[02:36] <Unit193> Don't think it's related, but https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/09/msg00000.html
[02:37] <Unit193> bluesabre, micahg: In case you didn't already see ↑
[08:43] <Unit193> https://bugs.debian.org/798074
[10:04] <flocculant> not sure why qa articles is a work item - moved it to whiteboard
[10:46] <bluesabre> Unit193: the debian menu discussion makes sense
[10:47] <bluesabre> I'm guessing debian menus existed before the FD.o desktop spec
[10:47] <bluesabre> re Catfish, would debian actually want a development release packaged?
[10:50] <flocculant> hi bluesabre 
[10:50] <Unit193> bluesabre: 1. Eh, not as-is, no.  2. Chances that person knew it was a development release?  May have either seen 2a. New release announcement and not read.  2b. New release on Xfce.  2c. That Ubuntu had newer.
[10:51] <flocculant> and Unit193 :)
[10:51] <Unit193> flocculant: Howdy.
[10:51] <Unit193> bluesabre: If you're using the version numbering of Xfce, update watch file? :D
[10:52] <bluesabre> hey flocculant 
[10:52] <bluesabre> hey Unit193 
[10:52] <bluesabre> aha
[10:52] <bluesabre> so, can update the watch file to only watch for even numbered releases...
[10:53] <Unit193> I thought https://sources.debian.net/src/xfce4-settings/4.12.0-2/debian/watch/ was pretty creative.
[10:53] <bluesabre> ooh
[10:53] <bluesabre> smart
[10:54] <Unit193> Hrm, actually.  That's point releases it's looking at. :D
[10:54] <bluesabre> closed enough
[10:54] <bluesabre> *close
[10:54] <Unit193> Ah, I see how the structure is, nm.
[10:58] <Unit193> (Anywho, that was mearly an idea, not necessarily even a recommendation!)
[10:58] <bluesabre> yeah, I might work with that
[10:59] <bluesabre> looks like the build failures for menulibre/mugshot might be caused by python3-distutils-extra
[10:59] <bluesabre> or gobject-introspection
[10:59] <bluesabre> I'll look at that a bit later
[11:01] <bluesabre> Unit193: thoughts on setting CLUTTER_BACKEND=x11 in our env until I get the bug report sorted with gnome upstream?
[11:01] <Unit193> bluesabre: File in /usr or /etc?
[11:01] <Unit193> Can the user easily override?
[11:02] <Unit193> And I'd presume this affects more than just parole, but that'd be intended due to the same issue.
[11:03] <bluesabre> right, since it affects parole and even mugshot (which is a super basic usecase of clutter) I think it would probably affect other things as well
[11:03] <bluesabre> etc/X11/Xsession.d/56xubuntu-session
[11:04] <bluesabre> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/view/head:/etc/X11/Xsession.d/56xubuntu-session
[11:05] <Unit193> Reminds me, did zequence want those too?
[11:05] <bluesabre> I think so... maybe
[11:05] <Unit193> (Being in x-d-s won't exactly help him much though, soo. :P )
[11:05] <bluesabre> :D
[11:06] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh!  And next release we'll get to sync xfce4-terminal!
[11:06] <bluesabre> woohoo
[11:07] <Unit193> Added your action item for xfdesktop, but not sure we've got enough testing to get that in.  One of us could pop it up though.
[11:09] <bluesabre> we can drop it into -staging and request that folks review it, then get it in later this week
[11:09] <bluesabre> if it's just bugfix, should be pretty fine
[11:10] <flocculant> bluesabre: if you send mail to the m/l - I'll copy it to the testers LP group
[11:11] <bluesabre> alrighty then
[11:11] <bluesabre> suppose that's a good motivation to get that done this morning
[11:11] <flocculant> just make sure to ask what you need people to look at :)
[11:11] <flocculant> I'll copy as soon as I see it
[11:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: Already got xfdesktop4.
