR need to be counted under the same umbrella as this as "ubuntu developer contribution time"
[09:11] <Laney> you want me to spend only 4 hours per month on release team?
[09:11] <Laney> good luck :)
[09:11] <didrocks> Laney: I guess then, the time can be increased
[09:12] <didrocks> but we'll get everyone doing some parts of the work
[09:12] <Laney> are you saying "people should do the work"?
[09:13] <Laney> if so... yes
[09:14] <didrocks> I guess that would be a way to revive all those projects
[09:17] <willcooke> Change of topic:  wallpaper.  Design are on the case
[09:20] <didrocks> new wallpaper this cycle then? \o/
[09:28]  * larsu believes it when he sees it :P
[09:30]  * didrocks opens the gimp then
[09:30] <Laney> open previous wallpaper
[09:30] <Laney> apply some random filters
[09:30] <Laney> save
[09:30] <Laney> ???
[09:30] <larsu> I'm looking forward to seeing that
[09:30] <Laney> profit!
[09:31] <didrocks> larsu: don't challenge me :p
[09:31]  * larsu challenges didrocks
[09:31]  * Sweet5hark is looking forward to a really really cheesy werewolf on the wallpaper ...
[09:31] <larsu> http://media-curse.cursecdn.com/attachments/67/76/f5fd4e435d98b5adbc0008602ad99ce0.jpg
[09:31] <larsu> s/moon/ubuntu logo/
[09:31] <larsu> done.
[09:31]  * didrocks locate warty
[09:31]  * didrocks opens gimp
[09:37] <didrocks> http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/tmp/warty-final-ubuntu.png
[09:37] <willcooke> harsh
[09:37] <Laney> look at that banding
[09:37] <Laney> xnox would have you
[09:37] <willcooke> :D
[09:37] <xnox> yo
[09:37] <didrocks> then, I can give a rationale like "I *slightely* enhanced the saturation and color levels, while still rotating it 180° and compressed at the maximum level for Laney to be happy ;)
[09:37] <Laney> hey xnox!
[09:38] <didrocks> hey xnox ;)
[09:38] <Laney> happy being older
[09:38] <xnox> didrocks: do i need to file an RC bug again?
[09:38] <larsu> didrocks, beautiful!
[09:38] <xnox> didrocks: that's overcompressed again, and loks crap on my highdpi screen.
[09:38] <larsu> banding is the new lens flare
[09:38] <larsu> hi xnox!
[09:38] <didrocks> xnox: that was mostly the goal :)
[09:38] <didrocks> but listen, space saved! :)
[09:39] <xnox> didrocks: is that uploaded already? or is there an ubuntu-wallpaper bug open already?
[09:39]  * xnox is totally willing to drive to bluefin building and walk in.
[09:39] <didrocks> xnox: ahah, time to send that story to OMGUbuntu :)
[09:39] <Laney> haha
[09:39] <Laney> xnox: I feel bad now - he was trolling
[09:40] <xnox> mpt: didn't we have a wallpaper checklist?! seems like new one is borked again.
[09:40] <didrocks> and then "ex canonical employee attacked the bluefin office"
[09:40] <Laney> trolling the design team!
[09:40] <Laney> horror!
[09:40] <mpt> xnox, borked in what way?
[09:40] <xnox> mpt: didrocks either serious or trolling my OCD with http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/tmp/warty-final-ubuntu.png
[09:40]  * mpt reads up
[09:41] <didrocks> xnox: trolling, that's canonical way to make Intel guys losing their time ;)
[09:41] <Laney> oh god, this has gone too far
[09:41] <didrocks> Laney: yep, why did you hilight xnox without context? :p
[09:41] <xnox> didrocks: that center fold is like 4 pixels off....
[09:41] <didrocks> I guess xnox is trolling us now in return
[09:41] <mpt> xnox, that’s the problem? The center fold?
[09:42] <xnox> mpt: oh, i think didrocks drew that by hand to make a new wallpaper.
