[01:00] <diddledan> it got dark
[01:00] <diddledan> I had to turn the lights on
[01:00] <penguin42> a while ago
[01:01] <diddledan> yeah, I only just turned on the lights tho :-p
[01:01] <zmoylan-pi> change your terminal from green text on black to black text on grey to add more light
[01:03]  * zmoylan-pi puts on tonights movie... 'tremors 2'
[06:58] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:05] <shauno> howdy
[07:59] <popey> morning
[08:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls
[09:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Bring Your Manners To Work Day! 😃
[09:29] <diplo> Morning all
[09:31] <shauno> that's quite ironic, since I got a mail this morning asking me to keep emails with global teams pg-13.
[09:32] <directhex_> shauno: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9MWE7DdtIw
[09:38] <popey> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/juiceboxofficial/juicebox-the-smartphone-charging-essential/
[09:38] <popey> *tiny* batteries
[09:38] <popey> claim 1 hour, bet you won't get that
[09:41] <shauno> directhex_: :(
[09:42] <directhex_> why don't people get phones with bigger batteries if they need more battery life on their phones?
[09:42] <directhex_> "here's my ultra slim iphone! and a bulky bag filled with AAs and an adapter!"
[09:42] <directhex_> seriously, it's dumb
[09:43] <shauno> because my need for extended battery life is very situational.  I have a huge usb battery, and pretty much only use it when I'm travelling
[09:43] <shauno> whereas my pants have pockets much more often
[09:45] <shauno> I do love my battery though.  I got a week out of it on a boat running phone+watch
[09:46] <shauno> (which is much heavier usage than it sounds like, because I use the same combo to give me speed & course on my watch)
[09:46] <brobostigon> a pebble?
[09:47] <shauno> nah, I'm all apple'd up, sorry
[09:47]  * brobostigon sighs, and shakes his head in disappointment.
[09:48] <shauno> I was actually curious about the pebble, but couldn't find enough information about people tying it straigth to bluetooth without a phone
[09:48] <diplo> popey: Making me spend money ref kickstart and indiegogo :P
[09:48] <shauno> I mean, like watch to pi without needing the pebble app on a phone between the two
[09:48] <brobostigon> its the only one i can think of that has the battery life you deswcribed form a watch.
[09:48] <popey> pretty sure the pebble is the _only_ one you can use without a phone
[09:48] <shauno> oh, that's what I meant by my usb battery, still charging it every night
[09:49] <brobostigon> libpebble for example.
[09:49] <popey> (other than whacky android ones which don't use wear, but run full android and have a sim card in) (and are terrible)
[09:49] <popey> diplo: which one?
[09:50] <shauno> hm, libpebble I didn't come across.  interesting
[09:51] <diplo> Both :D Witi and the MyCroft :)
[09:51] <diplo> First time I've backed anything
[09:51] <brobostigon> libpebble is a couple of years old now, its does need some updating, but does work, especially when/for fw3.
[09:51] <zleap> mycroft looks great
[09:51] <shauno> I'm still quite interested in the pebble just because it's one order of magnitude cheaper.  so for situations where I'm liable to get wetter than 'showerproof', replacably cheap is a huge factor
[09:51] <diplo> It does, I've wanted to autmomate home stuff for a while
[09:52] <zleap> is it just about voice stuff
[09:52] <zleap> or is the idea you say for example heating on and the heating comes on
[09:52] <diplo> Nah, can integrate it to other devices if that's what you mean
[09:52] <diplo> yeah exaactly
[09:52] <selinuxium> 'lo
[09:52] <diplo> Or play this on spotify etc
[09:53] <zleap> i have built a arduino based temp / humidity sensor project i want to do more with it,  so i am looking at bluetooth but I could also set it so a fan comes on if the temp is > a certain figure
[09:53] <zleap> but also perhaps send the data to a phone / tablet / desktop app via bluetooth
[09:55] <selinuxium> Hi guys, going a bit nuts here (not news I know). Trying to set up passwordless ssh between servers. The trigger jobs are in the root cron. Is this possible?
[09:55] <JamesTait> selinuxium, yes it is.
[09:56] <selinuxium> JamesTait: Don't know what I am doing wrong... I shall continue on then :)
[09:56] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:56] <selinuxium> Hi bigcalm
[09:57] <selinuxium> JamesTait: I was starting to think that as root doesn't have a password that it woudn't except passwordless connection..
[09:57] <diplo> selinuxium: Permissions on the ssh directories is normally my issue at sites with ssh keys
[09:57] <JamesTait> selinuxium, you'll need the public key of the user on the source server in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the destination server. Also, check the file and directory permissions - ssh is very strict.
[09:58] <selinuxium> diplo: cheers I will take a look.