[11:12] <bluesabre> Unit193: cool, so you want to go ahead and upload it to -staging?
[11:12] <Unit193> Am now.
[11:13] <bluesabre> you rock
[11:13] <Unit193> Unless I dun goofed.
[11:13] <bluesabre> http://aka.media.jibjab.com/assets/12/88/78/77/17qqt2.png
[11:13] <Unit193> Hah.
[11:25] <bluesabre> it's too bad that eric does not update NEWS in the repo when making a release
[11:26] <bluesabre> or make release announcements
[11:26] <bluesabre> nothing to link to :p
[11:26] <bluesabre> oh wait
[11:27] <bluesabre> and the cert is still dead on xfce
[11:30] <bluesabre> flocculant: sound good or too verbose? http://pad.ubuntu.com/xfdesktop-staging
[11:30] <Unit193> Yes, yes it is...  And, http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?h=xfce-4.12&id=bce031253515aabb8dfd7497b7d9c2a8a36cef8b
[11:30] <bluesabre> ah
[11:31] <bluesabre> he should really update trunk
[11:31] <flocculant> bluesabre: looks ok - though if there's something specific you want people to look at then now's the time 
[11:33] <Unit193> I popped it up into my own Xfce, so I'll get it in wily and vivid too.
[11:35] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks, looks like its published now
[11:35] <bluesabre> sending the mail out
[11:35] <flocculant> bluesabre: that looks better - thanks 
[11:38] <Unit193> ...I suppose someone should re-assign that task, then.
[11:39] <flocculant> bluesabre: and copied as soon as I saw it 
[11:39] <bluesabre> \o/
[11:40] <flocculant> just need to get the socially aware peeps to ping it out :D
[11:43] <bluesabre> Unit193: gave the task to you since the only thing I'm doing with it is uploading a bit later
[11:43] <bluesabre> you did all the heavy lifting ;)
[11:44] <Unit193> Hah, well was easy enough this time.
[11:44] <Unit193> And thanks, of course.
[11:45] <bluesabre> thank you, much faster than if I did it
[11:46] <bluesabre> normal morning routine for me: wake up, eat, watch news/anime, check email, then start working on stuff
[11:46] <bluesabre> I had only finished "eat" when all this started, so we're well ahead of schedule :D
[11:46] <Unit193> Hah. :P
[11:47] <knome> bluesabre, Unit193, flocculant: feel free to check out lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu for some new art for the last slide
[11:48] <knome> "./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu" to run the xubuntu slideshow
[11:51] <bluesabre> knome: I like it
[11:52] <bluesabre> and that color scheme
[11:52] <knome> good good :)
[11:52] <knome> yep
[11:52] <knome> it's directly drawn from the new wallpaper
[11:52] <bluesabre> sweet
[11:52] <knome> for much rejoicing for flocculant 
[11:59] <flocculant> heh
[11:59] <flocculant> back tomorrow probably
[12:00] <knome> hf then :)
[13:15] <jjfrv8> knome, slideshow is nice. One question, though... it looks like there's been a regression to a draft vivid version in line 8 of the Customize slide.
[13:15] <jjfrv8> knome, paste.ubuntu.com/12281910/
[13:16] <jjfrv8> knome, looks like it happened back in revision 690. Don't know if it was intentional or not.
[13:43] <knome> jjfrv8, probably unintentional - i'll get it fixed - thanks :)
[14:05] <knome> jjfrv8, pushed to production, thanks again
[14:05] <knome> (well trunk, not production...)
[14:06] <jjfrv8> cool
[21:03] <ochosi> evening all
[21:05] <knome> hello ochosi 
[21:05] <ochosi> hey
[21:06] <ochosi> thought i'd quickly check up on things
[21:06] <ochosi> currently pulling in the slideshow
[21:06] <knome> :)
[21:07] <ochosi> gee, it's so big
[21:07] <knome> yep
[21:08] <knome> i've heard that before
[21:08] <ochosi> funny leg :)
[21:08] <ochosi> was that bitten off by a vampire or something? :)
[21:08] <ochosi> other than that, gotta love the moon
[21:08] <knome> well i don't know
[21:08] <knome> but you can have the svg source if you want to improve it...