[09:42] <xnox> in like 5 minutes time.
[09:42] <xnox> mpt: ignore everything. didrocks was trolling me.
[09:42] <mpt> ok
[09:43] <didrocks> ok, this went way further than what we thought it would, this made my day :)
[09:43] <pitti> merci dieu c'est vendredi :)
[09:44] <Laney> hey pitti
[09:44] <pitti> hey Laney, wie gehts?
[09:47] <Laney> pitti: good thanks - I was convinced yesterday that it was Wednesday all day so it's like I've gained 24 hours
[09:47] <pitti> Laney: isn't that more like you lost a day?
[09:48] <Laney> nah, because now it's the weekend tomorrow!
[09:48] <Laney> and I did actually have the day off on Monday which is probably what confused me
[10:24]  * Laney notices and reviews https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/1485548
[10:24] <Laney> thanks LocutusOfBorg1!
[10:51] <Sweet5hark> a ftbfs a day makes smiles go away.
[10:52] <ogra_> dont you have them only once a week in libreoffice because the build takes so long ?
[10:54] <Sweet5hark> ogra_: no, I have them once a month as othertimes everything else is too broken because of a gcc transition to even care.
[10:54] <ogra_> hahaha
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg1> Laney, I did forget about it, thansk for caring :)
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg1> s/sk/ks
[12:09] <nessita> hello everyone! I need some help. so last night I booted my laptop after turning it off after work, and the desktop is no longer usable.
[12:09] <nessita>  does anyone has had the issue where, after login, the wallpaper appears, the screen goes black for a moment, and then the wallpaper appears again but nothing else appears?
[12:10] <nessita> (no top bar, no indicators, no side bar, no launcher, no response on keyboard shortcuts)
[12:10] <nessita> last night sarn0ld was helping me debugging this, but we could not fix it
[12:12] <nessita> my .xsession-errors.old has many errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12272660/
[12:13] <nessita> hi pitti! sorry to bother directly, but would you know who could help me with the issue above?
[13:10] <pitti> nessita: upstart-event-bridge seems to die everywhere indeed :/
[13:11] <pitti> the others look more serious, tohugh
[13:12] <nessita> pitti, I was able to login with a guest session, but my user keeps getting the same issue
[13:12] <pitti> nessita: do you get a crash report in /var/crash, or anything useful in .cache/upstart/unity7.log perhaps?
[13:13] <nessita> pitti, nothing relevant I think: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12273014/
[13:13] <nessita> is there any way I can uninstall at-spi2-core?
[13:13] <pitti> XIO:  fatal IO error 11 does sound like a crash
[13:13] <nessita> I tried a purge on it but wants to remove nautilus
[13:13] <pitti> nessita: I don't think you cn
[13:13] <pitti> can
[13:14] <nessita> pitti, about the "XIO:  fatal IO error 11", last night I checked the Xorg logs and found nothing, but let me paste them
[13:14] <nessita> /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/12273025/
[13:15] <nessita> /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old http://paste.ubuntu.com/12273027/
[13:15] <pitti> hm, no error indeed
[13:16] <pitti> nessita: well, I don't know how unity7, unity-settings-daemon etc. are plumbed together, but maybe there's some useful log in any of the other ~/.cache/upstart/ logs?
[13:16] <pitti> nessita: you could log out, remove ~/.xsession* ~/.cache/upstart/ from a VT, then try to log back into the desktop session, to at least get some clean logs
[13:18] <nessita> many hits in google suggest some file permission may be busted, but I have: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12273045/
[13:18] <nessita> pitti, doing that
[13:19] <nessita> pitti, shall I also remove .Xauthority?
[13:19] <pitti> nessita: shouldn't be necessary, but you can try
[13:19] <nessita> brb
[13:24] <nessita> pitti, so, I logged out by restarting lightdm (is there a shortcut to logout?), I removed .Xauthority, .xsession-error and .xsession-error.old file, and re-login
[13:24] <nessita> same symptom
[13:24] <nessita> pasting new logs
[13:24] <nessita> .xsession-errors
[13:24] <nessita> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12273075/
[13:25] <nessita> ~/.cache/upstart does not have non gz file
[13:27] <nessita> all logs inside .cache/upstart: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12273090/
[13:27] <nessita> I guess this is relevant?