[09:58] <diplo> hah, JamesTait went in much more detail +1 :)
[09:58] <selinuxium> Cheers all  :)
[09:58] <diplo> Normally mentions it in /var/log/secure if it's a permissions error
[09:58] <diplo> Or ssh -vvv
[09:59] <selinuxium> Cheers
[09:59] <JamesTait> Oh this looks interesting: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia/UTC
[10:01] <JamesTait> Adding ubran traffic control data to openstreetmap, which "will be used to test build a prototype application which will eventually be a platform for public display of live traffic flows".
[10:01] <diplo> If it works, would be good that it gets made mandatory for access to all big cities/towns
[10:02] <foobarry> how does google collect traffic flows?
[10:04] <foobarry> https://support.google.com/gmm/answer/2839958?hl=en
[10:04] <foobarry> location data collection
[10:04] <diplo> hah, just did the same thing
[10:09] <diplo> Anyone use OsmAnd instead of Google Maps for travelling?
[10:09] <diplo> Tried it a year or two ago but didn't get on with it
[12:04] <brobostigon> anyone seen a bug before, where apt-cache just randomly runs, and it multiplies untill the system load of so high, the system is unrecoverable.?
[12:08]  * penguin42 hasn't
[12:09]  * popey either
[12:09] <popey> apt-cache? not apt-catcher?
[12:09] <penguin42> brobostigon: Can you capture the command line given to the apt-cache ?
[12:10] <brobostigon> the former, penguin42
[12:11] <brobostigon> penguin42: how?
[12:12] <popey> ps aux ?
[12:13] <brobostigon> ok, next time it runs, i will try and capture that. thank you.
[12:13] <popey> also look at the parent process, see what triggered it
[12:14] <penguin42> just to try and get a clue for why it's being run
[12:14] <brobostigon> i will try, i would like to know as well.
[12:18] <brobostigon> ps showed, apt-cache policy,
[12:19] <penguin42> just on it's own?
[12:19] <brobostigon> and multiples of itself.
[12:19] <penguin42> what was the parent?
[12:19] <brobostigon> how do i find out the parent process?
[12:20] <penguin42> ps -eaf
[12:20] <penguin42> 3rd column
[12:20] <popey> pstree :)
[12:21] <brobostigon> ok, i will look next time it plays up to see.
[12:37] <brobostigon>      |      |-22*[sh---byobu-status---lsb_release---apt-cache]
[12:37] <brobostigon> thats answers the question.
[12:38] <penguin42> oh god
[12:38] <penguin42> does it run byobu-status once per session or once per window?
[12:39] <brobostigon> i do not know.
[12:41] <brobostigon> i have killed byobu, to see what happens.
[12:41] <penguin42> brobostigon: I'm thinking it's something like it updates the status regularly; and if you have 'n' windows open perhaps it runs 'n' at a time
[12:41] <brobostigon> penguin42: exactly, however i have three windows running, and there were definatly more apt-cache processes than that.
[12:41] <brobostigon> had*
[12:42] <popey> I use byobu all day and never see this
[12:42] <popey> how long does the apt-cache run for?
[12:43] <brobostigon> well, sometimes for just a few moments, and sometimes untill the whole system frezzes due to the load of said processes.
[12:43] <popey> debian bug 682958
[12:44] <brobostigon> that sounds about it, yes.
[12:45] <shauno> lol @ screenshot of conky.  I feel better about my own bug reports now :)
[12:45] <brobostigon> :)
[12:46] <penguin42> brobostigon: Which ubuntu are you hitting it on?
[12:46] <shauno> hm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/byobu/+bug/999151 has fix-released in 2013?
[12:46] <brobostigon> that bug shows it as fixed mar 2 years ago, but it still seems to be there.
[12:47] <penguin42> brobostigon: Which version are you on?
[12:49] <brobostigon> Version: 5.87-1
[12:49] <penguin42> brobostigon: But which Ubuntu - precise?
[12:51] <penguin42> hmm no, 5.87 is utopic
[14:21] <daftykins> alrighty, heading to Portsmouth on the boat then Wales :>
[14:21] <daftykins> bike trip here we go
[14:21] <daftykins> ta-ra \o
[14:34] <Laney> |\/| ° ø
[14:51] <penguin42> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-34151204
[19:55] <foobarry> bought something off ebay from china..., tracking number is belgian post "out for delivery" :-|
[19:57] <penguin42> sometime in the next month it'll probably arrive
[19:58] <foobarry> 3rd item i've bought lately, first 2 didn't arrive
[19:59] <penguin42> oh, not had that problem
[20:00] <foobarry> i don't receive anything that doesn't fit in a tiny envelope
[20:00] <foobarry> we'll see about this one