[21:08] <knome> the leg is kind of, ehm
[21:09] <knome> cartoony
[21:09] <ochosi> and the idea of only showing the werewolf leaving instead of howling i like
[21:09] <knome> yeah, i didn't really like showing "werewolf"
[21:09] <ochosi> heh, yeah, maybe that's ok since it's a *were*wolf instead of just a wolf
[21:09] <knome> "killing" and "blood-thirsty" are not the things i want our users to have in their mind when they install xubuntu
[21:09] <ochosi> howling would be ok, but then again, i think this is totally fine
[21:10] <knome> yep
[21:10] <knome> glad to hear you like it
[21:10] <ochosi> even without the werewolf btw, the moon and the colorscheme work really well together
[21:10] <ochosi> but let's keep it as is
[21:10] <ochosi> nice work!
[21:10]  * knome bows
[21:11] <ochosi> btw, have any of you tested numix?
[21:11] <knome> nope
[21:11] <ochosi> i've gotten a reply from satya saying he might merge the SASS branch and do a release with that
[21:11] <knome> sorry..
[21:11] <ochosi> np
[21:11] <knome> aha
[21:11] <ochosi> the SASS branch should work ok with gtk3.16
[21:11] <ochosi> but i haven't ever tried it
[21:12] <ochosi> i guess that'll finally break the sync/synergy between greybird and numix
[21:13] <knome> okay
[21:13] <knome> do you think it would be too much to ask that satya dedicated some time to come here before our releases?
[21:15] <ochosi> i dunno, i think it'd be ok
[21:16] <ochosi> then again, i haven't seen him being very active lately
[21:16] <ochosi> so i'm not sure what to expect for numix's future
[21:16] <knome> mhm
[21:16] <ochosi> but we can evaluate that fater 16.04
[21:16] <knome> sure
[21:16] <ochosi> i presume until then it'll remain maintained
[21:23] <sidi> oooh, ochosi 
[21:23] <sidi> ochosi, tell me, would you like to earn some money? :D (i suspect not since you're a fellow phd student)
[21:27] <knome> sidi, oh please, take the advertising to PMs :)
[21:27] <ochosi> sidi: i'm not a student anymore - started job last week
[21:27] <knome> or if you want to "catch-all", it's fine to send one email to the mailing list
[21:29] <ochosi> but yeah, what knome said :) if you have a proposal, feel free to PM me ;)
[21:29] <knome> ochosi, he wants to backdoor your pc
[21:29] <sidi> ah i'll stop, sorry i sometimes feel like im on shimmer
[21:30] <knome> sidi, that's what the channel name is shown for in clients :P
[21:41] <ochosi> night all!
[21:41] <knome> nighty simon
[22:34] <flocculant> evening all - just looking at slideshow, and ... 
[22:35] <knome> and?
[22:35] <flocculant> Make the desktop your own - wording is odd
[22:35] <knome> we can still change that
[22:35] <flocculant> yep
[22:36] <flocculant> Edit your user menus, whether adding applications, directories, separators to the menu layout or reordering menu items.
[22:36] <flocculant> odd
[22:36] <knome> well...
[22:36] <knome> suggest a replacement :)
[22:37] <flocculant> the .whether adding replacements wording 
[22:37] <flocculant> implies the 'or reordering'
[22:38] <flocculant> but really implies do anything 
[22:38] <flocculant> not sure how to reword that
[22:39] <flocculant> but I do like the werewolf shaking the crap that was vervet of it's foot :D 
[22:40] <flocculant> probably a comma does the job -> Edit your user menus, whether adding applications, directories, separators to the menu layout,or reordering menu items.
[22:44] <flocculant> pushed something