[13:27] <nessita> upstart-event-bridge: Could not connect to system Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart/local/bridge: Connection refused
[13:28] <pitti> nessita: ah, I thought you cleaned the upstart logs first; so no current logs there at all? hmm
[13:28] <pitti> nessita: when you are at the mostly-broken desktop, can you switch to VT1 and check which processes are actually running?
[13:28] <pitti> (ps ux > /tmp/ps.txt)
[13:28] <nessita> pitti, I did cleaned them, I moved the folder somewhere else
[13:28] <pitti> ah, so perhaps they always get compressed
[13:28] <nessita> but after login, only .gz files there, which I zcat in the paste
[13:29] <pitti> ^ anyone here who knows how we use upstart in the session?
[13:29] <nessita> getting the ps output
[13:30] <nessita> pitti, ps ux: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12273107/
[13:31] <pitti> hm, so compiz is even running
[13:31] <pitti> and apparently most other stuff too
[13:34] <nessita> pitti, right, but I can not start any app by shortcuts, nor I have any bar (side, top)
[13:35] <nessita> if I start a terminal with right click -> Open terminal, I get one with no windows decoration
[13:35] <pitti> maybe there's some unity --reset thingy to reset its configuration?
[13:35] <nessita> ah, interesting
[13:35] <pitti> wow, I can finally say "itz compiz bug!" with some justification!
[13:35] <pitti> gosh, we haven't played that for some time
[13:35] <nessita> pitti, so you understand what is going on?
[13:36] <pitti> nessita: no, not at all
[13:36]  * pitti <- not a pixel guy
[13:36] <pitti> nessita: my only idea is to reset your compiz config, as it apparntly works for guest (and presumably a fresh user too)
[13:37] <nessita> pitti, in my head unity is not the same as compiz, but you seem to imply they are, is resetting unity the same as resetting compiz?
[13:37] <pitti> nessita: if you want to debug this further, you could  bisect the gsettings for org.compiz* and om.canonical.Unity.*
[13:37] <pitti> nessita: I thought unity was some kind of compiz plugin
[13:38] <nessita> ah, right
[13:38] <nessita> pitti, any way I can list all the settings for a prefix such as org.compiz* ?
[13:39] <nessita> nessita@miro:~$ gsettings list-recursively org.compiz
[13:39] <nessita> org.compiz existing-profiles ['Default', 'unity']
[13:39] <nessita> org.compiz current-profile 'unity'
[13:39] <nessita> I guess that is incomplete
[13:39] <pitti> gsettings list-recursively |grep -i compiz
[13:39] <pitti> there's also some org.compiz.blah apparently
[13:39] <pitti> you can try gsettings reset-recursively on each of them until it works?
[13:40] <pitti> and continue with gsettings list-recursively |grep -i unity
[13:40] <nessita> pitti, shall I also run unity --reset as you suggested before?
[13:40] <pitti> nessita: before you start that you might want to back up your ~/.config/dconf/user
[13:40] <pitti> nessita: I'm afraid I don't know this any more than you do
[13:40] <pitti>   --reset               Reset is not supported anymore. Deprecated option
[13:40] <pitti> ah, maybe not then
[13:41] <nessita> gah :-)
[13:41] <nessita> ok, backing up ~/.config/dconf/user
[13:42] <nessita> pitti, what if I just remove the ~/.config/dconf/ folder now that I copied it somewhere else?
[13:42] <pitti> nessita: you'll lose all your settings in other desktop apps
[13:42] <pitti> nessita: you can try whether that makes your desktop start again
[13:42] <Laney> dconf reset /org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/active-plugins <- people often recommend that
[13:42] <nessita> as long as I don't loose firefox settings, I'm great
[13:42] <Laney> try it with s/reset/read/ first
[13:43] <pitti> nessita: but I'd put it back and revert only the compiz/unity bits, unless you really don't care about *all* other desktop/app settings
[13:43] <Laney> ['core', 'composite', 'opengl', 'compiztoolbox', 'mousepoll', 'place', 'grid', 'copytex', 'wall', 'snap', 'session', 'imgpng', 'regex', 'resize', 'vpswitch', 'move', 'commands', 'unitymtgrabhandles', 'animation', 'fade', 'scale', 'expo', 'workarounds', 'ezoom', 'unityshell']
[13:43] <nessita> Laney, you mean running unity --read?
[13:43] <Laney> no
[13:43] <Laney> dconf read
[13:43] <nessita> ah, running
[13:43] <Laney> dconf read /org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/active-plugins
[13:44] <nessita> nessita@miro:~$ dconf read /org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/active-plugins
[13:44] <nessita> ['core', 'ccp', 'move', 'regex', 'mousepoll', 'imgpng', 'snap', 'session', 'compiztoolbox', 'commands', 'resize', 'workarounds']
[13:44] <Laney> I guess that misses some stuff
[13:44] <Laney> reset it!
[13:44] <nessita> apparently. LETS!
[13:44] <nessita> WOW window decoration again!
[13:45] <nessita> but alt+tab is not working; but I think I usually customize that to use the normal (aka traditional) alt+tab
[13:45] <nessita> Laney, amazing, thank you very much. Do you know/understand why my dconf was busted?
[13:46] <Laney> Not really
[13:46] <Laney> Maybe it has a thing where it disables stuff if it crashes one time or something
[13:46] <Laney> you want Trevinho / andyrock / hikiko for better knowledge :/
[13:47] <nessita> Laney, pitti thank you, very much. You saved me lot of time, support was suggestion to reinstall :-( :-(
[13:47] <Laney> haha
[13:47] <pitti> nessita: that wouldn't have helped at all
[13:47] <Laney> maybe you should feed this back to them
[13:47] <pitti> assuming that you keep your home dir
[13:47] <Laney> if you kept your home directory you would have had the same problem
[13:47] <pitti> if it's working for a guest user, it's a problem in $HOME
[13:48] <pitti> "itz compiz bug!"
[13:48] <pitti> gosh, how I missed that
[13:48] <pitti> Laney, didrocks: say it!
[13:48]  * pitti is missing seb128
[13:48] <nessita> pitti, Laney yes, I will feed this to them
[13:49] <pitti> or actually, "itz gtk bug!"
[13:49] <nessita> because they mention this happens "somehow often" in bluefin and they re install or create a new user and migrate content
[13:49] <nessita> do you guys need me to fill a bug report or similar?
[13:50] <nessita> pitti, also, I'm not sue if it the end the error "upstart-event-bridge: Could not connect to system Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart/local/bridge: Connection refused" was relevant or not
[13:50] <Laney> Pretty sure it's known
[13:50] <Laney> maybe we can check with Trevinho when he's back from .zh
[13:51] <Laney> or is it .cn?
[13:51] <Laney> I think the second one
[13:51] <nessita> Laney, can I trust you'll remember or shall I help on this?
[13:51] <pitti> nessita: I think everybody has that
[13:52] <pitti> it should surely be fixed as if nothing else, it causes delays in the desktop startup
[13:53] <nessita> pitti, Laney ack. Please ping me if I can assist in any way, I will restart my work duties now :)
[13:53] <pitti> nessita: happy desktopping! :-)
[13:53] <nessita> thanks!!!
[13:54] <Sweet5hark> pitti: is the feedback on bug 1491964 good enough?
[13:59] <didrocks> pitti: he would rather use "it's a GNOME bug" :p
[14:14] <pitti> Sweet5hark: for "extensions" I mainly meant hte dictionaries and thesauri
[14:14] <pitti> Sweet5hark: as we have tons of packages for those
[14:15] <pitti> Sweet5hark: but seems fine otherwise indeed, thakns for the testing
[14:22] <nessita> pitti, Laney just FYI, I will copy and paste the relevant portion of our chat today for support to document the issue and fix
[14:22] <nessita> unless you have any objections?
[14:22] <Laney> it's all public :)
[14:22] <nessita> well, yeah, but I felt like I need to ask the same :-)
[14:22] <Laney> I think the key issue is that unity goes missing from the active plugins for some reason
[14:23] <Laney> so read -> see unity isn't there -> reset is a good thing to know
[14:23] <nessita> right
[14:23] <Laney> nessita: I think that finding a bug and tagging it 'rls-w-incoming' would be welcomed actually
[14:23] <Laney> if you have time
[14:24] <nessita> of course, on it
[14:24] <Laney> that is how we are going to start tracking unity/compiz bugs to fix
[14:24] <Laney> so if you do that there's a chance someone at least looks at it
[14:24] <nessita> Laney, what project shall I file the bug under?
[14:24] <Laney> unity
[14:24] <Laney> I would guess there is one already
[14:25] <nessita> Laney, maybe this one? (first bug in the bugs page) https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1308800
[14:25] <Laney> like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1166765
[14:26] <nessita> Laney, that last one seems to be linked to nvidia drivers? I have intel
[14:27] <nessita> but the description and latest comment seems relevant
[14:27] <nessita> adding an affects me too in there
[14:28] <Laney> I think there are many things which can break the plugins
[14:28]  * Laney adds the magic tag
[14:29] <Sweet5hark> pitti: thanks for having a look.
[14:29] <nessita> Laney, added a comment with some extra info, thank you, will attach this bug to the support logs
[14:30] <Laney> thanks
[14:31] <larsu> man, I need irssi+screen back
[14:31] <larsu> how do I find out what Laney is thankful about?
[14:31] <Laney> wait for irclogs.ubuntu.com
[14:31] <Laney> like a CHUMP!
[14:31] <Laney> why don't you start an instance in the canonistack for now?
[14:32] <Laney> or I can give you an account on this vps if you wnt
[14:32] <larsu> I actually have an account on desrt's server
[14:32] <larsu> but can't copy my irssi config from the raspi
[14:32]  * larsu should find a machine that has a sd card reader
[14:32] <larsu> Laney, thanks :)
[14:33]  * Laney goes for a super late lunch
[14:33] <larsu> enjoy!
[14:37] <didrocks> enjoy Laney ;)
[15:32] <Laney> I DID!
[17:16] <Laney> happy weekend!
[18:25] <anpok> attente, Laney: gtk on the phones isnt working, right?
[18:26] <anpok> because it doesnt get argb8888 as pixel format from mir?
[18:26] <anpok> or is there a way to make it accept a different format?
[18:30] <attente> anpok: i've only tested it on the desktop
[18:31] <attente> what app are you trying to run?
[18:38] <attente> anpok: yeah.. i can confirm the same error message
[18:38] <attente> but i'm also seeing "Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused"
[18:58] <anpok> -- --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/dialer-app.desktop for example should do the trick..
[18:59] <anpok> i try to run gedit .. and the libinput touch debugger..
[19:05] <attente> are you also seeing the Connection refused error in the logs?
[19:07] <attente> that seems to be because it's trying to load the broadway backend actually
[19:21] <anpok> attente: ok, so the pixel format problem is probably the cause? The rest is just gtk trying different backends..
[19:23] <attente> anpok: yeah it seems to be the case
[19:26] <attente> anpok: what format should we be using?
[19:27] <anpok> i have to check.. what formats could gtk support?
[19:29] <attente> anpok: it might work if we choose any format from what i can tell
[19:38] <attente> anpok: actually no. i guess we could only accept a format listed under the cairo_format_t enum
[20:01] <anpok> attente: ah i see - it is currently hardcoded to CAIRO_FORMAT_ARGB32